STATS RESET is it right?

[Timewarp]

I tell you people what, I Understand this whole BF2ROE stuff and aggree with it as far as it's a guideline to try and add some more rules to the multiplayer communmity however.

I think that anyone who gets their stats reset because of playing on a server that is not in the eyes of some of you ok, is STUPID. I mean come on people did BF2 say anything about this so called BF2ROE on the package or in the .dat files or in the so called user manuel?

NO so why should someones stats get reset when people are not notified in advance.

Tell you what I havn't gotten my stats reset however many of us have unknowingly entered a server only to find out it was a knife or pistol server and because we waited so long to load we stayed and played a bit. Tell you what if I ever do get my stats reset because of my unwanted knife or pistol episode ........this one would make it to court because thats just plain stupid. If ea wants to stop the crazyness then get rid of the servers all together. Ban the servers, fine the server owners but do not mess with you hard working everyday player who invested good money and normally had no idea of what they were getting themselves into when joining one of those servers.

[Silent_Bob_]

EA doesnt roll DICEs (haha) to determine who gets wiped

[*FMJ*Power]

do they give you a warning when you break the law or do they arrest you? your breaking the law of the bf2 world and something you all need to understand, you dont own your account, ea does, what they say goes.

they are never going to shut down a k&p server, they pay their bills and the server providers protect their customers. since when does it take so long to load that if you realize your in a k&p server you stayed and played because it was such a tedious chore to load a new room? the server rules would say k&p while your loading, plain to see if you read the server rules then you simply hit esc and find a new one, simple as that. sounds like your making some pretty lame exscuses on why it should be ok to statpad or why you should get an ok too. may i suggest not loading into rooms that say k&p right in the server title and take a second to read the server rules while loading, youll learn alot if you just read. that whole "it takes so long to load the room so i just stayed and played" is total bullshiit.

[Dacster]

The players should read the EULA before checking the I agree button. It's EA's game and it's their ROE, all players and server owners are bound by it whether they choose to read it or not.

[Rafterman]

I tell you people what, I Understand this whole BF2ROE stuff and aggree with it as far as it's a guideline to try and add some more rules to the multiplayer communmity however.

I think that anyone who gets their stats reset because of playing on a server that is not in the eyes of some of you ok, is STUPID. I mean come on people did BF2 say anything about this so called BF2ROE on the package or in the .dat files or in the so called user manuel?

NO so why should someones stats get reset when people are not notified in advance.

Tell you what I havn't gotten my stats reset however many of us have unknowingly entered a server only to find out it was a knife or pistol server and because we waited so long to load we stayed and played a bit. Tell you what if I ever do get my stats reset because of my unwanted knife or pistol episode ........this one would make it to court because thats just plain stupid. If ea wants to stop the crazyness then get rid of the servers all together. Ban the servers, fine the server owners but do not mess with you hard working everyday player who invested good money and normally had no idea of what they were getting themselves into when joining one of those servers.


Simple answer - if you want to play on these servers, don't worry about stats.

[Dacster]

EA doesnt roll DICEs (haha)

Nice one :)

[sgtdawg]

I think some one is upset because they got caught is my opinion

[Garabaldi]

By agreeing to the EULA, EA owns your soul.

Get used to it.

[imported_funk3h]

. Do what the **** you like, its a game.

[P_Static_2]

e-police ruin the fun for pubbing.

[*FMJ*Power]

e-police ruin the fun for pubbing.



if statpadding is fun for you, then yes they sure do ruin the game for statpadders and should get off their asses and do it more.

[Verzili]

i think the point the op is stating is,players that are new to the game of bf2(regardless if ea owns the game/rules ect)

the normal player that does not read/visits forums and nows about the roe will most likly play in k&p server with out proir knowledge thats its illigal.

imo it should be written in the latest patches as a readme or something so all online players now this.

reading a similar thread i hear that something is being done to ranked serverver providers that host K&p /high point servers.

but i have no idea what this is.

a buddy of mine who plays alot of differnt online games recently got bf2 (i made him get it :) ) i checked his stats one day and noticed he had alot of pistol kills and knife when i asked him if he had been playing on K&P servers he said yeh "why?" i then explained to him it was illigal and to stay off them.

this is a prime example of alot of new players would not no what roe was let alone k&p is not allowed.

[Talus]

Yes, I feel that EA really SHOULD be doing more to get rid of problem servers....but I'm fine with stats resettings as a way to discourage people from stats padding.

Sure, a few people will get very upset, but it is worth it to set the example.

[Alpha671]

By agreeing to the EULA, EA owns your soul.

Get used to it.

so we're going to hell when we die because we sold our soul to EA by playing this stupid game?!!!!!!!!!!

[vidh]

so we're going to hell when we die because we sold our soul to EA by playing this stupid game?!!!!!!!!!!And by hell you mean the basement of EA? :p

[Garabaldi]

so we're going to hell when we die because we sold our soul to EA by playing this stupid game?!!!!!!!!!!

You didn't know?

Oh boy..

[ScOpE]

actually the terms and conditions are only in the initial installation and not in the patch's as far as i know, so what EA or DICE want isnt forceable by law unless its in those terms and conditions. The only reason we are going through this stats wiping is because of whining pricks who have moaned and moaned until this games completely screwed up. If we want to play on a server thats only k&p fine, who should care, if they dont want that go on a diff server ffs. Same for IO servers, stop whining and get on with the game. I for one will NOT get the next bf game because if BF2 is anything to go by there will be so many pointless rules you wont be able to play the game to have fun without someone saying "your stats are gunna get wiped yadda yadda yadda". its BS.

[Alpha671]

And by hell you mean the basement of EA? :p

I wander how that would be like, so many crappy games (hey at least we get games for the rest of eternity :D ).

[*FMJ*Power]

I wander how that would be like, so many crappy games (hey at least we get games for the rest of eternity :D ).



youll be stuck playing skate or die FOREVER!!!!!

[Canuck]

I always wondered how it effects the majority of players who do not frequent the forums and don't know if they are in a Pistols only server that it could result in having their stats reset if somebody complains about them.

Just another lost customer I suppose.

[vidh]

I wander how that would be like, so many crappy games (hey at least we get games for the rest of eternity :D ).lol, yea they keep slaves down there that produces games or perhaps they're just beta testers ;)

[Alpha671]

They'll probably whip us to make the games as crappy as possible. :D

[JoeG]

"actually the terms and conditions are only in the initial installation and not in the patch's as far as i know..."

Im pretty sure that I read somewhere in the EULA that online gameplay can change in ANY way without prior notification.

[P_Static_2]

if statpadding is fun for you, then yes they sure do ruin the game for statpadders and should get off their asses and do it more.

I should come to your server and own. lmao =D

[*FMJ*Power]

I should come to your server and own. lmao =D


yes, yes you are holyier than thou..all bow to the mightly statpadder.... id be surpsied if you could hit the broad side of a barn.

[Timewarp]

i think the point the op is stating is,players that are new to the game of bf2(regardless if ea owns the game/rules ect)

the normal player that does not read/visits forums and nows about the roe will most likly play in k&p server with out proir knowledge thats its illigal.

imo it should be written in the latest patches as a readme or something so all online players now this.

reading a similar thread i hear that something is being done to ranked serverver providers that host K&p /high point servers.

but i have no idea what this is.

a buddy of mine who plays alot of differnt online games recently got bf2 (i made him get it :) ) i checked his stats one day and noticed he had alot of pistol kills and knife when i asked him if he had been playing on K&P servers he said yeh "why?" i then explained to him it was illigal and to stay off them.

this is a prime example of alot of new players would not no what roe was let alone k&p is not allowed.


You hit the nail on the head it dosn't bother me so much if people are aware up front that the BF2ROE has to be followed or ELS ....however if they are new or are part time players they may not know of this information.That is what is destrubing.

Hell I didn't even look up forums until I already had 15,000 + points or so. I was one of those that also didn't know...... thank goodness I did read and get updated or I too may have been reset like many others for venturing in a server that seemed interesting and fun

[P_Static_2]

yes, yes you are holyier than thou..all bow to the mightly statpadder.... id be surpsied if you could hit the broad side of a barn.


False accusation? Please...the only thing I am guilty of is dolphin diving.

[Orphious2006]

I tell you people what, I Understand this whole BF2ROE stuff and aggree with it as far as it's a guideline to try and add some more rules to the multiplayer communmity however.

I think that anyone who gets their stats reset because of playing on a server that is not in the eyes of some of you ok, is STUPID. I mean come on people did BF2 say anything about this so called BF2ROE on the package or in the .dat files or in the so called user manuel?

NO so why should someones stats get reset when people are not notified in advance.

Tell you what I havn't gotten my stats reset however many of us have unknowingly entered a server only to find out it was a knife or pistol server and because we waited so long to load we stayed and played a bit. Tell you what if I ever do get my stats reset because of my unwanted knife or pistol episode ........this one would make it to court because thats just plain stupid. If ea wants to stop the crazyness then get rid of the servers all together. Ban the servers, fine the server owners but do not mess with you hard working everyday player who invested good money and normally had no idea of what they were getting themselves into when joining one of those servers.


Copy and paste much? You said the exact same thing in another thread!!! Dumb poll...if you dont like the rules than dont play.....or if you want to be play in k&p servers go ahead but dont cry when you get reset.

[Timewarp]

I think some one is upset because they got caught is my opinion


Nope, I just can't believe that an BF2ROE is out there and it's not advertised with the game.

I mean come on can you imagine a US ARMY rules of engament that the soldiers are suppose to follow but are not aware of???????


What kind of army would that be? Could the ARMY hold the soldier liable if they were not given an ROE or at lest briefed ect. ????

I THINK NOT!!:)

Copy and paste much? You said the exact same thing in another thread!!! Dumb poll...if you dont like the rules than dont play.....or if you want to be play in k&p servers go ahead but dont cry when you get reset.


Only when I think it needs it's own thread. Read the thread loud mouth no one said anything about not liking the rules. It's about making the people aware of them. K&P who said anything about that? get a life real disscussion is wanted here.......:hmm:

[The_Misfit]

cry much?

I wonder if that K&P server was UNRANKED, would you morons still frequent them? Hell, I'll put one up for you to play on, lets see how full it stays...

[sgtsam150892]

What they should do is like what ever kit u play and abuse it they should have the rewards take for that kit or weapon and have there points wiped till before they abused the kit.

[Timewarp]

What they should do is like what ever kit u play and abuse it they should have the rewards take for that kit or weapon and have there points wiped till before they abused the kit.


could be an idea .......................:) but they need to make sure all there customers know about the rules... FIRST

[David Champion]

Play on unranked servers, pretty simple

[IndianScout]

from the TOS when you install the game...

it does pay to read it, and visit the EA Battlefield 2 website, lots of good information there..



YOU FURTHER AGREE THAT THESE RULES WILL APPLY TO ANYONE THAT YOU ALLOW TO USE YOUR SERVICE ACCOUNT OR USER ID, AND THAT YOU ARE PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSEQUENCES (INCLUDING TERMINATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT) THAT MAY RESULT IF ANY SUCH PERSON BREAKS THESE RULES.

IN ORDER TO HELP MAKE THE SERVICE A GOOD EXPERIENCE FOR EVERYONE, EA MAY OCCASIONALLY FIND IT NECESSARY TO MAKE CHANGES TO, OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF, THE SERVICE IN ORDER TO BRING IT BACK INTO BALANCE. THESE CHANGES OR RESETS MAY AFFECT CHARACTERS OR TEAMS UNDER YOUR CONTROL AND MAY CAUSE YOU SETBACKS WITHIN THE GAME WORLD.

THESE RULES MAY BE CHANGED, AND NEW RULES MAY BE ADDED, AT ANY TIME. YOU AGREE TO CHECK THE SERVICE WEB SITE FROM TIME TO TIME TO REVIEW ANY RULE CHANGES THAT ELECTRONIC ARTS MAY HAVE MADE
.



http://www.ea.com/official/battlefield/battlefield2/us/editorial.jsp?src=serverpolicies


Beyond the server configuration settings there are many in-game policies for ranked servers. We refer to these as the Rules of Engagement,

[Timewarp]

Play on unranked servers, pretty simple


? read the thread .......:( what are you talking about?????

from the TOS when you install the game...

it does pay to read it, and visit the EA Battlefield 2 website, lots of good information there..


.



http://www.ea.com/official/battlefield/battlefield2/us/editorial.jsp?src=serverpolicies


Thanks for the info Indianscout however I'm sticking to my guns on this one. There are too many people that do not know about these rules of engagment to just put it off to the legal mumbo jumbo that is contained in all that fine print. It is there and I understand the information it contains..

However looking at it from a customer standpoint EA could easaly put on the cover of the game read BF2ROE before play or something to that effect.

Thank you for the informaiton never the less it was a good read!!:)

[BioDiaperX]

I think he's partially right. EA and DICE did a terrible job of telling people which servers they can and cannot go on. I think if somebody if found to be on a KP/High Points server, they should receive an annoying pop up similar the the crap we get everytime we log on. If they persist, stats wiped. I mean sure they put that you can't play on these servers in the RoE, but a lot of people don't read that. Also, why are KP/HP servers allowed to exist? They aren't taked down, nor are the admins punished, but they players are? Double you tee eff?

[IndianScout]

there is a new webpage with all of this information in the works at EA. That should be up really soon..

[sonny]

The players should read the EULA before checking the I agree button. It's EA's game and it's their ROE, all players and server owners are bound by it whether they choose to read it or not.

can you tell me where in the EULA does it says something about the ROE?

This is my opinion.

what is more important for a publisher is to sell. if they dont sale their company goes poo.
if they put the restriction in the game manual or the box many peopke wouldnt buy it. at the other hand they want to keep the comunity happy so they do it by reseting stats. when they first wrote the game and decited to have global stats they never thought that people would take advantage of their systems.(stats padders). so for me the best solution is to shut down stats and all the problems will go away.

[Dacster]

Let me throw this out at you. I was checking out a K/P server last week where the ingame msg stated that the server was K/P and against the ROE with the possiblity of being reset and that the players were playing at their own risk. Not one player disconnected the whole time I was there and once they spotted my name all they had to say was I was messing with their fun. I reported the server and all players. This has become a dbl edged sword of sorts where players and servers don't care about running or playing in these type's of servers yet whine when they are reset. Can't have it both ways.

The ROE is not stated in the EULA, but you do agree to abide by all rules by checking the I agree button and installing.

[Timewarp]

Let me throw this out at you. I was checking out a K/P server last week where the ingame msg stated that the server was K/P and against the ROE with the possiblity of being reset and that the players were playing at their own risk. Not one player disconnected the whole time I was there and once they spotted my name all they had to say was I was messing with their fun. I reported the server and all players. This has become a dbl edged sword of sorts where players and servers don't care about running or playing in these type's of servers yet whine when they are reset. Can't have it both ways.


I aggree with that whole heartedly however I'm not at all debating the fact that there are loosers out there who know the rules and break them. My only grip is the ones who don't understand what they are subject to....if caught breaking the rules even if they were unaware.;)

[evilzucchini]

Frist, time warp, use your inside voice, please. I hate to break it to you, but writing in all caps or in bold just makes it look like you can't control the volume of your voice.

Second, ignorance is no excuse for the law. Period. I know we ALL just skip over the licensing agreement because we are excited to play the game, but it has the rules in there, I am sure.

Third, you have no right to your stats. Considering they run the stats server, they have the right to wipe them at their whim if they so wish. They could discontinue stats altogether if they wanted to.

So what, you don't like. You poor thing. Just deal with it.

However, if EULA does NOT reference these things, I agree with you totally, it is f-ed up. If it does, whatever.

And to all of you schmoes who are accusing the OP of wanting to go to K/P servers, READ HIS F-ING POST. It is clear his problem is not with the rules, but the way the rules are presented.

[Dacster]

I agree with you. Maybe the ROE can be added to the EULA or be agreed to when the game is installed so there is no way of saying that a person didn't know. Right now this is the system in place that all of us as players or server owners have to work with.

[sonny]

I found out about the ROE in this website. and i found this website because i was looking for some info to fix my CTD.

[~WPN~Major Ursa]

Sorry, nobody but your mommy is obliged to spoon feed you.

The terms of agreement cover this whole debate. If you don't read them before you check "yes", then it is your fault. This is how contracts in the real world are written and executed. The onus is on the person that seeks to sign a contract or agree to terms to make sure said terms are in line with what that person is seeking to gain by signing the contract or agreeing to said terms.

So the whole argument about not knowing to visit forums or EA's website or reading the EURL or ROE is moot. You checked yes and in the end that is all that matters. If you don't like it, quit playing and delete your account.

[SERIALBUTCHER]

I tell you people what, I Understand this whole BF2ROE stuff and aggree with it as far as it's a guideline to try and add some more rules to the multiplayer communmity however.

I think that anyone who gets their stats reset because of playing on a server that is not in the eyes of some of you ok, is STUPID. I mean come on people did BF2 say anything about this so called BF2ROE on the package or in the .dat files or in the so called user manuel?

NO so why should someones stats get reset when people are not notified in advance.

Tell you what I havn't gotten my stats reset however many of us have unknowingly entered a server only to find out it was a knife or pistol server and because we waited so long to load we stayed and played a bit. Tell you what if I ever do get my stats reset because of my unwanted knife or pistol episode ........this one would make it to court because thats just plain stupid. If ea wants to stop the crazyness then get rid of the servers all together. Ban the servers, fine the server owners but do not mess with you hard working everyday player who invested good money and normally had no idea of what they were getting themselves into when joining one of those servers.

In the US you can only sue for damages, what would you be suing for, your $50 back?

rotflmao

Lieutenant General |SI|SERIALBUTCHER

peace:)

[Canuck]

Regarding players who play just for fun and don't go to the forums, ignorance of the law does not apply here. It would be like you walking into an establishment downtown like a restaurant or bar, all looks fine from the outside, but not knowing there are illegal activities going on inside and a month later you get arrested and fined just for having been there.

[~WPN~Major Ursa]

Regarding players who play just for fun and don't go to the forums, ignorance of the law does not apply here. It would be like you walking into an establishment downtown like a restaurant or bar, all looks fine from the outside, but not knowing there are illegal activities going on inside and a month later you get arrested and fined just for having been there.

I disagree. When you intsall the game, you are presented with the terms of agreement. There is your chance.

In your argument there is no advance warning that the establishment is engaging in illicit activities. Now if the establishment had a plaquard on the front of the door telling everyone that entered that they do so at their own risk due to possible illict activities being purpetrated within, then your argument would be applicable. If you didn't read the note on the door and you walked in, then by default, you agreed to do so at your own risk.

[xpnl]

Your pole question is to difficult for me
....anyway
If you play a lot on servers like that.....your stats are at risk
BIG DEAL, start all over

[Tiberiansun292]

i think it is a good idea. beaucse it keeps people from the k&p server.

well most of them

[sonny]

Sorry, nobody but your mommy is obliged to spoon feed you.

The terms of agreement cover this whole debate. If you don't read them before you check "yes", then it is your fault. This is how contracts in the real world are written and executed. The onus is on the person that seeks to sign a contract or agree to terms to make sure said terms are in line with what that person is seeking to gain by signing the contract or agreeing to said terms.

So the whole argument about not knowing to visit forums or EA's website or reading the EURL or ROE is moot. You checked yes and in the end that is all that matters. If you don't like it, quit playing and delete your account.

thats the thing. no where in the contract says anything about the ROE.

[Ryan-82]

umm who knows ? I voted i dont care

[~WPN~Major Ursa]

thats the thing. no where in the contract says anything about the ROE.
The verbage in the agreement refers the user to EA's site for further explanation of any and all referenced materials in the agreement. Specifics are not required IF the contract/agreement reference outside sources and said sources are valid and comprehensive. EA assumes that by checking yes, you have done your due dillegence and therefore are informed about all of the facets of the agreement you just authorized.

[sonny]

hey man, dont want to make fun of you but i am not a lawyer. I just Code. can you explain that for me!!!!

[~WPN~Major Ursa]

hey man, dont want to make fun of you but i am not a lawyer. I just Code. can you explain that for me!!!!
Ha! I am not a lawyer either, but in the real world I do have to deal with some pretty heavy contracts and agreements.

Basically, a contract does not have to list every single point as long as the contract provides direction or references to all of the points. Since there was no time limit placed upon you to agree, EA is in the clear. You had all day to read the agreement and research every point contained within it before you said yes and installed the game.

I can not fault anyone that did not do that though. It is a video game, not a house loan. BUT, the whole point is that EA has the right to do what they want with the game and the stats. It is in the agreement and if you blindly checked yes, then you gave EA the ok. I know it sucks for some, but that is just how it is. If it truly bothers people enough, they can avoid EA or any other game company that operates in a similar fashion.

[DesertFalcon]

I disagree with stat resets unless it was caused by glitching i have no promblem with knife/pistol only servers or anything of the sort. if you dont want to be bothered by stats okay unraNKED SERVERS.

[Donkey]

I have been told that it is in the EULA in which you click YES I AGREE to before you install the game....Yet no one reads this...

Let us not forget the rules system is only for RANKED servers...YOU do not have to USE a RANKED server...Thus why the offer UNRANKED servers....

You have a choice the way I see it... carry on

-edit

Also I believe all the EULA and everything else EA puts out has the "this is subject to change without notice" clause....thus making it all kosher ;)

[Timewarp]

Ha! I am not a lawyer either, but in the real world I do have to deal with some pretty heavy contracts and agreements.

Basically, a contract does not have to list every single point as long as the contract provides direction or references to all of the points. Since there was no time limit placed upon you to agree, EA is in the clear. You had all day to read the agreement and research every point contained within it before you said yes and installed the game.

I can not fault anyone that did not do that though. It is a video game, not a house loan. BUT, the whole point is that EA has the right to do what they want with the game and the stats. It is in the agreement and if you blindly checked yes, then you gave EA the ok. I know it sucks for some, but that is just how it is. If it truly bothers people enough, they can avoid EA or any other game company that operates in a similar fashion.


Ok I aggree but disagree...It's true you do have all day so to speak to read this aggreement and research it. However you only can read the aggreement after opening the package and starting up the program for install so if you do not aggree your out 50.00 basically. Because everyone knows with computer software after it's been opened you can not take it back for a refund.So it's kind of a catch 22 isn't it, damned if you do damned if you don't

[cracpot_23]

I didn't pay 50 so I can rank up in a game. I paid 50 to have some fun with my friends. Couldnt care less about my rank. The only reason why I do give it a thought is because I can say "I own you" and my unlocks. What the hell would I do w/o them?

[SERIALBUTCHER]

i think it is a good idea. beaucse it keeps people from the k&p server.

well most of them

Hi buddy!!

Lieutenant General |SI|SERIALBUTCHER

peace:)

[~WPN~Major Ursa]

Ok I aggree but disagree...It's true you do have all day so to speak to read this aggreement and research it. However you only can read the aggreement after opening the package and starting up the program for install so if you do not aggree your out 50.00 basically. Because everyone knows with computer software after it's been opened you can not take it back for a refund.So it's kind of a catch 22 isn't it, damned if you do damned if you don't

No. You simply don't get to accumulate stats. You can still play the game in single player and maybe even by setting your comp up as a local server and inviting people to come and play. The agreement is for the account, not the game. IF BF2 was only playable online, then you would have to be notified prior to purchase in order to avoid paying for something that you can not use. And to that effect, I think the game box lists the min. comp specs and internet connection requirements of the game to help people that either don't have internet or have sub par computers avoid purchasing a game that won't run as advertised due to the purchaser's limitations.

[Revoluti0n]

If someone is caught cheating/stat padding, they should have their CD key banned. But the reset is alright for now.

[RocketChild]

Well, as much as I seem to voice opposition to this and that, I do agree there needs to be some leveling for all players. I hate zero tolerance policies and black/white thinking. I feel that we should have a ROE, though at times I fight it mostly because we do not have a clear picture of what the reasoning is behind some of their policies.

EA, whom does not seem to do a great job reaching out to the community, did a horrible job informing the community. I have seen a lot of advertisements when I jump into the game to see "Download Patch 1.22!!!" Well, you know, I have seen the AF ad for several weeks now, and think we should get a link to ROE every now and then. They should be switching out the ad every few days.

In my mind, killing someone's year of work because they spent an hour on a k/p is just overboard, not an eye-for-an-eye. I think there should be repercussions, along the lines of, well, you padded for Knife and pistol points, well, we are going to wipe all your Team Points, and remove all your badges/awards, whatever rank you are at now based on the loss T.Pts, is your new, demoted rank. Or, based on your actions, like you are a notorious baseraper or TKer for planes, they demote you two ranks or knock you down %50 of your Global Score.

Society has gotten soft and weak and like easy policies/laws to enforce. People like to take the path of least resistance, and just clearing a whole table in a database is easier then going into certain fields of SQL to cherry pick what to null.

The accused is not provided the evidence, time, date, place, logs, and screenshots. I have seen some of the descriptions of what people have done and I have to say, well you had it coming, but I don't like the fact they got knocked on their *** for it. Sometimes, a nice hard punch to knock the wind out of you is better then having your teeth broken out.

I am not an advocate for K/P servers by any means. I don't want to encourage it. But don't think nailing people to a cross over it is the right way either.

If someone is caught cheating/stat padding, they should have their CD key banned. But the reset is alright for now.

Rev, you are my favorite mod here, but I have to disagree with ya here. I think the CD/hardware bans should be reserved for the scarlet letter people that hack servers and use aimbots, people that go way out of their way to alter legitimate gaming.

There are levels to breaking the law, and dropping a gum wrapper on the ground should not be grounds to have your bank account cleaned out by law enforcement. But if you rob a bank, you should not get the death penalty, but a fair sentence term. I think Hammurabi had it right in some cases, even if his code is handed down 4000 years ago.

[Donkey]

When you purchased BF2 and made your account, you selected "YES" to the terms of agreement. If you had selected "no", then you would not have been able to create a legitimate account and therefore would not be eligable for stat tracking (points/ranks/unlocks/ribbons/medals).

Just because you did not have a 4ft x 8ft laminated copy of the Rules of Engagement hand delivered to your home does not mean you are not bound by them. You agreed to abide by the ROE when you selected yes to create your account.

EA/DICE is under no obligation to provide you with the ROE if you checked "yes" in the terms of agreement. By checking "yes" you told EA/DICE that you have read and understand EVERYTHING mentioned in the terms and that you AGREE to abide by said terms. The ROE were mentioned and referenced and it was up to you to find them and read them BEFORE you agreed to the terms. If you did not, then it is not EA/DICE's fault. I would strongly suggest you not sign any other agreements/documents or contracts without reading everything first. You could wind up in a giant heaping mess in real life.

Bottom line is that if you have a valid account, you agreed to play by the rules. Even if that means you have to go and find said rules on your own.

This sums it up........

[Timewarp]

Well, as much as I seem to voice opposition to this and that, I do agree there needs to be some leveling for all players. I hate zero tolerance policies and black/white thinking. I feel that we should have a ROE, though at times I fight it mostly because we do not have a clear picture of what the reasoning is behind some of their policies.

EA, whom does not seem to do a great job reaching out to the community, did a horrible job informing the community. I have seen a lot of advertisements when I jump into the game to see "Download Patch 1.22!!!" Well, you know, I have seen the AF ad for several weeks now, and think we should get a link to ROE every now and then. They should be switching out the ad every few days.

In my mind, killing someone's year of work because they spent an hour on a k/p is just overboard, not an eye-for-an-eye. I think there should be repercussions, along the lines of, well, you padded for Knife and pistol points, well, we are going to wipe all your Team Points, and remove all your badges/awards, whatever rank you are at now based on the loss T.Pts, is your new, demoted rank. Or, based on your actions, like you are a notorious baseraper or TKer for planes, they demote you two ranks or knock you down %50 of your Global Score.

Society has gotten soft and weak and like easy policies/laws to enforce. People like to take the path of least resistance, and just clearing a whole table in a database is easier then going into certain fields of SQL to cherry pick what to null.

The accused is not provided the evidence, time, date, place, logs, and screenshots. I have seen some of the descriptions of what people have done and I have to say, well you had it coming, but I don't like the fact they got knocked on their *** for it. Sometimes, a nice hard punch to knock the wind out of you is better then having your teeth broken out.

I am not an advocate for K/P servers by any means. I don't want to encourage it. But don't think nailing people to a cross over it is the right way either.


Very well put..........Couldn't aggree more

[~WPN~Major Ursa]

Well put Rocketchild.

To be honest, I think the harshness that people feel when stats get wiped for playing in a Knife/Pistol only server is there by design. In order to try and give the whole concept of BF2 and "earning" points for advancement some degree of Reputableness, EA does come down hard on those that subvert the intent of the game. We all know that you can't legislate morality and that there is no honor umong thieves, but if there is a hint of propriety or fairness, then people will compete. Nobody plays any game if they know that everyone else sitting at the table is cheating.(well, Las Vegas ain't closed yet so maybe that theory is off a bit..)

Wiping someone's stats is a great use of the Public Example method of deterring bad behavior.

I am not saying I agree with the methods or motives or results. I am just saying what I am saying.

[DeadCRAP_]

ok heres my opinion its a story so.. yeah, One day little jimmy went to EB Games to get battlefield 2! he installed 1.3 patch ef and af and away he went! he went into a karkand server. he was on the lil building ext to hotel. his evil commander Commander.Meow dropped a car on it. he thought he could probaley bring it down to to street but it went inside of the building. he found himself in the hotel glitch. and he was a colonal (O_O) Then. he got an email saying ur stats have been erased. ty for giving us ur 190 bucks for the exp and the game and sf now leave. THE END

[CensoredByGod]

Im sorry Im confused. I see a lot of people who in one statement say they "don't care about the stats" and in another say "Yeah you should get wiped for playing in K/P servers". This is quite hypocritical. You may not care about your stats, but you sure seem concerned with someone else's. I mean really, all this debate is stupid. K/P servers cater to people who may like that type of game play, lose the rank crap and would you still be complaining about it? I doubt it. Matter of fact you would probably be inclined to join for a round or 2, to test your ability with those weapons.

Some of you are saying "Play unranked", well would you play unranked if EA said no more Bombing infantry with planes? I doubt it. How about they take away med bag spamming on ranked and you could get reset for that, would you play unranked? You all with tis answer seem to be missing a crucial point. If it was your desired way of playing would you play the same or move to unranked?

This whole argument is completely absurd. The ROE says you cant limit gameplay, but yet enforces limits on play. A K/P server is just a server, so everyone is using K's and P's and its balanced as long as everyone is using the K's and P's. The only problem with it, is the assumption that people are earning poins and stats that are "unfair?".

So the next time you complain about it, maybe a second look at your motivations are in order. If you are truly uncaring about your stats and ranks, then why dont you play unranked?

And for the guy who said "I like my rank because it means 'I own you'". Rank dont mean sh**, when it comes to ownage.

[evilzucchini]

Some of you are saying "Play unranked", well would you play unranked if EA said no more Bombing infantry with planes? I doubt it. How about they take away med bag spamming on ranked and you could get reset for that, would you play unranked? You all with tis answer seem to be missing a crucial point. If it was your desired way of playing would you play the same or move to unranked?
I am sorry, but this is an incredibly weak analogy. There is a huge difference between EA changing the rules and people imposing rules on a server to encourage stat padding.

The ROE says you cant limit gameplay, but yet enforces limits on play.
Wah?

[Donkey]

Simple you have TWO choices play RANKED and follow the rules or play UNRANKED and do what ever the hell you want...

No one is forcing you to play RANKED or UNRANKED...

Life is a mother BLEEP deal with it ;)

[onehitah]

[QUOTE=CensoredByGod]Im sorry Im confused.......K/P servers cater to people who may like that type of game play,................

....so twenty idiots, huddled up in the middle of the street, stabbing and reviving eachother, is a type of game play?

[pYura]

If you press the "Play now" button and a K&P server loads blame EA, Dice, both. These servers shouldnt be legal (they are not actually) but it is stuped to punish the users, EA/Dice should take action against these servers not the users. "Ranked" means guarantee that this servers protected from any abuse.... or at least it should mean that :(

[~WPN~Major Ursa]

If you press the "Play now" button and a K&P server loads blame EA, Dice, both. These servers shouldnt be legal (they are not actually) but it is stuped to punish the users, EA/Dice should take action against these servers not the users. "Ranked" means guarantee that this servers protected from any abuse.... or at least it should mean that :(
I never have hit the "play now" button. If a knife/pistol server did load up, then that would be bad. Never really thought about that one.

I also am reluctant to believe that EA/DICE won't shut down k/p servers just because of the loss of revenue. I really think that it has more to do with time and manpower. The title of a server is not a good indication of anything as the server owners can use any name they wish. To truly go after those servers, someone would have to join the server and view the gameplay and scores to really know. That is why it is easier to go after the individual players. The stats are kept by EA and if a player gets reported, a simple look up can be done and the stats scrutinized. If the accusations match the stats, bingo!

I do think that if a server gets too many complaints for ROE violations that the servers should be dealt with quicker and removed from the rank system.

In the end, I just think that EA feels that placing enough people on as server police is not fiscally responsible when those people could be doing somthing else like working on BF2142 or Madden 07.

[Cigar_Man]

By agreeing to the EULA, EA owns your soul.

Get used to it.
Hell, Microsoft owns your soul first. If you run any windows OS, MS owns you.

Windows, BF2, CS, etc, once you OK to their EULA, they own you. LOL

As it is, unless you created the software yourself (and this depends on what you created the software with), you do not own it, you have just purchased the right to use it until they say otherwise.

Just use the software to have fun. If you are not having fun, find something else to do.

Rules change....rights change....Oh Well.

[Consultant01]

Getting stats wiped is clearly not discouraging the use of Stat-Pad servers... drawing connections between this and real life is simpe.

Pot is illegal in the US and 99% of other western nations, how many people here smoke pot?

But its illegal! Thousands of people get arrested for possession of it daily... arent you deterred? No?

Getting your stats wiped isnt death... and nobody is getting executed for smoking pot... getting your stats wiped is a very gentle slap on the writsts...




All thats irrelevant anyway because of one simple fact.

I dont give a crap about anybody's stats but my own. If some 13 year old from Holland wants to sit in an internet cafe knifing his friend Olaf while Sven revives him for 268 hours and gets a Major Ranking... good for him.

I dont give a crap.

He never practices tactics, never learns the dynamics of the game, cant shoot moving targets, doesnt know the maps beyond the Hotel at Karkand, and simply isnt a threat to me.

I played on a Warlord server last night with a 2-star general and a few "Majors" and I could tell which ones were true players from the stat padders who got their ranks the easy way... some of them couldnt shoot their way out of a paper bag... no threat.

The symbol over your head means nothing to me if you are inept... Only time it pisses me off is when one of them gets Commander over me, lol

I played agains this guy last night...
http://bf2s.com/player/47108137/

Think he's a stat padder?

Hell if I care... Do you care?

If so, you should ask yourself "why?".

[sassback]

i personally think it is BS. like ive said before they should target the servers themselves but they wont because the monthly bill buys them a pass. like i said before it is one of the things that is killing bf2. there so many other ways that the BF2 police could deal with u other than reseting ur stats with no warning and no chance to explain urself. cheating is wrong but i can live with it. if u obsess about people who cheat on an online game u should really find something better to do with ur time.

[Fr33dom_Fri]

. Do what the **** you like, its a game.

right on:rock:

Im not saying that statpadding is right, but if u have over 100 hours on one game (like most of us do) i dont think u should get ur stats erased. But thats just my opinion....

[RocketChild]

But its illegal! Thousands of people get arrested for possession of it daily... arent you deterred? No?

Getting your stats wiped isnt death... and nobody is getting executed for smoking pot... getting your stats wiped is a very gentle slap on the writsts...


Ya, but getting a mandatory 20 years in a federal prison for just possession seems more than just a 'slap on the wrists'. People will screw around against the things they don't like, and I feel they should be held account able, but I don't feel we need to just kill their stats because of it. That to me is a little execessive, and it is going to take a lot of work to convince me otherwise.

[DesertFalcon]

Hell, Microsoft owns your soul first. If you run any windows OS, MS owns you.

Windows, BF2, CS, etc, once you OK to their EULA, they own you. LOL

As it is, unless you created the software yourself (and this depends on what you created the software with), you do not own it, you have just purchased the right to use it until they say otherwise.

Just use the software to have fun. If you are not having fun, find something else to do.

Rules change....rights change....Oh Well.

microsoft dosnt reset all your work and documents if it dosnt think its right.

[RocketChild]

microsoft dosnt reset all your work and documents if it dosnt think its right.

:rofl: Or clear your SQL DB when you violate the conditions of the EULA. They just send you a warning to upgrade your license.

[sassback]

do they give you a warning when you break the law or do they arrest you? your breaking the law of the bf2 world and something you all need to understand, you dont own your account, ea does, what they say goes.

they are never going to shut down a k&p server, they pay their bills and the server providers protect their customers. since when does it take so long to load that if you realize your in a k&p server you stayed and played because it was such a tedious chore to load a new room? the server rules would say k&p while your loading, plain to see if you read the server rules then you simply hit esc and find a new one, simple as that. sounds like your making some pretty lame exscuses on why it should be ok to statpad or why you should get an ok too. may i suggest not loading into rooms that say k&p right in the server title and take a second to read the server rules while loading, youll learn alot if you just read. that whole "it takes so long to load the room so i just stayed and played" is total bullshiit.

true those are just excuses but he made a very good point about nothing telling noobs about the ROE in the manual,box or files. im sure that at least 1/3 of the people on K/P servers dont even know what they are doing is agains the rules. it is simply unjust for dozens of people with minor violations to get screwed over while people like Turbo Seal continue to statpad without consequence.

[RocketChild]

true those are just excuses but he made a very good point about nothing telling noobs about the ROE in the manual,box or files. im sure that at least 1/3 of the people on K/P servers dont even know what they are doing is agains the rules. it is simply unjust for dozens of people with minor violations to get screwed over while people like Turbo Seal continue to statpad without consequence.

Actually, I would think it is more then 1/2 knows

[Teh_Spambot]

If youre too stupid to see that its called "KNIFE AND PISTOL" on the server, you would take EA to court for resetting your stats? Thats what the thread starter stated...

Incredibly pathetic, given that the only people whos stats get reset are people who PAD non stop, so their stats are worthless anyway. Not like stats are worth anything anyway....

[RocketChild]

Incredibly pathetic, given that the only people whos stats get reset are people who PAD non stop, so their stats are worthless anyway.

Looks like you have not been keeping up on all the threads on this forum, because there are a couple excellent community members on this very forum that have been caught up in the K/P servers that were not padding, but just happened to be on the server, caught up with the rest of the mix. They got their stats cleared.

[Timewarp]

Looks like you have not been keeping up on all the threads on this forum, because there are a couple excellent community members on this very forum that have been caught up in the K/P servers that were not padding, but just happened to be on the server, caught up with the rest of the mix. They got their stats cleared.


True I have read a few reports of that.......:)

[CensoredByGod]

[QUOTE=CensoredByGod]Im sorry Im confused.......K/P servers cater to people who may like that type of game play,................

....so twenty idiots, huddled up in the middle of the street, stabbing and reviving eachother, is a type of game play?


You must have missed my point.........

What the F*** do you care what they are doing?? Follow your own advice and find another server that caters to what you want. Im not saying they arent idiots but really what the F*** do I care what they are doing.

Course for that to work, you would have to stop worrying about what others are doing and start worrying about what your doing instead.

As for my analogy that someone else mentioned, simple extrapolation would apply. If they took out something that you used and said its now illegal would you stop doing it? My examples may have been less than perfect but the point remains.

The ones who say the ranks ruined the game are absolutly correct, it has done nothing but divide the game into 2 catagories.

Those who play for the fun of the game and the ranks are just there and Those who are so wrapped up in them that they forget its just a game.

[Beerman]

nerds. I say screw BFROE like you said doesnt say on the package, so I dont give a rats *** what BF2ROE says I dont cheat or nothing but im not going to change how I play online. But myself I play to have fun not for stats they can wipe it if they want.

Bottom line: worry about how you play, not whine about others.

[Xtreme]

Ok just for the record, most people in the community cry and whine when they get reset and then attack the game, the roe, the roe programs or whomever. If you care about stats...stay off the servers that violate the roe...if you dont care about stats...and get reset...stop bitchin about the roe and resets and play strictly UNRANKED.The game is what it is, the game is supported the way its supported, people move on already...EA is most liklely not going to bend to the will of people who violate the TOS. Do you honestly think they will change the rules for people who stat pad and break the roe?...not gonna happen get over it. A nd now im sure i will get a response that some people dont even know about the roe....but you know what?....its a lousy excuse at this point....more players by now know enough about it to stay away.Example of ignorance....if someone is speeding on the highway and gets pulled over by the police...they say sorry officer i didnt see the speed limit sign....the cop says its been posted for years....yes it sucks that person gets a speeding ticket....just the way it sucks that the person gets reset....oh well....think about it people.

Sorry for my Rant here...just that im tired of reading the same old tired whines and crys of resets...lolz...this is a game lets have some fun....please

[sassback]

Ok just for the record, most people in the community cry and whine when they get reset and then attack the game, the roe, the roe programs or whomever. If you care about stats...stay off the servers that violate the roe...if you dont care about stats...and get reset...stop bitchin about the roe and resets and play strictly UNRANKED.The game is what it is, the game is supported the way its supported, people move on already...EA is most liklely not going to bend to the will of people who violate the TOS. Do you honestly think they will change the rules for people who stat pad and break the roe?...not gonna happen get over it. A nd now im sure i will get a response that some people dont even know about the roe....but you know what?....its a lousy excuse at this point....more players by now know enough about it to stay away.Example of ignorance....if someone is speeding on the highway and gets pulled over by the police...they say sorry officer i didnt see the speed limit sign....the cop says its been posted for years....yes it sucks that person gets a speeding ticket....just the way it sucks that the person gets reset....oh well....think about it people.

Sorry for my Rant here...just that im tired of reading the same old tired whines and crys of resets...lolz...this is a game lets have some fun....please

i really dont want to be an a** but even though ur message is clear it is a very poor analogy. for one the speed limit sign is in a clearly visible public place for everyone to see and it is i cant think of a soul above the age of two who doesnt know what speed limit is or that is totally oblivious to the existance of the speed limit. secondly a speeding ticket is simply a slap on the wrist compared to getting your stats reset. my point is that a restting is a bit of an extreme response in most cases.

also i am not one to criticize the ROE itself because there is nothing wrong with it (aside from a few things that could be clarified.) i think it is safe to say that it is safe to say that most people that post dont have a problem with the rules themselves but rather the way they are enforced. i have made a few suggestions (not sure if u have viewed them already) that may save u and others in the ROE a bundle on tylenol to counteract the headaches u get from all of the b*tching if emplemented.:p take a look:http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1107654#post1107654

there are a handful of people who will say "forget the stats and have fun" but as long as the stats are an aspect of the game the vast majority will care about them. its been that way and i cant see it changing because of a few posts on a forum.

[EyeofG]

If I got my stats reset I would do one of two things
1) not play BF2 anymore
2)Own Higher ranking guys and call them "Noobs"

[Xtreme]

No i dont think your an ***...your entitled to post...

Well i think its a very good analogy...you say you cant think of a soul above the age of two who doesnt know what speed limit is or that is totally oblivious to the existance of the speed limit...well for those people living in the community should know and most likley do..but they use that excuse anyways...same with the people in this community...99% of them know the rules...yet they complain much the same as in the above analogy. My point to the community is this...the ROE is a guidline...just have fun....dont stat pad...dont glitch ...even if ea knows about the glitch and does nothing about them...dont hack...its very simple even for people over the age of 2. This is a community of mostley intelligent people i believe...so lets all just follow the "guidelines" and just play already...we can do without all the drama.

Its getting to the point where the mods for bf2 are going to reign supreme and the ranking system will mean nothing to this community anyway( im not trying to bash ea or dice here), but stats are important to some i understand this...but you must understand the other points also....thats why the ROE was created...to bring balance to a system that will become very unbalanced if left un checked and un monitored...im very sorry that this is the case...but it is what it is.....

[disfigured]

Here's my take, and answer to a few questions.

As far as the OP goes:

Ignorance is not a defense. Can you defend a speeding ticket by saying "everyone else is doing it"? Of course not.

It's not "mis-adverstisment". You can still play the game, you've been deprived of nothing if your stats get wiped out. If they got wiped out each week, you could still play the game.

EA has the right to do anything with "your" online account, it's actually theirs not yours. So they can do anything, and I mean anything. They could eliminate the entire system tommorrow if they feel the cost of tracking stats becomes too expensive (for example).


The ROE is written far to vaguely. This doesn't apply to K&P servers though, and if I"m not mistaken, even makes mention of that particular situation.

Unless the user can't read, I see no reason to absolve him getting his stats wiped. Wouldnt' everyone just claim ignorance (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ignorance)? The true meaning of the word.

I can not care about stats, but at the same time want ranked K&P servers eliminated.

How? Even though I don't play for stats, I can certainly recogonize that a system that assigns points, badges, medals, and awards by way of statistics in order to dicpict some one's expereince and skill, needs to have some sort of strict policies how those stats are collected. Otherwise they mean nothing.

Just because I don't play for my own stats doesnt' mean I don't want everyone's else's and my own to reflect a standard one can at least rely on some what.

It's also a big part of autobalancing. Which affects me even though I don't play for stats.

[ActiveMatx]

It is NOT FAIR AT ALL.

A friend of mine got banned because he plays by clicking the "play bf2 now" button. He ends up in pistol knife servers & doesnt know.... gets stats reset. soooo not fair. he doesnt even know the title of the server he is on....

[CensoredByGod]

Here's my take, and answer to a few questions.

As far as the OP goes:

Ignorance is not a defense. Can you defend a speeding ticket by saying "everyone else is doing it"? Of course not.

It's not "mis-adverstisment". You can still play the game, you've been deprived of nothing if your stats get wiped out. If they got wiped out each week, you could still play the game.

EA has the right to do anything with "your" online account, it's actually theirs not yours. So they can do anything, and I mean anything. They could eliminate the entire system tommorrow if they feel the cost of tracking stats becomes too expensive (for example).


The ROE is written far to vaguely. This doesn't apply to K&P servers though, and if I"m not mistaken, even makes mention of that particular situation.

Unless the user can't read, I see no reason to absolve him getting his stats wiped. Wouldnt' everyone just claim ignorance (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ignorance)? The true meaning of the word.

I can not care about stats, but at the same time want ranked K&P servers eliminated.

How? Even though I don't play for stats, I can certainly recogonize that a system that assigns points, badges, medals, and awards by way of statistics in order to dicpict some one's expereince and skill, needs to have some sort of strict policies how those stats are collected. Otherwise they mean nothing.

Just because I don't play for my own stats doesnt' mean I don't want everyone's else's and my own to reflect a standard one can at least rely on some what.

It's also a big part of autobalancing. Which affects me even though I don't play for stats.


Good points and well put, however. There will never be any balance or standard level to judge anyones abilitys by points or stats. Especially at this point in the game where all the main players have K/P'ed H/P'ed so much that your rank or stat no matter how good or high will compare to the 1000's of players already at some extravagent point count. If they were truly going to stop this type of gameplay they should have done it at the outset. A year into it, who cares really?

In that light, the ROE is actually hampering truly honest players from ever reaching certain goals, the badges are hard enough to earn for a lot of players and the majority of them that have all of them expert didnt get them by just playing fair. Maybe the guys with 1000+ hrs but thats the only scenario that would give anyone the time and ability to get them all.

Ive seen many clans who have just played to lose and gain badges for there teammates, right there in the open in front of everyone. Simple enough "hey Im at the hotel by the burning car come get another pistol kill, knife kill, etc". Let some clanmate kill them enough to get the IAR and voila' free badge, not padded (In ROE terms) but not earned.

So my point stands, the ranks are so overstacked with these types of players that anyone who has just started playing, with all the "NEW" rules, doesnt have a chance to play to any standard but his own.

[Radar-C}{G-]

Live by the stats, die by the stats. Most standard EULA's have a disclaimer that the developer owns the software you are using and is issuing a license to you to use the software for a price (the price you paid for the game). It also usualy states that at any time they, the developer, can revoke your license for any reason they chose. This is not just EA, but Microsoft, Oracle, Symantec, Logitech... etc.

[Ghilleman]

well, if you're on a KP only server....LEAVE. You should get your stats reset if you are caught there, its the same as cheating. You make it sound as though you want to be able to go to KP servers (im not accusing you of anything before you whip out the flamethrower).

[Stormchaser2oo6]

This is the way I see it (just my 2 cents worth). If you want to play on a k&p server, you should be allowed to, without the risk of having your stats wiped. I personally don't play on them, but I think that the option should be open to any who wish to do so. I think it's stupid that there are rules about which type of server you can play on, when those who are hosting the server that set those rules, are paying to run the server. It should be run by whatever rules those who host the server have set. If you don't like those servers, don't play on them. It should be free choice.

[ChubbyE]

guys, i play on a server with no vehicles or artillary (mostly). i only play as a medic and usually on noob jalalabad....recently when i go on a site to check my stats like bf2s.com it says they cant find my player info blah blah, but when i play in the game i still get new weapons, and increasing my rank etc. why cant i find my username on these websites? its been there before.....

btw, my name is: GangstaMedic

[Ramirez]

The players should read the EULA before checking the I agree button. It's EA's game and it's their ROE, all players and server owners are bound by it whether they choose to read it or not.

Exactly.