Say it ain't so EA!!!!!!!!!!

[sava700]

This was posted over on seemeplayme.com advertising ranked servers for crysis?? All I can say is WTF they better not!!!!

SeeMePlayMe is applying to be a ranked server provider for Crysis. We have a reputation of offering nothing but the best gaming servers available.

All Crysis Ranked customers can take advantage of our all new Game Catalysts services. If you are not sure what this is please click here. This service places SeeMePlayMe well above the rest.

All Crysis servers will be hosted on Dual CPU Dual Core AMD and Intel servers. We use nothing but the latest and best techology to host our customers.

Email: support @ seemeplayme.com for preorder information.


If EA or Crytek makes people rent over used boxes from providers it will really be one of the most stupid moves ever for the game builders and a big blow off to people such as myself that have already purchased a custom built machine way more powerful than these cheap dual core CPU's and so on to run this game in full mutiplayer game play.

[Mr.Bubbles43]

take your server and hit the ea president over the head with it is my suggestion

[Vash2051]

Seconded whole heartedly! Make him feel it for me too.

[Jacky]

No ****ing Way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smoov]

What else is new with EA

[Dangerdog]

You didn’t really think they were going to release a game without some sort of ‘hook’ like ranked server / stat tracking did you?

I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t work in some sort of unlock system like BF2/2142, look at the pre-order ‘bonus’ for the game, it’s a unique vehicle.

I’m also positive there will be an announcement a few weeks from release that the multiplayer will have in-game ads and track how long you view them etc.

I’m a little bit worried that somehow they’re going to gimp the modding tools, if people are allowed to create custom content on their own then that means less opportunity for EA to sell expansions and booster packs, though given peoples unwavering desire to only play on ‘ranked’ servers this shouldn’t be too big of an issue as only authorized and official content is allowed on such servers.

[sava700]

UPDATE!!!! And I'm happy to post that anything of how a play advances will be within that game being played at that time. So with that it would appear all servers will be the same so no Ranked and UnRanked junk and everything is done on that single Server!!

Watch this Video which is a Q & A of the whole game and is Awesome to watch!!!

http://www.hexus.tv/show.php?show=2

[Dangerdog]

He didn’t sound very sure of himself, “no persistent unlocks uh, that’s the plan right now anyway…”

People still go goofy over tracking how many times they’ve killed someone and with what weapon, I would at the very least expect that much from the game regardless if there’s persistent unlocks or such.

[Kadath]

I remember one interview where they said that there will be no stats and so on, because they could not provide one that's good enough, without padding and so on.

[Dangerdog]

You need a Gamespy account for multiplayer so what's that all about if not to have some sort of stat tracking?

Some people hate the unlock system in BF2 & 2142 but it kept people interested in playing and added a unique twist to boring achievements that some games have lately like Quake Wars.

[Flubber]

:D B@ST@RDS! Hell they better not make ranked servers, thats half of what ruined the Battlefield series.

[sava700]

You need a Gamespy account for multiplayer so what's that all about if not to have some sort of stat tracking?

Some people hate the unlock system in BF2 & 2142 but it kept people interested in playing and added a unique twist to boring achievements that some games have lately like Quake Wars.

It ended up sticking a knife in the heart of the BF series. Players for the most part may have liked it but it really put a hurt on Clans and groups that used these games to support a steady flow of recruits and players. Mostly in the way of Servers as like myself I OWN the box and all the hardware which is co-located at a host I choose than say like seemeplayme that over uses a single box of hardware for several instances of something plus the bandwidth is all shared thus creating lag and other issues and not a good gaming experience.
Unlike the old BF1942 days I could put up a server of it dedicated on the Box and it run like a top and tons of players would join it and we could recruit from it as well.

Making people rent official servers to play Crysis will be a real let down and lets hope they don't.. only thing I wouldn't mind is if they let independent server owners sign up to host a server and allow a small download server side to report to gamespy if they wished..but thats all!!!

[Dangerdog]

I'm sure theyll let you host a server but it'll be unranked and won't record stats.

If there's no unlocks to be had then it won't bother me one way or the other to play the game ranked or unranked. I don't even look at my stats in bf2/2142, It's kind of interesting but it seems like something that could just as well be recoreded by the client and stored on the hard drive. I never gave a rip about them in UT2004, I just played the game.

Others will feel different and want to stat whore for some ethereal bragging rights.

[Jeffro420]

Stat tracking is fine...just dont have any leaderboards or rank advancement...this way, there is no reason to stat pad to advance in the game or to strive for "#1" in any category...and you still get your stats. Problem solved.

[xXSocomXx]

it wouldn't make sense to have stats with no leader board, I just hope there is no ranking system.

[Jeffro420]

it wouldn't make sense to have stats with no leader board, I just hope there is no ranking system.

True, but the leaderboard is the #2 incentive to stat pad (#1 being rank advancement and unlocks)...look at BF...all the so called leaders are mostly stat padders.

[sava700]

Well i'm not sure what is going on cause why would Amazon offer a "UNLOCKABLE" APC?????

Go to war in an exclusive vehicle!

Pre-order Crysis now and you'll also receive the exclusive unlockable 'NK Amphibious APC'.

After the game ships pre-order customers will receive an e-mail from Amazon containing a redemption code and instructions for downloading the APC.



Can a DEV or admin please chime in on this??? Cause nobody knows what the hell is going on!?!?!?

I'm sure theyll let you host a server but it'll be unranked and won't record stats.



This is the whole point though.. you don't understand do you????? If I can't host a server like the others then NOBODY will play on it like BF2's unranked servers!!!!! They are worthless unless you map,match play or just wanna fool around. The Ranked servers for BF2 get played on cause of the damn stats.. and if Crysis goes this direction its going to destroy it before its even released!

This was a game I intended to use like BF1942 and Vietnam to recruit for a clan base....plus have fun on which was run on a FULLY owned box with nothing else running on it so its TOP NOTCH!

If this is the case they are going to force people/groups to rent over used systems and over priced way beyond what a single person can afford.

Plain and Simple... Unranked servers don't get played on.

[Dangerdog]

Yes, I understand completely.

Unfortunately unless you belong to their elite server hosting program you won’t get access to stats and rank tracking (yes, there is going to be rank in Crysis). The way it’ll work is as you play online you earn ‘prestige points’ through achieving goals and such, you spend these points on purchasing your loadout weapons and kits along with vehicles, people who have higher rank get more points to start out with. I doubt the ‘prestige points’ last beyond the round on the map or perhaps a three map campaign but your rank is persistent.

It sounds like while there won’t be persistent unlocks they may reward players who have higher rank the ability to purchase certain weapons and/or vehicles that someone with a lower rank wouldn’t be able to afford right off the start. Having special pre-order vehicle available to only certain players might seem like it’ll unbalance the game but we don’t know what vehicles are included with the game, it could just be a re-skinned existing vehicle for all we know.

In this Crysis developer interview he does talk about the ‘prestige points’ and how people with higher rank start off with more points than others, there will be 'buy zones' around capture points and factories where you'll be able to change your load-out with different equipment, or vehicles if you're at a captured vehicle factory.

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/806/806444p1.html

[Sudano]

They better not... I was in such a good mood for this game and now it's like wow that's friggin gayyyy. I hate ranked servers because it turns into peoples lives and all they care about is their score and they don't play for fun, just to be the best. :(

[xXSocomXx]

They better not... I was in such a good mood for this game and now it's like wow that's friggin gayyyy. I hate ranked servers because it turns into peoples lives and all they care about is their score and they don't play for fun, just to be the best. :(

I know how you feel man, Just look at the IO servers in BF2 lol, no teamwork whatsoever.

[Riska]

i find i get alot of teamwork in io servers on bf2 depends whos in the server and if u run a good squad.

[Sudano]

True, I had a few times I can even remember, going through the streets of Karkand with a squad who listens and helps each other. I loved being the squad leader with a squad like that, but I can't find people like that anymore, so I stopped playing.

[Uncleadolph]

There better be no ranking system. I HATE RANKING SYSTEMS! Thats one of the reasons I don't like BF2142.

[Riska]

ranking is the future. its gives people a reason to play there best and achieve something and usually keeps people interested in the game.

[Whiteplague]

meh, ranked is ok with me

[SmokeySnipe]

THAT VIDEO IS AWESOME , love the sparks , hope it looks just as good on high/medium

[Uncleadolph]

ranking is the future. its gives people a reason to play there best and achieve something and usually keeps people interested in the game.

roflcopter

I've been playing CS:S for god knows how long and i'm still interested. Ranked games are ruined by stat padders.

[TheEn|gma]

So far it would seem that EA are being quite hands off with the project, whether thats the truth behind the scenes we may never know, its a time game. Lets hope they've learnt from their mistakes and Crytek aren't being pushed around by them.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

Well I'll go out on a limb and say that I like stats. I'm also in a clan and we have a server and the ranked program from EA has not hurt us in any way shape or form (founded in 1999 playing CS:S w/ no ranking system of course).

It ended up sticking a knife in the heart of the BF series. Players for the most part may have liked it but it really put a hurt on Clans and groups that used these games to support a steady flow of recruits and players.

Not even remotely true. BF2 is still immensely popular because of (not in spite of) the stat/rank/unlock system. We still have a steady supply of recruits for both BF2 and 2142 and our servers aren't even top 100 at the moment for either game. The thing that stuck a knife in the BF series was a whole lot of bugs in BF2 that took forever to fix and then rushing 2142 out to people who felt like they hadn't gotten their money's worth from BF2 yet. Dividing the player base with booster and expansion packs didn't help things at all either.

Mostly in the way of Servers as like myself I OWN the box and all the hardware which is co-located at a host I choose than say like seemeplayme that over uses a single box of hardware for several instances of something plus the bandwidth is all shared thus creating lag and other issues and not a good gaming experience.

You are the only server owner I know with a colo for gaming. While I'm sure you're not the only one, your kind is the tiny minority in the realms of BF2 and 2142. I can appreciate the problem this presents for you, but arguing against ranking appears to only benefit you and the small number of server owners like yourself who actually own their own hardware.

As for rented solutions being bad, if you don't want other things on your server but you want to be able to recruit players who play ranked games (even though you seem to despise these types of players) then rent a dedicated server from anywhere (MyIS, Insomnia365, Branzone, whatever company you like the best). The only things that will run on the server will be what you put on it, period. I365 gives us tools to monitor the RAM, CPU and bandwidth usage on our server and it runs like a dream. Our dedicated server that we rented from MyIS never had any problems either and I'm certain that no other instances ran on our dedicated server. You may have built a good server, but nothing is stopping you from having a high performance ranked server except your own prejudice against ranked servers.


In my opinion, ranks/stats/unlocks are the future of online FPS games. While there is room for improvement on how unlocks and ranks are earned, the overall idea has already proven itself. A system that takes into account the context of how revives, heals and kills occurred would be better and I think that it will come with time.

Regarding teamwork with and without points, if you remove points from the equation in Crysis you aren't going to end up with servers being full of great team players. The team players from BF2 and 2142 will still be team players in Crysis and the people who used to only play for points in BF2 and 2142 will still do their own thing in Crysis.

If anything I think the level of teamwork will actually decrease without points. People aren't penalized in any meaningful way for teamkilling (unless an admin is around) so get ready for rampant TK for vehicle type situations. The reward for risking your neck to revive that player in the open is gone and so nobody will be jumping at the chance to revive them. I can think of more BF2/2142 examples that would be worse without points/stats, but I know I'm not going to change anyone's mind here.

I will buy/play Crysis whether it has stats/ranks/unlocks or not as long as the mechanics of the game are good and it doesn't have major flaws (server crashes every 24 hours, major imbalances like BF2 jets, etc). This is what EA has taught us should be important with both BF2 and 2142 as things were not done as well as they could have been in either case.

Bottom line for me, I do think that any game will be more fun and will last longer with stats/ranks/unlocks than the same game without stats/ranks/unlocks. This is why I hope Crysis has ranks/stats/unlocks. Our clan already has a dedicated server and we will be able to host Crysis with or without a ranking system because the dedicated server is already ranked, but I think that overall the game will do better and last longer with ranks and that's really the most important thing for us when deciding if we're going to play the game or not.

[SCOLANATOR]

Well said [gT]VT_NERD,

I for one like the ranking system on BF2 and BF2142. I like un-locking guns which other players don't have. I'm not bothered if Crysis has stats or not. To me it's not that kind of game. I like the idea of working in squads for the huge online game mode (forgot name) when attacking/ defending bases, I'm a team player and enjoy working well together.

In BF2 I didn't find many people or squads working together, but when I did a single squad could change the course of a battle, and if you were in that squad it was incredibly fun.

In BF2142 I found alot more people begining to work in squad dew to the badges and unlocks you get. Teamwork is what can turn a boring game into one of the best games you've ever played.
~scol

[sava700]

VT_NERD;6393']






You are the only server owner I know with a colo for gaming. While I'm sure you're not the only one, your kind is the tiny minority in the realms of BF2 and 2142. I can appreciate the problem this presents for you, but arguing against ranking appears to only benefit you and the small number of server owners like yourself who actually own their own hardware.




This so called tiny minority you speak of is only cause of BF2 and EA's forcing of rental of over used and over priced boxes from ranked providers.. during the 1942 and vietnam days servers were mostly run on boxes that I my self had custom built, and co-located.

All servers being able to run the same server files be it private owners or businesses like MyIs, seemeplayme, branzone and the others would be the way to go as nobody would be pushed out of the picture.

The ranking system causes a major lack of teamwork, my point proven with Wake island. You can take that map's main China flag as US within 2mins if you make use of the squad system and don't worry about the "mine mine mine" aspect of everyone trying to get in a F35 or the attack chopper to get stats. Stats ruined BF2, 2142 and now it seems it will ruin Quake. I will not stand by and watch EA ruin a great game that Crytek has spent alot of time to perfect.

If it wasn't for Server owners like myself alot of games including BF2 wouldn't have been made popular without the previous versions being hosted by dedicated members of the Gaming Community.

nobody can convince me that the stat system does any good but it seems those that care only for jpeg images of medals and badges are the only ones trying. :rolleyes:

Well said [gT]VT_NERD,

I for one like the ranking system on BF2 and BF2142. I like un-locking guns which other players don't have. I'm not bothered if Crysis has stats or not. To me it's not that kind of game. I like the idea of working in squads for the huge online game mode (forgot name) when attacking/ defending bases, I'm a team player and enjoy working well together.

In BF2 I didn't find many people or squads working together, but when I did a single squad could change the course of a battle, and if you were in that squad it was incredibly fun.

In BF2142 I found alot more people begining to work in squad dew to the badges and unlocks you get. Teamwork is what can turn a boring game into one of the best games you've ever played.
~scol


Thats just the point, the games shouldn't have had unlocks..everyone should have gotten the same weapons when you pull the same disk out the same damn box!


Look at the facts with 2142, if you have a 20member Clan that wishes to get a "ranked" server of 2142 you will end up paying 4$/month perslot average!!!

Now remember that you can run several instances of this and other games on one single Dual core 2gig box.. therefore your sharing hardware and resources as in bandwidth with other clans..otherwise the server provider is losing money on the system and bandwidth....and yes they do do this I've seen it first hand!!!

Now do the math on that cost.... and a popular server of 64players will run you about 256$/month!!!!!! :shock: Thats just Crazy!!

...so lets back up now to a private owned box with the same hardware but its dedicated to just your server that you set up.... all hardware and all resources including bandwidth is DEDICATED to just you for a fraction of that amount. I've got a box right now sitting at one of the fastest Hosts in North America that has more bandwidth and more extra's as in IP#'s and full Control of files for about 500$ a YEAR!

It adds up to be that EA and these server providers have something together about being greedy and greed is what kills games that involve any stat system.

[Dangerdog]

You sound like a completely reasonable and competent person but there are also fools who think they can serve up a multiplayer game over their cable modem connection, the disparity of performance you see when you connect to servers hosted by less than capable people reflects negatively on the game and its net code etc.

The other problem that sometimes surfaces is the elitism that goes along with such power, while there’s nothing preventing someone from being banned for no reason at all from a ranked server they do have a little more control over how restrictive a server can be managed when it’s ranked.

You can’t under value the consistency factor when you go from server to server knowing that the gameplay won’t be altered in the way of changing properties of the game to someone’s liking (faster run speed, lower gravity settings, one shot kill on all weapons 'instagib'). I hate games that have no way of differentiating a server that’s running something like ‘instagib’ for example until you’ve actually joined the server.

I don’t see ET:QW being that big of hook stats wise but for unraked servers they open up all sorts of variables that can change the gameplay (of course many of these tweaks could be for the better over vanilla ET:QW but that’s another argument).

There’s good and bad aspects to the issue, speaking more to the above I kind of like ranked games.

I do find it humorous when the devs claim they receive no profit from the ‘authorized server hosting’ setup, DICE has claimed this many times in Q&A interviews.

[sava700]

You sound like a completely reasonable and competent person but there are also fools who think they can serve up a multiplayer game over their cable modem connection, the disparity of performance you see when you connect to servers hosted by less than capable people reflects negatively on the game and its net code etc.

The other problem that sometimes surfaces is the elitism that goes along with such power, while there’s nothing preventing someone from being banned for no reason at all from a ranked server they do have a little more control over how restrictive a server can be managed when it’s ranked.

You can’t under value the consistency factor when you go from server to server knowing that the gameplay won’t be altered in the way of changing properties of the game to someone’s liking (faster run speed, lower gravity settings, one shot kill on all weapons 'instagib'). I hate games that have no way of differentiating a server that’s running something like ‘instagib’ for example until you’ve actually joined the server.



This game is already set for Punkbuster which has proven to be very effective against hacks and other issues that arise from the game. Its not fool proof and clear evidence of that is in BF2 with a few current hacks going around (SVD hack) that clears PBscreen shots while its being used at least for now. But its up to the "smart" players of this and other games to choose the server they play on wisely, cause I for one can tell what type of server i'm playing on in any game within a few mins sometimes before I enter it by looking at how the ping is and how fast it responds said ping.

Crytek has plenty of options out there to require EVERY server to stream to a central server showing how python files and configurations are setup to ensure that all are equal in the sense of maintaining Crysis's game play.

I believe reading more and more that its all server side anyway and client side so if someone buys the game from say Amazon and they get a Free "APC" then they can use anywhere as its Client side but written into the server files already.

To make this game "Ranked" and make you purchase over used and over priced servers that are no more powerful than these home PC's you speak of would be the knife in the back to fan boys that are already waiting for this game to build a clan off of.

[Dangerdog]

Well, this just isn't going to be your game then. Crysis will be ranked.

I've also read that CoD4 will have kit customization in the way of unlocks so it too will require ranked server rentals.

There’s one called Hellgate London that’s going so far as to make you pay monthly for extras beyond the base game, extra playable game character slots, unique weapons and such, sort of a FPS turned MMO – the whole thing sounds pretty awful but you know there will be people lined up to pay the $9.99 or whatever extra a month to have a unique sword or something.

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/hellgate-london/786714p1.html

The only big game that will have stats and not require ranked server rentals is Unreal Tournament 3.

[sava700]

Well, this just isn't going to be your game then. Crysis will be ranked.



I haven't read this anywhere.. and the latest video with the developers and average joes doing Q & A a question was asked about it and it was said by a developer that NO it would not be ranked but certain things would be saved server side only.

So please show me something written in stone about this cause I've looked everywhere.

[Dangerdog]

Well it's not in stone, yet - but if you watch this video interview it'll give you an idea about rank being persistant.

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/806/806444p1.html

besides, I thought this already put the nail on the lid covering ranked servers for Crysis.

http://www.seemeplayme.com/Crysis/crysisrankedservers.aspx

Though I admit there is conflicting information regarding the issue, given EA’s success with Battlefield ranked servers I would be extremely surprised if Crysis didn’t have a) persistent stats and b) player rank. There was also some mention of needing a Gamespy account login ID to play online.

[sava700]

Well it's not in stone, yet - but if you watch this video interview it'll give you an idea about rank being persistant.

http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/806/806444p1.html

besides, I thought this already put the nail on the lid covering ranked servers for Crysis.

http://www.seemeplayme.com/Crysis/crysisrankedservers.aspx

Though I admit there is conflicting information regarding the issue, given EA’s success with Battlefield ranked servers I would be extremely surprised if Crysis didn’t have a) persistent stats and b) player rank. There was also some mention of needing a Gamespy account login ID to play online.

It seems from the email I got from seemeplay me that they are just hyping it to get sales and nothing more.. I also heard about the gamespy account but this was to track player activity and help friends join each other via this.

As for that video I believe the Q&A vid I watched of the average Joe asking about the stats was shot down as it was only server side maintained. This is a good idea if they do this cause it won't rely on over used and over priced servers from providers but in turn gives the server files all the same to anyone to run a Good server for their game!


I mean look here:
http://www.incrysis.com/wiki/index.php/Crysis_Multiplayer

Read this:

There will not be persistent stats or ranked servers for Crysis. The prestige points earned in a round will be reset in the next round

[Dangerdog]

The gamespy ID also helps prevent smurfing and can help server admins ban based on a player ID.

I did see that on incrysis.com yet what they put there seemed to contradict what the guy says in the interview *shrug* Server side rank tracking would be just so-so, I'd rather not see it tracked at all if that's the case.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see then.

[sava700]

Server side rank tracking would be just so-so, I'd rather not see it tracked at all if that's the case.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see then.


I agree... i'd rather play for fun ;)

[xXSocomXx]

when I'm playing, I wont be interested in points, I'll be looking at the GFX :)

[sava700]

when I'm playing, I wont be interested in points, I'll be looking at the GFX :)

I wish everyone thought that way, cause then EA's stupid stat crap would be done for.

[Colt_25]

also a new rumor,
there will be 2 different types of servers,
dx9 and dx10
people who have dx10 will have to switch over to dx9 mode to play with friends taht dont have dx10

[xXSocomXx]

also a new rumor,
there will be 2 different types of servers,
dx9 and dx10
people who have dx10 will have to switch over to dx9 mode to play with friends taht dont have dx10

* Both DirectX 9 and DirectX 10 players will be able to connect to a DX10 server. Balancing will be done by the server.

it has been confirmed ;)

[cloustron101]

Going back to the Battlefield 2 thing briefly, I nevere really gave a dang about stats, other than simply wanting to make sure I had more kills than deaths, beyond that and the unlockable weapons anything further, such as the leader boards, and rank in general meant very little to me.

One thing that pissed me off though with their dang ranking system, and this goes back to the wicked number of bugs BF2 had, was that if you were unlucky enough to not get certain badges in the right order, you couldn't rank up past a certain level.
Therefore you couldn't even get all the blasted unlockables, becuase some idiot thought it'd be neat to have a glitch in the software that screwed you over like that :(

Like I said, this wouldn't bother me if it hadn't been for the fact that I was still missing two dang unlocks, the dummys.

Good to hear however, that DX10 & 9 players can play together, I get the feeling it's going to be pretty 50/50 as far was what tech people are using.

[Mr.Bubbles43]

I never cared where I was on the leader board in 2142 partly because I was at the top always and it got boring quick...

[sava700]

also a new rumor,
there will be 2 different types of servers,
dx9 and dx10
people who have dx10 will have to switch over to dx9 mode to play with friends taht dont have dx10

as said this is all done server side.. I've custom built and setup a very awesome server to run this game on for the community. It will be able anything this game throws at it along with being right on the largest and fastest Pipe in North America! I hope to see all of you on it which once I have server files I'll be posting all the information in its own thread along with server IP# and other info. :salute: