Anti Baseraping Server-Side MOD [Archive]

CATIA

06-04-2007, 08:53 PM

too little too late, way too many players completly stopped playing dc because of all the base raping. its absolutely the largest complaint i ever hear on why people refuse to even load up a game, next would be the lag from the buried barbed wire fences used for razor wire.

i hate to say it but you guys lost the majority of the fan base with all the rape fest severs, your lucky to see one populated at a time now and no patch will ever correct it.

dont get me wrong, i love it, i love the maps, nothing even compares to gazala as far as im concerned but the regular players are long gone, all that base raping just pisses them off so much they uninstall the mod, you cant say it doesn't, i witnessed one of the devs get spawn killed so many times last night he simply quite playing and left the server and when the devs cant stand the spawn raping you know its getting bad.
Too little too late? Good god, it's only our first release, of course we have problems much like any other MOD out there. But we are also working hard solving these problems. WE have solved most if not all the lag problems, we have an anti baserape program and many other new things that can be controlled via server side MOD and not to mention new original maps and content which will all be included in our next release. Despite some of the issues we have, DCon is still the #2 most played mod, and ladders/leagues are either waiting for the patch or already underway. Hopefully, when the patch is out, people that left due to lag or whatever will come back and enjoy DCon, If not, then good luck with whatever he/she will be playing.

sava700

06-04-2007, 11:35 PM

too little too late, way too many players completly stopped playing dc because of all the base raping. its absolutely the largest complaint i ever hear on why people refuse to even load up a game, next would be the lag from the buried barbed wire fences used for razor wire.

i hate to say it but you guys lost the majority of the fan base with all the rape fest severs, your lucky to see one populated at a time now and no patch will ever correct it.

dont get me wrong, i love it, i love the maps, nothing even compares to gazala as far as im concerned but the regular players are long gone, all that base raping just pisses them off so much they uninstall the mod, you cant say it doesn't, i witnessed one of the devs get spawn killed so many times last night he simply quite playing and left the server and when the devs cant stand the spawn raping you know its getting bad.

I have to defend the DEVS on this one a little since its not their problem to be concerned with. Base raping rules are server side, if your playing on a server that allows it fnin leave and find another one that doesn't allow it. Its that simple!! If people are complaining about it they are too damn lazy to find another server, end of story.

*FMJ*Power

06-05-2007, 12:05 AM

I have to defend the DEVS on this one a little since its not their problem to be concerned with. Base raping rules are server side, if your playing on a server that allows it fnin leave and find another one that doesn't allow it. Its that simple!! If people are complaining about it they are too damn lazy to find another server, end of story.

when there are only 2 servers populated in the US you have to deal with the base raping or just stop playing the mod altogether and sadly many people chose the later, thats the problem, you cant just go and find a new server, theres only 2 in the us that ever get populated and spawn killing in the main is the name of the game.

scarslilpyro

06-05-2007, 12:05 AM

*FMJ*Power

06-05-2007, 12:16 AM

i understand about server rules not being the devs problem but theres a reason poe has the dome of death. dont get me wrong, we all have baseraped, it happens, and yes it can be fun once in awhile but it just seems to be the main focus of most dcon players. they can rack up more points spawn killing the main than getting flags so guess witch one they chose. perhaps increasing the flag capture or flag defense points could help draw people back into the real focus of the game, the flags.

sava700

06-05-2007, 04:47 AM

when there are only 2 servers populated in the US you have to deal with the base raping or just stop playing the mod altogether and sadly many people chose the later, thats the problem, you cant just go and find a new server, theres only 2 in the us that ever get populated and spawn killing in the main is the name of the game.

well join the unpopulated servers and get them populated and pull people from the server you and them dislike and play on another..its pretty simple to do.

It only takes about a few people each night to get one going good, after all they all start somewhere. But the name of the game is to win and in WWII perhaps it wouldn't be very effective if Hitler asked the US not to invade Germany LOL.

I've got a server up for DCON playing alot of cool maps which are unmodded maps so you don't have 10 of the same jet in the air which although I don't see a problem with Base raping I don't allow it on the server UNTIL one team has all the other flags. So feel free to populate it with yourself and your friends and I'm sure after a few days once the word gets out others will follow.

HaVOCK-ElEEt

06-05-2007, 12:49 PM

The Anti base rape tool they put out works great, and will be in the next release as a server side option I think.

sava700

06-05-2007, 02:29 PM

The Anti base rape tool they put out works great, and will be in the next release as a server side option I think.

I'm really curious on these servers yall play on that you dislike this happening? Post em, I'd like to go to them and see if its that big of a problem or if the server is running anything "Optional" that helps this along. I just see it as a major problem if you know how to use the base weapons and work as a team to ward em off.

Mitch

06-07-2007, 03:50 AM

I'm really curious on these servers yall play on that you dislike this happening? Post em, I'd like to go to them and see if its that big of a problem or if the server is running anything "Optional" that helps this along. I just see it as a major problem if you know how to use the base weapons and work as a team to ward em off.

If you’re talking about the anti-base raping script I have it running on one of our DCON servers now. I currently only have it running on the El Alamein map but I will be adding it to the rest of the maps later this week when I get time. We are also working on a few minor custom server side mods for both of our DCON servers.

As it stands right now the server that is not running the base rape script is usually pretty busy especially in the evenings and it has a few minor tweaks done to the vehicle spawns however we are going to wait until the next release before proceeding with doing any major server side modding.

I can’t offer you any special recipe or secret to hosting a successful DCON server but I can tell you that I let my regulars and players pretty much make the rules and I run the server based on completely on a majority rules system. Another mistake that may people make is that they overly admin their servers. You need to act less like an admin and more like a host with your players and you should never argue or be overly aggressive with trouble makers because that just disrupts all the players in the server.

Also don’t be so quick to whip out the admin stick try to reason and talk with the person to win them over as a player that you want to have on your server. Keep in mind that while there are quite a few *** wipes out there most of them can turn out to be good regulars on your server if you deal with them correctly as people like this for the most part are crying out for acceptance and want to be recognition someone.

Anyway I have included the Game- Monitor information below for both of our DCON servers and your welcome to come hang out and game with us for a bit. If you stop by or even if you don’t give me a shout and we can discuss this in greater detail.

Let me say this I am more interested in having a good selection of DCON servers for the players to choose from and I am willing to work with any other clan or community that is more interested in supporting the DCON mod community as a whole than how to compete with another server player. Keep this in mind we have a very small percentage of players that even play the mods and an even smaller percentage of them play DCON so why in the heck are we basically fighting amongst ourselves over a very limited number of players when we should work together to support the DCON mod and the gamers that play it, so that we can build a strong fan base to keep the mod alive far in to the future.

If you a fan and a supporter of this mod and your sincerely interested in working together to support the mod for the players that enjoy it then drop me a line and we can get together to work on some ideas to help promote the mod and the gamers that play it. I sincerely wish to see this mod grow and prosper for a long time to come.

well join the unpopulated servers and get them populated and pull people from the server you and them dislike and play on another..its pretty simple to do.

This is exactly the kind of crap I am talking about. I don’t think it's very wise of you to be telling people to do stuff like this.

Most server owners I know would not take too kindly to another server owner or player doing this on their server period no excuses... :shakehead:

http://www.game-monitor.com/server-stat-image/208.100.31.217:16567.png

http://www.game-monitor.com/server-stat-image/208.100.31.219:16567.png

sava700

06-07-2007, 05:21 AM

Mitch

06-07-2007, 06:17 AM

From what I see the majority don't care about base raping as its WAR and part of the game IMO.

Which Chronic I think is why you have that one server so populated besides it showing up "ranked" in the search of servers which does help out alot when a newly found DCON mod loader goes to search for servers you only see like 3-4 when you search unless you uncheck "Ranked" which we all know most users are BF2 regulars and this is unlikely.

That is the reason players find my server however it has nothing to do with the fact that it is popular with the players.

The fact of the matter is that most players don't think or bother to uncheck the ranked box in their browser when they are looking for a server to play on so yea none of the other servers show up in their browser when they look so by displaying the ranked images it helps assure players see the server.

Quite simply put the reason I have such a popular server is that I let the players run it and make the rules. What most admins fail to realize is while you may host and pay for the server it is worthless with out player traffic and after 22 months of playing this game I understand that player are looking for servers that they can play on where they have a say in how its run and with out being hassled and bullied by clan members or admins.

Too many of my fellow server owners seem to operate with the belief that it’s their server we pay for it so we will make the rules mentality. Well then guess what you can play on it by yourself because the server is not worth the damn with out the players, it’s just another wasted piece of garble in the browser that players are forced to sift through to find a decent server to play on.

I am not saying that having rules on a serve is necessarily a bad thing but before you pull out your big admin stick make sure the rules you have on your server suit the demographic of the players your looking to attract and keep on your server. While your not going to be able to please everyone your open minded and honestly listen to what your players want you will develop and keep a loyal fan base for as long as the mod is popular.

Over the past few weeks I have had quite a few players that have been asking for some rules to prevent base raping and for some different maps so to accommodate them I have setup a second DCON server using the maps they are asking to play and I have incorporated an anti- base raping script so that I can spend more time gaming and talking with the players and less time play big bad admin.

I have been at this stuff for 10 years now and I can honestly tell you there is no absolute method or technique that will guarantee you success when trying to host a successful server and I am fully aware that our server could fall on it’s *** at any time. However I can tell you that if you want to have a chance at hosting a successful server that you need to understand the laws of supply and demand as well as the gamer’s mentality if you hope to have a chance at hosting a popular servers that players enjoy gaming on.

I know it sounds like a bunch of physo babble but think about it if you were a gamer out looking to pub what type of server would you want to game on? Then forget that thought and listen to what the players are actually saying and let them run it for you while you sit back and enjoy playing on a populated server.

I want to say this to all of you that ask why can’t we find server to play on or wonder why there are so few people playing the mods? Well the answers is partly because of us server owners and clan leaders who continue to treat this like it’s a competition or macho ego trip to host a game server.

I said it before and I will say it again if we want to draw new players and keep this mod popular then we need to change the way we do things and try to work together to support the mods.

In closing let me say this, I am willing to work with any clan or community that supports DCON or any of the other mods for that matter if they are sincerely more interested in supporting the mod and the community rather than their own ego trip so that we have good populated servers for all of us to play on and enjoy.

sava700

06-07-2007, 08:48 PM

[COLOR=black]Over the past few weeks I have had quite a few players that have been asking for some rules to prevent base raping and for some different maps so to accommodate them I have setup a second DCON server using the maps they are asking to play and I have incorporated an anti- base raping script so that I can spend more time gaming and talking with the players and less time play big bad admin.

reading this para, I agree alot of players are crying about base raping but again to me thats part of the game...its War. Although its great and all for some players to get their way this is what weeds them out and leaves a certain "base" of players. If they don't like how things are running there are other servers. And as you said its best for each server to support the other so each is and should be different but with the small amount..and I do mean small amount compared to BF2 playing this MOD once a player finds one or two servers to play on they enjoy they won't try others out. And as of now if you look through the listing of those that are up and unpopulated you find alot just the same with Project Reality MOD servers.. most are empty cept for a few which stay slammed packed. I've had a server up for a few weeks with hardly any rules really cept for base raping only if your team has all the flags cause its a PUSH style concept...you push the team all the way back and destroy them! But I'm really considering taking it down in a week or so cause of the lack of interest with it and the MOD from players.

Not that I wouldn't love to keep it up and supporting the MOD but it appears its just dying off to quickly and once Crysis comes out nothing will run on my box but that as I'm sure Crysis will really put the "bleed" on BF2 and Mods.

Mitch

06-07-2007, 10:58 PM

reading this para, I agree alot of players are crying about base raping but again to me thats part of the game...its War. Although its great and all for some players to get their way this is what weeds them out and leaves a certain "base" of players. If they don't like how things are running there are other servers. And as you said its best for each server to support the other so each is and should be different but with the small amount..and I do mean small amount compared to BF2 playing this MOD once a player finds one or two servers to play on they enjoy they won't try others out. And as of now if you look through the listing of those that are up and unpopulated you find alot just the same with Project Reality MOD servers.. most are empty cept for a few which stay slammed packed. I've had a server up for a few weeks with hardly any rules really cept for base raping only if your team has all the flags cause its a PUSH style concept...you push the team all the way back and destroy them! But I'm really considering taking it down in a week or so cause of the lack of interest with it and the MOD from players.

Not that I wouldn't love to keep it up and supporting the MOD but it appears its just dying off to quickly and once Crysis comes out nothing will run on my box but that as I'm sure Crysis will really put the "bleed" on BF2 and Mods.

We are planning on hosting a few servers for Crysis when it released however we are not planning on dropping the support for the mods even if it requires leasing another dedicated box to accommodate the servers.

Other than your DCON server are you hosting any other stock BF2 or mod servers for the game? Also I am curious if Team Dissidents a clan or a community?

The reason I ask, is that CKW is a clan and while I am sure that they would not have a problem with me working with another clan, however since I don’t know your members I am not sure if there would be a problem getting past some typical clan politics depending on the current mentality that some clans have about working with other clans. However if you interested in hearing what I have to say, then send me a private message on the forums and we can hook up on either Ventrilo or Team Speak so you can listen to my proposal.

What I have in mind is not some big complicated arrangement, however if you can keep an open mind and here me out, I am sure what I have to propose to you will not only benefit both organizations, it will also benefit the mods and the gamers that play them.

As I mentioned if your interested in what I am proposing then send me a message so we can set up a date and time to talk.

sava700

06-08-2007, 05:03 AM

We are planning on hosting a few servers for Crysis when it released however we are not planning on dropping the support for the mods even if it requires leasing another dedicated box to accommodate the servers.

Other than your DCON server are you hosting any other stock BF2 or mod servers for the game? Also I am curious if Team Dissidents a clan or a community?

Well what your going to run into with leasing a box from a server provider is other things running on that same box and its not going to be dedicated. I've done some research into the CryEngine2 and it requires alot of server power to run a server side instance. The Box in which I use now was custom built and then fully setup by me and shipped to where its at now which is one of the fastest providers in the country so its very stable and very very fast on both server power and connection. I've got up a DCON pub server and a DCON Match server we are using for the CAL tourney plus I've got a 2142 Match server for a few of the guys that are in a 8v8 at TWL and a 6v6 at TGL..so I'm always doing things to switch stuff up for our members. We are a Clan and I'm sure I told ya we were the ones that made Hostile Acs and one of our members |D| Jaws has made the Best maps ever used in POE2 and one was just recently used for the 5v5 CAL Championship match up between NL and Crazy8 which was awsome to watch when it was shoutcasted the other night.
Hostile Acts!
http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?user_file_id=103820

Also another member owns this site which is for Machina video based on mostly Battlefield and its mods.
http://www.gamerztheatre.com/

We are one of the oldest Clans online today :)

But as it goes for Crysis..the machine will be dedicated to it..and if I don't see much network usage and once I monitor the system resources of the server then I'll decide if instances of any other game can and will be run as with Cyrsis will require alot of bandwidth and server power.

Mitch

06-11-2007, 02:46 PM

Well what your going to run into with leasing a box from a server provider is other things running on that same box and its not going to be dedicated. I've done some research into the CryEngine2 and it requires alot of server power to run a server side instance. The Box in which I use now was custom built and then fully setup by me and shipped to where its at now which is one of the fastest providers in the country so its very stable and very very fast on both server power and connection. I've got up a DCON pub server and a DCON Match server we are using for the CAL tourney plus I've got a 2142 Match server for a few of the guys that are in a 8v8 at TWL and a 6v6 at TGL..so I'm always doing things to switch stuff up for our members. We are a Clan and I'm sure I told ya we were the ones that made Hostile Acs and one of our members |D| Jaws has made the Best maps ever used in POE2 and one was just recently used for the 5v5 CAL Championship match up between NL and Crazy8 which was awsome to watch when it was shoutcasted the other night.
Hostile Acts!
http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?user_file_id=103820

Also another member owns this site which is for Machina video based on mostly Battlefield and its mods.
http://www.gamerztheatre.com/

We are one of the oldest Clans online today :)

But as it goes for Crysis..the machine will be dedicated to it..and if I don't see much network usage and once I monitor the system resources of the server then I'll decide if instances of any other game can and will be run as with Cyrsis will require alot of bandwidth and server power.

Impressive however I still say we should work together to support the mods but unfortunately I don’t see that happening because like so many other clans I am assuming based on your previous replies that the typical clan mentality and ego will prevent this from ever taking place and that’s a shame.

However after reading your last reply, I did do some checking in to what’s its going to require to host good servers for it and your correct I am going to need to a add a few dedicated boxes for hosting Crysis so thanks for the heads up as I had not even seriously looked at server requirements for the game until you brought it to my attention.

PS. This is for all of you that host servers or run clans, if you’re seriously interested in keeping the mods going strong in the community then loose the baby *** ego driven mentality and try to form some partnerships with other groups to help support the mods. I am not going to waste my time explaining right now but if you listen to the players for a while you will figure out that us server owners and clan leaders that can’t work together are doing more harm to the popularity of the mods than many of you realize. Loose the ego folks and let’s try and work together.

+DNC+BongSquad

06-12-2007, 07:33 PM

HEY the CKW server is great. I love the no-rules approach - it's exactly what I need now and then.

Mitch

06-12-2007, 07:52 PM

HEY the CKW server is great. I love the no-rules approach - it's exactly what I need now and then.

Thanks for the compliment; I am glad you enjoy playing on our DCON server. Yea it's always been my belief that there are enough rules and stress in real life. I want gamers to be able to come and play on our servers so that they can have fun and blow off a little steam. The last thing I think gamers want is a server with a bunch of rules or jerk admin telling them how they have to play.

Again thanks for the compliment; this is what I like to hear from our players.

+DNC+BongSquad

06-12-2007, 08:19 PM

Mitch

06-12-2007, 08:43 PM

there are a bunch of us DNC guys who still rock out with DC now and then - but a big chunk of us have grown tired and frustrated with the bf2 engine.

This will make no difference now - but it is too bad that USI and DCON did not just join together at the beginning...

We do the best with what they give us. Don't get me wrong I love the mods and go out of my way to support them but as you mentioned we are stuck with the bf2 engine.

As for the DCON/USI yea you can never have too much talent or too many good ideas but all we can do is think about what might have been.:D

To be honest if it was not for the mods I would most likely not be playing Bf2 much at all anymore. So keep em coming guys:salute:

*FMJ*Power

06-12-2007, 09:31 PM

well join the unpopulated servers and get them populated and pull people from the server you and them dislike and play on another..its pretty simple to do.

out of pure respect for the other server id never dream of doing such a thing. i usually just shut my mouth and play when i get into dcon mode. you rarely see me bitching about the baseraping ingame unless its absolutely crazy. i can take a bullet better than anyone and it usually takes a lot to get me steaming.

i just fear more than anything for the overall player count, not as many new players may be able to take the punishment as good as most of us and ive literally seen hundreds of people just stop playing dcon all together because of one fhag sitting on the hanger roof with a rpg because he knows he could never hit a moving target so he will spawn kill jets on the runway rather than even try for a flag. id suspect i was base rapped relentlessly that same day before i made my first comment in this thread hence the hostility.

it just baffles me because all other mods seem to have the team players, the guys that know what it takes to win and show respect for their fellow players, DCON though is just the opposite, its the most poorly skilled smacktards ive ever seen in my life. it seems that all the truly skilled and respectable players left third week after release.

Mitch

06-12-2007, 10:15 PM

out of pure respect for the other server id never dream of doing such a thing. i usually just shut my mouth and play when i get into dcon mode. you rarely see me bitching about the baseraping ingame unless its absolutely crazy. i can take a bullet better than anyone and it usually takes a lot to get me steaming.

i just fear more than anything for the overall player count, not as many new players may be able to take the punishment as good as most of us and ive literally seen hundreds of people just stop playing dcon all together because of one fhag sitting on the hanger roof with a rpg because he knows he could never hit a moving target so he will spawn kill jets on the runway rather than even try for a flag. id suspect i was base rapped relentlessly that same day before i made my first comment in this thread hence the hostility.

it just baffles me because all other mods seem to have the team players, the guys that know what it takes to win and show respect for their fellow players, DCON though is just the opposite, its the most poorly skilled smacktards ive ever seen in my life. it seems that all the truly skilled and respectable players left third week after release.

It was nice seeing you on the server the other night, thanks for stopping by. Even know I don't particularly care for having rules that restrict a player’s style on the server I do agree that there is a segment of the players that prefer a more structured environment with some basic rules like those to prevent base raping.

Because I am interested in supporting the mod and wish to accommodate players that may prefer a more structured environment to game, I have setup another DCON server that has some basic rules that players are required to follow. Since base raping & vehicle ramming seem to be the biggest complaint I have prohibited players for doing this on our servers. I am also considering prohibiting the use of the SCUD or artillery to directly suppress the air fields, however since I am not big on rules myself, I am not going to make a decision on this until I can get some feedback form the players first.

I went over to your site today to register and I must say that I was quite impressed. I noticed while I was there that you folks seem to be hosting 3- ranked servers but that you are not hosting any mods servers? If you are interested in admiring a DCON server with rules I would be more than happy to set it up so that you and players that share your desire to see a more structured environment have a server to game on with a good ping.

I know that you may feel that this is a problem or that you may not be interested because it is not an FMJ server however since you guys don’t appear to be in any direct competition with us for the same player demographic I don’t see why we can’t get past the typical clan mentality and openly work together to support no only the mods but the gamers that play them.

*FMJ*Power

06-13-2007, 02:26 AM

we love mods at fmj, lots of us are old school DC players then POE1 and so on. we did also host a dcon server, 2 of them at first, then 1 then none after a month because to be perfectly honest, even with 8 of our guys in there all the time, after a month we couldn't compete with servers that were showing vanilla rank in game. there were over 10 of them at that time, no offense intended, we would do it if we could also but we were told noway by our server provider.

you have to admit, being able to pick up all those new players that never know or forget to uncheck their rank box or just want to see that pretty symbol next to their name or some even think for awhile they are actually getting vanilla points. either way it really helps bring players to the server and theres just no competing with it in mods.

we ran into the same problem with poe2 in the first months, it was just so hard to compete with servers showing vanilla rank. we had a eod2 server up too but were having many server issues with that mod. we had 2 usi servers when it first got released and they went strong for about a month and a half then the player base just died out after AF got released and they sat empty.

we usually have some sort of mod server up at all times, i honestly dont think there isn't a major bf2 mod we haven't hosted on the first day of release.

we will continue to support every mod the day they get released as we always have. you'll notice pretty much all of our website news is the mod updates, we whole heartedly support the mod community, we had some of the best DC servers for the longest time, same with poe1 and pretty much any popular battlefield series mod but those days are long gone, replaced with the narcotic like allure of that tiny little rank symbol so as long as there are mod servers showing peoples vanilla rank while and are not allowed to we will only be able to compete for a month or two if that.

sava700

06-14-2007, 12:45 AM

out of pure respect for the other server id never dream of doing such a thing.

its not about disrespect towards anyone or any group that run a server.. its just a game remember that and if you can't have fun on one and you can on another then by all means I would move on and take my friends with me that feel the same way.

*FMJ*Power

06-17-2007, 05:51 PM

its not about disrespect towards anyone or any group that run a server.. its just a game remember that and if you can't have fun on one and you can on another then by all means I would move on and take my friends with me that feel the same way.

i understand and thats my biggest fear, that it would be seen as disrespectful but in all honesty ive pretty much given up all hope for any mods as far as competing for players, other than PR. im just hoping FH2 proves me wrong. its just so hard to draw players because as i mentioned, so many bf2 players are overcome with a narcotic like allure to the rank symbol. what your proposing would be a simple task if we could all have our servers listed as ranked but otherwise its damn near impossible.

Mitch

06-17-2007, 06:35 PM

i understand and thats my biggest fear, that it would be seen as disrespectful but in all honesty ive pretty much given up all hope for any mods as far as competing for players, other than PR. im just hoping FH2 proves me wrong. its just so hard to draw players because as i mentioned, so many bf2 players are overcome with a narcotic like allure to the rank symbol. what your proposing would be a simple task if we could all have our servers listed as ranked but otherwise its damn near impossible.

Based on reading many of your posts, I know you and I don't always see eye to eye on things, however despite that fact I have always respected your views and opinions and that is probably why I quote you quite a bit in my replies.

The quote really has nothing to do with what I am about to ask but since I am most interested in hearing your views on this question I did it to get your attention.

Here is my question Why can't or why won't clans or communities work together to support the mod for the community and players as a whole?

While this may seem like a simple question, before you answer ask yourself why the mods don't do better first.

*FMJ*Power

06-17-2007, 08:16 PM

Based on reading many of your posts, I know you and I don't always see eye to eye on things, however despite that fact I have always respected your views and opinions and that is probably why I quote you quite a bit in my replies.

The quote really has nothing to do with what I am about to ask but since I am most interested in hearing your views on this question I did it to get your attention.

Here is my question Why can't or why won't clans or communities work together to support the mod for the community and players as a whole?

While this may seem like a simple question, before you answer ask yourself why the mods don't do better first.

i always support the mods and so does fmj. i love this mod and you see me playing all the time and i never really say anything. i support your server, allot actually, ive spent many hours idling to help keep some players in the room. i can take about 4 hours of baseraping before it drives me bonkers. you'll see me regularly playing nothing but mods and i always will but when it comes to hosting mods in bf2 its a different story all because of the rank.

the point i was making is its impossible to compete for players when other servers have an unfair advantage in drawing players so you surely wont see us dumping anymore money into a server that wont get used. as far as we are concerned if a new mod comes out and it has falsely ranked servers we wont be running it. we will play it all day but we refuse to financially support it when the server field isnt level. being able to show rank while other cant is a major advantage.

this might be a mod and its only a little rank symbol but as you know, bf2 players are like sheep when it comes to the rank, that little symbol comes first, then fun and they will follow it off a cliff. i mean would you really expect the vanilla bf2 nonranked servers to even hold a candle to the ranked ones for player count?

dont get me wrong, i would do it too if i could but ive come to accept that our server provider will never allow us to do it but id never fault you for doing it or think less nor do i hold it against you guys, its all ea's fault with the stupid rank anyway but it just truly sucks being on the receiving end trying to keep any other server populated.

i have no problem supporting your server with my playtime as every person who reads this thread should be doing to keep the mod alive but when the one server that does fill up is full of spawnkillers and smacktards it just doesn't put the mod in a very good light and turns off people from playing it. all it takes is one spawncamper to get the snowball effect going.

yes there are some very respectable players but there are many more who aren't and wouldn't think twice of spawn killing one guy 5 times in a row until he leaves and is forgetting thats another player on the other end who just wants to have fun too. you have to admit, keeping a server full is sometimes about keeping the players happy and i know if you looked through your chat log its probably 90% filled with people ranting about baseraping, then that player leaves.

you have a very powerful server filling tool in that rank symbol, use it for the greater good of the dev teams hard work and the community...keeping that server full all the time.

why not one 32 man server with maybe one or two basic rules like no attacking uncap unless you have all the flags and one 32 man thats a free for all? you guys could fill them both just from the namesake you built on the one.

i totally understand your approach about rules and not trying to have any, our servers are pretty much run that way but for those 2 maps it works great. i personally think the "other" populated us dcon server has too many rules that can be interpreted too many ways by different admins and ive seen it happen time and time again but its showing as ranked so it has that irresistible allure.

i know its a full time job admining a server when theres any type of rule but that combo of fast spawning planes and wide open mains invites all the raping on the three particular maps currently being run. i honestly don't think raping would even be a factor in the server if there wasn't the so many planes respawning instantly after one goes airborne. i think if it were the standard number of vehicles or maybe even double the number (it would still be plenty of toys for all the players) raping probably wouldn't be an issue and the server would have a higher average amount of players across the board because people would stay longer.

sava700

06-18-2007, 03:29 AM

the point i was making is its impossible to compete for players when other servers have an unfair advantage in drawing players so you surely wont see us dumping anymore money into a server that wont get used. as far as we are concerned if a new mod comes out and it has falsely ranked servers we wont be running it. we will play it all day but we refuse to financially support it when the server field isnt level. being able to show rank while other cant is a major advantage.

this might be a mod and its only a little rank symbol but as you know, bf2 players are like sheep when it comes to the rank, that little symbol comes first, then fun and they will follow it off a cliff. i mean would you really expect the vanilla bf2 nonranked servers to even hold a candle to the ranked ones for player count?

dont get me wrong, i would do it too if i could but ive come to accept that our server provider will never allow us to do it but id never fault you for doing it or think less nor do i hold it against you guys, its all ea's fault with the stupid rank anyway but it just truly sucks being on the receiving end trying to keep any other server populated.

I couldn't have said it better myself.... Our server is coming down some time this week... I can't wait on the patch no longer and with it getting dominated by population due to a few showing up Ranked and ours not..its just not worth it even though its free since I own the server and the bandwidth is paid for the year.

Mitch

06-19-2007, 03:47 PM

I couldn't have said it better myself.... Our server is coming down some time this week... I can't wait on the patch no longer and with it getting dominated by population due to a few showing up Ranked and ours not..its just not worth it even though its free since I own the server and the bandwidth is paid for the year.

Yea I guess it's easier to just throw your hands up and say I give up than it is to work with someone that is already hosting DCON for the community. Again I am going to tell you guys to grow up and loose the childish clan mentality so that we can work together to support the mod for the community in general and not your own clan’s interest.

The facts speak for them self, we have roughly 200 servers hosting this mod and we only have about 200 people playing this mod at any given time if were lucky, so you do the math. Do you sincerely think we need another server hosting this mod or should we drop the clan ego ******** and maybe try working together to support the mod for the community in general or should we continue to fight over the few players that are actually interested in supporting and playing the mod?

Look it’s not a clan or an ego thing with me, all I play is DCON so I have a vested interest in seeing this mod do well and I don’t think that can be accomplished by us clan and server owners fighting over a piece of the action when there is not that much action to begin with so why don’t you try giving my idea a try as it can’t hurt?

I will again extend my offer to work with any person or clan that is interested in truly supporting the mod so if you can get past the ego trip and you want to actually support the mod for the community and not your own self interest then let me know and I will be more than happy to work with you on this so that you can be an integral part of supporting DCON for the community.

sava700

06-19-2007, 05:38 PM

Yea I guess it's easier to just throw your hands up and say I give up than it is to work with someone that is already hosting DCON for the community. Again I am going to tell you guys to grow up and loose the childish clan mentality so that we can work together to support the mod for the community in general and not your own clan’s interest.

The facts speak for them self, we have roughly 200 servers hosting this mod and we only have about 200 people playing this mod at any given time if were lucky, so you do the math. Do you sincerely think we need another server hosting this mod or should we drop the clan ego ******** and maybe try working together to support the mod for the community in general or should we continue to fight over the few players that are actually interested in supporting and playing the mod?

No disrespect meant towards you Mitch or anyone else.... and this has nothing to do with Clan ego.. We have discussed many things on Vent before and your a very nice guy so don't get me wrong about anything I post. But the bottom line is there is no way for the rest of us to compete with yours or the other few servers that show up as "Ranked". And when I say "Compete" I just that term lightly since its not a competition as we do need to work together, However a server is useless without a solid stream of players. I've tried everything I can do to make it show up ranked but it seems to be from MyIS that is making it show up that way or just the provider in general.

Its a shame too.. since the box ours is running on is about 5times more powerful than the majority of "rental" boxes you can get along with Dedicated Bandwidth. I've spent hours testing all the servers I could find playing this mod and only about 5% of them are internet lag free and are not choppy even with only 10 or less players..I can only imagin some of them that have 20+ are running. I've not seen a rented server provider rent a box that didn't have several instances of the same game or many games running on it yet that didn't do this.

Box specs are Quad Core Xeon, 2gigs server side ram, Dual 15k Hot-swap SCSI drives.. thats just a drop in the bucket for hardware not to mention I spent several days with it sitting beside me tweaking services,settings and options before shipping it off to one of the best and fastest Co-location facilities in the US.

But I'm patient and although I'd like to just take it down and say the hell with it.. I'll leave it up in hopes that within the next few days the patch will come out. Cause if this game isn't patched within the next week i'm sorry to say that this mod is doomed.

3_stooges_geo

06-20-2007, 01:49 AM

sava700

06-20-2007, 02:29 AM

ArcticFox_uk

06-20-2007, 01:30 PM

Is this tool ok to use on a Vanilla ranked server, or would it be breaking rules?

3_stooges_geo

06-20-2007, 02:06 PM

Is this tool ok to use on a Vanilla ranked server, or would it be breaking rules?
no,cant use it.

HaVOCK-ElEEt

06-21-2007, 01:42 AM

out of pure respect for the other server id never dream of doing such a thing.

We never had to to do that in the past, because most good Servers in DC era days had admins, and they didn''t take kindly to that kind of crap. The servers i played on would kick you for wasting resources. Im talking to the level that if it was a really bad *** round of DC, and some total noob kept taking the fighter, tipping the balance of a close match for no reason, they got kicked. You can do or not do anything you want, on almost every server with these mods.

id suspect i was base rapped relentlessly that same day before i made my first comment in this thread hence the hostility.

Why do people direct hostility at the DEVs? As if they are responsible for asshats? lol I don't buy the argument, there isn't a good reason for it to date.

it just baffles me because all other mods seem to have the team players, the guys that know what it takes to win and show respect for their fellow players, DCON though is just the opposite, its the most poorly skilled smacktards ive ever seen in my life. it seems that all the truly skilled and respectable players left third week after release.

Thats just rude lol, and way off the mark from my experience. The DCON games I have played, are the most skilled and bloody matches I have seen since DCF. I go right to the flags, and thats where my battles take place. Attacking and capturing a Flag, then holding it no matter who comes. When I lose it, I go right back to it. Thats what DC and did for me. The final result of all this (for me) is to leave the battlefield series behind, because the party is over, and the bartender is turning on the lights. "Last call, go home please, its over" :dead:

Mitch

06-21-2007, 05:37 AM

we wont be too far behind you in shutting ours down for mostly the same reasons.
we even made the maps have death bubbles around mains to do away with base raping,but not having that rank symbol next to server seems to be the main problem,even with those that complain about the base raping and asked for a death bubble,wont leave a server with the ranked symbol to go to a server without the rank symbol but with a death bubble.

Hate to tell you this but I added the same script to my other DCON server and even offered to let players that complained about the base raping limited admin on it.

Guess what happen, instead of going over to play on the other server with the base raping script, they returned to the server where base raping is permitted only to complain some more about the base raping and yes this server has a ranked symbol just like the other so that has nothing to do with the players not taking advantage of the server.

I am sorry but you guys kill me with this crap and after weeks of listing to players and trying to work with other clans to support the mod and cater to all the playing styles I have come to the conclusion that most of you guys simply are not happy unless you have something to complain about.

You know some of you guys need to try stop complaining long enough so that you can try to be part of the solution because all the time you’re wasting complaining on the forums is not going to accomplish anything. I find it a bit sad that in all the post on this subject that not one person made a sincere effort to offer some solutions or was willing to work together to support the mod for the good of the community and the players its all woe is me....BooHoo:shakehead:

Since I have been here long enough to anticipate the reaction I am going to get from most of you over this post, let me get this out of the way now. I make no apologies nor do I feel any remorse for how I host our DCON servers as I have never misled players about the fact that the servers are not actually ranked. So before you start know full well that I am not going to back down from my position over the use of the ranked symbols as I will use every advantage to assure that players are able to see our servers in their browser so that there are good populated servers for all to enjoy.

See the truth of the matter is that most of you folks only care about serving your own best interest and really don’t care about the mod for the good of the community and that why there are not more DCON players than there are. I get the impression that the only way you will be happy is if you are able to get all the DCON players on a (your) server where you can control the players and the environment so that is suits your own playing style and that is why this mod does not have the fan base it should.

3_stooges_geo

06-21-2007, 09:30 AM

i didnt use the script,i made my own death bubbles on the maps so it wouldnt affect jets that were in the middle of dog fights.
as far as the whether the rank symbol makes a difference or not, prove us all wrong and remove the rank symbol for a day,just one day.
might be hard to do now that there only maybe 100-150 max d-con players now.

sava700

06-21-2007, 05:02 PM

I support the mod.. but the mod isn't supporting itself. CAL has started its tourney and is over half way through since they couldn't wait for the patch any longer...after the tourney is over half those players and teams in it will crumble and move on to something else, a few teams had so many players lose interest that they had to forfeit till they were out of it anyway.

Mitch, Again no disrespect but what you fail to understand is 3 stooge and myself are not the only ones that feel this way. We are just the only ones bringing up the issue at hand and that is how the server reflects upon search settings. Your server was up and running prob since day one and thats great..and its fun to play on it so don't get me wrong. But the rest of us that wish to support the mod and run a server for it are wasting our time,resources and money since we lack a clear advantage that yours and a few others have.
I'm not going to go as far as say remove the ranked symbol and see what happens cause its pointless.. the players already have it in favs and will come back to it no matter what at this point so it has already established its foot hold on the Mod and players choice.

I don't wish to control anyone on any server..that would just make me and my other members "Nazi admins" and thats not what this is about. Its about the MOD and having GOOD SOLID servers up and running for it. As I said before "rented" boxes have several instances of the game,apps and whatever else running on it therefore knocking down the resources to maintain a lag free experience. I've look at yours and other servers and I've noticed there are several TCP and UDP packets going in and out so that tells me based on ports that there are indeed several things running on them. And I don't blame the server providers since it would be stupid on their part not to.

A instance of BF2 takes up only a small percentage of ram so on a 2gig box you would run prob upwards of 50, all sharing the same amount of bandwidth the server is hooked to which is about 100.

The server I have up below me as do a few others when you search are Dedicated Boxes that are owned.. I own mine, setup by me only and co-located by one of the most reliable hosts in the world. But, it lacks a clear advantage that EA/DICE and now QuakeWars is using to ruin the games and the mods later to be released based on these game engines.