Upgrading just for BF2142?

[Cloud9]

With all the excitment and anticipation for the upcoming BF2142 release. Has anyone been so BF2142 crazy enough to buy or plan on purchasing a whole new computer system just because of this game? I mean in the sense of those of you hardcore gamers out there wanting to be able to run @ 1600+ resolutions with Fully maxed out details and AA/AF settings with silky smooth gameplay. I for one am one of those Eye Candy junkies that just has to have everything set to high and if I cant I want to upgrade so I can. Once you've had it you don't want to go back to anything less.

With BF2142 there want be very much advancements graphically, but there will be added effects and bumped details available over what we currently have in BF2, which will require a little more beefed up system to run max resolutions and details.

I for one am saving up for a new Intel Conroe Core2 Extreme system with SLI and a Dell 24" 2407 LCD. What about you guys?

[ReaperOfsouls]

Yes I am building a new oc and the biggest factor was BF2142 but I have been needing a new pc for years and this was the thing to push me to do it, better explosions, all teh CQC its going to need a good system to run it with all the eye candy.

I have herd about conroe and from what I hear Pentium has finally adopted AMD's thinking of the more GHz does not mean better.

But I am an AMD fan and always will be and AMD ahs responded to Conroe with teh new AM2 socket so its back on top.

A good cpu though none the less.

[Cloud9]

I've also been an AMD fan boy.... my current system is an Athlon 64 fx-57. A fast chip, but its still single core and games are gradually adopting dual core chips..especially by years end and 2007+ released games. If AMD had something the same price as the Core 2 extreme within a month or so of its release period that out did intel I'd do it, but AMDs answer to Core 2 extreme will be "AMD 4x4", which requires (2) 62-FXs and double the ram on one motherboard...obviously a lot more expensive than buying a new Core 2 system. Fx-62 is AM2 and the Core 2 beats it. I have no loyalties anymore when it comes to technology..I simply pick whats best at the time..if that means Intel..then so be it.

[Miniman]

i bought a new GFX card jsut for bf2 - arrived the day before release, so i didnt get much time with the demo

[ReaperOfsouls]

I've also been an AMD fan boy.... my current system is an Athlon 64 fx-57. A fast chip, but its still single core and games are gradually adopting dual core chips..especially by years end and 2007+ released games. If AMD had something the same price as the Core 2 extreme within a month or so of its release period that out did intel I'd do it, but AMDs answer to Core 2 extreme will be "AMD 4x4", which requires (2) 62-FXs and double the ram on one motherboard...obviously a lot more expensive than buying a new Core 2 system. Fx-62 is AM2 and the Core 2 beats it. I have no loyalties anymore when it comes to technology..I simply pick whats best at the time..if that means Intel..then so be it.

You seem like you know alot about comps can you ump over to teh tech center (its the sub forum of the support section) and answer my 2 questions about mobo's and the ram for the new am2 socket?

[Athanasios]

I have herd about conroe and from what I hear Pentium has finally adopted AMD's thinking of the more GHz does not mean better.

But I am an AMD fan and always will be and AMD ahs responded to Conroe with teh new AM2 socket so its back on top.

A good cpu though none the less.
No no no... totally wrong here. AM2 is not the response to Conroe since they were developed/released before Conroe was shown to public. The response to Conroe are supposed to be K-18 AMD processors but Intel is adopting very aggressive pricing policy in Conroe and AMD will be in danger of sold-out (yep, you hear well) since K-18 are planned for next year...

And im happy to see (at last, after many posts...) that someone is aware of Conroe which kicks AMD FX-62 (the leadeship of AMD to date) very tough and actually does this with ease, with over 50% more perfomance...

Anyway, below i quote (copy & paste) a mail ive sent to a personal friend for this particular subject (Conroe VS FX):

After your suggestion about AMD, i did dig most serious sites over the net, Tomshardware, Guru3d, Tweaktown, Hexus to name a few and indeed, AMD has the upper hand now. Beating even Intel eXtreme Edition dual cores with ease, consuming 120 watts (and not 380 !!!) and all in all, is the " top of the top".

Well, until now. Intel strikes back and their march is just talor-made and fierce, it isn't another "leapfrogging" ... Conroe X6800 seems unstoppable and for me, until i see more benchmarks on September (the release time), the undoubtful winner:

1. It will be shipped around 400$, when FX-62 costs around 1.000$ (600$ in my wallet, sounds like two ATI x1900xtx ICEq3 for me...)
2. It consums 40 to 20 watts less than FX-62 (check this (http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=240)article)
3. It has, more or less, 50% better perfomance than FX-62

Anyway, no more bubbling. It's time for the numbers to speak...
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/914/1/page_1_benchmarking_intel_conroe_core_2/index.html

Enjoy B-) !
I strongly suggest you read the articles i mention in that email before proceeding to an upgrade.

And to cut the babbling, im upgrading system too but not for bf2142. It's due to the fact that i need more horsepower. Here's what im upgrading:

-Intel Conroe X6800 (or E6700, depending on the price gap)
-Zalman CNPS 9500 cpu cooler
-ATI X1900XTX HiS ICEq3 TURBO
-Corsair Twinn2X2048 6400C4 PRO 2GB
-GIGABYTE or ASUS motherboard

And like you prefer AMD now (and im sure you will not after you check the benchmarks), im after ATI in cards against NVIDIA. I would post dozens of links to prove that ATI is way more mature and years ahead from NVIDIA in graphic cards. What NVIDIA does with SLI (two cards in fact) ATI does it with one card. Moreover, it's common place that ATI cards provide better IQ (Image Quality) with lower settings in comparison to NVIDIA. Also, NVIDIA does not support dynamic fan control and a huge array of overclocking/card control utilities, meaning that each time your 7950 goes hot, you're having a hairdresser in your comp. Not to mention AA + HDR that only ATI supports and it's used more and more in games. Finally, ATI cards are not only "graphic cards", they are also top video encoders and when we jump to HD (High Definition) TVs, ATI has the first and only word.

The only drawback of ATIs card is the cooling system. But with HiS card and ICEq3 technology this is not more the case. Just check it out: http://www.hisdigital.com/html/home.php .

Logistically speaking, just check the prices.... ATI X1900XTX is a 4 months card and 7950 costs just a bit over it (50-100$/E). Which, in marketting/computer language means that this product hardly passes its rival. And if you want me to comment on 7950, well, you'll need a new PSU, a new CPU, a new motherboard and generally speaking, a new system to get the most out of it. If you ask me, im not upgrading a whole system for a single graphic card...

Anyway, that's a lot of writing, but i hope most of you will take the right decisions and save some bucks in your pocket, while getting the best of the best ;).

[ReaperOfsouls]

AS far as teh quality oges on Low for ATI thats BS.

I have a ATi X800 with updated drivers and all that other good stuff adn I am running BF2 on medium adn the shadow quality on some things is Sh&t tbh.

Its pixle lated and all that other bad stuff.

AS far as me getting any of this stuff your talking aobut its no use lol.

All the stuff I am getting is not affected by the current AMD and Pentium war.

I just got this mobo so I am not getting an AM2 mobo untill next summer along with all the other goodies.

I did not know about AMD's K-8 or whjatever thats cool though.

I do know all about conro though and am glad to see that pentium is picking up hte slack now that there is adequit competition maybe AMD's prices will come down so in a year I can get the best stuff with less of a dent in my wallet.

[Athanasios]

AS far as teh quality oges on Low for ATI thats BS.

I have a ATi X800 with updated drivers and all that other good stuff adn I am running BF2 on medium adn the shadow quality on some things is Sh&t tbh.

Its pixle lated and all that other bad stuff.

AS far as me getting any of this stuff your talking aobut its no use lol.

All the stuff I am getting is not affected by the current AMD and Pentium war.

I just got this mobo so I am not getting an AM2 mobo untill next summer along with all the other goodies.

I did not know about AMD's K-8 or whjatever thats cool though.

I do know all about conro though and am glad to see that pentium is picking up hte slack now that there is adequit competition maybe AMD's prices will come down so in a year I can get the best stuff with less of a dent in my wallet.

About ATI, i have an X800XL and ofcourse, X800 series are not their top cards, just like 7200 are not NVIDIA's top cards. 7950 are compared with x1900 series, not x800. About IQ, check the benchmarks and read some of the numerous (and serious/unbiased) hardware sites.

About Conroe, take the time to read the reviews i have posted links of. Being aware and keep track of the developements is not something to blame.

[ReaperOfsouls]

I know about conroe adn I am not dissing it at all, I know its a powerhouse CPU and it Rivals AMd but by the time I get around ot buying another CPU I am sure AMD will have something new out and if not then I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

[Athanasios]

This is what im pointing out.... K-18 processors (the new cpu architecture of AMD) are not coming out until 2008... and maybe, they will never come out for the aforementioned reasons...

[Cloud9]

Intel bumped the Conroe Core release dates up. Now its set for July 13th here in the US and 14th in europe. X6800(extreme) is priced at $999 and the next down x6600 around $550 I believe.

[ReaperOfsouls]

This is what im pointing out.... K-18 processors (the new cpu architecture of AMD) are not coming out until 2008... and maybe, they will never come out for the aforementioned reasons...

Release dates change as we all know :p

None the less I am just thinking way far ahead its literally going to be a year before I buy my next CPU I am just trying to understand this new technology hence all the posts in the tech center about certin things.

[RedDot]

I'm changing my computer for it... only I need to find more 5 gig of RAM (yes, I'm wacko)

[kiss my RICE]

Wow...u guys r really crazy about ur pc's. As for me, I really don't have a choice..from the way you guys type, I would guess that you're all 18+ and have jobs/internships where you're getting your dough from. I don't even have a workers permit (just turned 14) and barely know the insides of a computer, but I can tell you how to play soccer (made odsl division 1 baby;) my computer right now is a medium to fast one...I think if I overclocked it...I could get more functions out of it. Also, the minimum requirements of BF2142 have more or less stayed the same, especially in my case, the ram. 512 MB's of ram is what is required to play on minimum settings, I have 1 gig. I'm thinking about adding half a gig of ram, but I'm not worried about being the first into the game (which is what ram affects most) I'm pretty used to the 5 minute load times, so its not a problem. As for graphics cards, you guys are talking some pretty advanced stuff, some in the 250-650$ department. What I'm talking about is the 6800gt which is now a "bargain deal" at my nearby microcenter. 140$ for a pretty powerful card is a good deal. I was looking towards Ati's X1000's, but overlooked them when I saw that the X1600 pro was 160$ but didn't give much more performance over my current card: Radeon 9800 XTX 256MB AGP Card.


As far as motherboards go, I am forced to keep mine, though its an Asus Deluxe, it still only supports AGP cards. My CPU is fine..its a Athlon 64 3200+ and works fine for me. As of right now, I have to buy that graphics card and ram, and continue to pray that my soccer team will make the championships, and that france will kick italy's ***.:D

[Smeg]

Yes im getting a new PC if all goes as planed i will be ordering my new laptop friday, and getting it in august.

[colony]

I'm just gonna upgrade to 2GB of RAM

My current system is holding up just fine for BF2 so I dont see any need to upgrade till R600/G80 mid range refreshes sometime next year as well as an inexpensive conroe cpu.

Right now I've got

Sempron 64 2800+ oced to 2.4GHz with 256k L2 cache
Geforce 6800GS PCIe 490core/1200mem
1GB DDR400

[ReaperOfsouls]

I have upgrade my **** Hp as far as it will go so its time for me to try and build one.

To Kiss my rice:

I knew absoulty nothing about Pc's a year ago and still have a lot to learn.

All you have to do is stay in the loop so to speak, start reading PC magizenes like CPU (Computer Power User www.computerpoweruser.com) and go on some tech forums and read/post questions.

I am in college so I get to meets loads of people that have built PC's before, plus old clan mates, and other people I know online all know way more than me so I just ask them and soak up any information they are will to give me but at the same time check with others to make sure it's legit.

Three things you will ever need to know that matter the most when looking to run a new game/upragde for better performance:

CPU
RAM
GPU

Those are the big three with tons of other inbetween.

[Ping King]

Mine (http://bestbuy.shoplocal.com/bestbuy/default.aspx?action=detail&flashbrowse=y&storeid=2413090&rapid=288275&pagenumber=14&listingid=-2094791626&ref=%2fbestbuy%2fdefault.aspx%3faction%3dbrowsepag eflash%26storeid%3d2413090%26pagenumber%3d14%26rap id%3d288275%26prvid%3d070206ba)
W/ a HD Flat Screen 19"

[kiss my RICE]

Mine (http://bestbuy.shoplocal.com/bestbuy/default.aspx?action=detail&flashbrowse=y&storeid=2413090&rapid=288275&pagenumber=14&listingid=-2094791626&ref=%2fbestbuy%2fdefault.aspx%3faction%3dbrowsepag eflash%26storeid%3d2413090%26pagenumber%3d14%26rap id%3d288275%26prvid%3d070206ba)
W/ a HD Flat Screen 19"

Sweet rig, but the graphics card could use some upgrading;) . Its actually worse than mine:D .

To ReaperofSouls: Thanks for the information on the subject, I knew that the CPU, RAM, and GPU (Graphics Processor) were the big ones. However, I also know that the graphics card will make the biggest difference on the gameplay, so long as ur other parts are OK, but I will need more ram...70$ for half a gig of ram...isn't too bad.:cry:

[Cicchetti]

I will be getting a new video card but it has nothing to do with 2142 but more to do with vista anyways i could use an upgrade and dx10 is the only way i can give my self a reason to upgrade lol heres to graphics lol

[Athanasios]

Intel bumped the Conroe Core release dates up. Now its set for July 13th here in the US and 14th in europe. X6800(extreme) is priced at $999 and the next down x6600 around $550 I believe.

Really??? Well, if the price gap is such one, im after E6700 then (not extreme editions) since X6800 and E6700 benchmarks have minor differences. On the other hand, im upgrading in September so, i might grab X6800 as the prices will fall in 3 months :).

@ReaperofSouls: You don't have to read pc magazines, most of them are biased. Internet sources, when chosen correctly, are the most valid. And ofcourse (most important), you must be in the computer stuff to get the hang of it.... If you don't open your pc, take out some screws, pull out memory modules, PSU cables, CPU cooler and generally speaking, make your PC upside-down, don't expect to move on.

Risk is the motive of advancement ;).

[ReaperOfsouls]

Really??? Well, if the price gap is such one, im after E6700 then (not extreme editions) since X6800 and E6700 benchmarks have minor differences. On the other hand, im upgrading in September so, i might grab X6800 as the prices will fall in 3 months :).

@ReaperofSouls: You don't have to read pc magazines, most of them are biased. Internet sources, when chosen correctly, are the most valid. And ofcourse (most important), you must be in the computer stuff to get the hang of it.... If you don't open your pc, take out some screws, pull out memory modules, PSU cables, CPU cooler and generally speaking, make your PC upside-down, don't expect to move on.

Risk is the motive of advancement ;).

Not when there are 15 diffrent coliumnists, so unless your dumb you can seperate the biased from the truth.

AS far as taking apart my pc, do you have money to give me if I break it?

Did not think so and I am not trying to be out of a PC just casue I wanted to tinker.

I am building a new one and have asked around so as far as I know I think I can do it.

And as far as if you dont take risks you dont move on, it goes both ways.

Take a risk and lose you go backward ;)

And technically I am taking a risk building a new PC for the first time so shove it :D

[menace-uk-]

Not when there are 15 diffrent coliumnists, so unless your dumb you can seperate the biased from the truth.

AS far as taking apart my pc, do you have money to give me if I break it?

Did not think so and I am not trying to be out of a PC just casue I wanted to tinker.

I am building a new one and have asked around so as far as I know I think I can do it.

And as far as if you dont take risks you dont move on, it goes both ways.

Take a risk and lose you go backward ;)

And technically I am taking a risk building a new PC for the first time so shove it :D

I used to think like you that PC's were had to build:laugh:

Trust me they are a piss of piss to build i built my first comp 5 years ago and i am useing it now and have built 12 others for friends:D ;)

Also there are lots of books out there that tell you how to build so just go buy 1 i got the HAYNES how to build a comp here that i got my cousin and it is good lots of pictures maybe see if you can find in a good PC stockist and see what you think:D

Also all opinions in all magazines no matter what there for a biased in 1 way or another;)

[Cicchetti]

Not when there are 15 diffrent coliumnists, so unless your dumb you can seperate the biased from the truth.

AS far as taking apart my pc, do you have money to give me if I break it?

Did not think so and I am not trying to be out of a PC just casue I wanted to tinker.

I am building a new one and have asked around so as far as I know I think I can do it.

And as far as if you dont take risks you dont move on, it goes both ways.

Take a risk and lose you go backward ;)

And technically I am taking a risk building a new PC for the first time so shove it :D


You should be fine building a PC the hardest part is putting the wires from your case to your mobo and thats because of the directions suck most of the time lol

[ReaperOfsouls]

Thanks for all the support though guys.

I have the mobo, ram right now.

I hopefully will have the money for the rest soon and I'll post some pics of my PC when Im done building it some where in the forums, prolly Of topic or general discussion.

[Athanasios]

AS far as taking apart my pc, do you have money to give me if I break it?

Did not think so and I am not trying to be out of a PC just casue I wanted to tinker.

I am building a new one and have asked around so as far as I know I think I can do it.

And as far as if you dont take risks you dont move on, it goes both ways.

Take a risk and lose you go backward ;)

And technically I am taking a risk building a new PC for the first time so shove it

LOL, well, actually i can afford to buy you a pc in case you destroy your new one, but i won't do it for several (obvious) reasons.

Anyway, building a pc is nothing in front of designing even the smallest part of it (i study Electrical & Computer Engineer...). Building a pc is actually like building a LEGO - nothing more.

Anyway, back to topic, be sure to overclock your ram otherwise you lose its full potential. At least this is what i would do in your case...

[ReaperOfsouls]

Well seeings it voids the warrenty and I don't have 200 dollers to spare if it messes up it would be idiological to do that.

[kiss my RICE]

Luckily for me, my father is a computer programmer and knows the PC inside and out. I plan to get a 6800 GT, which outperforms the X1600 512MB AGP card, and beats it in price as well. I can also turn to the turbocache if I seriously need more graphics memory.

[ReaperOfsouls]

Luckily for me, my father is a computer programmer and knows the PC inside and out. I plan to get a 6800 GT, which outperforms the X1600 512MB AGP card, and beats it in price as well. I can also turn to the turbocache if I seriously need more graphics memory.

With teh system I am building I wont need to overclock and don't intend to.

I have the money for the PC, but not to replace parts because I voided the warrenty trying to squeez more performence then the warrenty deems fit.

[kiss my RICE]

With teh system I am building I wont need to overclock and don't intend to.

I have the money for the PC, but not to replace parts because I voided the warrenty trying to squeez more performence then the warrenty deems fit.

Well, I wasn't exactly talking about overclocking. My system has the crappiest heat controlling system ever. It has a fan on the graphics card itself, and another that is mounted on the back of the system, venting the air out. I used to have to put a desk fan right behind my PC, but now I have to use an entire "family" fan (the large ones that are about half your height with huge blades) and point it at my PC. Its saddening, but I get by and it doesn't cost me 130+ dollars to cool down my PC for one of those "HIS" systems. When I get the X1600 512 MB AGP card (Yes this is the last time that I will change my idea for graphics cards) I will probably have to go to the NEXT level of cooling down my PC, which is adding icecubes and putting them in front of the fan to send in cooler air...saddening isn't it? I can't wait for winter to arrive...snowballs, snowcones, ice cream, overclocking...its all there. Plus, I won't be getting any more ram. Its simply too expensive. The 85 dollar price tag on one gigabyte of ram is 85 dollars over my budget. I'll stick with the 1 gig I have now and accept the longer load times, but the 1 gig should get the job done and my gameplay will be smooth once I overcome the first few minutes of lag that I get when I first enter a server!

[ReaperOfsouls]

For the 10 millioneth time, the ram has nothing to do with the verification process, its you HD.

The ram has something to do with it obviouly but its the Hd and how you have it hooked up that matter the most.

My friend has a Raid 0 I belive (the striping one what ever number it is might be RAID 1 i dont know for sure) and he loads and verifies client data in 10 seconds. So hes in a server playing in 10 seconds meanwhile I am waiting 20 seconds to load and then another 2 mins to verifiy.

[menace-uk-]

I have UPGRADING AND REPARING YOUR PC 17thEDITION in PDF format if you want it reaper let me know and ill upload it and PM you the link;)

[ReaperOfsouls]

Hmm, Let me do some googleing first.

[NiSsE]

look at this, it shows the temperture of the GPU :p
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b73/_NiSsE_91_/GPU.jpg
yes it's swedish but it can't be that hard too understand :rolleyes:

[3lliot3vans]

It is... :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[DarQraven]

Lol, swedish is at least a BIT legible if you speak a germanic language like me (dutch). Btw, seeing as you only fill up 2 of the available 10 temperature bars right now, it's time to OC that beast:p

[NiSsE]

Lol, swedish is at least a BIT legible if you speak a germanic language like me (dutch). Btw, seeing as you only fill up 2 of the available 10 temperature bars right now, it's time to OC that beast:p

hehe... well i can't doo much right now since it's new :p
and you say it's not much 2 bars out of 10 it's almost too hot to be in my room :rolleyes:

[3lliot3vans]

hehe... well i can't doo much right now since it's new :p
and you say it's not much 2 bars out of 10 it's almost too hot to be in my room :rolleyes:
Yeh i'm sure my PC heats up my room, it's a night-mare to sleep. :rolleyes:

[ReaperOfsouls]

Get a water cooler lol.

[St.Sasquatch]

um.. my computer is just.. yeah.. and im not so good with computers.. :P before i played on TV2 servers (64 maps with 64 players.. really big company) and i had TS and MSN up and still i could fly without lagging.. now the only servers i can play on without, ok then, with not so much lagg is 16 karkand servers.. so do anyone know what i can buy to my comp to make it a bit faster? i really would like to play BF2142 without lagg..

[ReaperOfsouls]

Just do maintinece.

Do virus and spyware scan, disk clean up, defrag, etc.

Also if you go teh the bf2 pod cast site they have a TON of tweaks for BF2.

[St.Sasquatch]

i just did a scan and a defrag.. it did help some but i still lagg.. this pc is full of useless stuff but i dont know what to delite.. this aint really my comp.. my brother just bought he's own so now he dosent fill this up as much.. but he still got 60gb of he's stuff.. songs, videos ect.. he dosent want to remove them but if it would help i know many ways i can force him to do it.. my sister has some small games here im sure, but i cant figure out where they are..

[NiSsE]

Get a water cooler lol.
good idea ;)