Cloaking ability

[Steakslim]

In all the videos shown, I don't think they've yet revealed the cloaking effect in the game (though I'm sure we all have a good idea what it looks like obviously). I'm just wondering how it looks against all the lighting effects and such.

[Revoluti0n]

It might be something similar to what was shown in the "Predator" movies. I guess it really depends on the videocard used.

[Appclypse]

na i would have thought it would look like a relativly normal cammo, i just changes colours to match the colour that would be behind you. Hence the name i think (active camo).

I'm, like everyone, very unsure about this but that was my impression from what i have read about it. I would be curious to find out how the shadows would work, for example at night will the camo go coal black. And what might happen if you go in water, nothing to do with shadows but that might be interresting.

[DarQraven]

Maybe they have shown it in one of their videos, but since it was working very well, we didn't see it;)

As far as I know, the easiest way to 'cloak' a model would be to apply a refraction map (or it's DirectX equivalent) to the whole thing, with a low refraction index. That would make it transparent, except along the edges of the model, where it would distort the view. Of course, then you'd have a 100% invisible player, so I guess they'd do something like 90% refraction, 10% 'usual maps'.

...or I'm thinking way too complicated now, and they just fade the model back to 10% visibility;)

[Appclypse]

I don't like the thought of a load of players running around completely invisible i would rather it be just like i said.

[lavbanka]

It should be something like 2142's active cammo.

[Appclypse]

never played 2142 what was that like?

[lavbanka]

Something like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZcpxy3gHR8

[Appclypse]

Hmm thats to invisible for my liking, i would rather have a camoflage that jsut changes, it would be better because it would last longer and wouldn't make it impossibly difficult to find the snipers when they are hiding around the place.

Anyway has anyone else thought that how are the guns supposed to be invisible if this is only near future? I don't by the whole bending light thing.

[lavbanka]

I remember reading somewhere that scientists have successfully made a can invisible (now I don't know if this is true, but I think they put some kind of a cloth thingy on it.) It wasn't actually invisible but when you look at it you would not see it. I think if they are making those kinds of things now than in 50 years they would be able to make bigger things, such as humans invisible. Weapens I still don't know.

Oh and I found a picture of the nano suit in cloak mode ----->

You see it? (Get it ;)

[Revoluti0n]

Hmm thats to invisible for my liking, i would rather have a camoflage that jsut changes, it would be better because it would last longer and wouldn't make it impossibly difficult to find the snipers when they are hiding around the place.

Anyway has anyone else thought that how are the guns supposed to be invisible if this is only near future? I don't by the whole bending light thing.

Can't please everyone. Besides, that is what practice is for, right. You might just be more comfortable playing the safer and prenerfed console version. The thing is that the game was designed to push the limits of graphical know-how. I think it would truly suck if they just made it all lame. I cannot stand when people want PC games to be as easy and limited as console games.
Either way cloaking is going to be a part of the game. Some will get really good at the game other won't and will cry and whine eventually calling for a nerfing of everything that makes the game fun and competitive. It's never a good thing when developers compromise their artistic visioin to make a small minority of gamers happy. It jeopardizes the entire integrity of the game and what it is supposed to represent.

[Appclypse]

wow hold on here, your assuming im some noob who thinks consoles are the way forward??? I am thinking of Gameplay here, if everyone can become invisible really easily why wouldn't they, how much would it suck if you have a good spot someone runs past your door and you open fire on them, hit them say once. You come out of the door and you can't see where they went only to find that they have gone invisible and are standing infront of you when they pull the trigger.

It kills aspects of gameplay if you can become completely invisible when ever you want, whats to stop you going invisible every time you come under fire. There is no skill in escaping from somewhere when you can't be seen.

No Point in Owning the Game for if its Graphics if you acctually dread playing it.

[Revoluti0n]

wow hold on here, your assuming im some noob who thinks consoles are the way forward???
It was just a suggestion. You seem to think that the camo available in 2142 is way too much. It's a very logical conslusion. In addition, I said nothing about you being "noob". Don't make assumptions. ;)

I am thinking of Gameplay here, if everyone can become invisible really easily why wouldn't they, how much would it suck if you have a good spot someone runs past your door and you open fire on them, hit them say once. You come out of the door and you can't see where they went only to find that they have gone invisible and are standing infront of you when they pull the trigger.

It kills aspects of gameplay if you can become completely invisible when ever you want, whats to stop you going invisible every time you come under fire. There is no skill in escaping from somewhere when you can't be seen.

No Point in Owning the Game for if its Graphics if you acctually dread playing it.

I'm also thinking of gameplay. I don't remember reading that you can become completely invisible either, again with the assumptions. I don't understand, why would you dread playing the game? Because it's too competitive? Because some are better than you? Because you cannot completely own within the first 2 minutes you play it? That is why I suggest the console, it's safer.

[Appclypse]

It was just a suggestion. You seem to think that the camo available in 2142 is way too much. It's a very logical conslusion. In addition, I said nothing about you being "noob". Don't make assumptions. ;)



I'm also thinking of gameplay. I don't remember reading that you can become completely invisible either, again with the assumptions. I don't understand, why would you dread playing the game? Because it's too competitive? Because some are better than you? Because you cannot completely own within the first 2 minutes you play it? That is why I suggest the console, it's safer.


Ok fair enough maybe I over reacted a little, sorry.
And Dread i suppose might not be the right word, but i think you can understand how it could ruin certain aspects of the game.

[Whiteplague]

I remember reading somewhere that scientists have successfully made a can invisible (now I don't know if this is true, but I think they put some kind of a cloth thingy on it.) It wasn't actually invisible but when you look at it you would not see it. I think if they are making those kinds of things now than in 50 years they would be able to make bigger things, such as humans invisible. Weapens I still don't know.

Oh and I found a picture of the nano suit in cloak mode ----->

You see it? (Get it ;)

it is true, but they were only able to make it invisible to certain wavelengths, i believe right now they are able to make objects seem as though they arent there by applying x rays or something, the xrays dont recognize that the object is there they just go around instead of going into

yes i got your joke :p

[Appclypse]

LOL tad balky to carry a hole xray thingy around with ya. Imagine trying to set it up then pushing the wrong button under fire :D :p whoops!!!!

[lavbanka]

Imagine you in cloaking mode and saying "A-ha, you can't see me now can you?" With you carrying the huge, visible, x-ray thingy.:rofl:

[Appclypse]

***BANG***
"YH not so smart now are we buddy!!!!!!!!!!!"
lol that will 'em.

[Whiteplague]

you will be able to see guns ewhile cloaked?

it seems stupid if your gun still shows up, i guess youll just have to switch to hand to hand combat mode in order to be completely invisble

makes it a tad more realistic even if we are talking about invisibility

[Appclypse]

I still think its active camo as in changing standard camoflage.

[solodude23]

Nah, I would have thought it would look like a relatively normal camo, i just changes colors to match the color that would be behind you. Hence the name i think (active camo).In 2142, 'active camo' is transparency (invisibility), in Halo, 'active camo' is transparency(invisibility), and in many other games active camo is transparency, not just changing color wish the background.

[Appclypse]

Yh but there both ridiculously far into the future arn't they like 200 years it always looks. This is like 50. You can not compare them this to those games i doesn't make sense.
Anyway "active camo" isn't defined by those games, it simply means active camoflage that could mean anything, and seeing as i find it difficult to believe we could have a full invisable camo in 50 years i hope it isn't, it quite possibly will be though.

[civilr]

We already have the method to make someone "invisible", we just don't have the materials and technology. A possible and most likely method would be a suit of camera-embedded screens (the suit including the "cloaking" technology would be estimated to have a width of your average diving suit) and these cameras would basically portray an image onto the opposite side of the object or person.

For this to work flawlessly we would need to build at the atomic level and this technology is already here we just have to advance on it. I am thinking maybe 10 - 15 years (MAX) before you see actual military units with cloaking abilities out in the field. 50 years is a far oversight as things are moving a lot faster now than they were back in the 70's, 80's, and 90's.

[CrysisPwnz]

MGS4, probably more popular than BF2142 and Halo, uses active camo like he describes.

AND its not set more than a century into the future like said games.

And I'd prefer this version too... it would be SO much cooler, invisibility is overrated and dare I say. LAME. Whats to stop you from running in, and smacking everyone one while invisible. Like in every other game. Active camo like in MGS4 would actually require stealth and skill.

[solodude23]

Yh but there both ridiculously far into the future arn't they like 200 years it always looks. This is like 50. You can not compare them this to those games i doesn't make sense.
Anyway "active camo" isn't defined by those games, it simply means active camoflage that could mean anything, and seeing as i find it difficult to believe we could have a full invisable camo in 50 years i hope it isn't, it quite possibly will be though.Have you watched discovery channel lately? :p Look back at civilr's post. It is all true stuff and although it may sound a bit odd but completely real and the potential is great.

[Painmaker]

ROFL! That **** is evil.. I cant wait to see on the news: "Invisible bank robberies everywhere!"

[Appclypse]

ROFL! That **** is evil.. I cant wait to see on the news: "Invisible bank robberies everywhere!"

HAHAHA, that could create more problems then it would solve.

[Vash2051]

Yea but then theyll counter invisibility with heat detection then theyll counter that with temperature controlled suits then theyll counter that by detecting bio signs then theyll counter that by stopping their hearts,wait..... wut?

[Painmaker]

And then the aliens are back and blow earth to pieces!

[Appclypse]

Are you trying to scare me or what????? Cause you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lavbanka]

Yea but then theyll counter invisibility with heat detection then theyll counter that with temperature controlled suits then theyll counter that by detecting bio signs then theyll counter that by stopping their hearts,wait..... wut?
I love the way u said it buddy. :laugh:

[Appclypse]

Hate to be a smartarse but looks like i was right all along with the camoflage :D. It has to be said TOLD YOU SO!!!!!

[Mr.Bubbles43]

HAHAHA, that could create more problems then it would solve.

How would invisible bank robbers solve any problems?:confused:

And you have no right to be a "smartarse" that is my job!!!

[Appclypse]

i said it would cause more than it would solve.

And i am a samrtarse cause i was right about the cloak and i had to rub it in.

[Whiteplague]

this thread confuses me a bit

[Mr.Bubbles43]

this thread confuses me a bit

then my work here is done:cool:

[lavbanka]

Well it did start off as a simple thread than turned into what the future would be and then, well I don't even get it.

[Venomous]

Id rather have halo 2 camo

[Painmaker]

i said it would cause more than it would solve.

And i am a samrtarse cause i was right about the cloak and i had to rub it in.

<3 Being smartass!

[Covert_Fox]

All im doing in Crysis is sniping all i do on bf2 in WOoKie sniper clan if any of you ahve heard of them but this game..and the viewdistance is just what i like and with cloaking devise i can actually snipe from about a mile away and cammo my self cant wait..

[G4NJ]

wow hold on here, your assuming im some noob who thinks consoles are the way forward??? I am thinking of Gameplay here, if everyone can become invisible really easily why wouldn't they, how much would it suck if you have a good spot someone runs past your door and you open fire on them, hit them say once. You come out of the door and you can't see where they went only to find that they have gone invisible and are standing infront of you when they pull the trigger.

It kills aspects of gameplay if you can become completely invisible when ever you want, whats to stop you going invisible every time you come under fire. There is no skill in escaping from somewhere when you can't be seen.

No Point in Owning the Game for if its Graphics if you acctually dread playing it.

The fun of multiplayer gaming is to adapt and overcome, if someone uses camo, they can't have armour/speed or strength, so use that to your advantage
I'd imagine it probably has a time limit like the speed boost for balance reasons too

and in ref to your earlier question about 2142 active camo, it recieved a lot of negative feedback from my clanmembers before they had bought the game but with full screen (as opposed to youtube vid you're reffering to by saying "too invisible") you can see a person with active camo, there is a blur in the middle and hazy line around the edge
it also makes a very distinctive sound so that anyone activating/de activating nearby can be heard for 20m or so (with decent headset)

they might even go the same route as 2142 did and make you incapable of firing whilst using camo


of course this is all wild speculation on my part, but afaik i've seen all the publicly available videos for this game and i wont have anyone say an un-just negative word about it(at very least until they've played it :p)


*edit* well after re-reading the thread it seems like you've had validation on your idea of active camo, i like the sounds of the "matching colour behind you" but in effect is than not what invisibility is?
being able to see through to the other side and behind something, ie. the colours behind
adapt & overcome still stands though imho
this game will be like no other e.g. unlike many games it seems like a standard jeep would offer little or no proetection up close from a soldier who can roll/destroy/freeze/spot or simply disable by popping the tires/shattering windscreen(reducing visibility)


sorry if i'm waxing lyrical, but i just can't w8
especially since this is gonna be first high end game i'll buy that wont require me to upgrade my PC :D

[Whiteplague]

i should think appclypse that it would only be possible to have your weapon while visible just like in BF2, thus killing the possiblity of hiding while camo'd and snping everyone and as many have said on this thread before you wont be 100% invisible

[Appclypse]

Yes that is waht i have said?? Anyway seeing as we now know the capabilites of the cloak why are we still bothering to discuss this?

[Painmaker]

You can have cloak on anytime you want.. It just changes your color and doesnt work like in BF2142. You can shoot and do whatever you like with it on, but moving makes it drain more power.

[G4NJ]

Yes that is waht i have said?? Anyway seeing as we now know the capabilites of the cloak why are we still bothering to discuss this?

sorry didn't see where this was posted, can you link me?

[Vash2051]

Reviving this thread because im kind of disappointed they changed from the color changing suit to an all out invisibility. Anyone else have any feelings on this?

[Iwantcable]

Reviving this thread because im kind of disappointed they changed from the color changing suit to an all out invisibility. Anyone else have any feelings on this?

I didn't even notice they changed it...

[Vash2051]

Yea in some of the older videos you can see how insanely awesome the suit would change to its surroundings. I just can't understand why they changed it.

[JonL]

Yea in some of the older videos you can see how insanely awesome the suit would change to its surroundings. I just can't understand why they changed it.

Like MS4? that would've been cool, and a little more unique.

[Kadath]

Yea in some of the older videos you can see how insanely awesome the suit would change to its surroundings. I just can't understand why they changed it.
Maybe it was a performancekiller or you just where too much visible.

[Vash2051]

my guess is performance. Having the suit change colors based on your location could really bog down a computer. Having it just blur the object on the other side of the suit is a much easier calculation and is not so location based.

[Iwantcable]

I was thinking, did they for sure change the cloaking, or was it just in MP where they changed it for better performance? AI can't tell the difference anyway :p.

[Appclypse]

Reviving this thread because im kind of disappointed they changed from the color changing suit to an all out invisibility. Anyone else have any feelings on this?

Yh so am I, but now its mostly because it means i am now wrong. I don't like being wrong.