Finding the Squad Right for You

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

Many times, I don't feel like being a squad leader, and just want to be a grunt for once. However, many squadleaders are idiots who make one for the namesake and ignore all their teammates. As a result, I made this quick little "checklist" to find a good squad that will allow you to get points and field unlocks like no tomorrow.

1) Squad Leader Issues Orders - Many times, I pop in and out of squads just to see which one gives orders. It is very annoying to spam "Orders, Sir?" over and over again to your braindead squadleader. Orders, when followed, allow you to rack up points, both for your score and for field unlocks, so Squad Leaders who give orders are extremely important, and never join a squad whose leader doesn’t.

2) Relative position of the Squad Leader – The Squad Leader’s top priority should be staying alive (or dropping a squad beacon). Either way, they should not be kamikaze people who run and gun. Instead, look at your minimap for the relative position of the squad leaders (who are numbered to your convenience). Try joining the squads who either behind or to the side of the front lines. They should not be on the front lines, since they die often.

3) Unlocks of the Squad Leader: It can be very hard to spot or confirm, but try to get into squads with leaders that have some of the SL unlocks. For example, if you see someone with a drone around their head, try joining their squad.

4) Custom Squad Names: This is a sometimes useful indicator of a good squadleader. It can either be a truly good, committed person, or some random clanperson who decided to make up a random name. Above all, you should look for squads named “Teamwork”, “Backdoor”, “Defense”, “[insert flag name here]”, or above all, “VOIP”. This leads me into my next tip:

5) VOIP Communication: Squads with VOIP capacities are usually very teamwork oriented. The minute you can confirm a squad having VOIP and actively using it, join it! These people are usually very good squad leaders/members.

6) Join a squad with some people: Don’t go for squads with 1 member, try the more populated squads first; More members = more support and teamwork.

7) Squadmember Kit diversity: This is a big thing, but can be tedious to find out. If you see a group of people sticking together that can do most anything, try joining their squad.

That takes care of most of it, please post if there are any more I missed!

[Iwantcable]

Dice needs to make it more obvious that you get DOUBLE points for following orders! I usually try to find a squad that uses orders, or make my own called "Field unlocks". One night I had every field unlock but one, and "Your connection to the server has been lost."

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

Dice needs to make it more obvious that you get DOUBLE points for following orders! I usually try to find a squad that uses orders, or make my own called "Field unlocks".

Like i didn't mention that in my guide... :rolleyes:

One night I had every field unlock but one, and "Your connection to the server has been lost."

That has happened to me 3 times already. It sucks :laugh:

[(Undecided)]

Thanks for the tips, they are pretty obvious but still shows that some people care.
I hate when I get into squads where I never get orders and end up charging into hostile fire to de-fib my squad leader.

Another tip: go for squads that have a leader who is support. They generally stay away from fights and instead focus on supporting (pun intended) their squad.

Oh, and please don't put SLSBs on the walls in Camp Gibraltar. Just don't. :cry:

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

Thanks for the tips, they are pretty obvious but still shows that some people care.
I hate when I get into squads where I never get orders and end up charging into hostile fire to de-fib my squad leader.

Another tip: go for squads that have a leader who is support. They generally stay away from fights and instead focus on supporting (pun intended) their squad.

Oh, and please don't put SLSBs on the walls in Camp Gibraltar. Just don't. :cry:

Actually, I tend to favor squad leaders that are Recon, because they really tend to stay away. Support is the best squad leader class, however, a lot of people are dumb and decide to charge into battle and "insta-prone" like in the BF2 days.

Also, if you put Squad beacons next to the buildings on fall of berlin, you can get on top of them.

[(Undecided)]

I actually find recon newbs to be the most run n' gun oriented players in this game. I have yet to see a recon squad leader stay out of the action (even the snipers).

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

I actually find recon newbs to be the most run n' gun oriented players in this game. I have yet to see a recon squad leader stay out of the action (even the snipers).

Huh, really? Most of the ones I come across like "ghost" the sides of the battlefield or camp back, giving you a reliable spawnpoint. Either I'm lucky or you're just unlucky :laugh:

[(Undecided)]

If you're wondering about my luck, I have a death streak of 16. ;)

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

7 for me i Think.

Kill streak = 26 ^_^

[rex_blade]

Hey, it's equally as hard for us squad leaders.

Either A) nobody joins my squad (even though when I've got a fully loaded squad we are almost always 1st/2nd squad)

or B) I get newbs and numbskulls. Last night someone joined my squad and then VOIPed "Hey, that guy just turned invisible. This game is cool." WHich wouldn't have been so bad, except he sounded like Butthead. I really hate it when they don't follow orders, either.

I always use the beacon and give orders, as well as concentrate on important targets: ie taking points behind enemy lines or retaking points behind ours. So if you ever want to join a great squad, join mine! My 2142 handle is DrWangopolis.

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

Hey, it's equally as hard for us squad leaders.

Either A) nobody joins my squad (even though when I've got a fully loaded squad we are almost always 1st/2nd squad)

or B) I get newbs and numbskulls. Last night someone joined my squad and then VOIPed "Hey, that guy just turned invisible. This game is cool." WHich wouldn't have been so bad, except he sounded like Butthead. I really hate it when they don't follow orders, either.

I always use the beacon and give orders, as well as concentrate on important targets: ie taking points behind enemy lines or retaking points behind ours. So if you ever want to join a great squad, join mine! My 2142 handle is DrWangopolis.

Yea, one of the things I notice in games is that a few squads have 5-6 people, while the rest have like 1-2 members. It's frustrating, because people only join squads with a greater number of people.

BTW, Add me to your friends list, I always could use a good squad leader. Name's AnimeSmiley

I'll send you a request later.

[insidiousx]

I've been lurking on the forums for a couple days now and this thread finally got me to register and post.

I feel rex_blade / Dr. Wang's pain with squad members. Do you know how many times i see people join up on my squad from the other side of the map? Not to mention that odds are high he/she will remain over there for the duration of the round. It sucks because a full squad is a happy squad, and spamming invites through the management console usually yields 1 decent player out of 4. I know the players are out there however, and i make liberal use of the kick from squad option.

Its hard when squad leaders actually try and fill the role, while members are generally flaky on their involvement with the team. The issue is further complicated by a general lack of communication by the public at large. How often do you see players without VoIP chatting in the squad channel?

The infantry combat modifications made in the jump to 2142 have focused on rewarding squad based play, yet a majority of people just don't get it yet. I think Dan's Localization files do a good job of highlighting the rewards, but i can't imagine it gaining a massive user base in the scheme of things.

Good tip on the squad naming scheme, as i generally just pick up an alpha or bravo, will see if any changes yield better results.

[dotswarlock]

A note: instead of joining each squad in turn to determine if the squad leader has any squad unlock you can just open up each squad. If the squad leader has an appropriate unlock then it will show up next to his name (and show which one as well). That's usually a solid indication of one having invested time in squad leading (since he used up unlocks). This is especially true if you see a *bot* unlock (which requires 2 or 3 unlocks used up).

The part about whether a squad leader rushes in or not is really, really dependant upon how the game works out and what unlocks he is using. For example on a tank map you will see me rushing foward with a tank while leading a squad but that's because I know how to use it, I will not die easily and I have the enhanced repair kit to help other tanks. On an infantry map you will also see me rushing foward as a Recon but there's a good reason: I'm moving around in light armor, cloaked and going to put a squad becon behind enemy lines so we can attack where they can't expect it. Once the beacon is online players can no longer spawn on me until it is removed or destroyed so I'm just like every member of my squad: expendable.

[NathanX]

Add me to your buddylist. I'm NathanX. I squad lead as you describe. VOIP and orders.

[Mr_Mondo]

i can never find any one that uses voip

[kein]

Thanks again for a great information source, I really hope other squad leaders read this. Also its funny you mentioned Defence squad because I thought I was the only one who named my squad this ;)

I consider myself to be a good squad leader, I always issue orders, I put spawn beacons down as needed. Unfortunately I get stuck with a lot of brain dead squaddies most of the time, communication is key. Squaddies need to learn to stick near the squad leader, and follow orders - everyone wins. To repeat what Viet-cong said again, NEVER stay in a squad that does'nt give orders, leave that squad because it is utterly useless.

Also you forgot to mention, you can see what equipment each squad has, just look at the squads, it will show an icon next to their squad number, also check what weapon each member has for better effectiveness.

A few tips to squad leaders.
The best players tend to join the firstly created squads at the start of the game, keep this in mind.

Recruit members yourself if you want a whole squad, invite anyone who is not currently in a squad.

Use your beacons, they can be a point whoring toy. Issue orders to attack a flag/missle silo. Hide beacon nearby. If there is a strong defensive force, you can rack points just spawning and attacking constantly with teamwork. Usually people are too dumb to look for your beacon to destroy it, infact most of the time mine get destroyed by stray explosive fire.

[colt1911carry]

Do you get any points for someone spawning on your beacon? Do you get the kill if your drone kills an enemy?

[kein]

Do you get any points for someone spawning on your beacon? Do you get the kill if your drone kills an enemy?

You get 1 point for every 10 spawns on your beacon. However, I mainly left that tip as a quick way to spawn and get squad attack points, once you die you are right back at the attack point.

The drone, im not sure, havent tried it yet.

[colt1911carry]

You get 1 point for every 10 spawns on your beacon. However, I mainly left that tip as a quick way to spawn and get squad attack points, once you die you are right back at the attack point.

This is interesting. Just an additional way to make points. I know when I have a squad leader that knows his business, I spawn on his beacon like crazy.

So, after 10 you get a point, plus your Basic Squad Leader badge which is worth 20 career points. Then, after 300 global Squad Leader Succes Points and 20 spawns off of your beacon, you get the Silver Squad Leader badge worth 500 career points. Finally, after 600 Squad Leaders Success Points and 30 spawns off your beacon you get the Gold badge for 1000 career points. Seems like an easy way to rack up some points.

[kein]

This is interesting. Just an additional way to make points. I know when I have a squad leader that knows his business, I spawn on his beacon like crazy.

So, after 10 you get a point, plus your Basic Squad Leader badge which is worth 20 career points. Then, after 300 global Squad Leader Succes Points and 20 spawns off of your beacon, you get the Silver Squad Leader badge worth 500 career points. Finally, after 600 Squad Leaders Success Points and 30 spawns off your beacon you get the Gold badge for 1000 career points. Seems like an easy way to rack up some points.

I never really looked at the squad leader badges :) I just like being a squad leader because im good at it, I'm tired of seeing so many bad ones. Its equally rewarding to be part of a good squad, theres badges for that as well.

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

I never really looked at the squad leader badges :) I just like being a squad leader because im good at it, I'm tired of seeing so many bad ones. Its equally rewarding to be part of a good squad, theres badges for that as well.

...unfortuately, for us grunts, we get a ribbon, not a badge :(

[grifterec]

Guess it is time i threw in my two cents. This game is SOO designed around teamwork it is like night and day between a good squad/commander and a bad one. Nothing frustrates me more then requesting orders and having it say there is no commander available. I am also quite tired of crappy squad leaders that either don't give you order and or change your orders contantly giving you no time to actually complete something. This is why i started doing it myself and have found it quite rewarding. But seriously more-so then squad leaders it would be nice to see some improvement in commanders. Half of them are flying around trying to get kills, or just went commander for the bonus. They give mass orders that make no sense so you are forced to either follow the crappy orders or disobey and do your own thing.

Has anyone found a great central server with good ping good map rotation and skilled players? I am in washington but my buddies are in new york so we play central.

[Rexob]

I like being a Squad Leader if ppl joining are going to work as a squad, lots of ppl join squads thinking it means free points and upgrades...what they don't realize is...that requires teamwork.

That can be really annoying, but the worst imo is being a Commander when no one asks for anything or does anything to coordinate their attacks. Then I do the best I can to drop UAVs and Supplies around them...and Bombard at will...really hard too since I don't think most players read text...and I'm big on typing out where I'm dropping stuff or about to bombard prior to doing it. Then, they're all trying to mutiny...and the best part is half the time no one fills the Commander spot...but they all whine. At least if you have one you can drop stuff.

[hirschce]

i'll be a grunt as i have unlocked weapons not squad leader bonuses. anyone wants to add me my name is (funnily enough) hirschce.

if someone who has read this topic is squad leader, name it: total

ty going on bye

[(Undecided)]

I have been on a squad-leading spree and am enjoying it greatly. Unlocking the SLSB is really useful, and allows you to use the Otus with field upgrades! I use the squad name "OMG HAX!" and have been the #1 squad on my team every time. :D

However I do wish that people would be more teamwork orriented, I am tired of lecturing my squad on the importance of being another class besides recon. :rolleyes:

[HighDef8Bit]

Of late my favorite class has been Support (I started Recon, got my Lambert and APM, then got the Engineer EMP Mine and AE Defuser, now I just unlocked the Force Shield and EMP Grenade for Support). Why you might ask? Because it works great in squads that work together. I can lay down some suppressing fire so my squaddies can advance, setup a defensive position or an ambush spot on a flag or silo, and defend the squad beacon, plus resupply all my teammates.

Probably the most fun I've had so far is playing with a squad leader who uses VOIP; I like to use VOIP myself, and it makes coordination so much easier.

[Frosin]

I have been on a squad-leading spree and am enjoying it greatly. Unlocking the SLSB is really useful, and allows you to use the Otus with field upgrades! I use the squad name "OMG HAX!" and have been the #1 squad on my team every time. :D

However I do wish that people would be more teamwork orriented, I am tired of lecturing my squad on the importance of being another class besides recon. :rolleyes:

Lucky my squad havent been recon heavy lately :D

Most of my recent squad seem to know how much benefit it is to join a squad and follow order, having a great time atm ;p

[TooL-46and2]

Im a sniper squad leader and i think its one of the best classes to lead a squad with because u can point out all the enemys from a long range so ur squadren knows where everyone is and u can cover them from on top of hills and buildings, also i find it easier to keep my spawn becon safe with recon because u can kill anyone that sees the pods raining down before they even no what hit them

[TooL-46and2]

and ur right frosin it sucks when everyone is recon in ur squad because first most of them dont no what a head shot is and second nobodys assualting the positon u told them to because there to busy missing there targets, thankfully this has only happened a few times and we usally get the job done right when i have a few assualt kits to order around

[TooL-46and2]

it would be nice to be in a good squad once in a while so if u want u can add me to ur freinds list im Tool46and2 im not a bad sniper i pick up at least 2 to 3 infiltrator pins a match and i lead a hell of a squad lol

[hirschce]

it would be nice to be in a good squad once in a while so if u want u can add me to ur freinds list im Tool46and2 im not a bad sniper i pick up at least 2 to 3 infiltrator pins a match and i lead a hell of a squad lol

im partial to titan maps? think u would lead a squad in there? (BTW if any squad leader orders me to attack silos once our titan shields are down i will regretfully decline and go mow down the guys coming in through vents with a machine gun)

[Frosin]

Attacking silo isnt a bad idea when they have 90% of their team in their titan and blocking every single ent when shield is down....

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

Attacking silo isnt a bad idea when they have 90% of their team in their titan and blocking every single ent when shield is down....

As of late, I've found it impossible to launch a good raid with a good squad, unless you are damn good with VOIP.

Only once, during a clan scrimmage, 8v8 on Sidi, did our squad ever murder a perfectly orchestrated defence, by using a smoke grenade, having an engi charge in and diffuse the RDX in the smoke, and having a support guy suppress fire on the column.

Still, squad hopping is fun at silos :rolleyes:

[(Undecided)]

Yes it is a pity, titan attack used to be the most fun part of the game, but now it is only an exercise in frustration.

[afi86ed]

well if you made it this far i read this post because i wanted to start a thread stating the exact same thing Cong has said here,
i am a bf2 vet currently chief petty officer and vary from 40-45th in the world for knife kill's. wanted to shoot for top 10 but man it gets old :)
check my stats and add me as buddy "afi86ed" no quota's tho
im all about all that has been said here and soon will make a thread linked to this for names so we can all keep tabs on one another..(unless its allready here or someone wants to do it first)

[Buttoneer]

*Bumpasaurus*

I have a question about the squad beacon. I have an unlock available and I tend to play as engineer (thanks Viet!) which is not ideal for squad leading, but since all other squad leaders are appalling, I thought I couldn't possibly do a much worse job.

So my unlock options are:

Defuser (to make my way up to the AVR!
SAAW (don't think I will)
Grenades
Spawn beacon

So I'm sorely tempted to go for the spawn beacon to improve my ability as squad leader generally but I have no idea how this works yet.

If I drop a beacon, I understand that anyone who is set to spawn on me, will instead spawn on the beacon. If a team member is set to spawn elsewhere, will that player still spawn elsewhere or will the squad beacon pull his spawn point across?

Also, if you get a field upgrade to an Otus, I assume you lose the spawn beacon.

Good thread - I think it will help me in the game - any more advice anyone can add would I'm sure be helpful.

[amashinga]

"Has anyone found a great central server with good ping good map rotation and skilled players? I am in washington but my buddies are in new york so we play central."

Go to the clan [FTF] server, and try to get onside with one of the clan squads, although you will get kicked for clan members

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

*Bumpasaurus*

I have a question about the squad beacon. I have an unlock available and I tend to play as engineer (thanks Viet!) which is not ideal for squad leading, but since all other squad leaders are appalling, I thought I couldn't possibly do a much worse job.

So my unlock options are:

Defuser (to make my way up to the AVR!
SAAW (don't think I will)
Grenades
Spawn beacon

So I'm sorely tempted to go for the spawn beacon to improve my ability as squad leader generally but I have no idea how this works yet.

If I drop a beacon, I understand that anyone who is set to spawn on me, will instead spawn on the beacon. If a team member is set to spawn elsewhere, will that player still spawn elsewhere or will the squad beacon pull his spawn point across?

Also, if you get a field upgrade to an Otus, I assume you lose the spawn beacon.

Good thread - I think it will help me in the game - any more advice anyone can add would I'm sure be helpful.

Thanks for the comments, and I too use Engineer a lot for squad leading (in addition to recon, whatever purpose arises)

First: I would highly advise getting the Pilum first. By unlocking the pilum, you get the PDS-1, which helps your squad track and eliminate veichle threats. Also, invest a point into the EMP mines, as they serve as road-blocks. Motion mines are not that necessary unless you are a very dedicated engineer. Grenades are helpful, and if you have a spare unlock, get them. The Squad Beacon is a low priority unlock, because you can get it through field upgrades. The Otus and Acceptier turn you into giant "hit me" signs.

Spawn Beacon explanation: Without the spawn beacon, your squad members obviously spawn on you. However, with the spawn beacon, when selecting the green dot that represents a squad spawn, you do not spawn on your squad leader, but rather, launch down in an assault pod on the BEACON. Your team can select any other spawn, however, they cannot spawn directly on you; they can only spawn on the beacon or the flags. They can spawn on you again when the beacon is picked up or destroyed.
If you field upgrade to the otis, you can equip it as a squad leader item, however, you cannot carry both at once. A good idea is to just place the spawn beacon down so you don't have to worry about it and then equip the otis.

[LECHIP]

Otus its useful in certain situations imo, unfortunately, can't say same for accipiter.

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

Otus its useful in certain situations imo, unfortunately, can't say same for accipiter.

I find it better to ignore the 2nd/3rd SL unlocks alltogether (unless you are playing titan!). The Acceptier is bugged to hell, and the Otus only matters on close quarters (aka, titan).

[Buttoneer]

Viet-Cong;150922']Motion mines are not that necessary unless you are a very dedicated engineer. Grenades are helpful, and if you have a spare unlock, get them.

You surprise me. Whenever I equip mines, they end up being my biggest killer. It's easy to wipe out three guys in a jeep (happens frequently on pub servers -har har!) and boost your stats with those. I honestly would say that they make for the best defense aid in the game.

I take your point about the grenades and will probably go with them in the circumstances. That will at least give me a stamina field upgrade.

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

You surprise me. Whenever I equip mines, they end up being my biggest killer. It's easy to wipe out three guys in a jeep (happens frequently on pub servers -har har!) and boost your stats with those. I honestly would say that they make for the best defense aid in the game.

I take your point about the grenades and will probably go with them in the circumstances. That will at least give me a stamina field upgrade.

I say this under the circumstance of priority in his given situation. He won't need motion mines, and can function well as a squad leader without them. They are a relatively low priority unlock, unless you are dedicated. Also, the pilum has a much higher priority.

[(Undecided)]

Viet-Cong;152013']I find it better to ignore the 2nd/3rd SL unlocks all together (unless you are playing titan!). The Acceptier is bugged to hell, and the Otus only matters on close quarters (aka, titan).

While the Accipiter is an over-sized flying bulls-eye, I find the Otus VERY useful. Otus is useful at medium range as well as short, if there is an area with buildings or any sort of cover you will have an advantage. If there is too much distance between control points, you should bring the beacon and then respawn with the Otus. That little guy has saved my behind MANY times.
Why? Because Otus spots targets with almost the range of a UAV marks them on the mini-map AND with a red diamond. Combined with rifle-rockets he is a snipers worst nightmare. ;)

My verdict:
SLSB: Needed if you EVER play as squad leader
Otus: Needed if you play as squad leader often. (1/4 or more of your play time)

I also find motion mines to be an essential unlock, they are great for locking down unoccupied armor in your un-cap. They can also prevent enemy vehicles from rushing through to take your rear spawn points.

[Buttoneer]

Does the accipiter not do the identifying as well as the shooting though, or can it not multitask?

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

The dang thing doesn't shoot. You can stand right next to one and it won't plug you with lead.

[looqas]

You can also spot a good/decent squad leader if they try to make you join more than twice. Especially if you have been playing in the server for more than couple of rounds and you happen to be in the top echelon in points (you have decent teamwork points and you can kill more than die). They will try to lure you away from your current squad by any means. This means that they are looking for more points by utilizing your skills, which in turn must mean that they give orders to do so. This happens to me quite often.

But the best way is of course asking orders and make your own conclusions on based on that or if the leader updates his orders regularly. He still might be an average player but at least he is trying.

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

I dunno about that. Half of the people that invite you twice just invite every person on the server to their squad multiple times.

[(Undecided)]

I consider myself a good squad leader and I only invite once. They said no, so I won't annoy them about it.

[Buttoneer]

But the best way is of course asking orders and make your own conclusions on based on that or if the leader updates his orders regularly. He still might be an average player but at least he is trying.

Funny but I get teamies who keep asking me for orders, when the order says 'defend here'.

Duh!

It's like the doom deathmatch kids don;t want to stand still for more than a few moments.

Good example last night. Silo 4 on sidi power plant, commander had moved Titan into centre of battlefield, shields down, someone at the silo 4 AA gun was wiping out the titan guns and doing damage to the hull. My team and I take silo 4. Another takes 2. Everyone is happy. Except the team. they want to cross the river, so off they go. Silo 4 lost, aa gun again taking out and doing damage.

If we'd stopped and defended as ordered (I did, but didn't last long on my own) we'd have been a lot better off.

Commander was clearly an arse.

[Badboris_uk]

I always use voip; if someone actually chats back to me, i will create a new squad with them, and we will chat about what to do and where to go, and I will issue orders accordingly so we can get the most points.

It has happened 3 times in about 15 hours of play, and each of those times we have stuck together for multiple rounds and got huge amounts of points through teamwork.

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

Funny but I get teamies who keep asking me for orders, when the order says 'defend here'.

Duh!

It's like the doom deathmatch kids don;t want to stand still for more than a few moments.

Good example last night. Silo 4 on sidi power plant, commander had moved Titan into centre of battlefield, shields down, someone at the silo 4 AA gun was wiping out the titan guns and doing damage to the hull. My team and I take silo 4. Another takes 2. Everyone is happy. Except the team. they want to cross the river, so off they go. Silo 4 lost, aa gun again taking out and doing damage.

Squad members request orders until they get an order that they like. Heck, sometimes I do it too, however, only if a back flag is in the hands of an enemy and our squad leader is mindlessly blockading the front lines.

If we'd stopped and defended as ordered (I did, but didn't last long on my own) we'd have been a lot better off.

Commander was clearly an arse.

Yea, but sadly, frags>team for most people.

[looqas]

Viet-Cong;157144']I dunno about that. Half of the people that invite you twice just invite every person on the server to their squad multiple times.

Yep. But that's where comes the multiple rounds thing in play for you to decide. But normally it takes pretty low player chance server with 32 to notice these. On 64 it's just not feasible to try keep tabs on these kind of things. Many times it's much more quicker just with trial and error to find a good squad.

[[WHS]Viet-Cong]

Yep. But that's where comes the multiple rounds thing in play for you to decide. But normally it takes pretty low player chance server with 32 to notice these. On 64 it's just not feasible to try keep tabs on these kind of things. Many times it's much more quicker just with trial and error to find a good squad.

That's a good point. Normally, I would have no respect for someone trying to pull me out of a squad, but judging by your comments, I may carefully consider them more...