The Last Battle Movie Released

[[MyIS]Spawndemon]

We've been sent some news today from BlitzWarTank about his Battlefield 2 movie entitled The Last Battle. The movie took 2 months to make and is featured in the top 5 in the recent machinimasia festival (http://www.machinimasia.org/home/index.jsp?vert=55). Take a look:

A Battlefield 2 machinima based on the Iraq War in 2003, which synchronized well with the music and packed with dramatic combat action and smooth camera angles.

Download Mirrors:
• TotalBF2 (http://totalbf2.filecloud.com/files/file.php?user_file_id=300992)
• FileFront (http://files.filefront.com/The_Last_Battle_HD/;6231739;;/fileinfo.html)

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Be sure to download the movie and check it out. Post all your feedback in this thread!

[NoFear|Evan]

Downloading now, looks pretty good.

Edit: Isn't that good, music is dissapointing.

[Swanston]

Downloading now, this looks pretty cool :nod:.

[RedDot]

I can't wait for Sands of Fire...

From the makers of the Fallen One, Little_Donkey and the Belgian Battlefield-clan LRRP (Long Range Recce Patrol). :D

[snipers]

Sorry but didn't like it at all.
-Plays in "fast forward" motion.
-No scenario....
Same as hundreds videos around. A typical video of a Bf battle. Only positive i found is 1 or 2 aerial motion Blurred parts above Karkand!

And i agree with NoFear|Evan.
Music is SO false for this kind of videos.

[Sike]

seemed alright at first. but it want that good.

[:ROGUEwolf]

Where to start, it was a great opening, the Command and Conquer generals BattleShip scene was so corney, the story was false.

Now im not getting into this debate again, but that video shows that Ohh we are America we went into iraq and kicked ***, NO WRONG!

The Reason for Invasion, To stop the Terrorist Threat & To free the people of Iraq..........Yes i know what most people are thinking, is this person deluded?, my answer if they or anyone believes in anything they just saw is deluded, open your frickin eyeballs and smell the coffee and realise what all of the Invasion of iraq was about because it certainly was'nt about terrorism and was Deffinately not about freeing people of iraq. Number 2 the US invaded Iraq in 2001 early 2002, not 2003.

So in all the movie was crap. BUT!! i'll turn the other way and say how it was put together, and how the graphics were shown, it was ok.

Film in General: 3/10
Storyline: -10/10
Composing: 5/10

NEXT......

[Shrooms(Scott)]

I liked the editing, nice job on that part, but the camera shook too much and went too fast and I thought the music didn't go well with it. and the battle could have been scripted instead of people running around like headless chickens

pretty average filming, editing was awesome.

overall it was ok 6.7/10

[troll_hammer2020]

8 weeks for this your jking right .
nothing i havent seen before or will prob see again.
my movies may be crap but then i never said they were good .
or exspect ppl to think their good its just me messing about.
i use fraps, windows movie maker and none of them took more than 2 Hrs to make.
im sure anybody with a gr8 PC the right software a team of lads to help and 8 weeks.
could do a lot better then this its just more of the same old stuff .
nice eye candy but thats about it, shame i was hoping for much more :confused:
just looks like 8 weeks of messing about with FX to me
bring back vids like mine where its not just pointless fragging and FXs plz
and if you are trying to tell some sort of story no matter how dodgey try having a story to begin with .
not just tack it on like some ribbon on a pig at a fair next time .
in short its totaly pointless ,
how many more us yanks kick *** vids are we going to have to put up with.
and this won something thats the crazy part ....
sorry was in the top 5 ...

[Justito]

Not that bad and no perfect.
Just fine. ;)

[imported_Devolutionist]

Production is really good - a hell of a lot better than most I've seen. However, it just doesn't click for me.

[Sir. AAK625]

Very nice editing.

[Travers1111]

best editing ive seen soo far(how did they get those swooping banks???) but its was average about everything else, and i didnt really like that the whole film was in fast forward. Considering this was made just with bots and 1 guy, i think this is really good!!!


PS. didnt like the music :D

[USARANGER]

well, the only thing keeping me from stoping my download is that im really really bored and cant go out cause all my friends are away for thanksgiving. il tell you how i (dis)like it once iv watched it

[Venomous]

i saw to many bugs and glitches in it like the rocket going threw the Abrams all the bots getting shot in the face 20 times pathetic grenade launchers not making the explosion animation. My advice is edit some the game settings so it looks more relastic and get some second opions on it before putting it out

[Jblankster]

finally a movie with this map (karkand with the jets and choppers) 10 outta 10 on this movie :D

[Drunken_x_Boxer]

Excellent editing but the story line was horrible. Dont base a video on a real life scenario and then have absolutely nothing accurate about it in the video.

[Desertfox]

Editing is the only thing this movie has got going for it :-/ The camera shakes WAY too much. Its un-scripted, the only thing its missing from a reg karkand battle is nade spam :-/ How did this win top 5:-/ I guess its unscripted because its single player but w/e

[AcePilotman17]

Now im not getting into this debate again, but that video shows that Ohh we are America we went into iraq and kicked ***, NO WRONG!

The Reason for Invasion, To stop the Terrorist Threat & To free the people of Iraq..........Yes i know what most people are thinking, is this person deluded?, my answer if they or anyone believes in anything they just saw is deluded, open your frickin eyeballs and smell the coffee and realise what all of the Invasion of iraq was about because it certainly was'nt about terrorism and was Deffinately not about freeing people of iraq. Number 2 the US invaded Iraq in 2001 early 2002, not 2003.


NEXT......

FALSE
When stating one's opinions, one should provide factual information.

[dub]

FALSE
When stating one's opinions, one should provide factual information.

brilliant :laugh:

[Desertfox]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

[Swoosher]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

That sums it up well. ;)

5/10 video. I was expecting something a lot better though when I saw the karkand pics with choppers and planes.

[Kenshin49]

Editing and shots were kinda cool but if you're looking for something more than an action packed short film on Karkand (with all vehicles), look somewhere else.

[Papi4baby]

Editing rocked. But that's about it. Because of the slow motion like camera effect, or whatever it was, you can see what the BF2 engine is all about. You can see the guys neck strech and all the good stuff. It is a great idea for the movie, but just does not fit right. Guys come on dont be so harsh, i expect you to critised stuff like this, but damn. I hope the poor guy does not go jump of a building.

[D_FAST]

I Love the name "The Last Battle" Because in my eye bf2 is dead already. 2142 split the community. theres more people playing a decade old game "HL1" then there is bf2.
Valve seams to be the only guys thats knows how to increase the shelf life of there products, and its called "Mod Support". True support! not all the smoke blowing that EA has given to the mod community.

[Hurricane.CAD]

I Love the name "The Last Battle" Because in my eye bf2 is dead already. 2142 split the community. theres more people playing a decade old game "HL1" then there is bf2.
Valve seams to be the only guys thats knows how to increase the shelf life of there products, and its called "Mod Support". True support! not all the smoke blowing that EA has given to the mod community.

Too true. It's interesting how Valve seems to survive despite their "help the customer" doctrine, yet EA turns a blind eye and continues the "get tons of cash, treat the customer like ****, then get some more cash" doctrine.

Downloading video now...

[BlitzWarTank]

Damn, I made a big mistake by putting the wrong descripition and should have removed the extra parts not related to the main movie. I didn't script this movie thus there was no storyline. I was tying to show everyone the overview of how's like in the last battle in iraq (in baghdad) and not a story movie. Anyway things about the shaky cameras and fast forwarding clips, I would take into consideration and learn from my mistake.

[Hurricane.CAD]

I thought it was pretty good. I loved the effects and editing. Karkand looks great without that stupid fog. I would've preferred it being scripted with humans, it would look more realistic that way. Still, better than what I could've done. Music didn't really fit though. 8/10

[RedDot]

I expected much more for a top-5!

[Tiny]

Well...if you do a movie like this keep it realistic...nobody wants to see more of the unorganized bf2 world.

[Shrooms(Scott)]

What was the video editing software you used? I want to check it out

[:ROGUEwolf]

FALSE
When stating one's opinions, one should provide factual information.

Do you really think that they went in 2003?, ROFL where you from?, America, nuff said....

AND!!!! before you all leap in and say looky.....looky at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq its all the facts there, umm Wake, Smell, Coffee .... Are all your lives rules by what some people tell you on the TV box, Radio and Internet sites, if they said the bombs were really from a kangaroo you'd believe it, because yes... you are that gullible....

I rest my case, because this is the 5th time ive had a debate about what happened, and here is not the time nore place,

[Chodda]

Hmm ok. The editing was done in Sony Vegas.... Vegas has a lot to offer when it comes to 'cool' graphics and things like that. So, the editing and graphics were pretty cool and me being an editor myself.. I enjoyed picking away at each detail of the editing... lol sad to say other than that I really didn't like the rest of it. I can tell right now that the only reason this video took so long was because having to go through BattleRecorder and get all those crazy swoops and angles is very time consuming, I'm sure it took him many many takes to get it to his liking without messing it up... also messing around with effects takes a lot of time too. It seems as if you liked so many of them you just tossed them all into the movie with random split screens and zooms that it mucked everything up and it went from being a 'serious' movie to just a fun project to get your hands dirty in Vegas’s cool features.

[imported_Gunchy]

I'm sorry, but you people need to go see more movies.
It's pretty much a joke that this thing got top 5 or you don't have much competition Blitz. The entire movie feels like one big drawn out single shot done at spare of the moment.

[[-CheiuHoi-]]

Cool vid, nice editing!

[Sauerkraut]

Well very high resolution movie which is actually the only good thing about it.
Well no plot or anything, just some fancy camera movements with annoying music. Dont know why that got rated number 5 on that internet webpage.
If you compare it with MINE 1 or 2 then you ll see a huge difference. :hmm:

[[C22] Filet]

Very good movie Blitz - I am quite impressed!

...and thank you for the props in the credits.

[DuffMan]

I've watched half of it and so far I've seen a prone-spamming armour-cladded US guy wielding an M249 like a sword, snipers running up to US soldiers in the open and throwing grenades, a guy taking 8 or so dusty headshots from a pistol before dying, tanks crashing into one another and firing, a TOW missile going straight through a tank, and a noobtuber. Is there ANY realism?

[Papi4baby]

I've watched half of it and so far I've seen a prone-spamming armour-cladded US guy wielding an M249 like a sword, snipers running up to US soldiers in the open and throwing grenades, a guy taking 8 or so dusty headshots from a pistol before dying, tanks crashing into one another and firing, a TOW missile going straight through a tank, and a noobtuber. Is there ANY realism?
Yeah, but not there...

[Braheem]

yeah i mean dont combine realisticness and fiction together.... like Iraqi having tanks, even though almost 70% of the republican guard waved there white flags before they went to battle. its realy not a battle with iraqi army, more insurgents....

[Bird Killer]

Are all your lives rules by what some people tell you on the TV box, Radio and Internet sites, if they said the bombs were really from a kangaroo you'd believe it, because yes... you are that gullible....

I rest my case, because this is the 5th time ive had a debate about what happened, and here is not the time nore place,

Not ruled, but informed. Big differences between these two.

So, just how do YOU get your information? Go directly into Iraq and be at the right place at the right time to witness true history? I'd rather fall gullible into what the news, encyclopedia, media, and other sources of information than fall gullible into your statement that implies they're all lies, or at least distortions. And a terrible example of the "kangaroo", please be realistic, anyone would no doubt question the credibility of it and simply shows your cynicism of other people, specifically those who use the TV, radio, and internet to find information. Heck, you couldn't even justify it:

...you'd believe it, because yes...you are that guillible

I'd hardly call that justification, reason, or support.

[SuperRoach]

Heh.... not good.

I just tried to submit a more entertaining video recapping a gamearena semifinals match, and to see it getting ditched for this video on the front page is pretty disheartening

[Acer5]

Where to start, it was a great opening, the Command and Conquer generals BattleShip scene was so corney, the story was false.

Now im not getting into this debate again, but that video shows that Ohh we are America we went into iraq and kicked ***, NO WRONG!

The Reason for Invasion, To stop the Terrorist Threat & To free the people of Iraq..........Yes i know what most people are thinking, is this person deluded?, my answer if they or anyone believes in anything they just saw is deluded, open your frickin eyeballs and smell the coffee and realise what all of the Invasion of iraq was about because it certainly was'nt about terrorism and was Deffinately not about freeing people of iraq. Number 2 the US invaded Iraq in 2001 early 2002, not 2003.

So in all the movie was crap. BUT!! i'll turn the other way and say how it was put together, and how the graphics were shown, it was ok.

Film in General: 3/10
Storyline: -10/10
Composing: 5/10

NEXT...... Gotta love this sht...

You point out a place and time that we did not kick a$$? There has never been a US declared war that we have lost... hence the reason we tilt our hands down while saluting...
Mean while your British troops took a sun bath in the south by Kuwait, the us military rolled over the Iraqis... I mean come on. We completely rolled over them... soooo how is the story false?
And how can you say that America did not kick a** ?
Are you trying to say that because we didn’t bomb and run... that we didn’t kick a** ?
Or are you pointing out the insurgency? Because that is really funny... you tell me where the insurgency has regained any ground? And where is its base? Where is the leader? lol...bunch of retards running around getting pwnt... lol... the US to Terrorist loss ratio is 120:1 pretty good for war standards.... the only reason you have the crap that we have today is because of the left media publicizing every little POS they can... WWII at Iwo Jima The United States lost 26,000 casualties, with nearly 7,000 dead marines in one month 19 Feb - 27 March... that was one month.... we have been at this for years now...hahahahahhahaha So you little man need to STFU

You have any idea how long it took to rebuild Europe WWII?
Rebuild england (in lowercase for your enjoyment) for that matter after WWII?
How many millions of AMERICAN TAX PAYERS DOLLARS WENT INTO YOUR COUNTRY FOR REBUILDING AFTER THE GERMANS KICKED YOUR A**ES?? THAT WAS NOT NOT NOT PAID BACK????
After you begged us to come to your aid?
I laugh when you brits come on to any forum and open your mouth, only to insert your foot... America staying the course and helping Iraq by freeing the people is the only way to win...

I served my country in the US MARINES...what have you done for yours?


Now that the a**hat is addressed...

I liked the film...liked the thing from generals too...lol

[TexasHulligan]

There has never been a US declared war that we have lost


errr.... ever heard of the vietnam war?

[Acer5]

errr.... ever heard of the vietnam war?
err retard ever heard that it was not a war? err errr duh? Conflict nice try though... congress did not declare war.... and we did not lose it BTW... we withdrew at the request of the S. Vietnamese

another one bites the dust

[KatieWolf]

Man, what is up with people criticizing this movie? I really like it, it got all the advance effects that most people themself could never make. I also like the UAV part, it was very very cool.

You got a 10/10 from me.

[Acer5]

Man, what is up with people criticizing this movie? I really like it, it got all the advance effects that most people themself could never make. I also like the UAV part, it was very very cool.

You got a 10/10 from me.


"advance effects that most people themself could never make" agreed!!!

[Bird Killer]

err retard ever heard that it was not a war? err errr duh? Conflict nice try though... congress did not declare war.... and we did not lose it BTW... we withdrew at the request of the S. Vietnamese

This technicality of "war" is true, it was never declared as a war by the congress. However, the mainstream public does not see it this way, nor does the world. It's a de facto war and considered as war. Since the U.S. apparently lost to this apparent "conflict" that is labeled as "war", the popular opinion and history considers this a War that the United States lost. Regardless of it not being technically War, the magnitude, degree, and intensity of this conflict will always be known as a War to the past, present, and future generations.

South Vietnam never requested for U.S. withdrawal, it was under Nixon's "Peace with Honor" initiative. The document of this was the Paris Peace Accords signed by the United States and North Vietnam. South Vietnam opposed this negotiation, but reluctantly recognized it after the U.S. promised financial and military aid. However, the Congress kept reducing the war budget, limiting the promised financial and military aid to South Vietnam.

Nevertheless, I am curious to know what your sources were to make you believe it was the South Vietnam that requested U.S. troop withdrawal. You could claim it was South Vietnam's acceptance of the Paris Peace Accords, but you have to realize the country was pressured and promised by the United States of is security.

[[PTG]Jonny*5]

I dont understand why so many people said this movie wasnt good because i think it was 1 of the best bf2 movies i have seen.Now i see that sentence alot but i acctually mean it .

Good job blitz you can tell alot of work went into that 10/10

[Cold Fussion]

Man, what is up with people criticizing this movie? I really like it, it got all the advance effects that most people themself could never make. I also like the UAV part, it was very very cool.

You got a 10/10 from me.

Because no one can add a motion blur and fast forward!!! :rolleyes:

I found the movie to be crap. Such a long intro would lead one to believe the rest of the movie would be good. Oh i was so wrong.

[Acer5]

This technicality of "war" is true, it was never declared as a war by the congress. However, the mainstream public does not see it this way, nor does the world. It's a de facto war and considered as war. Since the U.S. apparently lost to this apparent "conflict" that is labeled as "war", the popular opinion and history considers this a War that the United States lost. Regardless of it not being technically War, the magnitude, degree, and intensity of this conflict will always be known as a War to the past, present, and future generations.

South Vietnam never requested for U.S. withdrawal, it was under Nixon's "Peace with Honor" initiative. The document of this was the Paris Peace Accords signed by the United States and North Vietnam. South Vietnam opposed this negotiation, but reluctantly recognized it after the U.S. promised financial and military aid. However, the Congress kept reducing the war budget, limiting the promised financial and military aid to South Vietnam.

Nevertheless, I am curious to know what your sources were to make you believe it was the South Vietnam that requested U.S. troop withdrawal. You could claim it was South Vietnam's acceptance of the Paris Peace Accords, but you have to realize the country was pressured and promised by the United States of is security.
"South Vietnam opposed this negotiation" no they didnt... the south VN started the whole thing before the TET offensive... but once they proceded to get their a** handed to them again... wah wah wah come help us mighty USA... then that was over... up again well we dont want americans here any more... a** kicked...wait come back... and so on... nazion (nixion) was only involved for his "peace" BS so he could win over the DEM in that years election.... come on man.. if your going to use wiki read it all the way....


The truth is, the U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam was a great victory for the anti-war movement. They were able to undermine a war in which America never lost a major battle simply by sapping the nation’s will to fight.

In 1968, when former CBS anchorman Walter Cronkite surveyed the carnage after the Tet Offensive and declared on television that the U.S. was “mired in a stalemate,” he literally made it so. Despite the fact that the Viet Cong suffered the greatest casualties and that U.S. and South Vietnamese forces triumphed, Cronkite’s words won the day. Thus was born a generation of journalists who believed that it was their moral duty to hold themselves in opposition to the U.S. government and, by extension, the U.S. military, no matter what.

ABC White House correspondent Terry Moran admitted as much in a radio interview last year when he said that many of today’s journalists are victims of what’s been labeled the “Vietnam Syndrome.” He described “a deep anti-military bias in the media. One that begins from the premise that the military must be lying, and that American projection of power around the world must be wrong. I think that that is a hangover from Vietnam, and I think it’s very dangerous.”

When the U.S. pulled out of Vietnam in 1973, it was a vindication for the anti-war movement. Isolated incidents such as the My Lai Massacre were expanded to paint all American soldiers with the “atrocities” brush. Hence, returning soldiers and veterans were treated more as criminals than heroes. In the wake of Watergate, the presidency was exposed as corrupt and morally lacking. In short, it was a confirmation of everything the Left believed about America.

The after effects of U.S. troop withdrawal on Southeast Asia were none too pretty either. Millions were slaughtered in the Cambodian genocide and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese fell prey to summary executions and re-education camps. Thousands of South Vietnamese, desperate to flee a hostile and totalitarian regime, became “boat people” in order to reach freedom in the United States. When Congress cut funding to the South Vietnamese in 1975, they were left at the mercy of their enemies. :rolleyes: "you reap what you sew"

Contrary to those who dismiss the “Domino Theory,” the Soviet Union, who backed the North Vietnamese, was emboldened to pursue an expansive foreign policy agenda in the years following U.S. withdrawal. The long-term effects of communism in Vietnam produced a country mired in poverty. To the extent that progress has occurred, it’s where capitalism has been able to take hold more recently.

yay me!

[Bird Killer]

"South Vietnam opposed this negotiation" no they didnt... the south VN started the whole thing before the TET offensive... but once they proceded to get their a** handed to them again... wah wah wah come help us mighty USA... then that was over... up again well we dont want americans here any more... a** kicked...wait come back... and so on... nazion (nixion) was only involved for his "peace" BS so he could win over the DEM in that years election.... come on man.. if your going to use wiki read it all the way....

I barely used Wiki. The only reference I used from that source is to know the name of the document in which the negotiations finalized on. I remember this well as it was similar to what the Americans did in Korean War: They negotiated with the Chinese and North Koreans for cease-fire. However, the South Korean government protested against this, yet the cease-fire was agreed upon.

Sure, Nixon could've started that initiative due to coming elections, but nevertheless, no matter what the motivations were, the American government was trying to find ways to end this conflict other than by war of attrition. To the world, they didn't care about the America's or Nixon's reasons behind the withdrawal strategy, only that it happened. Again, provide a source in which the South Vietnamese government requested U.S. withdrawal during the conflict. I can safely say that anyone who reads your claim that "South Vietnam wanted U.S. troops out" will believe it to be BS.

I'm going to assume the rest of the post were simply copied and pasted from another site. Next time, whenever you copy and paste an article, use quotations or the lovely quote box and list its source. It's quite common for people to pull off articles from biased sources to bolster their argument. However, it is much more rare to see people actually plagiarizing like you just did. I won't be surprised if you got that article from a pro-U.S. military or patriotic website by using google.

As for the article itself, the article is an opinion, supported by opinions of two reporters/anchorman. Should it be no surprise that there's still a debate going on whether the media was biased against the Vietnam War that fueled anti-war sentiments during the 1960s and 1970s? Same debate is going on today about War in Iraq, whether the media are influenced by liberals, democrats, anti-war factions, and all other groups that are against the Iraq War. That article doesn't add much to your argument, it merely conveys your argument better- much better than from your own words and writing. This is no document, but more of an editorial, an article based on opinion.

[Gawwad]

Promising start till I saw the line "To free the people of Iraq"... Just makes me sick how people are beliving the propaganda. Had a hard time watching this movie seriously after the naiveness of the maker became obvious.

I think there were some fairly ok parts but nothing I haven't seen before in a BF2 movie. I didn't spot any story line and the battle didn't seem to progress at all. Just random scenes put together in to one big blurry mess.

Gotta love this sht...

You point out a place and time that we did not kick a$$? There has never been a US declared war that we have lost... hence the reason we tilt our hands down while saluting...
Mean while your British troops took a sun bath in the south by Kuwait, the us military rolled over the Iraqis... I mean come on. We completely rolled over them... soooo how is the story false?
And how can you say that America did not kick a** ?
Are you trying to say that because we didn’t bomb and run... that we didn’t kick a** ?
Or are you pointing out the insurgency? Because that is really funny... you tell me where the insurgency has regained any ground? And where is its base? Where is the leader? lol...bunch of retards running around getting pwnt... lol... the US to Terrorist loss ratio is 120:1 pretty good for war standards.... the only reason you have the crap that we have today is because of the left media publicizing every little POS they can... WWII at Iwo Jima The United States lost 26,000 casualties, with nearly 7,000 dead marines in one month 19 Feb - 27 March... that was one month.... we have been at this for years now...hahahahahhahaha So you little man need to STFU

You have any idea how long it took to rebuild Europe WWII?
Rebuild england (in lowercase for your enjoyment) for that matter after WWII?
How many millions of AMERICAN TAX PAYERS DOLLARS WENT INTO YOUR COUNTRY FOR REBUILDING AFTER THE GERMANS KICKED YOUR A**ES?? THAT WAS NOT NOT NOT PAID BACK????
After you begged us to come to your aid?
I laugh when you brits come on to any forum and open your mouth, only to insert your foot... America staying the course and helping Iraq by freeing the people is the only way to win...

I served my country in the US MARINES...what have you done for yours?


Now that the a**hat is addressed...

I liked the film...liked the thing from generals too...lol

I really feel sorry for you. And I have a hard time beliving you have served in the army. I'm under the impression that people become a bit more mature when they go through that.

"Running around getting pwnt..." Enough said.

[Acer5]

Promising start till I saw the line "To free the people of Iraq"... Just makes me sick how people are beliving the propaganda. Had a hard time watching this movie seriously after the naiveness of the maker became obvious.

I think there were some fairly ok parts but nothing I haven't seen before in a BF2 movie. I didn't spot any story line and the battle didn't seem to progress at all. Just random scenes put together in to one big blurry mess.


I really feel sorry for you. And I have a hard time beliving you have served in the army. I'm under the impression that people become a bit more mature when they go through that.

"Running around getting pwnt..." Enough said.

your absolutly right I DID NOT SERVE IN THE ARMY!!! I AM A US MARINE... big difference jack...
Your idea of mature is someone that rolls over and takes it in the a**, not me bud. you obviously dont see the point so dont enter the argument... I do make sure i use internet lingo so the 15yo's will understand. Even if mommy and daddy are flaming liberals maby i can make an impact.

I barely used Wiki. The only reference I used from that source is to know the name of the document in which the negotiations finalized on. I remember this well as it was similar to what the Americans did in Korean War: They negotiated with the Chinese and North Koreans for cease-fire. However, the South Korean government protested against this, yet the cease-fire was agreed upon.

Sure, Nixon could've started that initiative due to coming elections, but nevertheless, no matter what the motivations were, the American government was trying to find ways to end this conflict other than by war of attrition. To the world, they didn't care about the America's or Nixon's reasons behind the withdrawal strategy, only that it happened. Again, provide a source in which the South Vietnamese government requested U.S. withdrawal during the conflict. I can safely say that anyone who reads your claim that "South Vietnam wanted U.S. troops out" will believe it to be BS.

I'm going to assume the rest of the post were simply copied and pasted from another site. Next time, whenever you copy and paste an article, use quotations or the lovely quote box and list its source. It's quite common for people to pull off articles from biased sources to bolster their argument. However, it is much more rare to see people actually plagiarizing like you just did. I won't be surprised if you got that article from a pro-U.S. military or patriotic website by using google.

As for the article itself, the article is an opinion, supported by opinions of two reporters/anchorman. Should it be no surprise that there's still a debate going on whether the media was biased against the Vietnam War that fueled anti-war sentiments during the 1960s and 1970s? Same debate is going on today about War in Iraq, whether the media are influenced by liberals, democrats, anti-war factions, and all other groups that are against the Iraq War. That article doesn't add much to your argument, it merely conveys your argument better- much better than from your own words and writing. This is no document, but more of an editorial, an article based on opinion.
wow it is an article... but wait was your information backed by MLA citing? or where is your research notes? Of course I am going to find the truth out there, albeit different from mainstream crap.

"Nixon could've started that initiative due to coming elections"
he did... told the SVN president to not goto talks because he would get a better deal under nixon... REF the WIKI ART

I am not going to MLA the whole thing but all what i have said is true...

"I can safely say that anyone who reads your claim that "South Vietnam wanted U.S. troops out" will believe it to be BS."

They needed the US military and economic support to fight the North. In 1963, Pres. Diem knew these dangers and opposed US troops presense, and was killed for it. In 1972, the US withdrew, and it was fine. South VNese was able to repel the North with the US aid. But in 1975, the US Congress decided to cut most of the aid, and the South could not stand alone when they had to depend on the US for everything.

In 1962, Pres. Diem wanted to build an arm industry to make South VN self sufficient. The US came and put it away. In 1970, Pres. Thieu wanted to build an ammunition factory, but the US said it would be more efficient for the US to supply South Vietnam.

Also noticed that you said american government wanted to find ways out other than killing the whole country... well of course they did.. all governments are like that... The military kicking charlies a** is what counts.. always...

"To the world...only that it happened"

Do forign people really think that americans give a rats a** what you think? :confused:

Honestly, If i had it my way every US CITIZEN willing (Because some like it out there) would come home, military come home, and we could live fat off our own land.. military at the borders and call it good.. thats my america.. fk everyone else... we will build up our space program and move to mars if need be lol... The UN is a joke, EU is laughable, russia is in dissaray, middle east is fighting eachother, africa is AIDs central,and canada...um... is canada. the rest is too little to mention... Seems like a little USA flag waving is due
http://www.awesomebackgrounds.com/templates/a-us-flag-1.GIF... yup consider it done...


as a last note.. this is to all liberals...not the guy i was talking with...

"""""""""""""""""""""""""""You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human, f**king beings. You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian s**t. Because I am hard you will not like me. But the more you hate me the more you will learn. I am hard but I am fair. There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on n****rs, kikes, wops or greasers. Here you are all equally worthless. And my orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved Corps. Do you maggots understand that? """""""""""""""""""""""""""""
-R. Lee Ermey

enough quotes for ya buddy? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Bird Killer]

wow it is an article... but wait was your information backed by MLA citing? or where is your research notes? Of course I am going to find the truth out there, albeit different from mainstream crap.

You don't seem to realize that you actually plagiarized did you? Do you even know the difference of plagiarizing to submitting or creating your own work? You copied and pasted the entire article and slapped it into your post with no credit given to the author or at least a source to it. You were trying to steal the work of another person as if it was your own. There is very much a difference in researching and then using that information to create a work of your own than researching and then "slapping" on those research as if it was your own.

"Nixon could've started that initiative due to coming elections"
he did... told the SVN president to not goto talks because he would get a better deal under nixon... REF the WIKI ART

And yet, it doesn't change to the matter of the fact that the United States were trying to withdrawal for their own, never by the request of the South Vietnamese government.

I am not going to MLA the whole thing but all what i have said is true...

Obviously then all you about "South Vietnam requesting U.S. withdrawal" said was BS lies, you couldn't and never did find any documents, source, or any information source that backed up this claim. Why do you think I was so inquisitive about it? You were the first, out of all the Vietnam debate I've read and listened that actually claimed this, so I was skeptical.

They needed the US military and economic support to fight the North. In 1963, Pres. Diem knew these dangers and opposed US troops presense, and was killed for it.

They needed the United States for support, so how did Diem perceive this as danger? I don't recall military and economic support as "danger" other than from its ramifications such as public opposition to the government. He was more killed from from falling into "red scare" paranoia.

In 1972, the US withdrew, and it was fine. South VNese was able to repel the North with the US aid. But in 1975, the US Congress decided to cut most of the aid, and the South could not stand alone when they had to depend on the US for everything.In 1962, Pres. Diem wanted to build an arm industry to make South VN self sufficient. The US came and put it away. In 1970, Pres. Thieu wanted to build an ammunition factory, but the US said it would be more efficient for the US to supply South Vietnam.

No, in 1972, U.S. partially withdrew. The time between U.S' full withdrawal to the resumption of North Vietnamese invasion was only about a year. And I have no idea why you posted this, it is irrelevant to my words you quoted. What you just typed is not a document from a reliable source that supports your claim, but simply a summary in your own words recounting the last days of South Vietnam. Again, I want a source, link, or any documents that clearly shows that it was South Vietnam that requested U.S. withdrawal, not from you own words. This does not warrant that you should plagiarize however.

Also noticed that you said american government wanted to find ways out other than killing the whole country... well of course they did.. all governments are like that... The military kicking charlies a** is what counts.. always...

You obviously do not have a clear understanding of "War of Attrition" means, it's not "killing the whole country" but more of "kicking charlies ***" and making sure there is little of it.

Do forign people really think that americans give a rats a** what you think?

Honestly, If i had it my way every US CITIZEN willing (Because some like it out there) would come home, military come home, and we could live fat off our own land.. military at the borders and call it good.. thats my america.. fk everyone else... we will build up our space program and move to mars if need be lol... The UN is a joke, EU is laughable, russia is in dissaray, middle east is fighting eachother, africa is AIDs central,and canada...um... is canada. the rest is too little to mention... Seems like a little USA flag waving is due

By world, I did not mean by foreign countries, but more of universality. There is almost no country, including the United States, that perceive the Vietnam War as a conflict, but as a war. We recognize it as a "war" that America lost to regardless of the fact that it was technically a conflict.

[proto]

Meh...