Who plays PC and well as a XBOX 360?

[Ultra Shotz]

Ok guys i have just got one of these XFPS (http://www.modchip-store.co.uk/XFPS-360-V3-SNIPER-PLUS-p-1291.html) and i have to say what a great bit of kit, now i can play BFBC like BF2 on PC very good for any FPS player invest in one and you will see your K/D shoot up.

UK Link (http://www.modchip-store.co.uk/XFPS-360-V3-SNIPER-PLUS-p-1291.html)

[Kyle]

I was seriously looking into one of these, but I heard they weren't what they were all cracked up to be...

But if I could find on that had a perfectly functioning mouse and keyboard input (as in exactly the same as my computer atm), then I would buy it for sure.

[Ultra Shotz]

Then check here (http://xim360.com) m8 :)

[Limehouse]

Isn't... using a keyboard/mouse on a console somewhat defeating the point of it?

[Ultra Shotz]

defeating what point m8 :confused: i find it hard to adjust to the xbox controller after playing 10 years of PC FPS.

All it is doing is allowing you to use a mouse and keyboard nothing more since i got my one i now win most assault battles one on one because i have greater control where my cursor is IE the HEAD SHOT

[Whiskey]

Isn't... using a keyboard/mouse on a console somewhat defeating the point of it?

Only if your main reason for using a console is to sit or lie back on a comfy couch with a controller.

But for those who use a console for other reasons (ie. cheaper than a well-upgraded gaming PC, standard graphics, already have one for the kids, no compatibility issues with software, games don't have to be installed/uninstalled, less cheating, better friends matching), the controller is a liability in FPS games, lacking the control/accuracy of mouse/kybd. This device, if it works, gives that control back.

If I ever decide to buy a Console, this looks like something I'll definitely invest in for FPS games. I'd like to hear more reviews from people who have tried it.

[Ultra Shotz]

The only reason i gave up PC gaming is i now have a family with a £136.000 house two cars and a hobby CBR 900 bike.

I had a hand built custom PC worth £1.700 i sold that used the funds to buy a 32'' HDTV new xbox 360 elite and a few other bits.

PC gaming is getting out of hand with all the upgrades every 3 months :( so xbox was the way forward for me :thumbsup:

i now enjoy my mature clan (http://www.13ghosts.co.uk) and my xbox 360

well worth investing in the mouse and keyboard set.

[Limehouse]

defeating what point m8 :confused: i find it hard to adjust to the xbox controller after playing 10 years of PC FPS.

All it is doing is allowing you to use a mouse and keyboard nothing more since i got my one i now win most assault battles one on one because i have greater control where my cursor is IE the HEAD SHOT

You mean, taking the easy option? I used to think that, being a long time UT2004/BF2/BF2142 player, but with practice, a controller can be just as accurate/effective as a keyboard/mouse setup.

But for those who use a console for other reasons (ie. cheaper than a well-upgraded gaming PC, standard graphics, already have one for the kids, no compatibility issues with software, games don't have to be installed/uninstalled, less cheating, better friends matching), the controller is a liability in FPS games, lacking the control/accuracy of mouse/kybd. This device, if it works, gives that control back.

The contoller is a liability? I'm sorry, but that is just not true. A keyboard/mouse takes time to get used to (albeit less than a controller) And if you think about it, if someone's bought a console without any pre-existing gaming experience (PC or otherwise), they're not going to go out and buy the aforementioned peripheral.

It just, in my mind, seems a little lazy.

[Ultra Shotz]

Why is it a easy option? it is a different option

and when you have been using a mouse and keyboard for 10 years it is very hard to adjust to the controller.

like when you have been in a job for 10 years doing the same thing and move onto something totally new it is hard to adjust.

for example as we are in the BFBC forums :laugh: i was a rifleman for 5 years then moved on to sniper took me a while to adjust the L96 from the SA80.

http://www.13ghosts.co.uk/forums/cimages/sniperpic.jpg

I'm just set in my way i suppose ;)

[Manzi]

anything like this for a ps3?

[Whiskey]

The contoller is a liability? I'm sorry, but that is just not true. A keyboard/mouse takes time to get used to (albeit less than a controller) And if you think about it, if someone's bought a console without any pre-existing gaming experience (PC or otherwise), they're not going to go out and buy the aforementioned peripheral.

The controller is a liability in FPS games because it limits what you can do and how fast you can do it. The thumbsticks are nowhere near as accurate or precise as kybd/mouse. It is an inferior control scheme for FPS games (but might be superior for others, such as sports games), therefore it limits the game. When everyone is on the same controller, however, it is a level playing field, inferior or not, but that's not the point.

The "getting used to it" argument is invalid - any control scheme you're not used to takes time to become accustomed to.

FPS games evolved to the form we see today on PC...games like Doom, Quake, CounterStrike, etc, were the pioneers, with a huge fan base. Your average console player might not buy this peripheral, but PC users who avoid console FPS games because of the inferior control scheme would. And that's what the original poster is referring to. Smart console players who want an edge on the competition would also be interested in it.

All you have to do to test this is take 2 players of equal skill, 1 who is used to a controller, 1 who is used to a kybd/mouse and pit them against each other with 1 using the controller and the other using the XFPS. Again, if they are of equal skill, and the XFPS performs as advertised, that player will win because it is a superior control mechanism.

anything like this for a ps3?

There are some similar things, like this: http://gear.ign.com/articles/799/799262p1.html

[Ultra Shotz]

anything like this for a ps3?

Yes what Whiskey posted two posts down m8

There are some similar things, like this: http://gear.ign.com/articles/799/799262p1.html

Give it time and we all soon will be using mouse and keyboard in FPS on xbox :thumbsup:

[Manzi]

ok thats it im getting this when i get my ps3.

:D

[Kyle]

The controller is a liability in FPS games because it limits what you can do and how fast you can do it. The thumbsticks are nowhere near as accurate or precise as kybd/mouse. It is an inferior control scheme for FPS games (but might be superior for others, such as sports games), therefore it limits the game. When everyone is on the same controller, however, it is a level playing field, inferior or not, but that's not the point.

The "getting used to it" argument is invalid - any control scheme you're not used to takes time to become accustomed to.

FPS games evolved to the form we see today on PC...games like Doom, Quake, CounterStrike, etc, were the pioneers, with a huge fan base. Your average console player might not buy this peripheral, but PC users who avoid console FPS games because of the inferior control scheme would. And that's what the original poster is referring to. Smart console players who want an edge on the competition would also be interested in it.

All you have to do to test this is take 2 players of equal skill, 1 who is used to a controller, 1 who is used to a kybd/mouse and pit them against each other with 1 using the controller and the other using the XFPS. Again, if they are of equal skill, and the XFPS performs as advertised, that player will win because it is a superior control mechanism.



There are some similar things, like this: http://gear.ign.com/articles/799/799262p1.html

It's so true.

Imagine the precision and accuracy you MUST have in games like CS, it's one hundred times harder with a controller because you have to kind of guess how much to move the joystick over, and instead with a mouse, you just move it to where you want to.

[BrokenMachine]

They should just add mouse and keyboard support and make everyone's life easier rather than having to buy mouse and keyboard emulators which basically aren't quite as good as a mouse and keyboard but are better than a controller.

That way they would probably sell more copies of Bad Company as you'd get more pc players (with consoles) buying the game as well.

But I doubt that would ever happen.

[Limehouse]

It's so true.

Imagine the precision and accuracy you MUST have in games like CS, it's one hundred times harder with a controller because you have to kind of guess how much to move the joystick over, and instead with a mouse, you just move it to where you want to.

Console games are specifically designed for use with controllers, so there's no issue of 'accuracy' if everyone's using controllers.

[Ultra Shotz]

Console games are specifically designed for use with controllers, so there's no issue of 'accuracy' if everyone's using controllers.

Why because the console came with a controller? if they were designed for controllers only then these items would not be on the market.

FPS should and always will be played with a mouse and keyboard PC or XBOX

[Limehouse]

Why because the console came with a controller? if they were designed for controllers only then these items would not be on the market.

FPS should and always will be played with a mouse and keyboard PC or XBOX

Yes because they came with a controller. Games are developed, for consoles, with a controller in mind exactly for the reason that they come with the console.

I'm sorry, but the matter is purely subjective. You failed include PS3?

[Ultra Shotz]

Yes because they came with a controller. Games are developed, for consoles, with a controller in mind exactly for the reason that they come with the console.

I'm sorry, but the matter is purely subjective. You failed include PS3?

I do not have a PS3 so i cant really comment on it, that is a total new subject i can sum the PS3 comment '£350 to much'

Once BFBC is released on friday im going to make a few vids with my capture card one with a controller and one with using a mouse and keyboard. to show for me using a controller how hard it is for me to pick up and use well. I just can't get used to it.

[Limehouse]

I do not have a PS3 so i cant really comment on it, that is a total new subject i can sum the PS3 comment '£350 to much'

Once BFBC is released on friday im going to make a few vids with my capture card one with a controller and one with using a mouse and keyboard. to show for me using a controller how hard it is for me to pick up and use well. I just can't get used to it.

Fair enough someone in your situation, but for most people it's just impractical to go out and buy a peripheral that most people don't need.

[ham_411]

i like the idea of using M&K for the 360. just at current, the two are set up in different rooms, on different furniture setups so it would be a pain in the *** to re-arange it all, but probably a worth while one nonetheless.

a peripheral that most people don't need.

To most people, i don't think it's a matter of need, it's more a matter of choosing to use it to enhance their playing experience. If people are happy with the controller then that's fine.

However, i can see a small group of people at least who would probably use this device as a reason to moan about it being an unfair advantage. which it probably is an advantage, but not an unfair one as it is readily available to anyone, and not just a select few.

[sGkillfest]

Well until they make a left handed version of the ps3 gadget it's out of the question for me :(

[Kyle]

They should just add mouse and keyboard support and make everyone's life easier rather than having to buy mouse and keyboard emulators which basically aren't quite as good as a mouse and keyboard but are better than a controller.

That way they would probably sell more copies of Bad Company as you'd get more pc players (with consoles) buying the game as well.

But I doubt that would ever happen.

I actually don't understand why consoles don't do this... they would turn out a much larger profit.

Console games are specifically designed for use with controllers, so there's no issue of 'accuracy' if everyone's using controllers.

Haha, yea sure, but the Mouse and Keyboard will still be better. Duh.

And console games aren't always specifically designed for consoles. MP play in CoD4 for example is identical to that of the said game on the PC. Just due to the more agile and powerful controls, its played very differently.

[sGkillfest]

I actually don't understand why consoles don't do this... because honestly it would make PC gaming obsolete.

One reason is a lot of people connect their console to a tv so don't have ready access to a desk to put a mouse/keyboard on

[Kyle]

One reason is a lot of people connect their console to a tv so don't have ready access to a desk to put a mouse/keyboard on

Dude, you totally made that up.

:laugh:

I had a conversation with a friend that made me change my mind.

[Cade]

S'more of a matter of practice.

I have friends who're quite good at both and they can't discern any clear advantage of one over the other. They're deadly with both simply because they've had lots of practice.

Using non-sanctioned means to give yourself a advantage over any average controller-using player, skill notwithstanding, just seems like cheating to me eitherway.