Idiots are still punishing for TKs, please decrease the penalty.

[Variatas]

Since the value of kills has been halved from BF2, why isn't the TK penalty halved? There's a lot of idiots out there who spasm punish the instant they get tk'd. My example: I was killing enemy APC's so they couldn't attack our titan, so I shot one with the titan guns. The rounds connect, and about 5 seconds later a teammate drives up in a jeep, hops in the flaming soon-to-be-wreck, and punishes for the TK, AFTER I apologize. Can we please make the the tk and the punish both only -1? Or at least, make one or the other only -1. -4 points is huge, no matter what game you play. Personally, I don't even approve of the TK punish system, gameplay detractors like most admin mods use in CS are WAY better in my opinion.

[DiggerDagger]

the tks in 2142 are -3, and i think thats fair but i would like to see it bumped down to maby only -2

[wolfbastion]

i havent actually ever been tkd on purpose in this game i dont recal it being a problem in bf2 either. maby the punish system deters people but maby it doesnt. seems like its more of a problem than anything. and besides tks are only really a problem in games like cs where you have to wait untill the next round to respawn. i think they should deal away witht he whole system. also any idea might be a stupid question i know server admins have the ability to turn off ff can they leave ff on but turn off punishes? if not than it should be an option.

[LahLahSr]

THe problem is that the punish is on points only. Although way too many players play for individual points, the smacktards who TK on purpose probably care very little about the points. So a point-punish has very little effect.

Ideally they should have a 60 second timeout or even 120 secs - if nothing else it allows their favorite "victim" to get out of the way before they do it again.

The biggest problem with that approach is that accidental TKs are punished for no good reason whatsoever, which renders the above solution moot - just makes it easier for smacktards to annoy decent players.

There is no system in existence that the smacktards can't use to annoy other people - the only way is to have several good admins in-game at any time. And that is nearly impossible to find.

I've been knifed in the back while sitting in a defgun, I've been rammed with smaller, weaker vehicles so that I get the teamkill - there is no end to the perfidity of the smacktards in this game. However, all in all I see less of it than in BF2 - although I can't venture any reason for why that is.

[barz26]

I've left servers in 2142 because of TK punishing!! BF2 was NO WHERE NEAR as bad as this!!!

Example: was driving a dune buggy, team mate running in the middle of no where so stop and pick him up, drive to the silo, he decideds to jump out just before i get there anyway he dies , must have had low health? and punishes me!!!!

Does anyone else think that a lot of the new 2142 players are not BF2 players?? i.e never played BF2 before and just bought 2142 cos it had spaceships in it??;) hence the excessive punishes....just a thought

[[MyIS]Steve]

if your getting alot of -tk points, you should be a little more careful with your fire ;)

[fknlo]

what the hell are some of you smoking? people didn't punish as much in bf2? people punished for the exact same stupid crap in bf2 as they do in 2142. go to a bf2 forum and you'll find the exact same worthless posts about stupid punishes.

[barz26]

what the hell are some of you smoking? people didn't punish as much in bf2? people punished for the exact same stupid crap in bf2 as they do in 2142. go to a bf2 forum and you'll find the exact same worthless posts about stupid punishes.

I know what you mean but the servers i play on BF2 you'll probably get punished 30% of the time but in 2142 at the moment it's 100%. Believe me if i did something daft or shot you then fair enough but not when they are leaping out of vehicles or running in front of you when you're driving, for example!!

I was on a server yesterday in 2142 and 2 people got kicked for excessive punishing....thats the way forward:)

[Raidyr]

TK punish is itself an awful idea. Every time you punish someone, your ruining your teams chances of winning. Im just glad its not like CS or DOD, where you instantly get slayed for a TK :rolleyes:

[Sir. kaheiyeh]

Who really cares about punishing anyway? You could always join another server if you get kicked. And contrary to the popular belief, no you do not lose extra points for being punished. The only difference is that it counts towards your total for getting kicked from the server.

[Revoluti0n]

TK punish is itself an awful idea. Every time you punish someone, your ruining your teams chances of winning. Im just glad its not like CS or DOD, where you instantly get slayed for a TK :rolleyes:

How do you figure that?

[Jim.Cognito]

BF2 was NO WHERE NEAR as bad as this!!!

Yer nuts. BF2 was insane with the punishing, especially when it first came out. Once people get all their unlocks and another big game comes out, the punishers will most likely move on.

Breaking news: Idiots are still complaining about being punished for TK's!!!!!

[ator]

i love it when people jump off a ledge behind me and land on my parachute when it opens. then they punish me for teamkilling them, best feature ever!

i honestly don't know whats worse. the fact that landing on a parachute can kill you (20ft fall) or the fact that someone had the nerve to punish me for their mistake... go EA/DICE!!

but it doesn't really matter, just get more points and move on. the game is full of punishers just like BF2, its a way of life...

[Got Your Back]

I still think that DICE should make it so that if the TK is forgiven, then there are NO points lost! And the Admins of the servers should kick those who punish for unintentional tks!

I will NEVER punish for an Unintentional TK & would hope that others do the same.

I know that if I get punished for something that wasn't my fault, I will use one of my other soldier accounts to ensure that the POS who is Auto punish happy, has a VERY VERY miserable time! :evil:

[CrysisPwnz]

Dice should secretly give you career pts (random ammount) for every forgive you do :)

[Got Your Back]

Dice should secretly give you career pts (random ammount) for every forgive you do :)

Could you imagine ALL the tks there would be? LMAO

[CrysisPwnz]

Random being 95% of the time 0, 5% of the time 1-1000 :)

[Donkey]

IndianScout;107315']if your getting alot of -tk points, you should be a little more careful with your fire ;)

Are you serious? The only way to avoid -tk points is to sit in the corner of the battlefield and do nothing.

Even if you watch your fire, you still run into smacktards that will get you -tk points...

Like an example from a few posts above you from LahLah:

...I've been rammed with smaller, weaker vehicles so that I get the teamkill - there is no end to the perfidity of the smacktards in this game....

This is just one of the many examples of things you can't avoid! No matter how hard you try you can't avoind running into smacktards that will get you -tk.

So you can't just say watch your fire and be more careful....

[fknlo]

the best still has to be frying someone with the engines on the gunship or transport and getting punished for it.

[Axxis]

Granted there are some TK nobs out there, but there are some game-design flaws not helping matters.
Team member names way too high overhead. Chase a bad guy around the corner and suddenly there's five more guys in your face, do you...
A. Stare skyward to determine their political affiliation.
B. Whip out your handy uniform identification chart and compare fabric swatches.
C. Cut loose a volley of hot lead whilst screaming "DIE MUTHAFLACKERS!!!".

Ingeniously placing a big RED "2" in front of the vet names. Seriously whose brilliant idea was this? They could have just put a "Shoot Here for TK" sign over all the vets heads.

There also seems to be a bug or two left in the game "gasp!"
I blasted the same guy.....twice.......and he was even in my squad. No name showing over his head, while other teammembers right next to him had them...go figure.

[古強者死神]

The no name thing sucks for sure, I hate that somtimes its shoot or die... and you shoot a teammate on accident. hell even had teammates shoot me first making me think they are the bad guy and shoot them and kill them.


My personal worst moment for TK that was not my fault:

Attacking an enemy silo with a gunship "sniping" with my rockets in hoover mode... suddenly BEHIND ME comes a friendly transport ship fully loaded runs right into me and blows me up... and wow 6 TK's every single person punished... I lost like nearly 30 points or so instantly for somthing that was not even close to my fault. I didnt even stay on that server long enough to see if i was going to get booted I hit esc and quit instantly because that was so BS.


The one that happens most often:
sombody wants the mech (i guess) and run the little karts into giving me multiple team vehcle damage penalties.. wich add up to more than a TK as you get them almost every seccond over and over untill he blows up and THEN you get the TK... last time sombody did this the car actully attached itself to my walkers foot and every step I took was -points I had to get out of my walker because of that. More than once people like to stand right under the walker when I am caping a silo too and when time comes for me to back up and leave when its capped I step on them and they punish like its my fault...

Those are my worst events so far.

[akburst510]

IDK my policy is that no sorry after 8-10 sec, punish

[DiabloCableGuy]

One of thewost times, titans sheild goes down so I run to set up defences, I set up a pair of claymores in the hall then announce on team and squad chat that the hallway has claymores in it. 30 seconds later, squadmate runs though, punishs. I set up againcouple of enemis killed before they got to my claymores BUT teamate runs though and boom.This happend 6 times! So I tossed a pair of apms in a crowd of freindles then left after the bang! :)

[古強者死神]

Most servers I play on have FF for mines off, so a team mate can not set them off... however an enemy can and if a team mate is near the blast... I have had that happen once... and of course got punished for it.

[Prof]

How about getting punished when my POD squished a squad member at a beacon spawn?

That's rich. Like I have any way to avoid THAT one.

[SuCCeSSoR]

I think the TK should not take points, it should take you gameplaytime.
Your spawntime should be doubled.
If you teamkill the first time you should wait the double spawntime when killed.
TK twice, wait for 4 spawntimes to get in the game again.
TK 3 times, it takes 8 spawntimes to get back on the battlefield.

Long story short, double the time after every TK.

No punish involved here.

[Drevor]

This game is full of people who jump after the nade that you just threw into the vent shaft, people who jump out of your transport Shepherd/Yastreb to early/late, people who start hugging your hover-tank, people who run straight into your firing LMG, people who sit on top of your rdx pack and smile, people who are simply retarded ... just breath ... remember your e-karma and make sure you dont hit PgDn too often ;)

[Yak6t9]

This game is full of people who jump after the nade that you just threw into the vent shaft, people who jump out of your transport Shepherd/Yastreb to early/late, people who start hugging your hover-tank, people who run straight into your firing LMG, people who sit on top of your rdx pack and smile, people who are simply retarded ... just breath ... remember your e-karma and make sure you dont hit PgDn too often ;)

yeah... for simplicity's sake... pop out ur PgDwn button from ur keyboard before loading up BF2142 ;)

[=AA=Dre]

IndianScout;107315']if your getting alot of -tk points, you should be a little more careful with your fire ;)

That's something you can control... when a teammate runs in front of your FAV and punish you for the mangled mess they become as a result, you're talking about a very different situation.

[Cicchetti]

I think the -3 is fair, but the punish system needs to go. If not that at least disable the kick for punkbuster for 3 punishes because all these noobs just walk into amps, and punish you guys know how it is

[dumbo]

IDK my policy is that no sorry after 8-10 sec, punish

I did that until I realized that dead people can't "sorry"?

Dice should secretly give you career pts (random amount) for every forgive you do

That might not be a bad idea - give e.g. 1 CP every time you forgive? (you still get the 'death', and the TK'er still takes a penalty - so it's not obviously exploitable?). Interesting idea anyhow.

[retrofly]

Hi
I really agree with this, I get punished so many times and ive never done a TK on purpose.

Infact once i was capping a flag with a jeep, somone in a gunship landed on me and blew up. I got tarred with the TK and they both punished giveing me -8, and also kicked me from the server.

Thanks for that you pai of c**ts whoever you are.

The punish system really is stupid, nearly everyone punishes for accidental TK. Some other nob punished me, cause he was stood too close to a tank i blew up with an other tank. WTF?

And the ammount of people that have run onto my nades then punished me is ludicus. Im a team player and alway heal/fix/help most players, but i get **** all in return just a bunch of minust points.

Cheers you fags whoever you are.

If you want team play and voice-op add me- LukeBCF

Luke

[vs._9mm]

I could care less if someone punishes me for their stupid move. I usually say sorry after an accidental TK, and especially if I'm on VOIP and a squad TK. However, the majority of the time my accidental TKs occur it's in the heat of battle, and what's the point. You're going to get automatically punished..so I go on about my business.

I get a couple of TKs on accident when I'm in the tank..sorry working on the aim...and I get punished. No sweat on me. So what if I kill 2 of my men while killing 5 other guys and defending a flag? I play to win and for the gameplay..not the stats.

[DiggerDagger]

Ideally they should have a 60 second timeout or even 120 secs - if nothing else it allows their favorite "victim" to get out of the way before they do it again.
.

Nice idea, unfortunatly ive seen people tk for kits, which just pisses me up the wall :mad:

[qREALp]

Nice idea, unfortunatly ive seen people tk for kits, which just pisses me up the wall :mad:

I've been TK'd for my kit, in BF2. Couldn't frickin believe it. You've heard of Road Rage? Yea, I had Internet Rage. :mad:

I've actually been forgiven more in BF2142 than punished. I love that they added the text telling the team who forgave and who punished.

[deanspeedway]

The whole punish issue is a tricky one.

On one hand you don't want people TKing just for the hell of it. The TK penalty and punish is a disincentive for that.

On the other, a lot of people just punish automatically. They die; get the red mist; see the punish option; "grr, I'll show them"; punish, then the other guy gets mad cos someone punished him.

THe whole system is designed to make people angry.

You get a message saying you've been punished but no message saying someone forgave you. If you were told you'd been forgiven you might be less likely to punish someone else the next time you had the chance.

The penalty for the Teamkiller is worse than for the guy who dies so why punish as well? Sure it's frustrating to be dead for 15 seconds but most of the time people don' t mean to kill their team-mates.

By punishing all the time you are not teaching people not to TK. You just make them mad. Then they punish the next person, and the cycle of madness continues.

I decided a while ago to always forgive, even if someone does something really boneheaded. It is so much better for your own inner calm.

[The_Eliminator]

you dont lose points if someone punishes you!!!!! have you not learnt this yet!

[ColonelPanic]

I want to see it gone. It just kills me to hit forgive when I know if it were the other way around I'd be punished. But I still do it more often than not.

[Flasheart88]

IDK my policy is that no sorry after 8-10 sec, punish

Problem with that is often your killer is also waiting to respawn, so by the time he has, and is then able to say sorry, you've already punished.

However, is it just me or is the maximum wait time to forgive/punish shorter than it was with BF2. I also usually wait for an apology (where it was a careless/deliberate TK, if purely accidental I forgive straight away) and I'm used to the time in BF2 you get to make a decision, but I'm frequently caught short in 2142 and forced to forgive.

[Jofaba]

Here's me causing my own TK. This kind of stuff happens to me all the time. If I've ever made any of you lose 3 points.... sorry!

http://www.jofaba.com/media/videos/teamkill.wmv

[Iliketofrolic666]

Well I just punish because it only affects whether you are kicked or not. It will only affect you if you tk a ton, except those RDX console tards which I hate.

[sumguyhavinfun]

They should make it so you can only punish from the 2nd TK onwards, that way all the accidental singular TK will go unpunished.

[Haemogod]

/rant



When killed by friendly explosives I cant understand why nearly every idiot punishes, in most cases with grenades its their fault, with claymors(APM Mine) it Cirtainly is their fault, so why do they punish, i had been wonding for a while where my TK's come from, well you know that little control panel in the silo, well i dump the claymor in there and get almost a garanteed kill, but sometimes a friendly idiot goes in there, and when an enemy sets it off while engaging him, i get a kill(not always) and a TK, and i get punished;How is it my fault if they were too stupid to go: "Look here's a claymor why didnt it go off*, it must be friendly, I'd better not hang about here incase an enemy sets it off".

If you cant be bothered to read that, dont stay near claymors that you cant set off.


*And for people who are genuine noobs, the curved side is the dangerous side:
***Safe)Dead***

[Svartberg]

ehhm, i'm pretty sure punish doesn't make you lose points, but it's just for a 4 punish = kick thing.
you lose the points regardless of anything as far as i know ...

[cyan]

/rant
*And for people who are genuine noobs, the curved side is the dangerous side:
***Safe)Dead***

both sides are curved.

and yes, you dont lose points for punishes. you get -1 for the team damage, and then -3 for the team kill. -4 total. besides, i'm kinda sick of posts about punishes anyway, because they are almost always by APM users who don't understand that APMs aren't offensive weapons. they are defensive weapons. they are designed to be used BEHIND you when you are sniping. why do you think they are only available to SNIPERS. If i see a red skull in the middle of a control point, i disregard it. i'm taking that CP, if someone sets it off and it kills me, the owner of the mine gets a punish because it's their fault.

[[RID]FRENZY]

I have edited our TK Punish script in a passive way to stop people auto punishing:

#
# ModManager Team kill punisher
#
mm_tk_punish.announcePunishments 1
mm_tk_punish.banMessageDelay 5
mm_tk_punish.bannedBy "ModManager Team Kill Punisher"
mm_tk_punish.banPeriod "Round"
mm_tk_punish.banReason "Team killing"
mm_tk_punish.forgiveMessage "TKPUNISH: %s is uber and forgives %s for a teamkill (%s has been a tit %d times and uber %d times)"
mm_tk_punish.punishMessage "TKPUNISH: %s is a tit and punishes %s for a teamkill (%s has been a tit %d times and uber %d times)"
mm_tk_punish.punishTime 20


It doesn't seem to be working very well at the moment though :|

[Sanman62]

LOL, love the script!

[fknlo]

If i see a red skull in the middle of a control point, i disregard it. i'm taking that CP, if someone sets it off and it kills me, the owner of the mine gets a punish because it's their fault.

DON'T STAND IN FRONT OF THE CLAYMORE!!!!!

is it that hard to comprehend?

[Corkum]

They aren't only available to snipers, they are available to RECON. Plus you are the idiot that set it off, so try and be more careful. Once it has been set, i shouldnt have to keep my eyes on it, i should be... sniping, or running around with a spec ops gun, not wondering if some idiot is going to get blown away by his own carelessness.

[mrserv0n]

Yeah luckily I do not care about points in a round to much because I get all my ranks through badges and now have 21000 pts because of it however if I did I would be upset because people are retarded I blow up every console and the core for these morons as they stand and watch my RDX explode in their face as they shoot the core with their machine gun lol. 7/10 rds I blow every computer and the core pretty much solo and get about 5-10 teamkills with punishes for doing so little do they know I just won the round for the ungrateful fools

[Capital88]

The CONVEX side is death, CONCAVE is safe.

"This side toward enemy"

"Gotta be a clue"

I punish so very rarely, but being punished does get you negative points, up to 3 i believe. So yeah, punish-before-thinking is stupid, or at least waiting for an apology, apologies are a must!

[cyan]

They aren't only available to snipers, they are available to RECON. Plus you are the idiot that set it off, so try and be more careful.

In 2142 they changed the kits around, the Recon kit is the sniper kit. so you can't run around as assault and use claymores. I'm almost positive you knew this. Reason being, claymores are designed for "reconnaissance," or sniping. And in most cases i'm not the "idiot" who set it off. if you place it at a crowded area and i run around a corner and it goes off ,it's your fault. read the freaking manual. (and since the included game manual is a joke, what i mean by manual is, read the strategy guide). It clearly states the purposes of claymores:

"The mine doesn't distinguish between friend and foe, so avoid placing it near control points. Instead, drop it near your blind spots when sniping to take out opponents eager to take your dog tags."

It doesn't get much simpler than that, use claymores for offense, and you'll get some TKs, especially if FF is on. prepare for some punishes and some lost points, because it's your responsibility who the claymore kills.

The CONVEX side is death, CONCAVE is safe.
but being punished does get you negative points, up to 3 i believe. a must!

No, it doesn't. again, i reference the guide, which contains a list of every action in the game that can net you points, or lose you points. Nowhere in the list is TK punish mentioned. Also, have you ever lost more than 4 points for a TK? No.

[jsr]

The thing about the punish system that the noobs never seem to figure out is, yeah you may get off on getting people kicked from a server by punishing them... but now you get to enjoy getting rolled by the other team because you just kicked 4 guys off your side and now the teams are stacked.

Accidents happen, and people who punish me because I hit them with a stray bullet in the middle of a fire fight get the cold shoulder treatment from that point on.

I won't heal them, revive them, or if I'm commanding, I refuse to offer them any help.

Sure they get pissed and try to kick/mutiny me, but I actually tell them why I'm doing it.

There have been countless times where I'm shooting someone and an idiot on my team jumps in my line of fire and gets killed.

Out of reflex, I go for the revive, but if they snap to the punish button, I leave them and tell them too bad you had to punish, you almost got revived.

Of course most are retards, but I've actually had a few chill out and start helping their team instead of being childish pricks.

[Haemogod]

both sides are curved.

and yes, you dont lose points for punishes. you get -1 for the team damage, and then -3 for the team kill. -4 total. besides, i'm kinda sick of posts about punishes anyway, because they are almost always by APM users who don't understand that APMs aren't offensive weapons. they are defensive weapons. they are designed to be used BEHIND you when you are sniping. why do you think they are only available to SNIPERS. If i see a red skull in the middle of a control point, i disregard it. i'm taking that CP,*** if someone sets it off and it kills me, the owner of the mine gets a punish because it's their fault.

Im not exactly sure how you worked that out after admiting that you deliberatly cause other people misery.

Last time i checked the lambert carbine wasnt for sniping.

Guide buyer

The guide is made by people who want money and their opinions heard, and by no means should be listened too.

On a side note, explosive gold tonight :)


***Sometimes i rig a silo with 5 rdx (1 on top) and then im busy sniping and the enemy turn up, i gladly tk 1 guy to kill 4-5, but tbh, that is my fault and its the only time that your perogative applies.

[cyan]

OK, i understand it may be a little dificult to comprehend, since we are all used to the 7 kits formula from BF2. but combining the kits does mean some things may not seem appropriate for each other. however, camo and sniping and RDX are all RECON items, designed for that purpose. so no, the lambert is not for sniping, and on the same token, APMs aren't intended for use by people using the lambert, and RDX isn't intended for people to cover their backs when sniping. yes, you can use them, but that's not why they are in the game, it's just a neat feature. Would i use them when playing recon? probably. But just like the "Assault" kit with a defibrillator, there are items in the recon kit that don't seem perfectly appropriate.

[cyan]

The guide is made by people who want money and their opinions heard, and by no means should be listened too.


just because the guide makers want money doesn't mean the guide belongs in the Fiction section of the bookstore. the information contained in it is still factual. And the guide is not a bad buy, considering all the award requirements are listed in the back, without having to exit a game while playing to see them, or even worse, having to run the game itself just to read them because there is not BF2142s.com

[Haemogod]

OK, i understand it may be a little dificult to comprehend, since we are all used to the 7 kits formula from BF2. but combining the kits does mean some things may not seem appropriate for each other. however, camo and sniping and RDX are all RECON items, designed for that purpose. so no, the lambert is not for sniping, and on the same token, APMs aren't intended for use by people using the lambert, and RDX isn't intended for people to cover their backs when sniping. yes, you can use them, but that's not why they are in the game, it's just a neat feature. Would i use them when playing recon? probably. But just like the "Assault" kit with a defibrillator, there are items in the recon kit that don't seem perfectly appropriate.

If this was true then EA would have programmed item incompatibilities.

just because the guide makers want money doesn't mean the guide belongs in the Fiction section of the bookstore. the information contained in it is still factual. And the guide is not a bad buy, considering all the award requirements are listed in the back, without having to exit a game while playing to see them, or even worse, having to run the game itself just to read them because there is not BF2142s.com

I may have phrased it wrong, i mean that you are quoting it a bit too fanatically.

[cyan]

I'm obviously not going to change an adamant Recon player's opinion of claymores, all i can say is what their intention is in the game. (it just happens to be the same as their intended purpose in real life, have you ever seen a claymore in the middle of a skirmish)? and no, mel gibson's sword in braveheart does not count. There's a reason claymores dont distinguish between friend and foe, and it's because they aren't supposed to have to do that...friendlies dont sneak up behind friendly snipers.

and more to the point, you get 5 RDX packs and 2 claymores. any idea why? it's because RDX is an offensive weapon. you only need 2 claymores to defend your backside when sniping. If the makers of the game intended for you to go around tossing them at chokepoints, you'd get 5 of those too, or perhaps even more, since RDX is more dangerous.

like i said i'm not going to change anyone's mind, they can just keep coming here to rant after sensible people punish them for continuing to put claymores in inappropriate places on the map.

[BubbaBubberson]

I'm with cyan on this. The only time I do NOT punish for getting killed by claymores is when I am dumb enough to get close to a sniper who is properly using them.

It really does not matter anyway, all this hystaria comes from the ppl who still think that being punished gives them more negative points. I usually only punish when someone is intentially being an ***.

[goldennova]

The thing about the punish system that the noobs never seem to figure out is, yeah you may get off on getting people kicked from a server by punishing them... but now you get to enjoy getting rolled by the other team because you just kicked 4 guys off your side and now the teams are stacked.

Accidents happen, and people who punish me because I hit them with a stray bullet in the middle of a fire fight get the cold shoulder treatment from that point on.

I won't heal them, revive them, or if I'm commanding, I refuse to offer them any help.

Sure they get pissed and try to kick/mutiny me, but I actually tell them why I'm doing it.

There have been countless times where I'm shooting someone and an idiot on my team jumps in my line of fire and gets killed.

Out of reflex, I go for the revive, but if they snap to the punish button, I leave them and tell them too bad you had to punish, you almost got revived.

Of course most are retards, but I've actually had a few chill out and start helping their team instead of being childish pricks.

That reminds me of Saw. You can get back to life, if you play by the rules. The thought of watching you run up to them, then they punish and you walk away. Something Jigsaw would do...

But anyway, thats not a good thing to do. If you revive them you may still have a chance to get back at least one point...

That is also the reason that I try to play ff on servers. I use battlewalkers alot, and I can't always control my shots. My teammate may run in front of my barrage of bullets, and I get puniched? I was watching where I was shooting. Its his own fault.

[Vreki]

7/10 rds I blow every computer and the core pretty much solo and get about 5-10 teamkills with punishes for doing so little do they know I just won the round for the ungrateful fools

So you singlehandedly cleared the Titan of defenders AND blew the consoles and core?
Thats impressive......

[barz26]

I'm obviously not going to change an adamant Recon player's opinion of claymores, all i can say is what their intention is in the game. (it just happens to be the same as their intended purpose in real life, have you ever seen a claymore in the middle of a skirmish)? and no, mel gibson's sword in braveheart does not count. There's a reason claymores dont distinguish between friend and foe, and it's because they aren't supposed to have to do that...friendlies dont sneak up behind friendly snipers.

and more to the point, you get 5 RDX packs and 2 claymores. any idea why? it's because RDX is an offensive weapon. you only need 2 claymores to defend your backside when sniping. If the makers of the game intended for you to go around tossing them at chokepoints, you'd get 5 of those too, or perhaps even more, since RDX is more dangerous.

like i said i'm not going to change anyone's mind, they can just keep coming here to rant after sensible people punish them for continuing to put claymores in inappropriate places on the map.

The ultimate purpose of the game Cyan is to help your team win. Punishing is there if someone goes on a rampage not because you can't see the red warning symbol, that's not helping your team is it! There's a lot of people out there who have DEFINITELY seen the claymore and then walk in front of it and, they must have there finger pemanently on page down, and punish you. If that player is aware the FF is on and they keep doing it then fair enough, punish. Not for a one off....people are too easy to punish, and even though it doesnt have an effect on your score it doesnt help team work, which IS the aim of the game!

[=AA=Dre]

Here's me causing my own TK. This kind of stuff happens to me all the time. If I've ever made any of you lose 3 points.... sorry!

http://www.jofaba.com/media/videos/teamkill.wmv

lol I may have run you over once. I recognize the screen name. And if I did run you over... and you cost me 3 points... I got over it :)

[Haemogod]

I'm obviously not going to change an adamant Recon player's opinion of claymores,

Well if you mean me, i have 3x more hours with assault.

[biff77]

I hate when people punish because you're shooting at a console/reactor and they walk in front of you causing you to tk or they get hit by the transport or run over because they run out in front of you. I HATE THOSE MORONS WHO PUNISH AFTER YOU APOLOGIZE 3+ TIMES after accidental tk. They STINK.

[lashed]

battlefield 2142 I would have imagined that the technology would determine friend from FOE... my god, the helmets in the game can determine them, why not the clays?

[Snuffy The Evil]

I only punish if it was blatantly on purpose. I'm very forgiving.

I do hate people who instinctively punish, though... Even after I say 'Sorry'.

[Jofaba]

That was one of those moments where I actually jumped in my chair. It was totally unexpected heh.

[cyan]

Well if you mean me, i have 3x more hours with assault.

no, i was referring to no one in particular. I've just noticed that recon players and support players in particular are more defensive about their methods. probably because claymores and the 'arguably' overpowered support kit are topics of heated debate. I personally think all of the kits are fairly balanced except engineer, which i find about half as useful as all the others.

[evilzucchini]

First,

YOU DO NOT LOSE POINTS FOR BEING PUNISHED!!!

I repeat:

YOU DO NOT LOST POINTS FOR BEING PUNISHED!!!!!!!!

Punishing is only to make it easy to remove those people from the server who TK on purpose and thus end up doing it alot.

The fact of the matter is that if you have been kicked a lot because of accidental TKs than there is something wrong with your gameplay. I have played almost 400 hours of BF (2 and 2142 combined) and I have only been kicked for TKs ONCE and that was before the patch that did away with punishes for arty kills for the commander. Some idiots drove a full jeep into my arty, got killed and all of them punished me and I got kicked.

One time, that's it. In nearly 400 hours, just once.

And if you TK someone, you deserve to lose points because you are hurting your team.

The system works great in my experience.

[Haemogod]

I was on a server today where i put claymors down, and a guy spawned on my while was sniping, i watching him walk away and the claymor went off, wtf?

[DrM]

you dont lose points if someone punishes you!!!!! have you not learnt this yet!

I cant belive I read though 4.5 pages of people complaining about penalties that DONT EXIST!

The_Eliminator is the first person in this thread that seems to have any idea of this games points system.

TK + forgive = -3 points
TK + punish = -3 points

The ONLY effect the punish has is when you get kicked from a server.
On most servers you get kicked for your 4th or 5th TK punish.

[Kapukluk]

Yeah, tell me about it. I used always run into this guy in BF2 that would tk spam all the jets by standing right in front of them. I called him a *#$ and I got banned.

[Chuck_Norris]

To all the people saying punish doesn't do anything; If the punish system doesn't do anything then why is it there?

Owned.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

I still think that DICE should make it so that if the TK is forgiven, then there are NO points lost! And the Admins of the servers should kick those who punish for unintentional tks!

I will NEVER punish for an Unintentional TK & would hope that others do the same.

I know that if I get punished for something that wasn't my fault, I will use one of my other soldier accounts to ensure that the POS who is Auto punish happy, has a VERY VERY miserable time! :evil:

I agree with everything you said except I don't have any extra accounts to bug people with, although......

Anyway, I wish 2142CC would include an option to kick people who punish constantly and instantly. Say 3 punishes and you're gone for a round...something along those lines. In BF2 it tracked punishes and forgives so I don't see why it couldn't be done, but I know those guys are swamped over there since EA/DICE give them almost no information or support.

[evilzucchini]

I agree with everything you said except I don't have any extra accounts to bug people with, although......

Anyway, I wish 2142CC would include an option to kick people who punish constantly and instantly. Say 3 punishes and you're gone for a round...something along those lines. In BF2 it tracked punishes and forgives so I don't see why it couldn't be done, but I know those guys are swamped over there since EA/DICE give them almost no information or support.

VT Nerd,

How many times have you been kicked from a game because you have been punished for accidental TKs?

[exXxtremeBoy]

I was in the titan with c4s on the core, our titan was about to blow up i have been waiting for ppl to move from the core for like 4 min i was spaming move away finely i did what i had to do because if i didnt then we would of lost befor they even hit the ground they punish me...

[daveslash]

Why dont you guys just play on servers that don't have TK punish enabled if you hate it so much?

[Keir]

Why dont you guys just play on servers that don't have TK punish enabled if you hate it so much?

what he said, plus. try not to :D

[Sidonuke]

i only play on TK off servers. plain and simple.

[evilzucchini]

Really, people just overreact to it and it is quite simple.

If you are getting kicked a lot because of accidental TKs, then you are accidentally TKing a lot and probably deserve to be kicked.

If you aren't getting kicked for accidental TKs, then the system is working as intended and you are getting worked up over ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

[BubbaBubberson]

Really, people just overreact to it and it is quite simple.

If you are getting kicked a lot because of accidental TKs, then you are accidentally TKing a lot and probably deserve to be kicked.

If you aren't getting kicked for accidental TKs, then the system is working as intended and you are getting worked up over ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Amen and Amen, Enough said!!! :locked:

[SuCCeSSoR]

i only play on TK off servers. plain and simple.

There should be a filter in the gamebrowser for it.
:)

[Axxis]

I did that until I realized that dead people can't "sorry"?


Sure they can... hit "K" (default team chat) and type S_R_Y and hit "enter"

Works every time.

[yermucker]

i think its maybe a case of new battlefield players on 2142. they aint grasped the whole idea yet. it is a bit much lately i agree. something needs sorted with it.

[Legli]

Its not anything to do with points that annoys me, but the fact that they punish you for an accident. In BF2 I got about 39 team kills over 130 hours and have got 2 team kills in 10 hours of BF2142. All accidental, and not making me kickable as they are so far apart BUT when punished it puts a dampener on the entire experiance - sure if I did it on purpose then I would have no complaints but when its a true accident it just puts me in a bad mood.

I always forgive, as I have never been purposely team-killed as far as I know.

[Haemogod]

How about making so if you tk you loose no points, but leave the punish system as it is, because it seems more of you are annoyed about your points than the "why" you were unnecessarily punished. Because frankly its true, if i tk, i care more about the lost points than the punish/forgive status.

[evilzucchini]

BUT when punished it puts a dampener on the entire experiance
What experience? The experience of accidentally TKing someone? Or the BF2142 experience?

If it is the latter, this is my point. You are getting worked up over ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

IMO, you are exactly like the guy who TK punished you. He got worked up because he was accidentally TKed and hit punish. I really have a hard time believing that most of the other players are punishing you because they want to piss you off. . .they do so because they are pissed off; they are getting worked up over nothing . . . and, in turn, considering you have never been kicked, you get worked up over nothing.

Just ignore it, that is the best course of action.

Really, I wish I could just turn off the message for whether or not I got punished. I really just don't care. It is useless clutter on my screen (although, I have used it to kick people from my squad).

[evilzucchini]

How about making so if you tk you loose no points, but leave the punish system as it is, because it seems more of you are annoyed about your points than the "why" you were unnecessarily punished. Because frankly its true, if i tk, i care more about the lost points than the punish/forgive status.
If you TK someone, accidentally or not (and even when it is their fault) you deserve to lose points. You get points for killing the enemy even if it is accidental and when it was their fault, so it makes sense to lose points for TKs.

[starhawker]

Its amazing the stupidity of some of the players out there. Many times I have been on the attack, on a streak, rocking and killing, only to die by the hands of my fellow country mates.

Example, I'm defending a station in a rail gun, hitting tank after tank, while my squad is killing the nme ground troops. We are racking up the points, while defending the the station.

In flies some airhead in an attack chopper, and blows my squad to hell, TKing us all, while missing the nme! Our spawn point gets destroyed, the flag gets captured, and out comes a 'Sorry'! I can tell you, we all punished that idiot.

Happens all the time!

D

[DiamondBack^]

How about changing the TK system so you only lose points if punished. It would make little difference overall as most people insta-punish but would make it so that if you did accidentally TK someone and they accept the accidental factor, and forgive, then you don't lose points. Along with a SLIGHT reduction in the punishment (-2 points instead of -3) it would make the system much better IMHO.

[Raidyr]

Seriously. I hate it when I get into a transport (pilot OR passenger) and some idiot jumps out just before the pilot lands, or worse THREE people. The poor pilot/me instantly has a -8 score, and that doesnt take into account punishes.

Ever since I have owned this game, I TK maybe once every 2 hours and have been forgiven TWICE.

[old sch00l]

it's strange it's bf2142 :laugh:

seriously though, noobs grow out of it hopefully :D

I crash now and again deserving them :p

[Bommando]

Wow. People still have no idea how the punish system works.

See the link in my sig.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

.....If you are getting kicked a lot because of accidental TKs, then you are accidentally TKing a lot and probably deserve to be kicked. .......

No arguement from me there.

If you aren't getting kicked for accidental TKs, then the system is working as intended and you are getting worked up over ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

I have to disagree. When your own teammates punish you for their own stupidity such as running in front of a hurtling FAV or APC or under the feet of a walker, they should not punish the TK. It creates bad blood in the server and whenever I see some n00b punish just because they can, with no justification, they are immediately kicked. If they come back and do it again then they can have a nice 24 hour ban to think about their actions. Common decency FTW!

[davidhye]

i never tk somebody if i just was in the place where threw grenade, or he ran over me if i was on the way.
but i get mad, when they just run over u when u just standing and not appoligizing
if in these situation they don't say sorry (i m waiting til last second) i tk them
but it's still unfair, cuz i almost always forgive,and all other freaks always punish me

[davidhye]

Wow. People still have no idea how the punish system works.

See the link in my sig.
oh wow.... well but still they don't forgive, lol

[Haemogod]

Wow. People still have no idea how the punish system works.

See the link in my sig.

I thought this thread already established the correct way it worked :S

I believe i learnt it here, one question guys, in BF2 where you got 2 points for a kill, wasnt TK -4? making tking more punishing* in 2142?



*bad word choice :D

[The_Eliminator]

NOTE: you dont lose points if you are punished. The point you lose are from team damage and then the team kill.

[rebel444]

if your getting alot of -tk points, you should be a little more careful with your fire ;)

Now that is a brillant statement!

[insaneopath]

well i agree i think the punish thing needs to be taken out , to many people abuse it

[Vikaman]

You do not get negative points for being punished!

Its -1 or team damage
and another -2 (or -3 i fogot) for TEAM KILL

the punish system is there to count ure bad behaviour, so the server can auto kick or auto ban you.

(i didnt read the whole thread)

[Deesies]

Should be replaced with forgive where if you forgive, no points are taken off and if you don't you only get say -1 or -2 points.

[Haemogod]

I think the answers are on page 3 :P

[viper1431]

the punish system is there to count ure bad behaviour, so the server can auto kick or auto ban you.
)

Or more often to count other people's bad behaviour but to then kick you for it.

[Sugarbear(SID)]

I'm sick of people who accidently shoot me, then whine when I punish, If I'm engaging an enemy and you kill me going for him, I don't care if you didn't intend to kill me, that's YOUR fault. If you shoot the titan guns at an APC attacking our base and kill me, I don't care if you had the best intentions you killed me, YOUR fault.

If you spam APMs and I walk around a blind corner and get killed by your APM, that's your fault.

If you fire a tank round at an enemy tank, and miss, and kill me, YOUR fault.

If we both come around opposite sides of a corner, and you think I'm the enemy and kill me, your fault.

What it comes down to is everyone should be MUCH more careful, watch your fire, make sure that if you're engaging an enemy you can hit only the enemy and not the friendly, APMs are not a tool to be used for just laying around so someone can wander into it, they are there for the sole reason of providing you cover while you (snipe, knife, recon etc.)

I don't always punish, there are genuine mistakes, and I feel bad for the people who lose points even though I forgive for a real mistake, but I punish at least 80% of the time, because it's warranted, if enough people do the same, maybe you fire at anything morons will learn to tone it down.

[Vikaman]

Or more often to count other people's bad behaviour but to then kick you for it.

Yeah that too ;)

[comfortably_numb]

I think the best idea is make it -1 or -2 for a TK and 0 if the guy forgives. THE VAST majority of tks are not even the users fault, such as the ones transport pilots have to endure, so why have such a hurting system?

[evilzucchini]

The system works fine, everyone stop whining.

[Got Your Back]

The system works fine, everyone stop whining.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/HrdazCment/tkers1.png

It only works if it IS TURNED ON!! :eek:

I agree with the fact that if you are forgiven, then you should lose no points.

But just imagine how many times you would want to shoot (or do) the POS that didn't forgive you for an accident! LOL

[Mek^bvser]

I think the TK should not take points, it should take you gameplaytime.
Your spawntime should be doubled.
If you teamkill the first time you should wait the double spawntime when killed.
TK twice, wait for 4 spawntimes to get in the game again.
TK 3 times, it takes 8 spawntimes to get back on the battlefield.

Long story short, double the time after every TK.

No punish involved here.
thats a great idea.

[FM_Echo_One]

'Idiots still TKing. Please decrease the number of idiots playing BF2142... well... BF in general.' :laugh: :rolleyes:

[nutcrackr]

Should be -2 for teamkill, -3 if they punish.

[DigitalSPG]

Can some please ask Dice to make a statement or make it one of the tips that a TK punish does not effect your score. That way these countless punish whinge threads might stop. Or at least they can be locked and refered to the statement.

[The Cow Goes Moo]

Oh Shut Up Already Im Sick Of These!!!

[GatorShawn]

Get on a server with a buddy. TK him. Look at your score. Then when he punishes you, look at your score again. Holy ****! It didn't change!

End of debate.

[WetPatch]

I'm sick of people who accidently shoot me, then whine when I punish, If I'm engaging an enemy and you kill me going for him, I don't care if you didn't intend to kill me, that's YOUR fault. If you shoot the titan guns at an APC attacking our base and kill me, I don't care if you had the best intentions you killed me, YOUR fault.

If you spam APMs and I walk around a blind corner and get killed by your APM, that's your fault.

If you fire a tank round at an enemy tank, and miss, and kill me, YOUR fault.

If we both come around opposite sides of a corner, and you think I'm the enemy and kill me, your fault.

What it comes down to is everyone should be MUCH more careful, watch your fire, make sure that if you're engaging an enemy you can hit only the enemy and not the friendly, APMs are not a tool to be used for just laying around so someone can wander into it, they are there for the sole reason of providing you cover while you (snipe, knife, recon etc.)

I don't always punish, there are genuine mistakes, and I feel bad for the people who lose points even though I forgive for a real mistake, but I punish at least 80% of the time, because it's warranted, if enough people do the same, maybe you fire at anything morons will learn to tone it down.

Ur the type of player il tk on purpouse

[darwinsGate]

Ur the type of player il tk on purpouse

Me, too, but only if I'm bored. What a little pissant.

[RevRen|Sloth]

Just play in servers with ff=off abd punish=off. Probnlem solved

[Badboris_uk]

If you teamkill me and you are not in my squad I'll punish you. If you are, and we are working together I will forgive you, even if its stray fire/grenade. Only fair that way, eh?

[(Undecided)]

Can I just have points back when they forgive?

[CyBeRpUnK_CRO]

Before I start play BF2 I play COD and on some server if you shoot your teammate your health going down not his and if you shoot him in the head you will die not him. For me that is the best option for BF2142. DICE where are you!!!

[Random Hero666]

Punnishing only hurts your team. I usually forgive.

[directx10]

yea i agree with the COD method, make team damage reflect to you, or at least split between you and the other guy

i will admit though, that if im having a bad day and then some one TK's me i'll usually punish, espicially if its some smacktard RDXing in the core room,while im trying to shoot the other team and stop them from taking it back, but usually if someone shoots a clip into me while im running through the console hallways the wrong way, i'll forgive them because i came at them weird, or if i get naded by some one nade spamming, sometimes i do punish for that though, espicially if im lagging and getting frustrated

[<3 aroastchicken]

If there was an opposite to stat padders, that guy with -122 would be the champion.

[DigitalSPG]

From now on I am going to punish everyone who has no idea how the punish system works. Which from reading this thread will be a lot of people.

[davidhye]

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b182/HrdazCment/tkers1.png

It only works if it IS TURNED ON!! :eek:

I agree with the fact that if you are forgiven, then you should lose no points.

But just imagine how many times you would want to shoot (or do) the POS that didn't forgive you for an accident! LOL

How the hell he got -122 points? Bug?

[Irresistable]

Everyone get ready for some more auto-punishes, the game is being opened today and tomorrow worldwide by noobs alike as we speak :laugh:

[Sugarbear(SID)]

here's the thing, everyone seems to thin that punishing is ONLY for purposeful TK's, it's not.

If you're goofing around in a desert when you're in the army, firing bullets all over the place, and you kill a friendly, do you expect to not be punished?

Look at all the court marshals for friendly fire we have in the military, those people clearly did not mean to kill friendlies, but it doesn't matter, your stupidity results in the death of a teamate.

What everyone needs to realize is that the punish system is for ALL teamkills, it should be auto punish unless you tell it not to. How ignorant of you people to think that you should be able to get away with killing someone just because that wasn't your specific intention. Just learn to pay more attention and stop whining when you lose points because you were firing your rifle from the shortbus.

[Irresistable]

here's the thing, everyone seems to thin that punishing is ONLY for purposeful TK's, it's not.

If you're goofing around in a desert when you're in the army, firing bullets all over the place, and you kill a friendly, do you expect to not be punished?

Look at all the court marshals for friendly fire we have in the military, those people clearly did not mean to kill friendlies, but it doesn't matter, your stupidity results in the death of a teamate.

What everyone needs to realize is that the punish system is for ALL teamkills, it should be auto punish unless you tell it not to. How ignorant of you people to think that you should be able to get away with killing someone just because that wasn't your specific intention. Just learn to pay more attention and stop whining when you lose points because you were firing your rifle from the shortbus.


You clearly don't play the game.

There are teamkills caused by the vehicles, where either no one is at fault or the doofus killed is at fault, based on what he was doing. These don't warrant a point loss nor a punish.

[TWRAM]

You clearly don't play the game.

There are teamkills caused by the vehicles, where either no one is at fault or the doofus killed is at fault, based on what he was doing. These don't warrant a point loss nor a punish.

Yeah, trying flying the air transport around for a while and you will change your opinion Sugarbear. I don't even fly them anymore because I know eventually some noob will jump out before landing and give me teamkills.

[Sugarbear(SID)]

I'd like to see a teamkill where no one is at fault. The one exception is the transports, but that's poor programming and the work around, surprise surprise, don't be an idiot and stay out of the cockpit.

I didn't say I ALWAYS punish, there are times when I accidently run into an area where a friendly has just thrown a grenade, this causes my death, however it was my own foolishness that caused my death,he gets forgiven. Look back at what I said, I didn't say that all teamkills should get punished, I said I'm sick of people laying APMs wherever they want, or chucking grenades wherever they want, or just randomly firing their gun, then getting all upset when I punish because they were being an idiot.

I say if you don't agree with me, then you clearly don't play the game.