kill cam

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hi, really looking forward to this game looks amazing but i have a question, the kill cam seems a bit stupid because it will give away your position so once the downed enemy respawns he'll know where you are and kill you this is particulary relevant to snipers, who might find a good spot but the kill cam seems to make finding a good spot pointless.

am i right in my thinking or not?

[cantina_fly]

Allow me to express a contrary opinion...

CAMPING SNIPERS SHOULD ALL BE KNIFED!

;)

Seriously, no one likes to play with/or against that guy who just sits in one spot the whole game. A good sniper has multiple shooting locations around a map. Make a kill or two from a spot and move on. IW also want to keep the game fluid and moving at all times. When a game bogs down into a camper war, people quickly get bored.

Personally, I'm looking forward to "Sniper Only" games. I played a number of them in BF2, and they were always a good change of pace. They actually taught me some respect for a class I had previously despised.

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yeah i understand what your saying about campers but i just think its a little sad that people wont have to use skill to find the snipers and instead just look at kill cam and work it out easier, and yes snipers hould get a few kills then move anyway but kill cam gives there rough location even if they move just seems a bit of s stupid thing to have in an online fps

[hurricane04343]

With the M21, snipers usually go into battle more often. Since the gun fires in semi auto, they have a good fighting chance.

Kill cam hasn't been a problem for me yet in CoD4. If I kill them, they will know where I am from looking on the map anyway. The red dot will show up. Plus, it seems many people skip the killcam.

[cantina_fly]

True that. Most games, have snipers with very slow bolt action rifles that leave them very exposed between shots. Hiding is part of surviving. And coming from a BF perspective, I rarely watched what happened after I died. I always pulled up the map screen to pick my next spawn point and change my kit if needed.

Besides, most vets know the maps well enough to know where they were shot from, within reason.

Kill cam should also make it easier to spot people glitching inside terrain or using wall hacks.

[Spik3d]

hi, really looking forward to this game looks amazing but i have a question, the kill cam seems a bit stupid because it will give away your position so once the downed enemy respawns he'll know where you are and kill you this is particulary relevant to snipers, who might find a good spot but the kill cam seems to make finding a good spot pointless.

am i right in my thinking or not?


Play on servers without killcam.
Play Search & Destroy (one life, objective).
Fire & maneuver.

[Lt Davis]

I agree with the OP, killcam lets people find where the enemy is without doing anything. IMO it should be removed.

[Kradath]

I don't see a problem in implementing it and let the serveradmin decide if it's tunred on or off. :)

[Gibson[75thR]]

It's likely that the server admin will have the ability to turn on or off the Kill Cam on their server. I haven't had a problem with it yet as with most of my deaths I saw the enemy shooting at me. Most people are already moving away from the location from where they killed you, and a smart sniper NEVER stays in the same place for too long, so the Kill Cam really isn't that problematic in my opinion.

[[2]Maj.Patton[HFM][V]]

Yep, I realized I don't like the KillCam. When someone snipes me or kills me from a distance, I watch the KillCam and even judging by their scope, I can figure out their general if not exact location.. I respawn and hunt them down. Kinda unfair in my opinion.

[Whiskey]

;3035']a smart sniper NEVER stays in the same place for too long, so the Kill Cam really isn't that problematic in my opinion.

Exactly. If they're dumb enought to camp in one spot trying to repeatedly rack up no-skill kills, then they deserve to be easily hunted down via the kill cam.

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^^^couldnt disagree more

what about a skilled sniper who finds an amazing spot and gets amazing headshot kills from that spot only to have it rendered useless because of killcam

this game seems a bit run and gun anyway so maybe it wont matter

[Gibson[75thR]]

This is modern warfare. No matter how good your location, you will be found. Smart snipers never stay in the same position for too long, because you will eventually be found and killed, Kill Cam or not.

[Iwantcable]

I like killcam because I can found out what I did wrong to get myself killed.

Most of the time I just skip it though.

[Lt Davis]

^^^couldnt disagree more

what about a skilled sniper who finds an amazing spot and gets amazing headshot kills from that spot only to have it rendered useless because of killcam

this game seems a bit run and gun anyway so maybe it wont matter

Yeah I agree. Whiskey, finding a good spot that's hard for enemies to find is skill. Being cheated out of it by kill cam is not.

[Cherni_95]

Killcam, ftl.

[Whiskey]

Yeah I agree. Whiskey, finding a good spot that's hard for enemies to find is skill. Being cheated out of it by kill cam is not.

Skill is knowing several good spots on a map, and having the smarts to move between them after a kill or two to always keep your opponents off balance. That's a good player. He kills you, you go back to get him, and he's no longer there...but he's preparing to shoot you from another location after you took the bait. That's skill, and smarts.

Finding a little half-glitchy hidey-hole where you're almost totally protected and taking pot shots down a busy pathway, isn't.

[Spik3d]

Quit your fecking whining about killcam.

[TheMisiek1]

I see a lot of people hate campers. I completely agree I don't like them either BUT you guys must remember that there are always people who are just bad at going in and shooting everything up but are real good at sniping. Also some people just rather snipe over going out with a assualt rifle. I mean seriously if you get killed by a sniper that happens to be camping and when you respawn you go to same spot and get killed again. Its your fault. The reason I' am defending campers is not cause I like them but because my lil brother loves games such as BF2 and BF2142 but all he is good at is sniping. And when I read about this kill cam thing it just me sadens knowing that my little brother who has been excited about this game since the day it was announced wouldn't be able to enjoy the game as much as any of you guys.

[hurricane04343]

Well, CoD4 has a slightly different style of gameplay than BF2/2142. He should try the non-snipers in it. When I first played the game, I couldn't get a kill with the M16 for a few days. But I soon got the hang it it, I got really good. In BF2142, whenever I wasn't good with one weapon, after I tried it for about a week, I still couldn't use it well enough.

[Spik3d]

There is no winning from the standpoint of trying to abolish killcam. Fire & maneuver. There's a quote from the Call of Duty single player that would work really well here.

[Iwantcable]

I assume you mean "Death solves all problems - no man, no problem."
- Joseph Stalin

:laugh:

Or "Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more
he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter."
- Winston Churchill
Maybe?

[Whiskey]

And when I read about this kill cam thing it just me sadens knowing that my little brother who has been excited about this game since the day it was announced wouldn't be able to enjoy the game as much as any of you guys.

Nah, he just needs to learn to pick 3 or 4 good spots on each map, and move around between them - either every few kills, or each time he dies.

Doing this will, over time, actually improve his scores instead of picking just 1 sweet spot per map. It'll make him a better player overall.

[Spik3d]

Maybe?

That's the one, I recall it saying fire though... :hmm:

[Bradley]

hi, really looking forward to this game looks amazing but i have a question, the kill cam seems a bit stupid because it will give away your position so once the downed enemy respawns he'll know where you are and kill you this is particulary relevant to snipers, who might find a good spot but the kill cam seems to make finding a good spot pointless.

am i right in my thinking or not?

Well, it all depends.

If you're an infantry man, and you get shot, and wana know how he did it, or where he aimed ect...i'ts very good, as you can learn new tips on the game ect...

But if you're a sniper, it's not all that fun, but a good sniper always relocates when he kills somebody, I do that in every game I have even if it doesn't have kill cam, it makes the ammount of time you live alot longer, as the noob who comes to the old spot get sniped in the face, becasue you relocated, otherwise you may have been hit with the stock of the gun, the most humiliating death ever :D