Active Camo - Questions for EA

[KiLL3rStr0GG]

Just wondering a few things about active camo.

1. you say that when you shoot your weapon you cannot be camouflaged at same time. does this mean you have to manually turn it off and back on after each shot or does it automatically go off when you shoot and automatically back on after you stop shooting?

2.does it have unlimited use or does it run out after a while lke nightvision in special forces?

cheers :D

[Richard012345]

We could answer those for you...but you asked for EA so you'll have to wait 5 months while they beta test their answers...

[Apothis]

Nice Richard...nice

[Apothis]

Anywho, my thoughts would be, so you are active camo'd and you are running around. But as soon as you shoot it automatically turns off and does not turn back on unless you manually do so. As for the recharging thing, my money is on yes.

Sorry For Double Post

[KiLL3rStr0GG]

id rather the automatic off and on. quicker and if you wanna be sneaky probly quicker too.

[Ping King]

Too much of an easy mode with an automatically on and off mode

[Steakslim]

Indeed. Tribes 2 I believe did the same thing. If you fired, you'd become uncloaked, but you'd have to recloak manually. IT ISN'T HARD TO MANAGE FOLKS. Having it auto recloak is pointless.

[menace-uk-]

Just wondering a few things about active camo.

1. you say that when you shoot your weapon you cannot be camouflaged at same time. does this mean you have to manually turn it off and back on after each shot or does it automatically go off when you shoot and automatically back on after you stop shooting?

2.does it have unlimited use or does it run out after a while lke nightvision in special forces?

cheers :D

1. I belive you have to turn it on/off manually:D

2. it will be similar to the run fast in BF2 with only a limited amount of use but when it runs out you will need a support guy/crate to refill its use:D

[rowdyman]

We could answer those for you...but you asked for EA so you'll have to wait 5 months while they beta test their answers... :rofl:
My thought is that it's probably like any other load-out item. For example say you've got your shotgun out and blasting away and run out in the of a gun fight... Do you stop to reload? No, you select you pistol so you're not gunned down while shoving shells into the tube. The cloak will be the item you have in your hand, not your gun (looks like a little tri-corder thingy). If you want to shoot, you'll need to select you weapon of choice, thereby de-cloaking prior to shooting. If you have the cloak on and it runs out it will have a recharge time like the shock paddles or more probably like the load time on shotgun (or longer). Ro sham bo remember?

[Alaz]

Yeah as far as i'm aware to cloak you have to have the palm device in your hand and therefore not even be holding a gun, to arm yourself you have to put it away, and then get out your gun, ready it, aim it. Hence decloaking in front of someone and he's just gonna blow you away.

Having it just be an auto decloak would be stupidly overpowered for snipers, even with a short charge time before it ran out of juice.

[Silent_Ops]

wait is he holding 2 objects??
http://planetbattlefield.gamespy.com/screenshots/?ss=828&view=ss&page=1&cat=8

[rowdyman]

wait is he holding 2 objects??

Looks to me like he's holding it with one hand and pushing the buttons to activate it with the other. Here is a little more info...
http://bf2142.com/content/IT-33

[Richard012345]

Looks to me like he's holding it with one hand and pushing the buttons to activate it with the other. Here is a little more info...
http://bf2142.com/content/IT-33
That's just their speculation, but it may be like that in the end. I still think it's something like what Alaz said.

[Curtis12]

only 10 seconds, i hope thats wrong, thats kinda to short

[FlamingPenguin]

it's compicated

Your CAN'T SHOOT AT ALL when your cloaked even if you try it wont happen so you gotta cloakc and uncloak manually

you have only a few seconds of camo and it reload itself....the rumors are 10 seconds

[KiLL3rStr0GG]

only last for 10seconds! im not going to even bother with it anymore. gj ruining stealth EA!

[Splinter]

gj ruining stealth EA!

Fair go mate, the game's not even out yet, so I dont see how it could be ruined.:hmm:

[KiLL3rStr0GG]

Fair go mate, the game's not even out yet, so I dont see how it could be ruined.:hmm:

i was looking forward to running around the map like preadtor, but 10 seconds is nothing, especially since u cant shoot with it on and they can still see you with heat vision.

[ReaperOfsouls]

id rather the automatic off and on. quicker and if you wanna be sneaky probly quicker too.

Then there would be an inblance.

Also you cannot sprint whle you are cloaked.

[kiss my RICE]

Wow...killerklown...if DICE thought like you do, we would have some massive balancing issues. Running around cloaked and with a weapon? How do you expect us to fight that, spray at any blob that we think we see? We'd be screwed is more like it. Also, in the trailer of the stealth knife kill, the guy took about 3 seconds to switch to his knife, it looked like he pressed a button, became visible, switched to knife, and stabby mcstabstabbed the PAC soldier.

[Alaz]

Lol yeah that sounds about right, cloak is a defensive technique. Used in short bursts to move from one spot to another and remain hidden, crossing clear paths that snipers may spot you over. Also to get underneath a Mech without him seeing you.

Also it looks like that heat vision thing is just like the camo in the way it needs to be held in the hand (meaning no weapon out) so i doubt there will be someone with one of them all the time :p

Hmmm 10 seconds though, without sprint that doesn't let you get far at all... if i were them i'd up it to 20-25 seconds or allow sprint with perhaps increased visability when you sprint.

[KiLL3rStr0GG]

Wow...killerklown...if DICE thought like you do, we would have some massive balancing issues. Running around cloaked and with a weapon? How do you expect us to fight that, spray at any blob that we think we see? We'd be screwed is more like it. Also, in the trailer of the stealth knife kill, the guy took about 3 seconds to switch to his knife, it looked like he pressed a button, became visible, switched to knife, and stabby mcstabstabbed the PAC soldier.


no i never said shoot with stealth on i said only being able to go stealth for 10seconds is crap. what of u wanna run out in open to cross in front of some enemie. you get halfway across and it runs out, cus you cant sprint with it on either

[Splinter]

I just bought Predator on DVD yesterday for 10 buck's.
If cloaking lasted for a very long time, then Blain come's to mind.:(

[menace-uk-]

The camo is not ment for running across a map:laugh:

The camo is to help infantry players take out mechs and tanks and that is it as far as im concerned 10 secs is enough to run up to a mech and plant C-7 then use the little bit of camo left to get a safe distance that is i think its main priority:D

[ReaperOfsouls]

Lol yeah that sounds about right, cloak is a defensive technique. Used in short bursts to move from one spot to another and remain hidden, crossing clear paths that snipers may spot you over. Also to get underneath a Mech without him seeing you.

Also it looks like that heat vision thing is just like the camo in the way it needs to be held in the hand (meaning no weapon out) so i doubt there will be someone with one of them all the time :p

Hmmm 10 seconds though, without sprint that doesn't let you get far at all... if i were them i'd up it to 20-25 seconds or allow sprint with perhaps increased visability when you sprint.

I do agree with Alaz thoughh, since you cant sprint the time should be uped a little. I think 30 seconds would be fair.

[Cazzy]

I think the camo is on a recharge like the sprint function, but it must fully recharge before you can use it again. Or I could be totally wrong.... :)

[kiss my RICE]

Have YOU played the game yet? Thought so, if DICE thinks that making the cloak and limiting it to 10 seconds if fair and balanced, then I believe them. Their the developers and have tested the games numerous times, and the only ones to have played the game for that matter. Let them decide.

[menace-uk-]

Have YOU played the game yet? Thought so, if DICE thinks that making the cloak and limiting it to 10 seconds if fair and balanced, then I believe them. Their the developers and have tested the games numerous times, and the only ones to have played the game for that matter. Let them decide.


Does not really matter any way cause 1-2 months after release people will be crying for dice to nerf this and nerf that and the camo will be 1 people want nerfed:D

Hope they dont nerf anything this time they should just release the game and leave the gameplay and weapons alone and just add new stuff and concentrate mainly on fixing what ever bugs 2142 has:D

[KiLL3rStr0GG]

Their the developers and have tested the games numerous times,.


coughJETScough

[Cloud9]

Hope they dont nerf anything this time they should just release the game and leave the gameplay and weapons alone and just add new stuff and concentrate mainly on fixing what ever bugs 2142 has

I totally agree..and not to ge too side tracked I think BF2 now has been overly nerfed in many areas like choppers, engineer's repair rates, not being able to shoot or throw nades while jumping(so not real), AA missiles becoming magnet rockets to choppers, mini-guns on transport chopper nerfed to near useless,....the list goes on. Choppers used to be a huge part of bf2 and with all the recent patches that weaken there armor, improved AA, and nerfed other things you dont see them used near as much.

Sorry for the rant...

But yes if anything Dice may have the game overly nerfed from the get go!!! From the way it sounds weapons will be overly balanced to where unlocks are nearly identical, but just look different...God I hope they leave atleast one unlock for each kit to have some decent advantages over default weapons.

[ReaperOfsouls]

Have YOU played the game yet? Thought so, if DICE thinks that making the cloak and limiting it to 10 seconds if fair and balanced, then I believe them. Their the developers and have tested the games numerous times, and the only ones to have played the game for that matter. Let them decide.

Have you played BF2?

coughJETScough

Lol thats right :salute:

[Demize99]

That little tid bit about 10 seconds is pure speculation. We're still balancing out the strengths and weaknesses of Active Camo.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

That little tid bit about 10 seconds is pure speculation. We're still balancing out the strengths and weaknesses of Active Camo.
Just don't listen to the whiners and I'm sure it will be balanced :)

[menace-uk-]

That little tid bit about 10 seconds is pure speculation. We're still balancing out the strengths and weaknesses of Active Camo.

Most stuff on this forum is speculation:laugh: ;)

But for the love of GOD dont make the Active camo last too long:D

[rowdyman]

Most stuff on this forum is speculation:laugh: ;)

Isn't that the point of a forum for a game that hasn't been released yet? ;)

[Elinombrable]

hi again demize ;)

[kiss my RICE]

Have you played BF2?



Lol thats right :salute:

O no..that is hypocritical Reaper. You're the one who said in the beginning that what DICE looked like they were doing was in the right direction, now you're going back on that quote and saying not to trust them based on past experiences NOT from DICE canada? DICE Canada really need to sit back, and keep on ice fishing in their igloos, but, and I sincerely hope, that DICE Sweden will take over things for now.

[DarQraven]

How long the cloaking time should be really depends on what purposes DICE have intented them for. If they merely are to be used as escape tools, or tools to c7 armor, then 10 seconds is more than enough. Of course, 10 seconds doesn't let you walk very far, but if you are NOT cloaking, you also don't run in the open for more than 10 seconds do you? You run from cover to cover, maybe firing back a bit, and getting where you want to go the slowish way. If people would have half-minute near invisibility, the game would be total chaos. For example in the titan siege, some guy could just cloak all the way to the control panels without anyone ever noticing him ... kinda lame huh?
And what about defending missile silos against invisible soldiers? Not fun either. 10 seconds would be fair, you'd be surprised what a huge tactical advantage you could get in 10 seconds of free reign.

[Richard012345]

That little tid bit about 10 seconds is pure speculation. We're still balancing out the strengths and weaknesses of Active Camo.
JETS
They're in life to give! :D
*Just like AIDS...*

[DarQraven]

I know, I read it, it's just a little hard to discuss camo gameplay when we're not allowed to mention a time span. It would break down to "I think short/medium/long time is the best".. wow ... informative..

[3lliot3vans]

Well considering you can't fire you weapon, when active camo in enabled it should have a long life time, Camo will only be used for sneaking past enemies or under mechs and getting yourself out of sticky situations, like when a group of enemies walk into the room where you are and theres no way out, stick your camo on and get out of there. Anyway you can still see the person with active camo on since where they are standing its blurred ;)

[DarQraven]

Btw, are snipers allowed to have camo too? That would be a disaster:p
Spotting a sniper without the death-cam introduced in CoD and BF:MC is hard enough without them being 90% invisible.

[ReaperOfsouls]

O no..that is hypocritical Reaper. You're the one who said in the beginning that what DICE looked like they were doing was in the right direction, now you're going back on that quote and saying not to trust them based on past experiences NOT from DICE canada? DICE Canada really need to sit back, and keep on ice fishing in their igloos, but, and I sincerely hope, that DICE Sweden will take over things for now.

Its definatly not.

I do not trust Dice/EA when it comes to BF2 but it seems like they have changed for 2142 so I do trust them with caution (because of BF2).

Not hypocritical, this has been my stance since I joined the forums.

[rowdyman]

Btw, are snipers allowed to have camo too? That would be a disaster:p
Spotting a sniper without the death-cam introduced in CoD and BF:MC is hard enough without them being 90% invisible.
Well as mentioned the camo only lasts for what is probably a short duration, and you cant fire your weapon with it on, and my guess would be that there is absolutely no way to have a zoomed view with it on so a sniper couldn't track you until he gets the shot. I hate that damn death cam! If there isn't a way to locate snipers then it forces you to move more tactically or use armor to advance, or smoke or... my point is there are ways around it. I'm not at all good at sniping, but sometimes you just wanna lone wolf it, and if I have to keep getting up and moving every other shot it gets old. IMHO.

[menace-uk-]

Isn't that the point of a forum for a game that hasn't been released yet? ;)

That was my point;)

[Elinombrable]

Dont warry i think things will be balanced.Soon we will be able to test it :D (or not...i want a key for the beta >_<)

[kiss my RICE]

Cloaking is a great idea, for a singleplayer game...In terms of multiplayer, the use of cloaking becomes harder and harder to balance out. BF2142 will be a good game, but the work behind it will be awesome! We all look to the legions of beta testers to even out cloaking in the game. It will be tough, but I think we can do it!

[Elit3_Hawkins]

JETS

They're in life to give! :D

*Just like AIDS...*


NO, NO JETS , I am extremely happy that they took out jets and it should stay jetless

[kiss my RICE]

BF2 Expert, I belive I read a thread from Die 2 Fly that said that you were a cheater...Care to defend yourself? Also, the new helos, from the looks of the movie, look like they can move nearly as fast as a jet, the guy driving it flew across the map in a few seconds!

[DarQraven]

Yeah but I bet they can't do the annoying looping/corkscrew/divebombing moves jets can do.

[Elit3_Hawkins]

I am not a cheater and if that little F@#$%* tries to turn me in for something I DIDNT DO I will report him because I got a SS of him on a K/P server.

[kiss my RICE]

We all believed in you man...read the post...he didn't even have proof. :laugh:

[okashii]

IMO you should be able to sprint while cloaked becouse :
1.you have only 10 seconds
2.when you sprint <cloaked> you are more visible than when you are cloaked and walking so it balances out
3.it makes a sound when active <plus click sound to deactivate it>
4. since drones <gun drone buddy, gun sentry turret> use combination of infrared and optical tracking - active camo will not save you

so without sprint option while cloaked, there are more - than +

[Elit3_Hawkins]

IMO you should be able to sprint while cloaked becouse :
1.you have only 10 seconds
2.when you sprint <cloaked> you are more visible than when you are cloaked and walking so it balances out

I'm with you man...

[okashii]

Now all I need is support from Demize99 :P <breaks the piggybank and puts on sexy pink lingerie>
<damn! I forgot to unlock boobs...>

[kiss my RICE]

Dude..thats pretty messed up right there. 0.o Also..its a little late to be asking them to implement last minute stuff. They're about to release the beta, and beta testers are only there to make sure the game is balanced and that bugs/exploits are removed before release. They can't really implement a feature now...it would push everything else back, because DICE tests the game themselves, and then leaves it to the beta testers to get all nitpicky about it. Let them do their job, they might include this in the first patch ;).

[Elit3_Hawkins]

The cloack thing is probably going to get nerfed somehow...

[okashii]

it can't get nerfed - it already has more - than + <check my post nr.53>

[Elit3_Hawkins]

Dont get what your saying but why cant it get nerfed anymore???

[okashii]

ok what more would you nerf ?

[Elit3_Hawkins]

You know somone will expploit it somehow so Dice might make you a little bit more visible whan cloaked or a little shorter or a little longer after pressing the button to get fully cloacked

[DarQraven]

Yeah, but you can exploit anything. The question is when something is an exploit, and when something is just bad teamplay.
If you let a cloaked player sneak all the way through your titan, that is not an exploit. It's just bad defending, BC you can do all sorts of stuff to stop players like that: boobytrapping, drones, turrets, spotting him, etc... (who ever thought up the word boobytrap anyway? And did they ever catch one?)
Sure, a sniper with camo on half of the time is kinda cheap, but it IS allowed, and as long as there are things you can (reasonably) do against it, I don't think it's an exploit.
In the military, if someone is 'camping' in a turret, mowing at everything he sees moving, they don't complain about exploiting glitchers, they do something about it. So unless that turret is some kind of Nuke-minigun, it is fair.

[Elit3_Hawkins]

Yeah, but you can exploit anything. The question is when something is an exploit, and when something is just bad teamplay.
If you let a cloaked player sneak all the way through your titan, that is not an exploit. It's just bad defending, BC you can do all sorts of stuff to stop players like that: boobytrapping, drones, turrets, spotting him, etc... (who ever thought up the word boobytrap anyway? And did they ever catch one?)
Sure, a sniper with camo on half of the time is kinda cheap, but it IS allowed, and as long as there are things you can (reasonably) do against it, I don't think it's an exploit.
In the military, if someone is 'camping' in a turret, mowing at everything he sees moving, they don't complain about exploiting glitchers, they do something about it. So unless that turret is some kind of Nuke-minigun, it is fair.

yeah i guess your right

[ReaperOfsouls]

Yeah, but you can exploit anything. The question is when something is an exploit, and when something is just bad teamplay.
If you let a cloaked player sneak all the way through your titan, that is not an exploit. It's just bad defending, BC you can do all sorts of stuff to stop players like that: boobytrapping, drones, turrets, spotting him, etc... (who ever thought up the word boobytrap anyway? And did they ever catch one?)
Sure, a sniper with camo on half of the time is kinda cheap, but it IS allowed, and as long as there are things you can (reasonably) do against it, I don't think it's an exploit.
In the military, if someone is 'camping' in a turret, mowing at everything he sees moving, they don't complain about exploiting glitchers, they do something about it. So unless that turret is some kind of Nuke-minigun, it is fair.

I agree with that mostly. :cool:

Don't hate the game, hate the playa. :cool:

[Elit3_Hawkins]

I agree with that mostly. :cool:

Don't hate the game, hate the playa. :cool:
you got that backwards... It's dont hate the playa, hate the game

[ReaperOfsouls]

No I meant for it to be that way sying dont get mad at teh game for the way people use it ;)

[Elit3_Hawkins]

O I got yah now... sorry for messing you up , I feel so dumb now.