Buying a PS3. PC gaming dead.

[Alex98uk]

Well, after enjoying PC gaming for a few years now, it's just getting tiring. Copycat games, buggy releases, lack social mutliplayer (I.E. Playing with mates) and needed expensive hardware just to play the game it was meant to be played.

Recent PC releases prove my point, and the only game i'm holding out for is BF3, and that doesn't look like it's going to be around any time soon.

So, i'm going to buy a PS3 soon. I traded in my PS2 for £40, sold my computer case for £40, and am saving. One question, do i need the 60gb version or is the 40gb fine?

I was saving up for a new graphics card, but, i think my money is better spent on a Playstation 3. Is there anything else i need like extra peripherals or anything when i buy it?

Lastly, my monitor has HDMI input, can i connect my PS3 directly to it?

PC gaming is dead. Viva la consoles :yay:

[Oli]

You're doing a Vika ;)

[Alex98uk]

I'm not leaving. Just, changing :)

Anyway, answer the questions :p

[Hawkers]

PC gaming is dead. Viva la consoles :yay:

Who are you :cry:

[CrAzY eYeD cAt =^O.o^=]

:shakehead:... Don't do it... Don't go to the dark side :cry:

i do however see ur point.. it's almost like the computer gaming industry is mocking us at times.. but u got to hang in there dood.. PC gaming is still alive and kicking..

[Oli]

You've changed Alex

[xXSniper1432Xx]

Don't get the 40 gig mate. I'm not sure how it is over there but here in the U.S., it's not backwards compatible with PS2 games. I'm not sure if you would still play PS2 games like I do or not...

And about your monitor, try this:
http://forums.n4g.com/m_47729/printable.htm

[Hellsent]

I wouldnt say its dead..but i for sure have wanted one of these(pS3's) for aaaages...now youre getting one and all my mates got it for xmas..i want one know...

[Death Merchant]

Im also planning on getting a PS3 but im not abandoning pc gaming just yet

do i need the 60gb version or is the 40gb fine?

40gb is fine unless you have lots of ps2 games you want to play on your ps3, but for the price hike you can just buy a slimline ps2 and a ps3 which would cost you less than buying the 60 gig model

Is there anything else i need like extra peripherals or anything when i buy it?

HDMI cable, its not included :O

Lastly, my monitor has HDMI input, can i connect my PS3 directly to it?


If your monitor is HDCP compaitable you you can hook your PS3 up to your 22" monitor you might need to do some reserch on the manufaturers website

thats what im planning to do when i get a PS3 and for sound im going to use this adapter for my 5.1 speakers


http://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/6776.jpg

[Noriega]

Sexbox > All. kthnx

[jake___]

Nooooo!!!!!! :cry:

Well, I do admit that it doesn't look like there is anything on the horizon for a while (BF3 is the only thing I can even really think of).

I don't blame you, but I'm still sad.

You'd better still play TF2 with us sometimes!

[xXSniper1432Xx]

I must admit myself, I only play BF2 and CS nowadays. It's too great of a temptation not to purchase a console with all these new games that would require a huge upgrade on my PC...

[Hawkers]

What your forgetting is, controllers are pants.....

[Oli]

With a PS3, can you be on here?

[Alex98uk]

Well, they say the PS3 is backwards compatible with PS2 games (despite the fact i dont play much). Is it just the 40gb that isn't compatible? I assumed they were the same machine underneath.

My monitor isn't HDCP compatible, but it is HDMI. So, i don't think i could play high def movies.

[Death Merchant]

Well, they say the PS3 is backwards compatible with PS2 games (despite the fact i dont play much). Is it just the 40gb that isn't compatible? I assumed they were the same machine underneath.

Yep just the 40gb model, its lacking the hardware (ps2 CPU and GPU) to emulate ps2 games

My monitor isn't HDCP compatible, but it is HDMI. So, i don't think i could play high def movies.

The problem is that the blu-ray disk format (PS3 games use this format) requires HDCP support so your monitor wont be able to decript what has been sent to it by the GPU

"HD DVD, Blu-ray Disc and DVD players (with HDMI or DVI connectors) use HDCP to establish an encrypted digital connection. If the display device—or in the case of using a PC to decrypt and play back HD DVD or Blu-ray media, the graphics card (hardware, drivers and playback software)—does not support HDCP, then a connection cannot be established. As a result, a black picture and/or error message will likely be displayed instead of the video content."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP

[Alex98uk]

So, your telling me that you can only play a PS3 on a brand spanking new flatscreen that supports HDCP?

What about all the kids with normal CRT style televisions? They don't work?

[L3adcannon]

Oh noes, the drama.

To each his own, im sticking with the PC.

[therealmat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3#Retail_configurations

you've chosen the better console. :p

[Trevortt]

Buying a PS3. PC gaming dead.

lol you're on drugs, PC Games dead, no chance.

[Bladeeagle]

Yeah Starcraft 2 and Spore say otherwise. Upcoming new releases for PC exclusives are also coming.

Still don't believe me?

30% of software comes from PCs and steam today. That's a lot.

PC gaming will never die. Any thoughts otherwise means that you're just uninformed.

[Mo0by]

You could have just said you wanted a PS3 without spouting a load of wild claims?

[Alex98uk]

To me PC gaming is dead. I know there are some OK looking titles, but nothing that interests me.

But, I just learned that if i want to be able to play on my PS3, i need to buy a brand new HDCP compliant television or monitor. That only sets me back £500 or so...

[Sam1990]

There are much better games out for Xbox 360 and the multi-player on the Xbox 360 is much better than the PS3.

[Mo0by]

*he just wants gt5*

[Bladeeagle]

To me PC gaming is dead. I know there are some OK looking titles, but nothing that interests me.

But, I just learned that if i want to be able to play on my PS3, i need to buy a brand new HDCP compliant television or monitor. That only sets me back £500 or so...

Well I tried. I'll be enjoying my mods, better controls, better graphics, more features on assassin's creed and mass effect, better games, and patches on PC while you get the rest on consoles. :D

[Alex98uk]

There are much better games out for Xbox 360 and the multi-player on the Xbox 360 is much better than the PS3.

Gran Turismo 5, Grand Theft Auto to name a few ;)

[Bladeeagle]

Gran Turismo 5, Grand Theft Auto to name a few ;)

GTA 4 is also on 360 ya know. Although MGS4 and little big planet aren't

[Death Merchant]

So, your telling me that you can only play a PS3 on a brand spanking new flatscreen that supports HDCP?

What about all the kids with normal CRT style televisions? They don't work?

No most people use analogue AV cables like (there included) these for older CRT TV's they only do 480p @50/60hz Eagle18 uses this configuration PM him im sure he will be happy to talk

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/1866/avcablezy0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


problem is unless you can find a way how to route these to your monitor your out of luck,

any Newer TV's should work with these (also included) 1080i maximum thats 1920x1080 @ 30hz
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/362/componentavcableps2fe00dq4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

im guessing only 20%-30% of users actually use full blown HDMI (1080p and above) and thats 1920x1080 @ 60hz more than my monitor can support some im going to have to force 720p which is 1280x720 yep xbox 360s maximum resolution

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/9759/hdmi000uu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Dr_Zyklon]

PC gaming gave you its best years and now when it needs you the most you turn your back on it, and for what? to go and have a yelling competition with some 15 year old over voice chat, shame on you, by the way PC gaming wants to divorce and 50% of your stuff :p

[Alex98uk]

and for what? to go and have a yelling competition with some 15 year old over voice chat, shame on you, by the way PC gaming wants to divorce and 50% of your stuff :p

I'm not turning my back, there just isn't anything new or original coming (in terms of games that interest me. I know there are some).

Plus, as for the 15 year old comment, you've obviously not played BF2 and CSS with voice comm enough.

EDIT: Actually, i lie. BF:H looks like a laugh and i still enjoy TF2.

[Dr_Zyklon]

^^ there are more to come (hopefully) good game for the PC, as for the preteen yelling, you are right its everywhere but i prefer to use TS with civilized people, another reason why im still PC, and my 360 is sitting there (mostly because im broke and i cant get BF:BC lol) but other wise i like to game AND still have the internets in the same place. also my zune works on my PC and 360 hehe. dont lose faith and you shall be rewarded with great games.

[Alex98uk]

Another thing was that i am moving into a house with mates next year, and console gaming will obviously be greater. Each of my 3 housemates have xbox360s' despite one of them doing pc game design.

[Drifter]

PC gaming is fun, but its the biggest waste of money. All these people who have top of the line systems, look at how much money you have put into it, its ridiculous. You can get a PS3 for what? 350? It needs no upgrading, nothing at all.

[Hawkers]

Go on alex leave!
I dont care!!





I remember when you used to be cool :cry:

[Alex98uk]

Go on alex leave!
I dont care!!





I remember when you used to be cool :cry:

Who are you?

[Mo0by]

fair game. but if you leave us i will hang hawkers.

[Hawkers]

i'm already hung...like a donkey

[Mo0by]

oh.... LAWD!

[Alex98uk]

PC gaming is fun, but its the biggest waste of money. All these people who have top of the line systems, look at how much money you have put into it, its ridiculous. You can get a PS3 for what? 350? It needs no upgrading, nothing at all.

The constant upgrading annoys me about PC gaming.

And, the silly thing is, that Gran Turismo 5 looks better than a lot of PC games, yet the graphics card is equal in power to a 7800gtx.

All they have done is tuned the hardware well and worked closely with game producers, and hey presto, you have great looking games!

[TheEn|gma]

I play my PS3 for a mess about, not for any real "competitive" or real gaming I guess I use in more in a social aspect, work mates and Uni friends compared to the PC which generally I play solo or with TGN whores.

Meh I like a bit of both, but the PC I suspect will always be the primary time killer for me. The main reason I actually bought a PS3 was for GTA4 and MGS4. It's all good. Send me your PSN when you get one I'll hit you up online.

No most people use analogue AV cables like (there included) these for older CRT TV's they only do 480p @50/60hz Eagle18 uses this configuration PM him im sure he will be happy to talk

Who is that....? :dead:

[Alex98uk]

Does PS3 online cost monthly?

[TheEn|gma]

Does PS3 online cost monthly?

Nope free, although not mega reliable compared to 360s £40 a year. In-built wireless too.

[Death Merchant]

Does PS3 online cost monthly?

Nope :yay:

plus it has Wi-fi a big plus for me



Who is that....? :dead:

theres no reason to commit suicide :)

d to 360s £40 a month

per year

[camper.]

Well, after enjoying PC gaming for a few years now, it's just getting tiring. Copycat games, buggy releases, lack social mutliplayer (I.E. Playing with mates) and needed expensive hardware just to play the game it was meant to be played.

Recent PC releases prove my point, and the only game i'm holding out for is BF3, and that doesn't look like it's going to be around any time soon.

So, i'm going to buy a PS3 soon. I traded in my PS2 for £40, sold my computer case for £40, and am saving. One question, do i need the 60gb version or is the 40gb fine?

I was saving up for a new graphics card, but, i think my money is better spent on a Playstation 3. Is there anything else i need like extra peripherals or anything when i buy it?

Lastly, my monitor has HDMI input, can i connect my PS3 directly to it?

PC gaming is dead. Viva la consoles :yay:

Who are you? Haven't seen you around. :hmm:

[TheEn|gma]

per year

Yeah sorry typo.

[Alex98uk]

So, i could play PS3 on a normal TV, but it would use component connection, not high def?

[xXSniper1432Xx]

The constant upgrading annoys me about PC gaming.

And, the silly thing is, that Gran Turismo 5 looks better than a lot of PC games, yet the graphics card is equal in power to a 7800gtx.

All they have done is tuned the hardware well and worked closely with game producers, and hey presto, you have great looking games!

Exactly. That is why I bought a PS3 because no matter what, you won't have to buy anything for the game to function well.

So, i could play PS3 on a normal TV, but it would use component connection, not high def?

PS3 still looks sexy as hell on a regular T.V. :)

[Alex98uk]

PS3 still looks sexy as hell on a regular T.V. :)

Ah, cool. I might look for a component -> HDMI converter.

[Drifter]

Sniper I could have sworn I saw post of yours saying ps3 sucks lol

[Hellsent]

ya he had a 360 then sold it and now he has a ps3...

[xXSniper1432Xx]

Sniper I could have sworn I saw post of yours saying ps3 sucks lol

Yeah but I traded my 360 in for a PS3 so now I love it. <3

[Death Merchant]

So, i could play PS3 on a normal TV, but it would use component connection, not high def?

If you can run your PS2 on it then you can run your PS3 on it but yeh you will be limited to 640x480 res

it will still look almost as good as the RSX chip in the PS3 will use more anti-antilising to compensate for the lower res so you wont get the jaggy edges

[Alex98uk]

Oh, in that case i can make do until i go high def :)

[Death Merchant]

Oh, in that case i can make do until i go high def :)

50" TV with 1440p FTW!

[Alex98uk]

50" TV with 1440p FTW!

Heh, i wish.

[Spik3d]

Well, after enjoying PC gaming for a few years now, it's just getting tiring. Copycat games, buggy releases, lack social mutliplayer (I.E. Playing with mates) and needed expensive hardware just to play the game it was meant to be played.

Don't honestly tell me that you think there are less copycat and buggy games for consoles than for PC. :rolleyes: Hope you find fun in playing on whoever's PS3 as a game host instead of a dedicated server.

Well, I can easily say that you're wasting your time and that you will notice yourself say, at least once, that you wished you had stayed with PC gaming.

[xXSniper1432Xx]

Don't honestly tell me that you think there are less copycat and buggy games for consoles than for PC. :rolleyes: Hope you find fun in playing on whoever's PS3 as a game host instead of a dedicated server.

Well, I can easily say that you're wasting your time and that you will notice yourself say, at least once, that you wished you had stayed with PC gaming.

lol you act like he is saying goodbye completely.:rolleyes: I've played PC for about 2 years and have owned a PS2, 360, and now a PS3 and there has not been one time where I regretted buying them.

[Chris_Redfield]

Don't honestly tell me that you think there are less copycat and buggy games for consoles than for PC. :rolleyes: Hope you find fun in playing on whoever's PS3 as a game host instead of a dedicated server.

The trend today is that you get sh!tty ports from consoles to PCs, not the other way around. Yes, youll miss on some of the better RTS games, but if you check the trends of the period 2004 to 2008, theres little one would miss if ditching PC gaming, especially when were talking about FPS games.

And lag isnt an issue, besides, lack of 54 player Sh!tment servers is hardly a loss of epic proportions.

Well, I can easily say that you're wasting your time and that you will notice yourself say, at least once, that you wished you had stayed with PC gaming.

In gaming terms, the only real loss is the loss of mods. I know of a HUGE bunch of "converters" who went from PC gaming to consoles, and they are a lot more happy. Id convert too, but I have hope for PC gaming still, besides, Im going to be using both soon anyway.

[Death Merchant]

Consoles have come a long way in the last two generations they were way behind on the PC in the late 90s but i wont abondon PC gaming until

1. i can hook my keyboard and mouse up to a console and actually use them on games

2. Online is as good as on the PC (number of players, modding, and general third party support)

i mean the cost of hardware is borderline ridiculous just like lots of things like petrol and taxes are ATM

[Alex98uk]

Don't get me wrong, if a good game came along (COUGH BF3), i would be back. It's just releases such as the new Pro Evo 8 and FFOW show that either not a lot of thought or care have gone into the games, and, yet I still waste my money on them. Yet, i'll play PS3 and Xbox and things just work.

You put a disc in the drive, the game loads, you play. No faffing about. Plus, most games are made on console and then ported. Admittedly, console will never replace FPS gaming, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of creativity going in that market anyway for PC.

This is my last post for tonight. I'm off to Istanbul 'till Monday. cya :)

[Mo0by]

Consoles have come a long way in the last two generations they were way behind on the PC in the late 90s but i wont abondon PC gaming until

1. i can hook my keyboard and mouse up to a console and actually use them on games

2. Online is as good as on the PC (number of players, modding, and general third party support)

i mean the cost of hardware is borderline ridiculous just like lots of things like petrol and taxes are ATM




I agree about the mouse k/b thing, most of the games i own on are fps's which are unplayable on consoles imo.


Though nearly every other type of game (minus strategy) is better on consoles

[DesertFalcon]

360 for life, aside from the failure rate it owns the ps3.

[Alex98uk]

360 for life, aside from the failure rate it owns the ps3.

No Gran Turismo = No Xbox 360 ;)

[Hawkers]

I hate consoles and even i know that i wouldn't go near a 360!

Wii > PS3 (maybe if they get better games it might move it up, Gran Turismo does not appeal to me), 360

[Mo0by]

Wii foar me I must say. I grew up on Nintendio consoles.

[Hawkers]

Wii foar me I must say. I grew up on Nintendio consoles.

Yeaaaaah Boyyyyyyyyyyy

[TheEn|gma]

Wii foar me I must say. I grew up on Nintendio consoles.

I played Mario Kart on Wii earlier, it's fracking awesome. Brings back some N64 memories!

[Spik3d]

lol you act like he is saying goodbye completely.:rolleyes: I've played PC for about 2 years and have owned a PS2, 360, and now a PS3 and there has not been one time where I regretted buying them.

You're telling me how I'm acting, oh- thanks..?

...most games are made on console and then ported...

None that I've played.

[Jblankster]

you made the right consol choice. everyone says 360 is better cuz it has more games. well its been out longer. so stfu. ps3 is PROVEN to have better gfx. it has blu ray=no extra blu ray player then. 360 fails. i will be buying a ps3 when gta4 comes out

but so i need a 60gb to play all my ps2 games? crap... more money out the window.

and

70 INCH HIGH DEF FTW!!

[Drifter]

Whats the deal though, I went to gamestop today to look at the PS3, I ask them for a 60gb, but they said its discontinued or something?

[Jblankster]

LOL did they say they could find you one? if they did they will call u a week later and jack up the price on it saying its the last 1

[Scinto]

Whats the deal though, I went to gamestop today to look at the PS3, I ask them for a 60gb, but they said its discontinued or something?

yep, new 120gb/160gb models coming,

[xXSniper1432Xx]

yep, new 120gb/160gb models coming,

lol holy crap!

[ham_411]

50" TV with 1440p FTW!

i've played the 360 on a HD projector. it was ****ing amazing. i considered buying the 360, then came to the conclusion i probably wouldnt play it enough cause i'd want it on the big tv in the living room. i bought a 1 month old Wii cause it was offered to me and that gets used like once a week now and thats it.
i know its all about competition and some titles have always been running solely on one console, but its a pain in the *** that the 360 and PS3 have their own titles. i've had every GT going, and all GTA's but one, and so want the new ones, but i really dont think they'd get used all that much. oh and Metal Gear Solid too :(
or i disregard that, save for a month, and don't do any impulse buying i s'pose i could go over the top and buy the PS3 and the 360. whats the current prices on games?

Alex, have fun with your PS3.

ok people, how long till he returns to PC for his mainstream gaming starting from when he purchases?;)

Wii foar me I must say. I grew up on Nintendio consoles.

just started Twilight Princess today, didnt have enough time to get a proper feel for it but i'm sure it won't disapoint. ima have to get mario kart me thinks, looks gooood.

[Iwantcable]

I'd get a console if I had an HDTV. I abhor Live though because of the people that play it, so I'd probably get a PS3 for Gran Turismo/GTA.

[Tomeis]

I'd only consider buying a console if the online multiplayer was as good as the PC.

I'm talking about dedicated servers with 64+ player slots, lots of modding (UT3 for the PS3 is actually pretty good in that department) and FREEEE

[Dairuka]

PC gaming is dead? While Steam has 15 million active subscribers, X-fire has 8 million active subscribers, and World of Warcraft has 10 million active subscribers. Did I forget to mention over 26 million other assorted MMO subscribers spread out among over 100+ games from over 140 countries? (http://www.dfcint.com/wp/?p=206)

Online sales alone have far out-matched anything the NPD have produced regarding console sales, mostly because Console Gaming doesn't exist in developing countries, it's not even big in a good number of developed countries. PC gaming is big in Europe for the simple reason that it takes forever (six months to a year) for a good console game to be ported to PAL format and translated. While most PC games get translated as a Mod Project within the first few weeks of existence. Of course, whats the excuse for the UK, and Australia, huh? They seem to have to wait three months after the Americans get theirs.

The sad part about this whole PC gaming is dead bull, is the fact that the research firms claiming that PC gaming is dead are stuck in the past with the music and movie industries, so they aren't counting Online Sales, which is the medium in which most PC gamers seem to buy their games from. I bought my Orange Box from steam. I got Sins of a Solar Empire from Stardock Central. I got my Europa Univeralis III from Gamer's Gate. How about you? I do it because I'm sick of Gamestop and Walmart's crap selection, and piss poor service.

I shake my head when people even bring up the notion of PC gaming dying.

[Tomeis]

PC gaming is dead? While Steam has 15 million active subscribers, X-fire has 8 million active subscribers, and World of Warcraft has 10 million active subscribers. Did I forget to mention over 26 million other assorted MMO subscribers spread out among over 100+ games from over 140 countries? (http://www.dfcint.com/wp/?p=206)

Online sales alone have far out-matched anything the NPD have produced regarding console sales, mostly because Console Gaming doesn't exist in developing countries, it's not even big in a good number of developed countries. PC gaming is big in Europe for the simple reason that it takes forever (six months to a year) for a good console game to be ported to PAL format and translated. While most PC games get translated as a Mod Project within the first few weeks of existence. Of course, whats the excuse for the UK, and Australia, huh? They seem to have to wait three months after the Americans get theirs.

The sad part about this whole PC gaming is dead bull, is the fact that the research firms claiming that PC gaming is dead are stuck in the past with the music and movie industries, so they aren't counting Online Sales, which is the medium in which most PC gamers seem to buy their games from. I bought my Orange Box from steam. I got Sins of a Solar Empire from Stardock Central. I got my Europa Univeralis III from Gamer's Gate. How about you? I do it because I'm sick of Gamestop and Walmart's crap selection, and piss poor service.

I shake my head when people even bring up the notion of PC gaming dying.


I'd just like to point out that the number of people that are subscribed to steam, x-fire, WoW, and the other assorted MMOs is 1.8 times that of the population of my country

[Dairuka]

I'd just like to point out that the number of people that are subscribed to steam, x-fire, WoW, and the other assorted MMOs is 1.8 times that of the population of my country

My country too! What a coincidence! ;)

[camper.]

It's clear from your research that Canada is full of 1/1.8n obese gamers.

So I can say with 180% confidence to all Canadians: HAHAHAHAH FATTY LOLOLOL

[Dairuka]

It's clear from your research that Canada is full of 1/1.8n obese gamers.

So I can say with 180% confidence to all Canadians: HAHAHAHAH FATTY LOLOLOL

You're a gamer. Does that make you obese? Hahahaha Camper is a fatty.

[Eagle101]

I play on a 26" HD ready TV (twas meant for my PC but res issues were problematic) and used the video audio cables, then i went to a local shop got HDMI Sony cables for like 20 to 25USD and played the next day< HUGE DIFFERENCE! i play on the highest my TV can and that is the 1080i and 1080p i tell ya alex when i first played Drakes Fortune Uncharted it was breath taking gfx was sooooo clear, although i am still attached to mah PC ;)

[camper.]

You're a gamer. Does that make you obese? Hahahaha Camper is a fatty.

I'm big boned.






















*cries*

[Cryptik]

SO you gunna buy a PS3 Mouse and Keyboard

[therealmat]

None that I've played.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't COD4 made on console and then ported to PC?

but alex when you get the PS3, add me. :D
PSN ID: Therealmat

[Scinto]

lol holy crap!

not really you can get a 40gb and upgrade the hdd without voiding the warrenty.

[Oli]

I'm big boned.






















*cries*

We can steal your hat and shout "Keep away" at you because you're too fat to chase after it

[Chris_Redfield]

PC gaming is dead? While Steam has 15 million active subscribers, X-fire has 8 million active subscribers, and World of Warcraft has 10 million active subscribers. Did I forget to mention over 26 million other assorted MMO subscribers spread out among over 100+ games from over 140 countries? (http://www.dfcint.com/wp/?p=206)

Online sales alone have far out-matched anything the NPD have produced regarding console sales, mostly because Console Gaming doesn't exist in developing countries, it's not even big in a good number of developed countries. PC gaming is big in Europe for the simple reason that it takes forever (six months to a year) for a good console game to be ported to PAL format and translated. While most PC games get translated as a Mod Project within the first few weeks of existence. Of course, whats the excuse for the UK, and Australia, huh? They seem to have to wait three months after the Americans get theirs.

The sad part about this whole PC gaming is dead bull, is the fact that the research firms claiming that PC gaming is dead are stuck in the past with the music and movie industries, so they aren't counting Online Sales, which is the medium in which most PC gamers seem to buy their games from. I bought my Orange Box from steam. I got Sins of a Solar Empire from Stardock Central. I got my Europa Univeralis III from Gamer's Gate. How about you? I do it because I'm sick of Gamestop and Walmart's crap selection, and piss poor service.

I shake my head when people even bring up the notion of PC gaming dying.

You should read Alex post first, from the first word to the last. The term "dead" is being used in an entirely different context, one you might actually agree with.

As for population, all of my favourite COD4 servers are now mostly dead, even though just a few months ago, they were populated 24/7. The stats on steam users can be argued when whenever I log on, I rarely play. Its like Xfire.

Continuing on Alex idea, theres absolutely nothing out there for the average TBF2 goon, and theres even less out there for a guy like me, coming from SWAT and Rainbow 6 background. Considering that even the substitute drugs for me, like Rainbow Six Gaygas ports on PC are Ubisucks technological achievements and proof that you can indeed port a game that works AND is a resource hog of a tornado simulation program, you can get the general jist. At least, on the console, I wouldnt have to spend 12 hours ****ing through the .ini files, rewriting line of code in order to get the FPS up above the 20s.

In the last 3 years, how many bug free, completely satisfactory FPS PC games have been released? Two... How many BF2 killers? 4 + mods, how many of them successful or up to par? None. When was the last realistic tactical CQB FPS shooter released that wasnt a backwater studio experiment? In 2004.

And while in the meanwhile Ive enjoyed games of all types and kinds, the last game Ive sunk more than 1000 hours into, was released in 2005 and I havent actually played any game religiously since 2006 Fall. I think we can rule out the "me being grown up" explanation.

I spent most of the evening today, fixing up Rainbow Six Vegas, all while coming up with new realistic CQB shooter concepts. I didnt have to dream 3 years ago.

[Rick Astley]

I'll be buying a PS3 too when GTA and MGS4 are out, but i'll be only playing these games and who needs other games when you can have M...G...O ( Metal Gear Online )?

I heard GTA multiplayer won't be anything big, so i won't be playing that often.

[camper.]

RIP PC gaming - 1994-2004. More or less, it seems. Personally I blame EA.

[Dairuka]

I most certainly don't agree with Alex's views.

I won't argue with people over whether or not PC gaming is dead or not, simply because the facts are on my side. You guys are welcome to be negative mindless drones if you want to.

I won't be a part of this anymore.

[Hawkers]

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e184/rage_1087/sexy_party.gif

[Chris_Redfield]

I most certainly don't agree with Alex's views.

You have that right.

I won't argue with people over whether or not PC gaming is dead or not, simply because the facts are on my side. You guys are welcome to be negative mindless drones if you want to.

:rolleyes:

A. Facts are not on your side, especially when you retorted Alex´ post by not even reading what he wrote. Talk about "mindless drones".

B. The second bolded line was unnecessary, considering the fact that people arent "negative" per se, and in most cases its simply an observation. The PC gaming, when were talking popularity and player count figures, is long from dead. The quality of games and the number of great games in specific genres, thats the main concern. When were observing the most popular PC titles to be nothing more than console ports, then why struggle with optimization at home, when you can fire up the same game on a console carefree, without FPS loss and without the extra work? Read it through 3 times.

As for population.

www.game-monitor.com

FPS PC MP games released post 2006, that have a player count higher than 10K (At any given moment)

1. Call of Duty 4 (lolwaffles)

Statistically, while COD4 and HALO3 are the monsters of online play at the moment, they are the only games that actually have a considerable number of players, while released post 2005. The third game would be Team Fortress 2 with its 5000 player count. And then theres a number of pre or on 2005 year release games which have a player count higher than 5000 and 10000. Note that HALO3 isnt on PC.

Tactical realistic FPS gaming community was killed off with unsuccessful flops. And an entire Rainbow Six community was killed off on the PC.

Basic point- why play games on PC if you can play the same games, all while better optimised, on a console? Hence Alex´s post and my subtle tone of disappointment.

As a disclaimer, Im not a console/PC fanboy. I play them both. Just use them for different games. And once again, all would be dandy and cool, if I didnt have to do technical sh!t to keep my games running, even though I have a good computer. There are games that just dont work on PC, like car racing games, sports games and adventure games. Living room, couch and controller, company- consoles.

[Dairuka]

5,000 is a lot of people when the most people you can have on any given server is 32.

The main reason I play on multiple servers in TF2, is because most of the servers I like to play on the most are already full.

RIP PC gaming - 1994-2004. More or less, it seems. Personally I blame EA.

considering the fact that people arent "negative" per se, and in most cases its simply an observation.

[Tomeis]

You have that right.



:rolleyes:

A. Facts are not on your side, especially when you retorted Alex´ post by not even reading what he wrote. Talk about "mindless drones".

B. The second bolded line was unnecessary, considering the fact that people arent "negative" per se, and in most cases its simply an observation. The PC gaming, when were talking popularity and player count figures, is long from dead. The quality of games and the number of great games in specific genres, thats the main concern. When were observing the most popular PC titles to be nothing more than console ports, then why struggle with optimization at home, when you can fire up the same game on a console carefree, without FPS loss and without the extra work? Read it through 3 times.

As for population.

www.server-monitor.com

FPS PC MP games released post 2006, that have a player count higher than 10K (At any given moment)

1. Call of Duty 4 (lolwaffles)

Statistically, while COD4 and HALO3 are the monsters of online play at the moment, they are the only games that actually have a considerable number of players, while released post 2005. The third game would be Team Fortress 2 with its 5000 player count. And then theres a number of pre or on 2005 year release games which have a player count higher than 5000 and 10000. Note that HALO3 isnt on PC.

Tactical realistic FPS gaming community was killed off with unsuccessful flops. And an entire Rainbow Six community was killed off on the PC.

Basic point- why play games on PC if you can play the same games, all while better optimised, on a console? Hence Alex´s post and my subtle tone of disappointment.

As a disclaimer, Im not a console/PC fanboy. I play them both. Just use them for different games. And once again, all would be dandy and cool, if I didnt have to do technical sh!t to keep my games running, even though I have a good computer. There are games that just dont work on PC, like car racing games, sports games and adventure games. Living room, couch and controller, company- consoles.


server-monitor.com?

[Chris_Redfield]

5,000 is a lot of people when the most people you can have on any given server is 32.

True. I personally rank 3000 players online as the line between "good" and "insufficient", but thats very much up to the community. Theres 14K in BF2 and the community basically makes it so that its unplayable in most of the servers (personal experience). Hard to find a good server to stick to these days. Then again, we have ETQW, or even POE2, latter being played by anywhere between 0 and 300, and is excellent at all times. Once it starts falling below 300 though, youre quickly finding yourself playing in the same servers, against the same faces.

But thats not the main point. Considering the total of 250K+ players online for FPS MP PC games, (the number itsself being fairly low...) the fact that out 6-8 games that have more than 3000 players online at any given time, only 2 are relased post 2005/06, is sad... The total number of quality games itsself is nothing to write home about either. I challenge you to try R6V on PC. That is, if you prefer to be bald.

EDIT: As for Camper. You should know by now that he likes to be a sarcastic bastard (:D) sometimes.

[seoulspirit]

Don't get the 40 gig mate. I'm not sure how it is over there but here in the U.S., it's not backwards compatible with PS2 games. I'm not sure if you would still play PS2 games like I do or not...

And about your monitor, try this:
http://forums.n4g.com/m_47729/printable.htm
lol when did ppl in CT use mate?
60 gb aTW!

[Alex98uk]

You should read Alex post first, from the first word to the last. The term "dead" is being used in an entirely different context, one you might actually agree with.

Continuing on Alex idea, theres absolutely nothing out there for the average TBF2 goon, and theres even less out there for a guy like me, coming from SWAT and Rainbow 6 background. Considering that even the substitute drugs for me, like Rainbow Six Gaygas ports on PC are Ubisucks technological achievements and proof that you can indeed port a game that works AND is a resource hog of a tornado simulation program, you can get the general jist. At least, on the console, I wouldnt have to spend 12 hours ****ing through the .ini files, rewriting line of code in order to get the FPS up above the 20s.


Yup, thanks for picking up on that. I didn't mean it's dead as in no one else still plays, but, i mean creativity is just dire.

I have played BF2, SWAT4, 1942 online and offline, but there are just no more releases like that coming any more, and, unless BF3 is good, i can see the arcade/realism genre fading away into a console ported world. I had high hopes for FFOW, and i still do in terms of modding, but, with poor patching etc... i'm not going to raise my hopes.

And, Dairuka, discuss it with me. Don't just shrug it off. I'd like to hear your points.

[[4TA]Col.Vind]

Be like me, and play both.

[Alex98uk]

Be like me, and play both.

I will, i'm just looking at the future.

[Dairuka]

Yup, thanks for picking up on that. I didn't mean it's dead as in no one else still plays, but, i mean creativity is just dire.

I have played BF2, SWAT4, 1942 online and offline, but there are just no more releases like that coming any more, and, unless BF3 is good, i can see the arcade/realism genre fading away into a console ported world. I had high hopes for FFOW, and i still do in terms of modding, but, with poor patching etc... i'm not going to raise my hopes.

And, Dairuka, discuss it with me. Don't just shrug it off. I'd like to hear your points.

I wasn't brushing you off Alex. I just wasn't willing to derail yet another thread with Chris barking at me until his throat goes hoarse. I'll gladly debate with you though.

But you did ask... so I will say that PC creativity is still alive and booming in comparison to the pathetic knock-off/off-shoot/sequel filled frenzy known as console gaming.

Sins of a Solar Empire most recently has blazed open the path to a brand new game genre, something which I expect will be copied extensively due to it's huge success despite it's lack of DRM, and advertising budget. It's pretty, but not hardware intensive either. People with eight year old computers can play it even!

Of course thats not to say that Portal hasn't opened my eyes to the newest-path that FPS's are taking. Graphics can only go so far until they're perfectly life-like - which means that consoles will once-again (1999-2001 were very bad years for the console market.) lose their luster once the era of the PC Physics Engines begins. Although I'm sure the next console generation will try to rip it off like they did during the days of Half-Life/Counter-Strike's insanely popular infancy.

As for the future of gaming. Gas Powered Games has promised us an even grander scaled Real Time Strategy Game, based on it's already grand scaled Supreme Commander - this is in spite of the fact that they're trying (and according to reports from testers. Failing) to port to the X-box 360 out of spite to the cost of DRM's, and loser-pirates stealing their goods.

And then theres Spore. Oh the future of PC gaming is bright with Spore at the helm. A massive user-created universe of Peer-2-Peer based worlds and downloadable information. It will take the power of modders and put it into the common user's hands to expand with each new computer hooking up and playing. It will take the stale MMO genre to a whole new level without forcing people to pay annoying monthly charges, nor force them to play just to keep up with the joneses - since restarting your game only expands on the already existing universe!

Finally... MMORPG's. I need not say anything more than that. The console market can only wish it'd have the massive popularity that MMORPG's have - but sadly controllers are a huge limiting factor as Final Fantasy XI had found out the hard way. There have been estimates of over 36 million active subscribers to MMORPG's world-wide. You'd have to add in the sales of all three latest-generation consoles to match that number. No single console can match the PC's numbers.

But I digress, shall I remind you that every so-called console innovation was first done by the PC niche market? The only reason PC is even viewed as dead or dying, is because the closest thing to a centralized structure is the Windows Operating system - as opposed to the de-facto structures of Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony in regards to their console systems. Everything offered to us on the PC is created by third-party developers, who have to rely on their publishers entirely to push their games out to the public. Since it's cheaper and more effective to sell games online - more and more publishers are opting out of shipping boxed units to retail outlets such as Walmart and Gamestop. Considering the fact that the PC niche market never really offered many sales to retail outlets like Walmart and Gamestop, they in return opted to shrink their selections to the dark corner in the back of their stores making it a scary place where only the daring PC enthusiast would venture. This means less impulse sales for PC games - more for console games.

Third-party developers and their publishers for consoles on the other-hand don't have to worry about DRM's, and copy-right laws as it's all covered by the big-three corporations. This lowers their over-head drastically. Advertising along-side the big-three is a guaranteed success... and even if their game isn't any good, they can always make a couple hundred thousand sales to Blockbuster and Hollywood video for rental, second-hand resale, and liquidation. In today's console market, you can take a popular brand name of a previously successful/innovative game - and reuse it until you have 20+ sequels and you'll make millions off it! Sure the games suck in comparison to their older versions, but theres always going to be children out there eating it up. Dare I even mention the most obvious fact that publishers are more willing to devote funds to console games, rather than PC games? Naturally it's because console games are guaranteed decent returns thanks to the system set up by the big-three, rental outlets and retail outlets. Finally... The fact of the matter is - it's easier to sell to children than it is to adults. Consoles are more accessible to children, the Wii is the perfect testament to this obvious statement. This means it's easier to sell games on the console, than it is on the PC. PC games aren't guaranteed success unless they're good. - A crappy game can match that success on a console on it's Blockbuster/Hollywood Video Sales alone.

If video games were primarily for adults, we wouldn't have to worry about a ratings system now would we?

Console and PC gaming are two different entities entirely, we're comparing Apples to Oranges. The only thing similar about them is that they're both Fruit. Of course, I'm only reminding you of this because you even dared to mention that PC gaming is dead. The title especially irks me even now.

It's not even close to dead in any way - shape - or form, and I will chastise anybody who dares to even think that way.

[camper.]

It's not even close to dead in any way - shape - or form, and I will chastise anybody who dares to even think that way.

Oh yeah, keep talking babe.




































:dead:

[Alex98uk]

But you did ask... so I will say that PC creativity is still alive and booming in comparison to the pathetic knock-off/off-shoot/sequel filled frenzy known as console gaming.

Yes, i do agree that PC is best at FPS, hands down. But, bar Portal, there just hasn't been any creativity lately. The main reasons i think this happens is because large companies such as EA are buying up small developers such as Bullfrog and DICE and just nerfing them. Secondly, piracy and difficulty of programming makes PC games less profitable than a console counterpart.



But I digress, shall I remind you that every so-called console innovation was first done by the PC niche market?


Thing is, it doesn't matter who did it first. It's who is currently doing it best. And, at the moment (at the moment that is. Not last year or the future), console is. This includes things such as the Wii.


This means less impulse sales for PC games - more for console games.

And this is why game devs are moving towards consoles because its simply more profitable and easier in the long run.

[Hellsent]

I was thinking of getting a PS3...With a 19" TV/Screen...But i would have to sell my Computer to the side there <----------. You guys think its worth it? Ive experienced great games with great graphics but...i dunno..I would just like a more relaxed game..Liek i dont wanna be that guy who slumps over his keyboard and mouse playing a game all night long with headset on..I wanna sit on my bed with a wireless controller and play..relaxed..and have fun...Plus ALL my friends have PS3's and woudl love for me to join them..i coudl then free up my desk a bit to actually do some work!!! lol...if i have homework/coursework/revision to do..i just chuck it on the floor and play a game....


Lol sorry Alex for jackign your thread but didnt feel liek making another one asking basically the same stuff...

So...anyone wanna buy my PC? lol :D

[Dairuka]

Yes, i do agree that PC is best at FPS, hands down. But, bar Portal, there just hasn't been any creativity lately. The main reasons i think this happens is because large companies such as EA are buying up small developers such as Bullfrog and DICE and just nerfing them. Secondly, piracy and difficulty of programming makes PC games less profitable than a console counterpart.

Thats business.

Of course. There will always be small developers out there making new innovative games for the PC niche market. The PC niche market was supposed to die in 1992 (16-bit beat out 1mb SVGA Video Cards) and again in 2001 (dot.com crash after-effects and introduction of wide-spread public P2P piracy.)

Anyhow, with all this speak of creativity - what have the consoles done recently?

Thing is, it doesn't matter who did it first. It's who is currently doing it best. And, at the moment (at the moment that is. Not last year or the future), console is. This includes things such as the Wii.

You keep talking about PC creativity, yet you're saying it doesn't matter who comes up with the innovations first, but that it's about who does it better?

Try playing Call of Duty 4 on the X-box Live/PSO P2P networks and then we'll talk.

The sales system you're praising does function far better than the decentralized PC gaming niche's lack of a system, but it also has a major fault as Sega learned the hard way. The consoles themselves sell for a huge loss, just to remain competitive. Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft rely ENTIRELY on their sales system to succeed. Which means if they aren't backed by rental and retail - they die. Badly.

This means there is a very - very dangerous looming issue on the horizon. Blockbuster and Hollywood Video are losing drastic amounts of money due to online-rental services. If the rental outlets start cutting back, this means that game companies will be the first ones to take the hit.

The console market is trying to remedy this problem early with online-purchasing and even online renting, but it's extremely expensive right now... and the piss poor numbers don't show any signs of immediate relief.

I'd say the future looks bleak for consoles, especially as computing hardware is getting bigger and not smaller. (Quad-core anyone? Aegia cards the size of a tank?) Consoles are already over-heating like nobody's business due to the fact that they tried to force all that hardware into a tiny box... not smart design...

Of course, I'm not saying they won't over-come this, but the 2011/12 generation is going to be rough for console advocates. Especially as consumers scoff at the impendingly larger consoles, when they're used to the consoles getting smaller and smaller.

And this is why game devs are moving towards consoles because its simply more profitable and easier in the long run.

Game Developers are moving to consoles because it's more profitable and the market is bigger. Yes. It's a good system that has made Video Games part of the mainstream since the early 90's. Post-Floppy PC CD-ROM games were once part of that until CD-burners became widely available. (Remember renting PC games? I do.)

Note. That doesn't mean the PC market is diminishing. There is still growing demand. Pogo.com (and other casual game sites), Second Life, The Sims, and World of Warcraft's very existence are a huge boon to PC gaming as a whole simply by introducing millions of new gamers to the market.

The smart bet is that PC gaming will remain profitable and innovative well until PC's themselves become obsolete. No. Consoles will not be what makes PC's go obsolete.

[seoulspirit]

blue ray>PC's DVD