View Full Version : Overstrained. Happens too much
Beerman
09-30-2006, 08:29 PM
As the days and weeks pass by the game and the demo come closer. Although as usally I am stuck between two kits. Their both very good and I really should decide so I can put all my eggs in one basket so to speak. The kits are Assault and support, I'll let you take my mind for a ride.
Assault: Pros:
-Good firepower
-Good Accuracy
-Has Med hub and defib for medic points
- More unlocks
- more of a killing machine
Cons:
-I have payed Bf2 only as assault wanted to try something new
- Everyone is going to be playing this kit
- Doesnt have as "creative" unlocks
- Not a hint of AT weapontry
Support Pros:
- Great firepower
- Good accuracy with self stabilizer
- Has Amoo hub
- Something new
- Has creative unlocks
- Can see enemys through objects with scanner unlock
- Alot of ammo in each mag
- Has EMP nade to escape tanks
Cons:
- Have to lay down I HATE that
- May not like it and waste unlocks
- May get annoying when I have to wait to get good accuracy
- Overheating is annoying
- You dont have a under barrel shooty or rocket
Now these to me are almost dead on even, and before I had a obsession with recon and assault so any opinions on either kit would be appreiated.
btw: One thing about support is when I play it in bf2 I get very...welll...frustrated, and I hurt, many, many people....
Deadeye313
09-30-2006, 08:32 PM
You could always try engineer.
Beerman
09-30-2006, 08:35 PM
Nah eng is the only one I will nerver try.
Mepham[75thR]
09-30-2006, 08:43 PM
Nice points, think it would have been interesting if you had gone over all the kits though :D
xR3LOADx
09-30-2006, 08:48 PM
Nah eng is the only one I will nerver try.
Engi is the most fun kit to play, i didnt think it would be but it is. You have to try it.
Beerman
09-30-2006, 08:52 PM
Engi is the most fun kit to play, i didnt think it would be but it is. You have to try it.
Why would it be fun, you have a smg.
gNades
09-30-2006, 09:14 PM
does the rocket attachment do alot of damage?
Roger Smith
09-30-2006, 09:17 PM
engi is the best kit in the game, period. same goes for bf2.
cantina_fly
09-30-2006, 09:27 PM
Why not just play as both? Get a couple unlocks for each, and see which one you enjoy more? Yes, there will be no shortage of Assault players. Good Assault players? Now that's another story... Recon and Support will be tied for second, with Engineer a distant third. Assault in 2142 = Spec Ops in BF2. It will be the most versatile kit, but your basic grunt should be IMO. Recon and Support will both have there fans and every Assault player will most likely unlock one of these two kits next.
xR3LOADx
09-30-2006, 09:46 PM
Why would it be fun, you have a smg.
The SMG is actually a very good weapon. You have obviously not played the beta, so dont judge it.
Play Support without any unlocks to see its general play style and if you like it, you can use field upgrades to access the IPS shield and the EMP nade, so thats always good. I found support great, much easier to run and gun then in BF2, not as good as Assault ofc but still easier then BF2. Support is my fav kit, but i'm just going to unlock both kits. I expect to have them both in a month :)
As far as Engineer goes, its also the only kit i'm not going at least not at first. I did very much enjoy the kit but the SMG i found too akward to use and lack of a pistol annoyed me >.<.
But each to their own.
Beerman
10-01-2006, 12:16 AM
The SMG is actually a very good weapon. You have obviously not played the beta, so dont judge it.
I did breifly. So i can judge all I want.
Alaz its better run and gunning can you elaberate for me please?
jackal22
10-01-2006, 01:20 AM
the engie smg pretty much ownes everything up close even assult if your good with it. plan on using it a lot but only on titan mode, its going to get nerfed though just like the pkm.
Beerman
10-01-2006, 03:07 AM
The pkm had to be nerfed. It was a sniper rifle.
PastaManiac
10-01-2006, 03:20 AM
try them all you can make 4 soldeirs and can rank up 4 times in a row in 1 round I have done it twice once as a sniper as a reacon and 2nd as gaurding the titan as support.
I did breifly. So i can judge all I want.
Alaz its better run and gunning can you elaberate for me please?
Running around with the PKM and finding a guy around the corner = you dead 90% of the time. It had to adjust to fire, would still spray everywhere.
In 2142 all you have to do is crouch to your knees for an instant accuracy increase then fire full auto and you accuracy will increase fast enough to kill him before he kills you unless he's more on the ball then you.
Beerman
10-01-2006, 04:28 AM
Running around with the PKM and finding a guy around the corner = you dead 90% of the time. It had to adjust to fire, would still spray everywhere.
In 2142 all you have to do is crouch to your knees for an instant accuracy increase then fire full auto and you accuracy will increase fast enough to kill him before he kills you unless he's more on the ball then you.
O ok cool thanks.
ToxicVega
10-01-2006, 06:43 AM
Running around with the PKM and finding a guy around the corner = you dead 90% of the time. It had to adjust to fire, would still spray everywhere.
In 2142 all you have to do is crouch to your knees for an instant accuracy increase then fire full auto and you accuracy will increase fast enough to kill him before he kills you unless he's more on the ball then you.
The point of support was never to Run and Gun, it was to hold down the enemy so your squad could jump the hill or run the corner and kill (then you give him ammo)
cstasny24
10-01-2006, 08:45 AM
I have the same problem, but I am good with support, assult, and sniper. I love doing all 3 but I pretty much want to stick to one class.
I am leaning towards the assualt though, since the assult rifle is more inbetween a MG and a sniper. I hear the scope on Baur H-AR is awsome and good for single round long range. Plus add in a rocket launcher for out doors and a shotgun in you cant really go wrong.
One question for the assault: Can you have a medpack, defib, rocket at the same time. Or atleast a medpack and rocket.
ZcenturionZ
10-01-2006, 01:02 PM
Yeah ^^
or
can you use unlocks from one kit for another kit.
EG: You select Assault and also carry active camo?
Bombastium
10-01-2006, 01:05 PM
can you use unlocks from one kit for another kit.
EG: You select Assault and also carry active camo?
Unfortunately no.
JerKinXx
10-01-2006, 01:06 PM
Yeah ^^
or
can you use unlocks from one kit for another kit.
EG: You select Assault and also carry active camo?
RoflMaoooooOOOooooOOO.
We are not uber soldier...
jackal22
10-01-2006, 01:11 PM
i hated the baur at long range, fine it was good but at close range you will get owned by anything.
Beerman
10-01-2006, 01:18 PM
Anybody want to elaberate on the LMG, like how inaccurate are they until they adjust themselves. Also how do the ammo hubs work, I know you cant just pick them up and get 1 point.
Anybody want to elaberate on the LMG, like how inaccurate are they until they adjust themselves. Also how do the ammo hubs work, I know you cant just pick them up and get 1 point.
You dump down a ammo hub and it remains there for a set period, about a minute or two. If you put down another the first one dissapears. They constantly re-arm everyone within a certain radius of the ammo hub.
If you move even 1 step your accuracy on the machine guns goes out the window, its like half the screen wide. You have to let it settle for a bit and crouch to get the quickest accuracy boost. Dropping to prone instantly ruins accuracy no matter what you've been doing, so dont' go prone unless you know you've got some time to stabalize.
Beerman
10-01-2006, 05:10 PM
You dump down a ammo hub and it remains there for a set period, about a minute or two. If you put down another the first one dissapears. They constantly re-arm everyone within a certain radius of the ammo hub.
If you move even 1 step your accuracy on the machine guns goes out the window, its like half the screen wide. You have to let it settle for a bit and crouch to get the quickest accuracy boost. Dropping to prone instantly ruins accuracy no matter what you've been doing, so dont' go prone unless you know you've got some time to stabalize.
Ok cool ok two questions for ya Alaz
1. When you drop the ammo hub how fast does it resupply teammates and how fast do you get points.
2. When you are in prone how inaccurate is it like if there was a guy 25m away could I hit him in first 5 shots or would I be WAYYYYYY offf.
Ok cool ok two questions for ya Alaz
1. When you drop the ammo hub how fast does it resupply teammates and how fast do you get points.
2. When you are in prone how inaccurate is it like if there was a guy 25m away could I hit him in first 5 shots or would I be WAYYYYYY offf.
1: Um... fast enough, nades take 3 seconds, as does a full clip. So it'd take like 15 seconds to completely rearm youself from it. Points have been SEVERELY reduced from ammo/healing/repairing. You have to pretty much completely rearm someone from 0 clips to full to get a single point, but its not bad. I don't give supplies for points, i do it for the fun and team help aspect.
2: Going prone makes your accuracy as bad as it can get, but because you're prone it recovers faster then if you were just sprinting and stopped. Firing does make it get better but i'll be damned if you hit him in the first 15 shots. They really eliminated dolphin diving. Trick with Support is dropping to your knee or knowing in advance and going prone.
Beerman
10-01-2006, 07:04 PM
1: Um... fast enough, nades take 3 seconds, as does a full clip. So it'd take like 15 seconds to completely rearm youself from it. Points have been SEVERELY reduced from ammo/healing/repairing. You have to pretty much completely rearm someone from 0 clips to full to get a single point, but its not bad. I don't give supplies for points, i do it for the fun and team help aspect.
2: Going prone makes your accuracy as bad as it can get, but because you're prone it recovers faster then if you were just sprinting and stopped. Firing does make it get better but i'll be damned if you hit him in the first 15 shots. They really eliminated dolphin diving. Trick with Support is dropping to your knee or knowing in advance and going prone.
Support definatly doesnt sound as cool now lol.
Support definatly doesnt sound as cool now lol.
It is cool though, never have to worry about attacking a console in the Titan (assault uses 60% of its ammo taking a single console out), You can gun down more then 10 people before reloading and the A-12 Enforcer will always notify you of targets before they get to you, it can also watch your back. The IPS shield is also great for Titan defence. Its a great class, especially when we get this Dystek pulse meter and Netbad anti camo thingy.
Beerman
10-01-2006, 07:17 PM
Ya but without the ammo points you have a inaccurate gun with a high ammo count. Ill still play it just not as excited now lol
Ya but without the ammo points you have a inaccurate gun with a high ammo count. Ill still play it just not as excited now lol
Unlike in BF2 where you could just go past 3-4 guys and expect to get 3-4 points for giving them say just one pistol clip each, now the best places to get points are in the Titan corridors when there are a bunch of people defending it, or attacking the Titan when everyone is shooting the consoles/core.
Beerman
10-02-2006, 01:01 AM
Still though, support isnt gonna get the points it use to. Assault is gonna pwn point wise.
cantina_fly
10-02-2006, 01:18 AM
One thing I've seen mentioned a couple times and will comment on. Crouching is the new dolphin diving. Everytime you would have dove to the ground in BF2 (except trying to take cover) you will want to crouch in 2142. If you never crouched a lot in BF2, I might go as far as remapping your crouch key to "Z" Then you can go hunting for that key you never use when you need to prone.
cstasny24
10-02-2006, 01:21 AM
One thing I've seen mentioned a couple times and will comment on. Crouching is the new dolphin diving. Everytime you would have dove to the ground in BF2 (except trying to take cover) you will want to crouch in 2142. If you never crouched a lot in BF2, I might go as far as remapping your crouch key to "Z" Then you can go hunting for that key you never use when you need to prone.
Why is diving no longer what people do?
Why is diving no longer what people do?
If you dive to the ground you lose all your accuracy and couldn't hit a barn door for a few seconds. Its garunteed to get you killed.
cstasny24
10-02-2006, 01:23 AM
If you dive to the ground you lose all your accuracy and couldn't hit a barn door for a few seconds. Its garunteed to get you killed.
Does this hold true for all guns?
Does this hold true for all guns?
Yes, you must lay down for a few seconds first. Its designed to put an end to dolphin diving or just playing a game where first to go prone wins, like it can be in BF2 somtimes. I just means if you're caught by surprise, go to your knee for quick accuracy. If you want a careful calculated shot, go prone wait, steady, aim, fire.
Demize99
10-02-2006, 10:33 AM
Does this hold true for all guns?
The sniper rifles have this penality, but they recover much more quickly than all other guns.
The sniper rifles have this penality, but they recover much more quickly than all other guns.
I had wondered about that, thats good to hear.
Beerman
10-02-2006, 11:39 AM
That is very dumb, it sickens me. I can see if you jump prone you need a second or so to aim but this is just too long, now everyone will crouch what does this solve? Nothing, DICE just keeps listening to noobs so they can make as much money as possible.
That is very dumb, it sickens me. I can see if you jump prone you need a second or so to aim but this is just too long, now everyone will crouch what does this solve? Nothing, DICE just keeps listening to noobs so they can make as much money as possible.
It solves the problem of dolphin diving, It is stupid looking and unrealistic for everyone to dive to their belly everytime they see someone to get better accuracy, it also makes them harder to hit. Crouching in this doesn't make you much harder to hit and gives you only a slight accuracy boost. Because the accuracy boost isnt' even that great when crouching sometimes people don't even crouch, so what does it achieve you ask? non stupid looking combat and people who aren't as hard to hit due to prone spamming.
Gatling762
10-02-2006, 04:09 PM
Well my two cents here, you can fire the support guns standing and still get the accuracy bonus. Just don't move. Of course standing makes you easier to hit as well.
Don't knock the 2142 support guns until you try them, huge improvements. Yes going prone does mess you up for about 2 seconds, BUT once established in the prone and dialed in you can really dish out some very accurate pain. And like Alaz said you can go full auto rock and roll up close with a decent chance of getting a kill on the move. Especially if the release version has improved the cooldown/overheat.
If you really want instant accuracy gratification then go with the Voss unlock in the Assault tree and forget about support.
As for the Engy SMG, nasty fun little weapon up close. Nothing wimpy about it, of course when the ammo is gone you don't have a pistol backup. Does ok at medium range but beyond that don't bother.
-Gat
jackal22
10-02-2006, 04:25 PM
tbh i didnt see anyone crouch or prone, nearly everyone was standing to take shots.
only exceptions were titan coridors and when your taking a silo, you can go prone and sort of hide your self under the overhang.
Sir. Tasty
10-02-2006, 04:27 PM
All i want is the support shotgun :p
Beerman
10-03-2006, 01:15 AM
Well I guess I should be glad theres no more G36E that is my most hated weapon. A medic having a burst fire snipe rifle and is still accurate when u strafe. Man I hated that since day 1 lol
The Cow Goes Moo
10-03-2006, 02:21 AM
OMG u all give him huge answers sum off topic
Go with
SUPPORT
Shady
10-03-2006, 02:23 AM
Support will probly be the better choice;).Butit's all up 2 u ;)
Beerman
10-03-2006, 11:30 AM
I dunno support isnt as much of a killer in 2142 cause of the aim delay when you go prone.
JerKinXx
10-03-2006, 12:32 PM
I dunno support isnt as much of a killer in 2142 cause of the aim delay when you go prone.
Just crouch...
So hard to press CTRL?
Khemical
10-03-2006, 07:23 PM
I'm going to sneak in here and ask...how's the Support HMG?
And I'm glad to hear the death of dolphin diving. The only time I ever did the jump to prone was when I was diving for cover.
Nefarious
10-03-2006, 07:29 PM
Atleast there isnt left and right leaning like in other FPS's. Then we would be playing Exploitation Central.
Like DICE promised, BF2142 is going to be less glitchy, buggy and an overall better game...and really, do we have any reason not to trust them.;)
Beerman
10-03-2006, 10:10 PM
Just crouch...
So hard to press CTRL?
If I wanted to crouch id be assault :)
If I wanted to crouch id be assault :)
Every single kit has the prone penalty you know, and it always ruins accuracy. Just takes longer for Support to sort itself out, too rightly too as diving down and hitting the ground with a thud would require you moving your arms, more then likely taking them away from your gun entirely, you'd need to re-adjust things perhaps, it only takes 2 seconds to sort itself out for most guns. Not as if it ruins gameplay, everyone has to abide by this law.
exXxtremeBoy
10-04-2006, 02:59 AM
Recon is going to own look u could either kill people far away with a sniper and if a tank comes by turne or the Optical Camouflag run to it pull out some c7 and blow it up and go back to sniping :D
Beerman
10-05-2006, 12:01 AM
Every single kit has the prone penalty you know, and it always ruins accuracy. Just takes longer for Support to sort itself out, too rightly too as diving down and hitting the ground with a thud would require you moving your arms, more then likely taking them away from your gun entirely, you'd need to re-adjust things perhaps, it only takes 2 seconds to sort itself out for most guns. Not as if it ruins gameplay, everyone has to abide by this law.
Ya I know I just hate it so much MOMMY!
Ya I know I just hate it so much MOMMY!
lmao :p
You know that Recon's carbine starts losing dmg at half the distance of assault rifles... thats where the difference lies, long range assault rifle pwnage haha.
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