Freezing with new 7600GTS

[cloakster]

Read everything please: I just installed a EVGA 7600 GTS on my computer. Everything went fine with the installation and the card runs beautifully. After installing it i was able to play BF2 for a many hours without any problems. Today after playing about 1 hour of BF2 my whole comp freezes. It also happened when playing FEAR so its not BF2. Im either suspecting my PSU or that the card is over heating. Temp while idle: 54-55C full load: 65-68C. It may go about 2-3C higher but i havent checked the temps constantly while playing. My PSU is 350W with 12v @ 16A. The minimum requirements is 350W with 12v @ 18A. BTW I am using the forceware 84.21 drivers. Does anyone know what would be causing this? Any help is appreciated.

Full specs:
MSI RS480M2-IL
AMD64 3200+ 2.0Ghz
1gb(2x512mb) DDR400
EVGA 7600GTS
80gb Hitachi HDD
350W PSU

[John Edmo]

The good Sir people may be able to help.
You may need a bigger power supply.
An extra gig of ram would help general play.
Other than that I'm sorry I don't know.

[nonexistentuser]

i had pretty bad overheating problems with my old XfX 6800gt. The problems i had sound like yours do... Eventually my gpu went craazay and started crazy trip inducing rainbow technicolor lightshows on my screen when i put it under any load----> then eventualy it happened everytime i turned the screen on...
it got fried:mad:
and now i have the [GV-NX76T256D-RH Geforce 7600GT (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814125025)] which has heatpipes and is realllllly ice cold under load... its flippin svvet:cool:

[DarQu3]

my 7800 GT is chargin! :D :D

as for your problem i have no idea

[turkeybaggins]

Read everything please: I just installed a EVGA 7600 GTS on my computer. Everything went fine with the installation and the card runs beautifully. After installing it i was able to play BF2 for a many hours without any problems. Today after playing about 1 hour of BF2 my whole comp freezes. It also happened when playing FEAR so its not BF2. Im either suspecting my PSU or that the card is over heating. Temp while idle: 54-55C full load: 65-68C. It may go about 2-3C higher but i havent checked the temps constantly while playing. My PSU is 350W with 12v @ 16A. The minimum requirements is 350W with 12v @ 18A. BTW I am using the forceware 84.21 drivers. Does anyone know what would be causing this? Any help is appreciated.

Full specs:
MSI RS480M2-IL
AMD64 3200+ 2.0Ghz
1gb(2x512mb) DDR400
EVGA 7600GTS
80gb Hitachi HDD
350W PSU

I would def suggest a new PSU, i upgraded to a Hiper 580 Watt modular. cleaner power and more of it. I would also suggest bringing your card settings back a little bit too, it'll reduce the stress on the card greatly. I reckon you could do that just by turning the 2xAA you are running! Turn off dynamic lighting and shadows too, theyre a waste of time. I experimented lots with my 7600GT XXX and found a much better mix of settings, i started on all high with 2xAA. It ran fine cos i have a good system but it took me longer to load (not good) and it messed up the TV guided missile (seriousley it did)

Edit - also them temps are not bad. I done some checking when i first got mine, aparently theyre pretty normal loads. Maybe you could use a PCi slot extractor next to it? I have a small fan which blows air thru the front intake on my case, takes about 4/5c off the card alone. Nvidia control panel says the threshold is 115c on my card, runs usually about 50c. so i think you should be ok but its always good to check around.

[cloakster]

So is the PSU about to fail? Are you sure it cant be anything else. Also i was once able to minimize BF2 whie it was frozen.

[Reeps]

sounds very much like its sucking too much power from the 350w psu, most people have 500w or above these days, it might be worth popping into your local pc shop and asking if they have a 2nd hand one you could buy for a few quid just to try it

[turkeybaggins]

well if you have doubts about the PSU then i would try a new one. but try adjusting the video settings to take the strain off the card too, thats the first thing i would try. a good PSU would cost you about £60, i dont know what the equates to in dollars. by the way, curiosity is making me ask, do you have a power connector on the GFX card?

[b` m3ow]

Get a new PSU, 350W aint going to cut it with the 7600 GTS, I got Dual 7600GS and they NEED 450W AT LEAST !!

So get a new PSU and try that.

[cloakster]

do you have a power connector on the GFX card?
no i dont, there no where to put one.

[turkeybaggins]

no i dont, there no where to put one.

ok forget it then, i just had to rule out a possible bad connection :)

have you tried pulling the settings back?

[cloakster]

ok forget it then, i just had to rule out a possible bad connection :)

have you tried pulling the settings back?
I dont have time to try that today, but ill do it tomorrow. Thanks for all the help turkey.

[Trevortt]

agree that it will most likely be the PSU. If ur running on a 350W PSU, and u have motherobard, sound card, gfx card, optical drivers, dvd & cd? network card, RAM, etc all running at once there is great strain on the PSU, therefore it has to run something slower, ie the GFX card maybe your case, therefor its causing ur system to become unstable resulting in a crash.

Like turkeybaggins has suggested a top brand HIPER PSU, will most adequatly do you good in the long run.

[cloakster]

The thing is its not crashing its just freezing and then the sound loops. Also it just did that right when clicked the join game button. Could it be something else?

[turkeybaggins]

possibly when you are clicking join game, its starting to push all that processing thru the GFX card. and with insufficient power it just cant take it. just for now, bring the settings back. it will take a big load off the card, if problem stops then you have more of an idea where the problem lies. its a tough one but everyone seems to agree that the PSU you have just isnt up to the job, if its faling the GFX card then its failing the whole system. so other things will fail :(

[inkdesigner]

I would opt for the PSU being a problem. Your PSU is 350W w/ 12V @16A, but the card needs 350W w 12V @ 18A. Do you see the issue here? The card requires more than your PSU can supply. 2A less may not seem like much, but when you add in sound card, motherboard, hard drivs, etc, having 2A less than the minimum requirement makes a difference. Just go out and get something in the 500W range with dual 12V rails rated at 20A or greater. That will set ya up well for what you have, as well as give you some extra room to grow a bit more.

BTW, add another GB of RAM. You should see some good improvements in gameplay with 2GB.

Inkdesigner

[cloakster]

Thx guys i have turned down the settings. I have only had some problems when clicking join game,but other than that i havent had any problems during gameplay. I was able to play 2 hours straight with no problems. Also i am looking at 2 PSU:
450W
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=15859&vpn=AX450-PN&manufacture=FSP%20GROUP%20USA&promoid=1043

550W
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=19508&vpn=550200&manufacture=MUSHKIN&promoid=1043

[kenof2142]

I'm going to say it's mainly psu not supplying enough power or maxing out causing the crash. You could get a new psu (500W) and if that doesn't solve your problem then you can either keep the psu or return it but using the bare minimum wattage isn't a smart idea since low power can cause parts to break.

I would clean your case, clean up your wiring to allow better flow, add another fan, upgrade your psu and see if that fixes it.

If that doesn't it may be old drivers causing the crash, regcleaner might help you with that ;) . GL

[imported_Killa4live]

Does a 7600GTS actually exist? i believ u have either a 7600GS or a 7600GT.
Please explain.

PS: i have a 300W PSU, and i run my settings all max, with Specs u can find in my sig.
I use about 250W

[cloakster]

Does a 7600GTS actually exist? i believ u have either a 7600GS or a 7600GT.
Please explain.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=20179&vpn=256-P2-N612-TX&manufacture=eVGA

^ Thats the one i got. Its basically a 7600GT with hardware SLI disabled. It is $40 Canadian cheaper so i got it.

For my PSU would the 450W one that i posted above be good, or do i need to get the 550W one?

[imported_Killa4live]

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=20179&vpn=256-P2-N612-TX&manufacture=eVGA

^ Thats the one i got. Its basically a 7600GT with hardware SLI disabled. It is $40 Canadian cheaper so i got it.

For my PSU would the 450W one that i posted above be good, or do i need to get the 550W one?
As said i run a heavier system than you with only 250W being used, so u also could easily cope with a GOOD, read carefully = GOOD, 300W PSU

[cloakster]

Anyone else have an opinion on if that 450W PSU would be good?

[turkeybaggins]

yeh sounds good, dont buy cheap and nasty tho! and it wud never hurt to go higher! like i said. i run a 580watt. prob dont need 580watt but at least it aint struggling to give all the power my pc needs! once you have changed the PSU make sure you regularly blow all the dust and ****e that accumulates inside the case. that'll let everything breathe :)

[hemimotorz]

Well, I would suggest buying a new power supply. Alot of problems can be caused by not having a good PSU. With that said I suggest buying a good PSU. I personaly have a enermax liberty 500w PSU. If you don't buy a good power supply you could wind up with alot of trouble. Such as memory errors blue screens all sorts of weird and unusual behavior. But if you buy a good brand your pretty much set for awhile so its a pretty good investment.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/07/5_power_supplies_get_the_full_juice_treatment/

[cloakster]

Other than the freezing, what are other signs of the PSU failing?

[cloakster]

Ok well now i think that this is not because of my PSU. When its frozen and ive left it for a while without restating it goes to a blue screen and it say an error about nv4_display getting stuck and going into an infinite loop. Ive only gotten this message twice cuz i usually restart right away. The only thing that doesnt make since is how i can sometimes alt-F4 out of the game while its frozen.

[hemimotorz]

Ok well now i think that this is not because of my PSU. When its frozen and ive left it for a while without restating it goes to a blue screen and it say an error about nv4_display getting stuck and going into an infinite loop. Ive only gotten this message twice cuz i usually restart right away. The only thing that doesnt make since is how i can sometimes alt-F4 out of the game while its frozen.

When wierd stuff like that happends...... PSU. but if you don't feel thats correct. RMS that sucker and see what happends

[cloakster]

I did a fresh re-install of the 84.21 drivers and now it seems more like PSU problems and they are even worse now. Ok, now i can play fine for 10 min then it starts to freeze for 5-10 secs and goes back to game play and then freezes again every 5 min. Also i started to get some flickering on my screen. Like a bit on the top and bottom would turn black for half a second and go back. This got really anoying and the freezing made it hard to play.

It also could actually be my windows. Im not sure if this would effect it but im having problems booting into safe mode so i used driver cleaner pro in regular XP and it showed that it deleted nv4_display.dll that was in the windows folder. I was looking later for another file in the windows floder and noticed that nv4_display is part of windows and was put on my computer before i got it. So could it be from this file getting screwed up.

UPDATE: Well, now i cant play BF2 without it freezing within the first min, then either disconnecting me from the server or going to the BSOD and showing the nv4_display error. Im pretty pissed that i re-installed.

[GhOsT55]

600 Watt SLI GAMING PSU BABY!

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/power_management/ocz_nvidia_sli_ready_gamexstream_power_supply

[UNDIESRULES]

Dont cross temperature off your list though, i have a 7800gt that did something similar at 61 degrees, added an x1 cooler and solved the problem.