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[Richard012345]

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/battlefield2142/news.html?sid=6153598

[Richard012345]

I'm not happy about the complete nerfing of all vehicles...
Looks like BF2142 will call for me to use my ground pounding skillz.

I miss jets already!:cry:

[ReaperOfsouls]

So much for balancing

The PAC has perfected hover technology, so their vehicles are a bit more agile than those of the EU.

EDIT: I read later on that the PAC turret is a fixed turret so you have to move whole vehicle to shoot it.

[Richard012345]

It's a funny thing really; they can perfect flight while they can't get a gun to turn...

[ReaperOfsouls]

It's a funny thing really; they can perfect flight while they can't get a gun to turn...

I was thinking same thing lol.

They have better technology to hover, but they forgot how to make a turret turn lol.

[kiss my RICE]

Well...if u think about it...every time that that turret moves, the entire system would have to readjust, and recalculate the exact weight spread to even out the mass and keept the vehicle balanced so it can hover.

[kiss my RICE]

Also, richard..u forgot to mention the new screenies that come wif the article(see side of article).

[Richard012345]

Well...if u think about it...every time that that turret moves, the entire system would have to readjust, and recalculate the exact weight spread to even out the mass and keept the vehicle balanced so it can hover.
Or, since they've already perfected hovering, the gunship would automatically correct itself...:eek:

[Richard012345]

Also, richard..u forgot to mention the new screenies that come wif the article(see side of article).
Those are part of the article, I didn't need to note them.:p

[ReaperOfsouls]

Or, since they've already perfected hovering, the gunship would automatically correct itself...:eek:

Yurp :salute:

[kiss my RICE]

Or, since they've already perfected hovering, the gunship would automatically correct itself...:eek:

Or...u could shuddup...:p

[Richard012345]

I Lament The Loss Of Jets!!!

[kiss my RICE]

relax...mebbie u can customize the look of helo-jets so they look like jets..yeah...my brain just started to work again.

[Richard012345]

relax...mebbie u can customize the look of helo-jets so they look like jets..yeah...my brain just started to work again.
I know you can customize your soldier, but I don't think you can tweak the vehicles...

[Richard012345]

I know you can customize your soldier, but I don't think you can tweak the vehicles...
Otherwise I'd be ridin' dirty down the icy streets in my H2 with spinnaz.:rolleyes:

[kiss my RICE]

Otherwise I'd be ridin' dirty down the icy streets in my H2 with spinnaz.:rolleyes:


And u could drive-by the PAC troops while smoking a blunt...with bob saget in the back seat rollin' em.:p

[Richard012345]

And u could drive-by the PAC troops while smoking a blunt...with bob saget in the back seat rollin' em.:p
Exactly. But I gotta watch fo' tem po po'z...

[Splinter]

So, Mechs have a crew of 3,
driver/AT gunner
Anti Inf gunner using the mini guns
and from what I've seen, a gunner on top, maybe an AA gun :D
Parachutes default key is space, not 9.
Make's sence, it's would be easy'er when jumping off buildings:)
Flack cannons are back!!!:D:D:D:D:D
lol, I like how the PAC can create a hover tank but forget how to make a moving the turret:P, but I know it's just for balance so it works out.

[Steakslim]

And u could drive-by the PAC troops while smoking a blunt...with bob saget in the back seat rollin' em.:p

You know when your cruizin with Saget, that some ****'s gonna go down. Just don't call him Patty and you'll be alright.

[ReaperOfsouls]

Wheres it say a mech needs 3 to fully operate?

No that hard though, just roll up, walk up rather to some infatry, switch seats and blast em and keep going.

Reminds me of the good ol days of seat swtiching in BFV.

[Dangerdog]

oh you can just hear the airplane whores now, "OMG they nerfed the game down for N00BS!"

Looks like they've even removed the guns from the troop transport aircraft, no need to worry about that Blackhawk and it's overpowered mini-gun with this baby!

Lot's of people were affraid BF2142 would be too vehicle orientated (over powered walkers etc), seems like they may be focusing more in infantry combat this time.

[ReaperOfsouls]

Or they just want people to play as a team and not fly a J-10 all day just to get a higher rank.

[Souljah]

Jets are out!!! Arghhh!!!!!!! (fire is spurting out of my nostrils) I must say Im really dissapointed about this news, I just knew they were going to turn the jet into a semi helicopter.
Although Im not an avid jet pilot in BF2 I enjoy getting in the jet from time to time and I especially enjoy the immensity they add to the battlefield.
Its true the jets are a little overpowered in BF2 but that doesnt mean they should be excluded in BF2142.
Just counter that by adding more powerfull and reliable anti-aircraft and throw in a couple of more AA outposts.
DICE seem to have a habit of either over noobify or excluding things whenever they run into complications which is really not the right way to handle it.
This game is getting smaller and smaller the more time goes by.

[Cicchetti]

I agree there really should be somthing like jets and as he said they are alittle overpowering when the right person gets into it but its all part of the game its battlefield........

[Cazzy]

I may be in the minority but I applaud the removal of the jets for these reasons: They are overpowered to begin with and not many people know how to use or even bother to use AA correctly. They unbalance the game because of this. And in my experience most pilots are just out to farm points and gain medals and could care less whether their team wins or loses as long as they go 68-0 each round. How effective are those bombing runs when your team has 1 flag left and 2 planes in the air? Oh and dont forget the 5-10 useless team members dancing around waiting for the jet to spawn and/or temakilling each other in the process.... always a great help to the team too- If they were to be in the game at some point, why not just make them slower & more vulnerable so they are easier to take down? How long does the average player last in any other vehicle? Maybe a few minutes? A good pilot can grab a plane at the start of a round and fly it for 20 minutes, while reloading & re-arming. Just to prove my point....

[kiss my RICE]

I may be in the minority but I applaud the removal of the jets for these reasons: They are overpowered to begin with and not many people know how to use or even bother to use AA correctly. They unbalance the game because of this. And in my experience most pilots are just out to farm points and gain medals and could care less whether their team wins or loses as long as they go 68-0 each round. How effective are those bombing runs when your team has 1 flag left and 2 planes in the air? Oh and dont forget the 5-10 useless team members dancing around waiting for the jet to spawn and/or temakilling each other in the process.... always a great help to the team too- If they were to be in the game at some point, why not just make them slower & more vulnerable so they are easier to take down? How long does the average player last in any other vehicle? Maybe a few minutes? A good pilot can grab a plane at the start of a round and fly it for 20 minutes, while reloading & re-arming. Just to prove my point....

I agree 100% and applaud ur writing. However, you're being a little harsh and bias in the writing. Obviously, you've always been on the receiving end of aircraft, as have I. But, try to look at it from the pilot's perspective, many actually do help the team. As you know, every death of the enemy team is a ticket lost, and good pilots just rack up the game. If you go into a Wake Island server, it is very unlikely that the team losing is the team with the pilot who has 60-80 straight kills. As for me, being on the team with the good pilot is awesome. So long as the pilot is a good one, and can distinguish between friendly and enemy by sight alone, I have absolutely no problem with DICE including jets into the game. However, as we all know, what I painted a picture of back there is a complete dream, it happens rarely, unless you're in a good server, and I would agree with you that taking out jets was good move on DICE's part.:)

[Cazzy]

Yeah Rice, I am biased of course, I hardly ever fly myself, check my stats. I just hate when pilots undiscriminately bomb flags that are getting capped by the enemy when I am on the ground trying to defend and am also killed in the process. Check out the team points score on a flyboy at the end of any round, they are usually in the negative. I agree that they help by reducing tickets for the other team but to me it is just a cheap way of fighting for your side. All the grunts on the ground are legging it out, taking cover, flanking tanks, capping flags, dodging claymores, and healing & rearming teammates. What are the jets doing? Fly one end of the map to the other, bomb, rearm/repair, and repeat. In 2142, these players will actually have to develop some new skills in order to survive-

[kiss my RICE]

Well, take it this way, out a jet, a flyboy is literally helpless. The majority of them can't fly, but are trying anyway, an extremely dangerous thing that needs to be stopped. As for flying..I cannot agree more: it isn't fair, but we'll just have to deal with it. The fact that 2142 doesn't have planes couldn't make me happier. Along with the no-plane rule, there are also flak guns. Now, I'm not a "lifelong" BF2 fan, in fact I've only just started the series with BF2, and it's been good to me. But, apparently, flak guns have made a past appearance in BF1942, but now their making a comeback, along with a secondary fire mode that fires an EMP missle! How great is that? Stopping all of the functions of a helo, and possibly destroying it if it is close enough to the ground. Sweet! Not to mention the personal stingers that the engineer class will carry! BF2 PART TWO: REVENGE OF THE GRUNTS!

[colony]

So you are happy that vehicles are becoming useless in a Battlefield game? :confused:

Was this really a surprise? Infantry only is where BF seems to be going, every vehicles is being nerfed or excluded. Tanks, APC, helo, jets. Nerfed and excluded. So whats the point of using vehicles again?

[Cazzy]

Revenge of the Grunts... I like it! And Colony to answer you, no I dont think all the vehicles should be removed, on the contrary I think there should be some variation of ground & air vehicles. The problem lies with the balance and the players that abuse & exploit tha capabilities of the vehicles. Nobody whined about the planes or tanks in BF'42, they were easy to counter. Not so in BF2. Air can easily dominate a map and a tank crew can pin down an entire team if they are down to 1 flag. My opinion is to have they vehicles more powerful than infantry as they should be, but not so far above that they cannot be countered-

[Asrath]

So you are happy that vehicles are becoming useless in a Battlefield game? :confused:

Was this really a surprise? Infantry only is where BF seems to be going, every vehicles is being nerfed or excluded. Tanks, APC, helo, jets. Nerfed and excluded. So whats the point of using vehicles again?

A vehicle is not an all powerfull machine that can own all the enemies without help (like the aircraft in bf2), do u think that the planes actually can fly around without infantry help? The infantry destroys the defences and the the aircraft (or a tank) does the work. That's teamplay and it is the important thing in this game. BF2142 is not BF2 u must remember it.

[colony]

So we should have useless vehicles instead of something that can actually be worthwhile? Meh dont know if I'll be getting this game now, but maybe just to rack up points and sell my account again.

[Cazzy]

Not to offend Colony, but you are all about what is wrong with all the people that just hang out in jets & tanks, just racking up points for your account, and not caring about the team. After all, when you come down to it, the main goal of the game is to defeat the other side, not be the gold star winner of each round right? Call me silly for wanting to play the game as it was intended... I can honestly say that all my BF2 awards with the exception of basic pistol were earned in the normal course of games, helping my team.... can many others say the same?

[colony]

Not to offend Colony, but you are all about what is wrong with all the people that just hang out in jets & tanks, just racking up points for your account, and not caring about the team. After all, when you come down to it, the main goal of the game is to defeat the other side, not be the gold star winner of each round right? Call me silly for wanting to play the game as it was intended... I can honestly say that all my BF2 awards with the exception of basic pistol were earned in the normal course of games, helping my team.... can many others say the same?

I dont care how you got your awards, I care about having fun. I racked up the points because I am skilled, and sold my account for $300. I didnt pick up BF2 to make money, but I did.

And now that I did, I figure I'll just do the same in 2142, sell my account, then quit because the series is getting nerfed hard with every patch and new game etc.

[Cazzy]

Why even bother to play 2142 at all if the game will not be to your liking? And I would argue that the skills necessary to ride in tanks & jets which dominate the battlefield are much less than it takes to play as infantry. I will give much more respect to a player who I meet 1on1 on the ground and just kills me over & over than I will to someone who is in a jet the whole round and just bombs me randomly... And as for selling the game, how many hours did you have in your account when you sold it for $300? If it was over 100 hours, then congradulations you just made about $3 an hour or less for all your hard work online :) If you want to talk numbers I get $250 a day for my job in 8 hours...

[colony]

Hard work? More like having a blast

[menace-uk-]

Not to offend Colony, but you are all about what is wrong with all the people that just hang out in jets & tanks, just racking up points for your account, and not caring about the team. After all, when you come down to it, the main goal of the game is to defeat the other side, not be the gold star winner of each round right? Call me silly for wanting to play the game as it was intended... I can honestly say that all my BF2 awards with the exception of basic pistol were earned in the normal course of games, helping my team.... can many others say the same?

I got all my awards through normal gameplay including my pistol badges;)

The only thing i am diliking is all the talk of no jets because the jets was a big reason i got BF2 but i will still get 2142 because i spent most time as infantry any way:D

As for the vehical nerfs i dont think it is a bad thing as long as they ar not nerfed too much:p

[colony]

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[Athanasios]

1. Didn't want to get into this discussion since i applaude Crazy's detailed arguments...

Anyway, BF2142 tries to learn from tactical stimulators and so far, it looks ok. As for lack of jets, they have a nice historic background to back it up.

To put it short, war (in real life) is all about "teamwork", although "strategy" is better general term including teamwork. Grab a gun/tank/jet/frigate and jump towards the ememy lines to take out an enemy stronghold or defend yours yourself. Believe it or not, you'll either be killed in no time by an enemy or (worse) the first allied leutenant will shoot you out for hindering the army...

2. colony, how old are you? [...]

[ReaperOfsouls]

Bottem line is in theory jets could be very helpful to the team, however with they way the players use them it hinders a team more often then help.

And what little tickets they take away with all their kills does not make up for the fact atht on maps like wake your still bleeding if you don't have any flags.

I am personally very happy they took them out even though I love to fly and am very good ant flying them.

They discourage team work a lot and I am glad dice seens that on the 4th instalment in the series.

[Alaz]

So let me get this straight, after reading this whole thread. You want the PAC tank to be overpowered? -.- It hovers and strafes, at long range its already better... it doesn't need a turning turret.

Hmmm the jets, i dunno. I totally understand how Jets were overpowered or at least could be used that way in BF2. However i like to think that whenever i fly in the air i'm always listening to commander and others when they spot a tank i'm coming in for the bombing run.

Anyways i'm positive that this game will rock, i think the people they're pushing away are not wanted, those flyboys who just whore planes. If a team is even half good not that many people will want to whore the Mechs because of easy ways to counter them.

[|D|-Max]

we don't need jets and nothing needs
to get nerfed:wall: :wall: :wall: :censored:

[Cazzy]

Hopefully this time around with the public beta, most of the balance issues that BF2 had will be worked out before release and there will be no need for patch after patch trying to fix this & that and also balance weapons/vehicles-

[Splinter]

I like jets:) I bought a X52 joystick just to own it up in them (except I cant get in the bloody things:() I hope 2142 has jets, it's just not Battlefield without planes:D

[colony]

There are no jets, just "air attack" aircraft which is a hybrid between helicopter and jet(particularly F35). They are VTOL aircraft.

They appear to be alot faster than the attack choppers in BF2, faster than the Tiger HAP if you ever piloted that one.

[ReaperOfsouls]

Ya its going to be kinda weird getting used to them because they mixed the helicoipter and jet so its gonna be intresting.

[Splinter]

I know there will be chopper/jet hybribs in game.
But EA has said that there WILL be jets as well, there just keeping them secert.

[rowdyman]

Well I can easily say that the majority of people that play BF2 do not fly planes. One or two to each side per map; One or two seats in each jet = a maximum of 8 players in the jets out of a server with 64 players on it. If it was put to a vote the exit polling data shows infantry out in front by a margin of 87.5% (I realize this doesn't include Choppers, it's just a joke)

[Natte]

The planes in Bf1942 were perfect:) , they were not OP nor were they UP. And it sound like the Jet/heli hybrid will be like the planes in 1942, only that they can hover, shoot missiles instead of bombs, and their gunner shoot shots forwars instead of backwards. So I think I´m gonna to like it:) .

I think the main problem with the jets in bf2 is their speed and manoverabilitie. The only think that can shot down a Jet (if the pilot know what he is doing) is another jet:hmm: ...

[rowdyman]

I think the main problem with the jets in bf2 is their speed and manoverabilitie. The only think that can shot down a Jet (if the pilot know what he is doing) is another jet:hmm: ...
True;true. I think it would be great if the skies above the battlefield were a battlefield themselvs, going on the same time as the on far, far below.

[ReaperOfsouls]

I know there will be chopper/jet hybribs in game.
But EA has said that there WILL be jets as well, there just keeping them secert.

I don't know about that, I think that there are not going to be jets, everything just keeps hinting towards this hybrid that does both.

[MrBenis]

BF1942 planes weren't so bad, but thats mainly because they were so damn easy to shoot down. They REALLY had a hard time staying in the air, I found.

BF:V I didn't play much, but the maps were still very bf1942 style.. too cramped for any real use.

BF2.. I hate the jets. They detract from teamplay for 2 reasons.

1. They encourage players to teamkill for them, the fact they're hard to shoot down promises far more points gained than lost for the teamkill in question.

2. They are unbalanced. Even between the jet's they're unbalanced. JF35-B has a HUGE hitbox on its ****-end.. the J10 is able to shake missles, and has about 3x the mass of the other jets, which in turn allows it to maintain a high velocity even when travelling straight up.

In bf2142 the aircraft are said to behave like a helicopter at low speeds, and like a jet at high speeds. Open to interpretation for sure, but more promising than the "first to the J-10 gets the gold medal" attitude which is prevailant in BF2.

I can't count the number of times I've seen ratios of 60-(1 or 2 or 3, only 3 if the pilot is CRAP), and the favourite vehicle is "Aircraft".

Look at my stats! NOT ONCE DID I GET IN THE TOP 3 FROM FLYING A JET!!!:censored: :cussing: :censored: :cussing:

I get some sick, twisted pleasure derived from the successful shooting down of one of those bastards :mad:

PH34R my tunguska

[Splinter]

I've gone back to the good old day's on Wake, camping the J-10 spawn with an M-95, every single time I'm there, there's 6 guys waitin for the bloody thing, I just cant resist chucking a nade at them.
The funny thing though is they all come back to the same place, they dont bother looking for me. Each time someone hops in the ****pit I take them out, their just stupid, they keep hopping in and I keep shooting them untill I have to reload, and if Im lucky, I can reload and still keep it on the ground.:D

[ReaperOfsouls]

LOL @ Bean but very well writen and true.