No love for eningneer?

[pyrpieman]

Ive heard a lot of hate for the eningneer and im not sure, i didnt play beta, but it has anti armor and anti air rockets. So why is it not liked as much as the others?

[JerKinXx]

Maybe ppl likes having Infantry fight than Vehicle fight.
Nah...
When a walker appear on the battlefield,there will be an engineer...

Actually I'm going to unlock Left Engineer Tree. ;)

[pyrpieman]

hmm whats the Koenig H-AVR?

[JerKinXx]

Its a Heavy anti-tank rifle.
Powerful but no guidance.

[pyrpieman]

ahhh....

[JerKinXx]

ahhh....
Wtf?
Stop spamming or ... :ar15:

[xR3LOADx]

Ive heard a lot of hate for the eningneer and im not sure, i didnt play beta, but it has anti armor and anti air rockets. So why is it not liked as much as the others?

Dont worry Engineer is awsome, i hate AT, Engi in Bf2 but its so much fun in 2142.

The SMG is great, good for killing infantry and then if you get attacked by armour you can wack out your Rocket launcher and blow it up.

The mines, EMP's are great for setting traps, ill post a video when the NDA becomes void.

But no, its a great class, cant wait to use it.

[biff77]

I've been wondering the same thing. I don't understand why not many people want to be engineer. I think the Koening sounds AMAZING and am quite excited to unlock that engi tree, after some assault stuff of course to get points faster. Glad to hear there's at least some love for the kit though ;-)

[JerKinXx]

I pwnz ppl in BF2 using engi cuz of noobs wanna ram me then I shoot em with my rocket then bomb!
3 kills!

[BIFF EXPLODER]

engineer ROCKS! on 2142, once you try that oversized leaf blower that can explode tanks with 1 shot u will go crazy with love for that class :D

i was engineer 99% of the time on 1942, and i didnt like the class so much in bf2 but now the class is awsome again, dont worry it will rock!

[Ghost]

I actually didn't mind engineer in bf2. I could do pretty well with it.
And you could have a squad of apcs and tanks, and if you were all engineers you would repair each other automatically. I think engineers will always be the most underrated kit, it's not necessarily the most action packed kit, but in the long term during a heavy match, they end up doing a lot of damage and offering a lot of help; the longer the match, more the vehicles, the more the engineers will shine. And in bf 2142, with the emp mines and extra anti-vehicle weaponry for both the right and left trees of the engineering kit, I see the engineer being even more powerful.
not to mention the the bf2 engineer kit and Anti-tank kits have merged in bf2142

[Alaz]

Its a good gun but its SMG is useless at long range, deviation and decreased damage at range means that with longer range engagements you'll need 10 hits to kill a target or something silly like that. Its still a great kit, I believe any lack of love for this kit was generated by the more infantry combat in Verdun. A more vehicle heavy map may create more love for the kit.

[Anzillu]

In bf2 one of my favorite classes was anti tank, now i can be a tank repairing anti tank....yeay :)

[Deadeye313]

I'll be putting half of my unlocks into engineer and the other half, support. For some reason, I always ended up being the anti-tank guy in BF2. So I think there will be quite a need for anti-tank work in 2142 too.

[Beerman]

I'll try it maybe, ive heard theres more amour in 2142.

[Xalox]

I'll try it maybe, ive heard theres more amour in 2142.

Well it really depends on the map but there will be plenty of use for anti-amour on any map.

[Beerman]

Well it really depends on the map but there will be plenty of use for anti-amour on any map.

Well man before 1.3 I was a exetreme AT guy like crazy. 100 hrs with a total of 130 if I remember. I did awsome until I encountered that bug in 1.3 that rockets went through vehicles so that and I was playin more Sf I played assault. I am sure there will be plenty of eng, but more than likly they won't include me.

[Sir. kaheiyeh]

Engineer will pwn in 2142. I'm going straight for the engy unlocks when I get my ranks. Just wondering is the Koenig H-AVR accurate enough to use against infantry? If you could, i'd imagine the guy getting blown to pieces if it can damage armor seriously.

[cantina_fly]

I played a 50/50 split of Assault and Engineer in beta and I enjoyed the class alot, but unless you're an armor/mech whore, you're much more dependant on your squad to have a good game. For instance, your AT missle is harder to steer in 2142, so having a support guy imobilize the target with an EMP grenade is priceless. You're also going to burn through ammo faster then any other class , and that ready resupply will again save your bacon. We also know what wonderfull K-to-D ratios AT have. They truely "take one for the team" in a lot of cases, so that Assault guy needs to be there to bring you back. There is also still no partial credit for putting an AT rocket into a target. The last guy still gets the credit. And if you worked your @ss off to do most of that damage, your kill assist has been nerfed to 1/2 a point now. I also didn't do enough armor whoring to watch if you get repair points for fixing your own tank now. I know in BF2, you got no repair points for an empty vehicle, so I'd imagine 2142 will work the same way.

I don't even want to go into mines. I stopped using them after the first game. Unless you dropped them right outside the enemy base, you were almost guaranteed a TK (Usually 2 or 3 depending on the vehicle.) If servers have the option to turn FF=OFF for mines, then I'll unlock the first 3 unlocks on the right side (roller mines, adv. repair tool, emp mines.) Otherwise, I'll pass on all the Engineer unlocks.

You also have to be a lot more carefull with your SMG ammo because that's all you have. No pistol, so if your clip runs out in the middle of a firefight, you're dead. That only has to happen once or twice before you learn to reload once the clip is down to 25% or so. Which just compounds the problem (once again, that friendly support guy is really needed.)

One nice thing they could do is give you the option to use AP rounds in your launcher. A big frag missle. Give it the same damage as the Assault rifle rockets, but give it a much bigger splash radius, and no steering. Then the Engineer is still a worthwhile guy to have around on those less vehicle heavy maps.

So you really have to be a selfless player to go predominately Engineer. Given what I've seen of the BF2 community, I'd bet against it.

[2142-Android]

wow the egineer kit sounds awsome in 2142

[Koen]

I've been wondering the same thing. I don't understand why not many people want to be engineer. I think the Koening sounds AMAZING and am quite excited to unlock that engi tree, after some assault stuff of course to get points faster. Glad to hear there's at least some love for the kit though ;-)

Ofcourse Koenig H-AVR sounds amazing! ;)
anyway, I like the engineer kit, used it alot in the beta

[pyrpieman]

damn thats funny, before i go putting my unlocks into a kit im gonna play alot of single player so i can find out :what kits i like the most,what vechs i like the most, and what maps fit my taste or not.

[Junkyard_Dawg]

Does anyone know of a video that shows how the Koenig H-AVR shoots?

[siiix]

i plaid 90% engy in BF2 (so maybe 500hours) ,
my MAIN problem in beta was that with the default gun its really hard to kill people - and to be honest what else would one use as engy ? i know many lamers cant stand being hit by a rocket - but with out this feature there is simply not gona be much of engineering going on

there is also the point on recon being so damn good compared to special ops or sniper in BF2

a lot of people play AT because they simply suck with machinegun close or mid range (me too) - so engineer wont solve this problem in 2142 BUT recon does

with recon i can be :
-invisible
-have tons of explosives
-have a sniper rifle

a perfect kit for someone that sux at close/mid range
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1 more reason:
the engy unlocks SUX, i mean the only exciding unlock is the IL-29 Motion Mine, who the hell want and EMP or a AE Defuser? those things are as good/useful like smoke grenade or a flash in BF2
and seriously the DysTek Repair thing is only good to get better score (how exciting, stat padders best friend ;) )...

any other kit the unlocks are ultra cool
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With that said, i will give the engy kit unlock a chance the one you call anti air SAAW86 (witch is not like the AA's in bf2) i have the feeling that will work better against people as well, it is preatty much like the guided AT in bf2 with a little bit less damage

also if you like vehicles (and I do) it is kinda useful if you can repair your own vehicle (even if you don’t get any points for that)
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PreDaToR : in bf2 AT's always went trough vehicles, since day 1, like i said i play just about only AT since the game came out till today

[cantina_fly]

Does anyone know of a video that shows how the Koenig H-AVR shoots?
Think of having a tank gun on your shoulder. It has about the same arc. And does about the same amount of damage (minus the splash.) The sights are just two concentric circles though, so it's really hard to line up infantry at anything but point blank range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXngSIEVMi0

If you want a so-so video clip. Not very good IMO.

[BIFF EXPLODER]

he gun rocks, 1 shot in the back and the tank goes on fire, 2 shots on the apc's wheels and same happens

[Beerman]

PreDaToR : in bf2 AT's always went trough vehicles, since day 1, like i said i play just about only AT since the game came out till today

I nerver noticed till after 1.3, I think I would have noticed. You too busy with ENG

[xR3LOADx]

my MAIN problem in beta was that with the default gun its really hard to kill people - and to be honest what else would one use as engy ?


If you had a hard time killing people with the SMG you must have a bad aim lol.

The standard SMG's for both kits were great weapons, excellent for close quaters combat, powerful enough to take a copuple of people out with.

So dont blame the weapon lol, maybe think the user of the weapon has a problem:p

[jackal22]

on titan mode teh engineer will be the most useful class imo, 2 rockets to a controle pannel = destroyed. saves you emptying 20 clips of assult gun fire into them.

actually i think i will play engie quite a bit, i played it loads in the beta so...

[Beerman]

on titan mode teh engineer will be the most useful class imo, 2 rockets to a controle pannel = destroyed. saves you emptying 20 clips of assult gun fire into them.

actually i think i will play engie quite a bit, i played it loads in the beta so...

Hope I play with you, Need Ammo??

[xR3LOADx]

Hope I play with you, Need Ammo??

I need resupplys lol. You can be my personal ammo assistant, i expect resupplys regualry tho :p

[Beerman]

I need resupplys lol. You can be my personal ammo assistant, i expect resupplys regualry tho :p

Can do lol Ill fire like a bunny on cocaine to cover ya and disable tanks so you can get a easy kill ;)

[xR3LOADx]

Can do lol Ill fire like a bunny on cocaine to cover ya and disable tanks so you can get a easy kill ;)

Ill show you how to set traps in the demo if ya want lol. Make sure you add xR3LOADx.

[Litany]

Engineer was the only tree I didn't play in the beta, going to try it in the demo thats for sure

[jackal22]

Hope I play with you, Need Ammo??

sure i was always running out lol:D

[siiix]

If you had a hard time killing people with the SMG you must have a bad aim lol.

The standard SMG's for both kits were great weapons, excellent for close quaters combat, powerful enough to take a copuple of people out with.

So dont blame the weapon lol, maybe think the user of the weapon has a problem:p

that’s correct, not every one has skill to aim, its not the weapon its me - there is nothing wrong with that bf2/2142 gives people the opportunity to specialize them self’s in the field they good at

I plaid 700+ hours ranked and about 500+ hours unranked and still cant aim with machineguns, but I don’t mind there are other weapons

BUT that the standard rocket in 2142 don’t kill people easy that is the weapon fault

[Beerman]

Ill show you how to set traps in the demo if ya want lol. Make sure you add xR3LOADx.

I'll make sure I will maybe I wont be noob for too long :) Cant wait for the sentry people chasing me place that and run lol at least I can get away lol. PreDaToR-18 or PreDaToR:[AK] is me :)

[xR3LOADx]

that’s correct, not every one has skill to aim, its not the weapon its me - there is nothing wrong with that bf2/2142 gives people the opportunity to specialize them self’s in the field they good at

I plaid 700+ hours ranked and about 500+ hours unranked and still cant aim with machineguns, but I don’t mind there are other weapons

BUT that the standard rocket in 2142 don’t kill people easy that is the weapon fault

Wow after 1200 hours you still cant aim lol. Ive only played BF2 for like 160 hours.

And the standard rocke does kill people easy, you have to know where to aim it, different hit locations.

[Anzillu]

God it bugged me about bf2 that ppl whined when I used my rockets to kill them..for cryin out loud, a AT has only a handfull of rockets while others have clips full and with a little skill even a PKM can kill in 2 shots at long range.
So prepair ppl if I can hit get you with the SMG I WILL use my rockets...was good at it in BF2 so.muahaha ! ! !

[PatrioticWhale51]

My favorite class hands down. What I'm working on as soon as I get BF2142.

[Alaz]

I'm really glad that lots of you guys are going Engineer, in all the polls its the only class that falls drastically behind and yet its such a valuble class.

[Beerman]

^^ it is valuble if there was none or near to it mechs would own alot more.

[Anzillu]

I think once the demo is out..and later the full game ppl will notice they are being cut to pieces by vehicles if there are no engineers so it will probably stabilize in the end.

[Alaz]

I recall one map where we won and it was all down to one man, a single engineer who was my gunner in my mech. He would always repair me. Kept us alive for 30 minutes, we took every silo we went to. Ended up keeping 4 out of the 5 silos at almost any given point thanks to him always repairing us after a duel with a tank.

[PatrioticWhale51]

I recall one map where we won and it was all down to one man, a single engineer who was my gunner in my mech. He would always repair me. Kept us alive for 30 minutes, we took every silo we went to. Ended up keeping 4 out of the 5 silos at almost any given point thanks to him always repairing us after a duel with a tank.

I can never manage this cause I'm sometimes the driver and when I get out to repair the gunner switches and drives of going "loleololo111oneon!!!111!eleven!".

And if I'm the gunner the guy never waits. But if they did it would work so well.

[xR3LOADx]

I can never manage this cause I'm sometimes the driver and when I get out to repair the gunner switches and drives of going "loleololo111oneon!!!111!eleven!".

And if I'm the gunner the guy never waits. But if they did it would work so well.

Thats why only people who know what there doing should drive the mechs.

[Alaz]

I can never manage this cause I'm sometimes the driver and when I get out to repair the gunner switches and drives of going "loleololo111oneon!!!111!eleven!".

And if I'm the gunner the guy never waits. But if they did it would work so well.

Actually i must admit i did walk off leaving him once and honestly didn't notice, that was until he shot a missile into my back haha. Then i went back to get him xD.

[xR3LOADx]

Actually i must admit i did walk off leaving him once and honestly didn't notice, that was until he shot a missile into my back haha. Then i went back to get him xD.

It was me lol. j/k.

Is there any sections of the Walkers that are 1 hit kills?

[Ghost]

the starter of this thread pyrpieman (http://www.totalbf2142.com/forums/member.php?u=2498) should see if he can edit his first post and add a poll with options for who will be an engineer in bf2142, or how valuable they feel the kit is in bf2142 or something.
Cause I know that I woul be an engineer for my squad if they needed it np

[xR3LOADx]

the starter of this thread pyrpieman (http://www.totalbf2142.com/forums/member.php?u=2498) should see if you can edit his first post and add a poll with options for who will be an engineer in bf2142, or how valuable they feel the kit is in bf2142 or something.
Cause I know that I woul be an engineer for my squad if they needed it np

There's so much armour in 2142 AT is needed all the time.

Thats why its gonna be one of my most used kits.

[siiix]

Wow after 1200 hours you still cant aim lol. Ive only played BF2 for like 160 hours.

And the standard rocke does kill people easy, you have to know where to aim it, different hit locations.

i meant infantry - NOT vehicles
its not like in bf2 where the rocket sometimes go trough all kinds of targets, in 2142 it did made the boom but infantry still happy - witch means I’m 100% dead as reload time is a dead sentence in such situations (unless there is a vehicle right next to me)

aim : i know its not really something i can learn i guess, i just suck at that, about 4 out of 5 times if i use a MG (any i have all unlocks) i see an enemy at the same time - I’m the 1st dead, if he goes prone then 9 out of 10
BUT witch shotguns and AT I have both a 0.65 at least, witch I’m actually happy with


There's so much armour in 2142 AT is needed all the time.

Thats why its gonna be one of my most used kits.
and will you be one of those that play a kit even trough they dont like it just to help the team ? because most people play what ever they want/feel-like to not what is needed

besides its easier to take out vehicles with explosives in 2142 the standard engy gun
vehicle bombs works still as well beautifully

[xR3LOADx]

i meant infantry - NOT vehicles
its not like in bf2 where the rocket sometimes go trough all kinds of targets, in 2142 it did made the boom but infantry still happy - witch means I’m 100% dead as reload time is a dead sentence in such situations (unless there is a vehicle right next to me)

aim : i know its not really something i can learn i guess, i just suck at that, about 4 out of 5 times if i use a MG (any i have all unlocks) i see an enemy at the same time - I’m the 1st dead, if he goes prone then 9 out of 10
BUT witch shotguns and AT I have both a 0.65 at least, witch I’m actually happy with

Wats your K/D ratio and your SPM?

Just keep practising lol.

[siiix]

Wats your K/D ratio and your SPM?

Just keep practising lol.

light machine gun 0.38
Submachinegun 0.27
Assault Rifle 0.13
Carbines 0.26

the total K/D is 0.63

spm ? is that
Average Score per match: 21.1 BUT that incluses a lot of comander score about 30% of total

so its hopeless : )
is no problem i dont play for score, i play for fun, and at 20k i already have every unlock (except the 2 sniper rifles witch i dont like anyway)