Xp and DX9 or Vista and DX10?

[ReaperOfsouls]

I was told that DX10 will be useless with out vista for the game so I am wondering what you all are planing to do?

Upgrade to vista and your GFX cards to fully compatible DX10 cards when they come out of stick with XP and DX9.

I am still up in the air on this personally. I have read reveiws for this game that say that the diffrence from DX9 to DX10 is like comparing XBOX to XBOX 360. This makes me want to upgrade to vista as soon as the game comes out but its kinda stupid to but the new OS right off the bat until you know what people are saying about it and how secure it is.

So at this point in time I do not know but I think I am leaning toward getting VISTA just so I can play this game so it looks like it does in all these videos.

My system Specs:

AMD Athlon 3700 (Plan to get a new CPU if I get vista for this game)
2 gigs of ram (I think thats plenty, even for vista)
7900 GTX 256 MB with 520 mhz Core Clock Speed (If I go for vista/dx10 I plan to get a pair of SLI Nvidia DX10 cards when they come out)

What do you all think about all this shtick I just typed lol.

EDIT:

GI: The game is heading to the PC this winter, but most likely you’ll be hitting before Windows Vista is released. Are you going to have a DX10 patch for the game after Vista is released?

Yerli: No, it will be integrated. We already have DX10 footage – it was shown at the Microsoft Press Conference. The 360 trailer (shown in the EA booth) that’s DX10 as well. The video is captured from actual DX10 hardware.

Does this mean that you do not need vista to enjoy all the features of DX10?

[AT39]

Reaper, you NEED Vista to run DX10. DX10 is built so deeply into Vista they couldn't put it in XP. Vista will be required for any DX10 usage.

I for one will be getting the game as soon as it is released this year, and will be upgrading to Vista almost the day it comes out. Yerli even stated that it will run better in Vista even in DX9 mode.

I won't be building a DX10 rig until I have enough money to blow to get all of the best parts (around $3000). So I will play through the game once in DX9 mode, and then DX10 mode when vista comes out. IDK, maybe I will upgrade to a more affordable ($300) DX10 card when Vista comes out. We'll see how stuff pans out.

[ReaperOfsouls]

I just got done building this rig 3 months ago but I was on a tight budget, still am but I am not getting vista untill I have enough money to get DX10 SLI's.

[PuertoRecon]

My new rig is only 4 months old. I have a 7950 ( I got it after the initial build ) and 2 gigs of ram, Dual AMD processor.

I am going to see how it runs with dx9 and XP. Once I have the money I will upgrade to vista, play it in dx10 with my 7950.

Then, I plan to buy the fully compatible card.

[Killa4live]

Very funny, comparing a console from 2001 to a one out 2006, to DX9 latest things(2006) and new DX10 cards(2006).
Pure ********.

[ReaperOfsouls]

I do not care how they compare it, the game still looks good.

[PuertoRecon]

I do not care how they compare it, the game still looks good.

Ditto. I dont care how much money I need to save to make this game run all on high, it looks like nothing I've seen before.

[hakojako]

if vista is good for gaming witch i herd it runs pretty smoothly then ill upgrade i could care less about the DX10 i donno what it is..i think its a graphics card

[PuertoRecon]

if vista is good for gaming witch i herd it runs pretty smoothly then ill upgrade i could care less about the DX10 i donno what it is..i think its a graphics card

DX10 is an upgrade from DirectX9, it is not a video card.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX10

[ReaperOfsouls]

its the software that drive the game.

[Killa4live]

Everyone forgot about gameplay?

[Kradath]

I already got the money for a new pc with dx10 and vista. :D

I just have to wait for them to come out.

[Noobownage11]

I am saving money for vista and dx 10.

[PuertoRecon]

Anyone know the cost for the OS system or the price range for the DX10 cards?

[ReaperOfsouls]

Everyone forgot about gameplay?

Game Play will own I am not worried about it.

[PuertoRecon]

Game Play will own I am not worried about it.

Yes it will, the different types of game modes are posted in another thread btw ;)

[Reaper6x3]

question is, when does the dx10 GPU's come out? arent they coming out next year, like january or feb. Or will a 7900 or like most 7950 be able to play it great with vista. Sometime next year I hope to buy and build my first sli rig.

But rest asure we will get the demo a see if we can play it with our many different rigs. But yea I wanna upgrade to get the full advantage of its beauty.

[ReaperOfsouls]

I built my first rig a couple of months ago and I don't think switch to SLI will be all that hard, just need a new PSU.

[PuertoRecon]

I saw somewhere that 3 GB is recommended for optimal play. Maybe its changing with vista, since XP doesn't recognize anything more than 2 GB for gaming.

All we can do is wait for the demo...If crytek said that they will go 2 years in the past and 1 1/2 in the future, then I will trust them.

[ReaperOfsouls]

Ill was thing about buying anotehr gig and getting 3 any way.

Now what I was thinking makes sence lol.

[PuertoRecon]

Im still wondering about those DX10 cards...I think they will be pretty expensive. I have 700$ saved so far but I still want to know.

[ReaperOfsouls]

I hope that the 256 mb's wont be higher than the current 300 dollers if they are I am up the creek lol.

[PuertoRecon]

I heard a 8800 is around the 500-600 price range :shock:

[ReaperOfsouls]

I have not ehrd anything seeings how there are not even any solid dx10 cards out.

If you read the newist article the devlopter says that they get new graphics cards daily becasue they are still making tweaks to the hardware (the manufactures)

[PuertoRecon]

I have not ehrd anything seeings how there are not even any solid dx10 cards out.

If you read the newist article the devlopter says that they get new graphics cards daily becasue they are still making tweaks to the hardware (the manufactures)

Yes, I read how they get new drivers every single day...Like I've said before, I think its better if we take this mental weight off for now, wait for more information or probably the demo, and then decide about our rigs.

[AT39]

Yeah, the Crytek guys have actual DX10 hardware to work with, but I think it will be around Christmas, or CES 2007 that we get some solid numbers on this stuff.

[Noobownage11]

Yeah, the Crytek guys have actual DX10 hardware to work with, but I think it will be around Christmas, or CES 2007 that we get some solid numbers on this stuff.


Naw man no one really has dx 10 stuff that's why no dx 10 support at launch.

[PuertoRecon]

They do have windows vista drivers, so its hard to imagine that they dont have DX10 when they are working so "closely" with microsoft.

[Kradath]

Of course they got DX10 cards otherwise how should they work on it? :P

They simply can't bring them out for shows.

[ReaperOfsouls]

Ya but as the article said the hardware and drivers itself have not been finalized.

[Kradath]

That's true. They only got beta hardware.

[DarQraven]

According to MS, DX10/Vista will boost hardware performance a lot. Even if it isn't DX10 certified, the whole build-up of Vista is different, for more efficient resource use. So I dunno about all this. I'm getting my new rig in 4 days (without GPU, I'm buying that separately) and I'm considering an X1900XT 512mb card.
That should be able to run everything on high for a year or so at least, and then I can see whether I want to switch to Vista/DX10 hardware.

And I think someone got some info wrong here. Not having DX10 hardware does not mean the game will look any worse. It will simply decrease performance because the unsupported features will have to be emulated by the software rendering. (Which is a lot slower than with hardware support).
So, as long as your rig is good enough, you will be able to play Crysis with all features turned on and fully functional, you just cannot run it at 80fps consistently.

[Kradath]

In the most points you are right, but there are effects that only aDX10 card can display, it isn't just performance. But except that, you are completely right.

[PuertoRecon]

If you want to see what DX10 is going to offer you just need to see that real life/ Crysis comparison pic ;)

[AT39]

If you want to see what DX10 is going to offer you just need to see that real life/ Crysis comparison pic ;)

Those are prerendered target pictures. They mean nothing really, there have not been very many actual DX10 videos. There were a couple from a while ago, just shoret 30 second clips, no actual gameplay in DX10.

[DarQraven]

Yeah that pic looks awesome, but what you're seeing there is just really good modeling/design/engine programming. Computers can take a lot more than a year ago, which is why you wouldn't see graphics like these under DX9. If hardware would have been as powerful as they are now, this could have been done using DX9 only, minus a few high-tech effects like SSS and DOF. (those 2 have been confirmed to work on current high-end cards. My guess anything above X1700/1800 will be able to emulate most if not all of dx10's effects.)

Just look at the xbox360. One of the release games had motion blur, and that was under an altered version of dx9. So that definitely is possible. SSS isn't that new, cad programs have been able to do it for ages; maybe games will be able to do it now. HDRI just utilizes lighting maps with a higher range, no special hardware is needed for that. (except maybe SM3.0)
AA and AF are prehistoric technologies, so obviously those will work too. I think the limit will be using them all together. I don't think any cards under x1900 / 7900 will be able to do that properly, and I'm not even sure about those two either.

We'll just have to see. All I'm saying is: if you want to buy a pc/upgrade now, just do it. Before DX10 hardware will be stocked/at a reasonable price or even actually REQUIRED, it will be a long time from now.

[ReaperOfsouls]

Ya I think I am just going to get vista as my first upgrade since they say DX9 runs better on it then XP and then slowly build up my rig.

[Noobownage11]

more info on DX 10: http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTA0NSwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX

[PuertoRecon]

That's pretty much the general information you find anywhere.

[Akuma]

I will just go with vista for now and use the DX9L.
From what I here I should see a gain eather way
with leaving XP behind.

Just one Game Dosent realy compell me to snach-up
A basic version at 300$ plus a card that myte reach the
800 doller tag.
Plus I already need a new CPU, Wich is just over 500$.
FX-57 that is.
Ill give it some time on DX9.:D

[jodoanyore]

Of course they got DX10 cards otherwise how should they work on it? :P

They simply can't bring them out for shows.

question is, when does the dx10 GPU's come out? arent they coming out next year, like january or feb. Or will a 7900 or like most 7950 be able to play it great with vista. Sometime next year I hope to buy and build my first sli rig.

But rest asure we will get the demo a see if we can play it with our many different rigs. But yea I wanna upgrade to get the full advantage of its beauty.

DX10 is an upgrade from DirectX9, it is not a video card.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX10

Ok you guys are a little confused. Here some help:

- Yes DX10 is the upgrade of DX9. And it's software.
- There are no DX10 video cards in the market now.
- Your current video card will run Vista because it will use DX9.L
- Your current video card won't run DX10 native games. You will need a DX10 video card for that.
- The demos you have seen of crysis are emulating DX10, because there's no HW capable to run DX10 now.

Here some interesting links.

Interview with C. Yerli (CEO of Crytek) about DX10 (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1989816,00.asp)

Some DX10 notes (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931918,00.asp)

[PuertoRecon]

We are confuseD? :confused: :confused:

Sorry, but all the points you made there are all of the points we have covered.

[jodoanyore]

We are confuseD? :confused: :confused:

Sorry, but all the points you made there are all of the points we have covered.

i made a mistake quoting you...:hmm:

[ReaperOfsouls]

We are confuseD? :confused: :confused:

Sorry, but all the points you made there are all of the points we have covered.

What he said.

[PuertoRecon]

i made a mistake quoting you...:hmm:

Well, I have someone who agrees with me, so... ;)

What he said.

[jodoanyore]

Well, I have someone who agrees with me, so... ;)

But you have to agree that the links I post are very helpfull :D, specially the interview with the CEO of Crytek.

[PuertoRecon]

But you have to agree that the links I post are very helpfull :D

Yeah, I'l give you that :D

[uh_oh]

Is dx9.0L out now?

[PuertoRecon]

DirectX 9 "L"?

DirectX9 IS what we use now...

[uh_oh]

im using c still where is L ????

[sR Dukefrukem]

its on Windows Vista.

[PuertoRecon]

its on Windows Vista.

Yep.

Should've made post #47 clearer, sorry.

[ReaperOfsouls]

I am kinda excited about vista lol.

[Zyxthior]

I'm hanging out with XP until I absolutely have to upgrade...

I figure I'll let all you guys deal with the bugs and security issues and wait for a few months until a Service Pack gets released to deal with all the problems....

God I'm such a pessimist :P

[ReaperOfsouls]

I dont intend to use vista for anything that might have a security risk, just for games.

[AT39]

I've got Vista RC2 installed on my machine right now, and I can say that I like it. It is fairly fast, sometimes even faster than XP, but there is still a bunch of compatability stuff that has to be worked out before it ships in Q1 '07.

[dBs]

You will have to have a Vista capable machine because DirrectX 9L is exclusive (at this point) to Vista: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35140

[PuertoRecon]

I've got Vista RC2 installed on my machine right now, and I can say that I like it. It is fairly fast, sometimes even faster than XP, but there is still a bunch of compatability stuff that has to be worked out before it ships in Q1 '07.

Isn't RC2 only a beta version?

[AT39]

Isn't RC2 only a beta version?

Yes it is. Why?

[PuertoRecon]

Just wanted to make sure, I haven't tried it. If the beta is fast, that means the retail should be faster (I hope) ;)

[Warmonger41]

I dont think Dx10 will be as great as Microsoft says it will be. I think their just putting it on this ever growing pedistal, then when it comes out alot of people are gonna buy a dx 10 card (with vista) and see very little display/performance increases compared to others with xp and dx9.

Im sticking with xp and dx 9, I just dont have enough $$ for that kind of gaming rig. I dont think its worth it, but maybe thats just because I dont have the $$. idk

[Akuma]

Xp right now beats vista in gaming perfomance.
Those who grab it like hotcakes off the shelves will be sorry.

In the future it will be faster . but right now it just isnt.
And im betting your sound will take a major shot to the kidneys on vista.:cry:

[PuertoRecon]

Xp right now beats vista in gaming perfomance.

That's beause Vista's full potential is not being used yet.

[Warmonger41]

Hey Akuma, what do you mean by

And im betting your sound will take a major shot to the kidneys on vista.

[Akuma]

Well keep in mind im still looking for info on this and will let you know what I find. I realy want to sort this out since im looking at picking up a XF-I card.

But what I understand, and please correct me if im wrong,
That vista is making a move in ther sound drivers
and dropping 3d audio exelaration and EAX?

From what im gathering those who do not have soundcards
in there rigs will feel the punch. Not to sure, But i guess the ones who are bata testing vista are the only ones who realy have the comments we would like,or not like to here.

Something to do with Open AL and vista,s sound API.
I myself am hopeing im jumping the gun so-to-speak.

Since sound is a really big part of my games.:p

Im a little slow in the head so Im ganna have to read this a few times to make since of it.

LINK>http://www.openal.org/openal_vista.html

[Warmonger41]

I have a crappy sound card that I know nothing about so am I going to be ok? Obviously I could get much better sound quality with a better sound card but is it gonna help that much over intergrated sound.

Since I dont know the specs, just asume its about the worst sound card you can buy. I think it was $15. lol