Call of Duty 4 to Include Punkbuster

[[MyIS]Spawndemon]

Activision has contracted with Even Balance, Inc. to integrate PunkBuster™ Anti-Cheat software into the game Call of Duty® 4: Modern Warfare™ developed by Infinity Ward. Activision and Call of Duty are registered trademarks and Modern Warfare is a trademark of Activision Publishing, Inc. All rights reserved.

Source: Punkbuster (http://www.evenbalance.com/index.php?page=announce.php)

[[WS] Stephensolofo]

hmmm lets just hope we dont go thru the same crap as bf2.

[Lt Davis]

Oh god...

[Pickerd]

Awesome news. Glad IW came to their senses and listened to us. No Anti-cheat for the first few patches in both CoD1 and 2 (uo had it out the gate, but then grey matter studios rock) made me pretty bitter. Not puting it in CoD2 out the gate was a really bad move, and so happy they didn't repeat.

Ill be the first to have a streaming auto MBL from punksbusted.com too. :D

I was worried they were just giving PCers CoD4 as a token, with no support, and investing all their energy in consoles.

[[WS] Stephensolofo]

Awesome news. Glad IW came to their senses and listened to us. No Anti-cheat for the first few patches in both CoD1 and 2 (uo had it out the gate, but then grey matter studios rock) made me pretty bitter. Not puting it in CoD2 out the gate was a really bad move, and so happy they didn't repeat.

Ill be the first to have a streaming auto MBL from punksbusted.com too. :D

I was worried they were just giving PCers CoD4 as a token, with no support, and investing all their energy in consoles.

ill be heading to your server :)

[Lt Davis]

I'd rather have nothing than PB... But oh well. Our fate is sealed.

[Kadath]

Why is no anticheat better than pb?

[Pickerd]

PB has alot of tools for server admins, if the admin takes the time to learn how to use them effectively. Hooking your punkbuster up to Punksbusted, a third party organization that streams a master ban list to every server that uses their service, it takes the most effective anti-cheat out, and turns it into the iron curtain. Cheaters will get caught, and will get banned, and if the infraction is severe enough, they will get globally banned from punkbuster itself. Global bans are a hardware ban, and bans you from ALL games that use punkbuster. Only way around that ban is to buy a new harddrive, net card and game.

All pb screenshots taken on your server get uploaded to pbs, and if any cheat is detected, it gets added to the mbl. It also streams your pb logs and if anyone on your server gets caught with a known cheat, and auto-kicked, it will also add them to the mbl. With literally thousands of servers hooked up with pbs, it makes PB itself VERY effective.

[Whiskey]

Why is no anticheat better than pb?

Punkbuster DOES cause a lot of technical problems for many people...it runs fine once they get sorted out, but from past experience, they can be VERY frustrating in the short-term.

[Pickerd]

I cant disagree there. When they added the new processes, I was getting kicked all the time cause the they wouldnt start up when I joined a server. It got sorted very fast and I dont have that prob anymore, but was a pain for a bit.

Necessary evil though. I like a fair playing field. Ppl who can't handle playing like crap that they resort to cheats need to not be in my server.

[hurricane04343]

Only way around that ban is to buy a new harddrive, net card and game.

Or a hack that costs $5 dollars a month.

PB can be effective once the admin uses all his/her tools available. The only problem is that a lot of server admins don't know about the MBL. A good thing to do is to find a clan server that you get a good ping on with good admins. Sometimes, good admins can be better than anti-cheat.

[Iwantcable]

Or a hack that costs $5 dollars a month.

PB can be effective once the admin uses all his/her tools available. The only problem is that a lot of server admins don't know about the MBL. A good thing to do is to find a clan server that you get a good ping on with good admins. Sometimes, good admins can be better than anti-cheat.

Right on :salute:

P.S. I tried to play BF2 tonight:
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[Hitman]

Why don't a large company like Activision (Best company I think), Make there own anti cheat system. Why do they have to rely on another company. Damit, Punkbuster sucks as it is.

That's my opinion.

[Pickerd]

Your absolutely right. PB is alright on its own, but in the hands of a capable admin it's great. I don't agree that a good admin is better than an anti-cheat tool though. There is no way an admin knows, without tools like pb, that someone is running a wallhack, or aimbot, or hooking the game in some way without guessing, or the cheater is retardedly obvious.

In the end, there is now way I can convince anyone in a forum that something is good when they are determined to debate it. It only pushes ppl to get further entrenched in their positions and more unwilling see past their own experiences.

In the end, anti-cheat is good for my piece of mind, and Ive been adming with PB since way back in the sof2 days, so im comfortable and confident with the tools. For me, I couldn't be happier.

See you all on the bf.

[ihavenoname]

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[Heydude235]

PB is good but not the best. There will be hacks used that pb wont see. There are hacks right now for cod 1 that pb does not see. So i hope IW is not going to stick with PB for cod 4 forever. They need to make there own anti cheat software.

hmmm lets just hope we dont go thru the same crap as bf2.

You wont cod has much better support from PB then bf has. Also cod has some features that help in catching hackers that bf did not have. Like punkbuster screen shots. They took a ss of what is on your screen and the admin of the server could view them.

Cod 4 will have hackers but i suggest you play it on the xbox 360 if you hate the fact that there will be hackers. Because there is very few hackers on the consoles.

[Iwantcable]

PB is good but not the best. There will be hacks used that pb wont see. There are hacks right now for cod 1 that pb does not see. So i hope IW is not going to stick with PB for cod 4 forever. They need to make there own anti cheat software.



You wont cod has much better support from PB then bf has. Also cod has some features that help in catching hackers that bf did not have. Like punkbuster screen shots. They took a ss of what is on your screen and the admin of the server could view them.

Cod 4 will have hackers but i suggest you play it on the xbox 360 if you hate the fact that there will be hackers. Because there is very few hackers on the consoles.

BF2/2142 had PB SS... In fact I was banned from a server for fog hacking when my PB SS came up black. Fortunately it was just a problem with the pnkbstrA.exe and I got it all sorted out.

[hurricane04343]

PB Screenshots are useless IMO. First of all, most admins don't even know how to use it. Many don't even know what it is. Second, where do you find the pb screenshots? I took a few, but they didn't save anywhere on my computer. Third, almost any private hack has a anti-pbss, where your screen comes up like a normal game, even if you have wall hacking big time. And the ones that don't have this pretty much are those people with the hacks that are already detected or are really obvious.

[Nike]

Awesome news. Glad IW came to their senses and listened to us. No Anti-cheat for the first few patches in both CoD1 and 2 (uo had it out the gate, but then grey matter studios rock) made me pretty bitter. Not puting it in CoD2 out the gate was a really bad move, and so happy they didn't repeat.

Ill be the first to have a streaming auto MBL from punksbusted.com too. :D

I was worried they were just giving PCers CoD4 as a token, with no support, and investing all their energy in consoles.

O crap...im sick of pb nd their crap ......when it updates all servers kick me nd it always happens so im done wid pb nd dis crap. When i get a server No pb on it..

[Spik3d]

O crap...im sick of pb nd their crap ......when it updates all servers kick me nd it always happens so im done wid pb nd dis crap. When i get a server No pb on it..

Have fun. :rolleyes: You'll get all those kiddies that use public hacks.

[Whiskey]

Looking over many different forums, it seems that a lot of the people who have technical issues with Punkbuster, also have a lot of "junk" apps installed/running on their PC's as well. There's a trend there.

[DeRuiter[75thR]]

yea, PB is great against hackers but it always gives problems...although there is pb in bf2 and it doesn't really **** you up. Never had a problem with pb in bf2....well besides that time when i installed vista and didn't run as Admin :P

[Heydude235]

Hmmm really well i did not think BF had it because it suppered 64 players online.
But cod the pbss would be take automatically and saved into a ftp that the server people could tell you how to use. Everyone i know in cod knows how to use it. BF is a lot bugger so i would image that PB had some issues with it.

[Retribate]

This is awesome news:yay:


COD2 on release had no anti-cheat and it backfired in a big way, it has resolved itself now but took a good 12 months to do so.

To release game with pb will make cod4 even more of a winner:salute:

I know now that when i jump on mp that the hackers will be cleaned out after a while.

should make it compulsory to pb stream every server out there

[Lt Davis]

I'm having another wave of nausea now...

[Retribate]

I'm having another wave of nausea now...


:laugh::laugh::laugh:

yeah yeah i know i,m late with my post but better late then never.

What other anti cheats are there that they could use anyways? yeah pb can be a sucker some of the time but all in all it a good move.

[Lt Davis]

They could make their own................................

[Whiskey]

They could make their own................................

People really have no idea how difficult that is.

[Heydude235]

People really have no idea how difficult that is.

If there able to make this kick *** game with a full single player and multi player with great graphics using direct x 9. With versions for the 360 ps3 and PC. Also have a public beta with a single player demo soon to be released all in 2 years. They would have no problem.

Cod 4 will be fine with punkbuster but there will still be hackers so im going to stick to the 360 version for pub play and play in leagues on the pc where there might be anti cheat software for the league.

[sike3000]

nooooooooo, dont use punkbuster is ruined bf2 dont ruin this loverly game

[Whiskey]

If there able to make this kick *** game with a full single player and multi player with great graphics using direct x 9. With versions for the 360 ps3 and PC. Also have a public beta with a single player demo soon to be released all in 2 years. They would have no problem.

They've had a lot of practice making FPS games. They do not have a lot of experience making an anti-cheat program.

AC is a very specialized field, and just because you're good at making games doesn't mean you can make a good anti-cheat.

It's like asking a brain surgeon to do a heart operation. Both require a lot of smarts, but also a lot of training and information.

If they did decide to do it, it would likely require several yrs and the recruitment of outside programmers. They would also then have to worry about staff to keep it updated and always learning about new hax. For very large companies, it might be worth it, both from a time and money perspective, for for most it's not.

[Pickerd]

where do you find the pb screenshots? I took a few, but they didn't save anywhere on my computer.

In the servers pb folder, not your pc's.

Third, almost any private hack has a anti-pbss

Which is by-passing PB's coding and will result in a global hardware ban. Also, PB has changed. It can and does detect private cheats.

And the ones that don't have this pretty much are those people with the hacks that are already detected

Which is why Punksbusted.com & PBBans.com are getting more and more popular with server admins. Hacks that get detected don't get back in our servers. Perma-ban.

In the end, Im willing to bet most ppl who have issues with PB are the same types of gamers that have 40+ processes running in the background when gaming. Use software like Norton anti-virus and are mostly inept at working there problems. Instead, they would rather complain on forums. Leading ppl to believe there is problems when most of the time there isn't.

Ive had a few probs with pb, sure. But if I add up the time lost cause of the probs compared to my overall gaming time, things like my power going out, or winxp crashes amount to more lost time than any PB issue. All about perspective.