Killing a Mech Tip...

[discobiscuits]

Just a little quick tip on how to finish mechs off fast.

The way I use is to strap all 5 of the RDX explosives (Recon) onto the Bandit, and start driving toward the mech. Once I'm about to hit the mech, I jump out of the Bandit, and detonate.

Works every time :) Unless, of course, the mech commander is smart and kills me before I reach him.

[microphage]

or, you can sneak up behind it and unload3 clips of Voss rounds into the vent under it's rear and kill it. They never know who's hitting em cause they assume it's someone far away lol

[Thurisaz]

Just a little quick tip on how to finish mechs off fast.

The way I use is to strap all 5 of the RDX explosives (Recon) onto the Bandit, and start driving toward the mech. Once I'm about to hit the mech, I jump out of the Bandit, and detonate.

Works every time :) Unless, of course, the mech commander is smart and kills me before I reach him.

the term for that is jihad jeeping and there's a good chance it will get you kicked so not a very good tip, also wrong thread try tips&tricks next time

[discobiscuits]

the term for that is jihad jeeping and there's a good chance it will get you kicked so not a very good tip, also wrong thread try tips&tricks next time


awww you serious? why would you get kicked for that... it's so fun ;)

[Thurisaz]

it annoys ppl, like ramming enemies with transports. suicide runs require little skill

last week I was owning another mech driver, killed him 3 times with barely a scratch, after that he rammed me with a transport

[Bommando]

awww you serious? why would you get kicked for that... it's so fun ;)

I have another word for it: lame.

Suicide tactics are one of the most frustrating smacktard habits I encounter. People can't be bothered to develop the skill to take out enemy armour by exploiting its weak points or flanking it, so they strap up a buggy with explosives and kill themselves. No skill, plenty lame.

I don't have much trouble just using the AT rockets / rifle to take them down. The fixed emplacements are also extremely effective if they don't notice you too soon.

[古強者死神]

I just run under it and toss some c4 on its vent and boom. works best since most of the time you wont have a bandit around and you as a person are less noticable and less noisy than a car.

but a engineer has it the easiest, 1 rocket and its over to the vent. or tag it from far away and play it safe.


not once has being under it with a gun worked for me, not even a support gun they just start to move and they they step on you or see you and kill you.

[relic2279]

I have another word for it: lame.

Suicide tactics are one of the most frustrating smacktard habits I encounter.


I believe he suggested jumping out, then detonating. If he was trying to suicide, then he wouldn't bother jumping out.
Raming an aircraft into a target is a different matter however.

The jeep method isn't lame but it may be annoying. Then, so is it also annoying when I die, when I get sniped, when I run out of ammo, when I spawn in a copter that is .4 seconds from crashing with no occupants, when I try a stealthy SBD fart and accidently make noise. Annoying tactics shouldn't be grounds for kicking someone. If you can't handle the heat, move to Alaska.


The jihad jeep method, in my opinion, should be a very valid method of destruction. It's a tactic that US Forces in Iraq have used, and has been documented on more then one occasion.

~R

[Seppuku]

The jeep method is lame and it is the dizzying, vertiginous, barf-inducing height of annoyance.


fixed.

[Bommando]

The jihad jeep method, in my opinion, should be a very valid method of destruction. It's a tactic that US Forces in Iraq have used, and has been documented on more then one occasion.

Please provide me with a source for this. I find it rather hard to belive that the US Armed Forces employ suicide tactics. Wilfully destroying expensive property as a booby trap is also questionable. If ever used, I would remark that it's rare, or you'd soon run out of Humvees and the taxpayers would get a little irate. Relating this to real life is not a direction you want to take.

Even to suicide, you have to jump out. You can't detonate from within the buggy. Most people don't bother getting away from the blast. They get enough of a kick out of being a smacktard that surviving is secondary.

Short of moving to Alaska, I'll just make do with disallowing these tactics on the servers I admin, so the players who despise them can find some refuge.

[Buttoneer]

I believe he suggested jumping out, then detonating. If he was trying to suicide, then he wouldn't bother jumping out.
Raming an aircraft into a target is a different matter however.

The jeep method isn't lame but it may be annoying. Then, so is it also annoying when I die, when I get sniped, when I run out of ammo, when I spawn in a copter that is .4 seconds from crashing with no occupants, when I try a stealthy SBD fart and accidently make noise. Annoying tactics shouldn't be grounds for kicking someone. If you can't handle the heat, move to Alaska.


The jihad jeep method, in my opinion, should be a very valid method of destruction. It's a tactic that US Forces in Iraq have used, and has been documented on more then one occasion.

~R

Completely agree. The argument that it 'lacks skill' or is 'lame' or for 'smacktards' (whatever they are) is a bit weak, expecially when there are more important things to get your knickers in a twist about. What actually is wrong with it? I would like someone to put forward a valid reason, not just 'because it annoys me'.

In fact, I'd say that getting the car on target, getting out, and detonating it without killing yourself is pretty skillful in many ways.

[[RID]FRENZY]

I had a guy suiciding everyone on our server last night in the transport, I warned and he stopped.......good boy.

I have also had someone suicide me in the transport before after I nailed him several times when he got into a mech :p

The funny ones are when they try to suicide you in a attack chopper (thingy) and just bounce off and die :D

[Comassion]

I'd believe that the 'Jihad Jeep' method has been used against US forces.

We don't resort to such tactics. We've spent at lot of time and effort building expensive machines that are meant to collide with and destroy targets. We call them missiles.

[BandoIruka]

Before you get offtopic, why don't someone suggest otherways of destroying a mech?

I find that they move too fast to hit them in their weak places, and a good mech pilot won't stand around for you to get beneathe them to shoot a rocket up its pipe.

Rumor suggest that hitting the knees can do more damage than hitting the leg normally, a stumble can be observed if struck right. Problem is, the definition of "knees" on a mech is somewhat obscure since its a chickenwalker.

But otherwise it seems they have to stop moving for you to get a chance at hitting the damned thing where it hurts. Or you can use the guided missile and deal with them having a missile warning to announce your hostile intention towards them.

[Bommando]

Before you get offtopic, why don't someone suggest otherways of destroying a mech?

I find that they move too fast to hit them in their weak places, and a good mech pilot won't stand around for you to get beneathe them to shoot a rocket up its pipe.

Rumor suggest that hitting the knees can do more damage than hitting the leg normally, a stumble can be observed if struck right. Problem is, the definition of "knees" on a mech is somewhat obscure since its a chickenwalker.

But otherwise it seems they have to stop moving for you to get a chance at hitting the damned thing where it hurts. Or you can use the guided missile and deal with them having a missile warning to announce your hostile intention towards them.

EMP grenades / mines. Pilum AVR and fixed AV emplacements. Don't go to them, make them come to you. The most important chokepoints always have fixed AV emplacements and good motion mine placement is also a winner.

Of course, all of this requires teamwork. Something quite foreign to the average suicide jeeper.

[starhawker]

Sorry, couldn't help but comment on the jihad jeep method. First, although I have been a died many a time of someone doing this, I think it is a valid. It does not exploit a bug in the game, the designers did not prevent this from happening, and in war, all is fair.

If I'm a squad leader, and a walker keeps killing my squad, I'll order my troopers to destroy that walker, with any means possible.

For many, its about the points, but for me, its about the winning the game.

To top it off, I really get annoyed with players who whine about it.

Star

[HighDef8Bit]

All's fair in love and war, so long as it isn't an exploit. If you can't handle jihaders then maybe you should play a game more suitable to not needing to think about threats, like Checkers.

[XFClohvn]

I see nothing wrong with using the jihad jeep method, and certainly don't agree with servers banning for its use. It's also hardly fair to call it a suicide tactic, since with about 2 minutes of practice you can consistently use the jeep as a missile without killing yourself. Think of it as a delivery system :)

[hirschce]

considering the mech walker beats everything (i think) in a 1 on 1 situation, getting in fast and surviving would be an excellent show of teamwork, as u have a) put your time aside to go recon, get rdx, get the jeep and destroy said walker. whereas walker pilot prob thought, hey theres a walker, lets go get some easy points. (which they are for granted...)

not saying i approve or disaprove of jihad jeep cus i just take mech out with a couple of shots to knees with the fixed emplacement guns whilst it is busy killing infantry.

[relic2279]

Please provide me with a source for this. I find it rather hard to belive that the US Armed Forces employ suicide tactics. Wilfully destroying expensive property as a booby trap is also questionable.

Little box on Yahoo, use it to search. (To be more specific, the BBC news) I don't wanna do all the work for you.
Anyhow, as I said in my previous post, if you are not in the vehicle as it explodes, it is not a suicide tactic. If you do not die, when it explodes, it is not a suicide. That is why it is hard for you to believe, because you are not comprehending what I am saying.

What I've read, was not as simple as some soldier jumping out a moving jeep with C4 attached.
When the war first started, on more then one occasion, they used remote controlled autombiles with explosives attached to clear big road-blocks setup by Saddams troops, and for other similar situations.

If you want to see real news on the war in Iraq and the world, read news not orginating from the US. I will have to say, after traveling abroad, the US is very sheltered when it comes to media coverage.

[relic2279]

I'd believe that the 'Jihad Jeep' method has been used against US forces.

We don't resort to such tactics. We've spent at lot of time and effort building expensive machines that are meant to collide with and destroy targets. We call them missiles.

See my above post. BBC news.

[mac|Fodder]

mmmm, it's a valid tactic as should not have the negative cachet of solo-kamikazee-air-transport-whores, as the person performing it is trying to survive not 'suicide'. i don't see this as being massively spammable either given the vehicle availabilities.

there's a piece of capital on the battlefield (said 'jeep') and it's a legitimate tactic to use it in this way, and effective too i'd imagine from the post. he's not just suggesting dumbfiring the jeeps into the walkers, there's measured thought in using it as a delivery vector for the rdx. (be recon, load it up, know there's a walker threat..etc).

plus, unlike other vehicles available, the jeeps have less overall tactical useage. to do this in APC's or other tanks etc that carry both multiple squaddies, and have defined uses (podding, armour support) WOULD be wasteful. suicide runs in these detract from the team and overall spirit. _jeeps, fast, 2 person max, blowup real easy... _not_ taking away from your team an uber valuable piece of hardware.

just another way of getting the job done with the actual tools available but not in an unfair way (let's not get onto baseraping and knowing where a defined spawnpoint is by knowing the systems etc...)

[AlphaNut]

in reply to OP: perfectly fine if you manage to kill the other guy without killing yourself in the process.
If you blow yourself up while doing so don't be upset if you get kicked.

Road side traps are just fine. but of course you will always have some people complaining when you kill them - they just don't like to die and try to find a culprit.

On the other hand, I don't see the problem if someone wants to sacrifice himself for his team.
He will get a minus score for every suicide, and his team will be very thankful that the armor whore is gone.

It is funny the first ones who usually complain about jihadjeeps are the 24/7 armorwhores who sit around silos/flags and are specialized in killing soft targets who just spawned in that area...

[Unnamed Assailant]

Little box on Yahoo, use it to search. (To be more specific, the BBC news) I don't wanna do all the work for you.
Anyhow, as I said in my previous post, if you are not in the vehicle as it explodes, it is not a suicide tactic. If you do not die, when it explodes, it is not a suicide. That is why it is hard for you to believe, because you are not comprehending what I am saying.

What I've read, was not as simple as some soldier jumping out a moving jeep with C4 attached.
When the war first started, on more then one occasion, they used remote controlled autombiles with explosives attached to clear big road-blocks setup by Saddams troops, and for other similar situations.

If you want to see real news on the war in Iraq and the world, read news not orginating from the US. I will have to say, after traveling abroad, the US is very sheltered when it comes to media coverage.


Little remote-controlled EOD robots are NOT the same as HMMWVs loaded with C4. They are MUUUUCCCCHHH more expensive. ;) I have seen the bomb disposal bots in action and have never seen one intentionally detonate itself to dispose of an IED. Usually they emplace explosives and move away so they can be detonated.

SSG Jimtool

[CharminXtra]

Everyone can agree that jihad jeepers are a pain in the ***. But it's a perfectly valid way of killing a mech but very sad that they suck so much at the many other ways of doing it that they have to stoop down to such a level to get the job done. Bottom line is that the suckiest players result to this method and I wouldn't want them in my server either.

[CharminXtra]

Everyone can agree that jihad jeepers are a pain in the ***. But it's a perfectly valid way of killing a mech but very sad that they suck so much at the many other ways of doing it that they have to stoop down to such a level to get the job done. Bottom line is that the suckiest players result to this method and I wouldn't want them in my server either.

[Diamond621]

I use the non-suicide version of this tactic when pressed, and have not heard a thing from any server administrator provided I do not blow myself up in the process.

C7 is not even necessary if the armor in question is in the open field. Accelerating a FAV to full speed, applying full boost and bailing out shortly before impacting the armor means that the FAV driver survives, while his vehicle slams into the armor at top speed and detonates both vehicles.

While I do see the merit in the view that this is cheap, I think it requires a moderate degree of skill to do this without being killed (either with or without C7). For those people who play classes not designed to combat vehicles directly (Assault), an unconventional tactic like this works perfectly when you cannot get to a rail turret.

[DarQraven]

I use the perfected method of doing this sometimes when I feel like doing dramatic and cinematic things:p
As we all know, the buggies now have boost. And that boost allows us to launch the buggies over small hills, up into the air ... right into a walker.
Add RDX to the equation, and you get my point. That way the pilot will never have any idea where it came from, plus it looks VERY stylish:p

About jihad jeeping being a legit tactic: Yes, I think it is.
What in the name of the mighty carrot were you doing piloting a walker, and NOT NOTICING a buggy rushing your way. And what was your team doing, not spotting it? AFAIK, the active defense works against c7, so I don't see any problem there...
Maybe you could even have destroyed it before it reached you, who knows?

[mac|Fodder]

now if only you could go bullet-time slo-mo like f.e.a.r. after leaping out.

nice cinematic cut of your rdx'd jeep getting impacted up the arse of a reisig...and the driver yelling in slo-mo drawl...

oooohhhhh....shhhhhiiiiiiiitttttttt!!!!
*enter explosion and tumbling ragdolls on fire here*

[dotswarlock]

Usually if the mech is aware of me I drop a few motion mines around a corner and then draw his attention with a rocket. When he comes over the mines will go into action and finish him off. Alternatively I will blow up his supply crate if he has one nearby.

As for the whole suicide thing I have no issues with players trying to kill me with either a jeep or a transport but I really think it's silly when the pilot/driver goes down with it. It looks even worse when he fails to kill me and just crashes in a building. I remember at one time I had a transport try to ram me while I was on foot. He was piloting well and would have killed me too but a single rocket ended his flight and he crashed at my feet. It was kind of funny to watch :p.

[Veovis_111]

Everyone can agree that jihad jeepers are a pain in the ***. But it's a perfectly valid way of killing a mech but very sad that they suck so much at the many other ways of doing it that they have to stoop down to such a level to get the job done. Bottom line is that the suckiest players result to this method and I wouldn't want them in my server either.

It's valid, but people who do it suck? Choosing the easiest way to do something means you suck? By that logic, the guy IN the mech sucks too, since it would be harder for him to kill you if he wasn't in it. For that matter, everyone sucks, if they're not running around backwards, with their eyes closed, no unlocks, no armor, and pistol dueling. Using things which make your task easier does not equate to lack of skill.

[Bommando]

It's valid, but people who do it suck? Choosing the easiest way to do something means you suck? By that logic, the guy IN the mech sucks too, since it would be harder for him to kill you if he wasn't in it. For that matter, everyone sucks, if they're not running around backwards, with their eyes closed, no unlocks, no armor, and pistol dueling. Using things which make your task easier does not equate to lack of skill.

Hacking makes the game easier, so by that logic, I am perfectly justified in hacking.

People just have different notions of what is 'noble' and what is not. Some people think it's perfectly OK to hack. I don't. I also don't think it's cool for a team to camp the opponent's uncap and steal vehicles from there, but you'd probably beg to differ.

You use extreme examples to make it look like people are calling for cripple fights. This is not the case. Some people just like some element of realism and prefer not to employ what they consider 'gamey' tactics. Despite not being 'real', there are tactics which make more sense when applied to the real world and others which don't. One of the reasons I find bunny hopping irritating. Don't get me wrong, I'll shoot someone down just as easily if they hop, it just kind of kills the immersion for me. Suicide tactics and using vehicles as booby-trapped explosive missiles is not commonplace in the professional armies of the world today and I'd assume the same for the future.

Please don't cite Kamikaze Japanese or terrorists as examples. Those are the exception rather than the norm.

It's all a matter of opinion and some people prefer to play without using every exploit available to the game engine to get ahead.

[Veovis_111]

I honestly admired the jeep full of explosives idea because I hadn't thought of it on my own. Seems creative if you ask me. I like that these games allow us so much creativity.

You'll never achieve total realism in a game, especially one where you can fly hundreds of feet in a pod, which explodes upon impact with the ground, as you walk away unharmed. On the topic of pods and suicide tactics... pod kills are obviously an intentional part of the game, and yet a lot of time when I pod into an enemy transport close to the ground, I will die as I take it out. Is this cheap because I sacrificed myself for my team?

[Bommando]

I honestly admired the jeep full of explosives idea because I hadn't thought of it on my own. Seems creative if you ask me. I like that these games allow us so much creativity.

You'll never achieve total realism in a game, especially one where you can fly hundreds of feet in a pod, which explodes upon impact with the ground, as you walk away unharmed. On the topic of pods and suicide tactics... pod kills are obviously an intentional part of the game, and yet a lot of time when I pod into an enemy transport close to the ground, I will die as I take it out. Is this cheap because I sacrificed myself for my team?

*YAWN* I thought I made it pretty clear that I was not aiming for total realism here. I'm not an idiot. I know this is a game and I sure as hell know that futuristic simulation leaves a lot to the imagination.

Suicide tactics are pretty cut and dry, so is using a vehicle as a missile. Ramming and jihad jeeps are lame in my opinion and in that of many others. You keep right on using them and admiring them, I'll stick to conventional means to take down armour. They have served me well so far.

[firescout555]

Just a little quick tip on how to finish mechs off fast.

The way I use is to strap all 5 of the RDX explosives (Recon) onto the Bandit, and start driving toward the mech. Once I'm about to hit the mech, I jump out of the Bandit, and detonate.

Works every time :) Unless, of course, the mech commander is smart and kills me before I reach him.

i actually have a question for that, does it worth 10 seconds of your respawn time for just 2 points of your kill??? since most probably the enemy is gonna kill you soon after you blew up the mech. don't flame me about sucide bombing since i know what you mean...

[Frosin]

If i'm in a kit that got extreme low chance of destorying say a mech thats owning the hell out of my team, and I find a transport siting beside me, you will be sure seeing me raming it into the mech face.

However its people who do it non stop for the entire round that irritate me.

[j5689]

or, you can sneak up behind it and unload3 clips of Voss rounds into the vent under it's rear and kill it. They never know who's hitting em cause they assume it's someone far away lol

Is that for the PAC or EU walker?

[mac|Fodder]

If i'm in a kit that got extreme low chance of destorying say a mech thats owning the hell out of my team, and I find a transport siting beside me, you will be sure seeing me raming it into the mech face.

However its people who do it non stop for the entire round that irritate me.
mmmhmm...sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. that's fully legit!

[onehitah]

Is that for the PAC or EU walker?

Pick a winner.

And Veovic_111, you know, you won't die if you just scim the enemy transport with your pod. You die when you land in the bulk of it, by being caught up in the explosion.

[firescout555]

Is that for the PAC or EU walker?

EU walker got a bigger a*****e(read: the vents underneath) than the PAC so its pretty much your choice on whose a** you want to shot up at...:D

[omgbanana]

If you're fighting one on one with Walkers and the opponent has to resort to a suicide run to kill you, that's pretty lame.

However, I have run my fair share of suicide runs. In BF2, if a player was dominating the air, through air, the ground, and so the entire map, I would just ram a jet into him. If no one can play because of the air power in that game, why should I sit around and say, "No, I won't get him out of the air that way. That would be lame."

If the last silo/control point is being dominated by 2 tanks and a walker, I'm going to take one of them out, no matter what.

[DarQraven]

I'll stick to conventional means to take down armour. They have served me well so far.

That just means you're missing out on a few kills, and probably letting the enemy team capture and kill some more before their mech gets taken out.
Like I said earlier, suicide bombing can be blocked, just like any other AT attack outside of EMP missiles. You see a jeep rushing your way, you activate AD, and watch the jeep ram itself into tiny pieces, while you do some more of that funky mech-sliding-move-thingy we see all too often.
No problem there, IMO.

However, I'm surprised by how sure everyone is about how "most people don't like suicide tactics".
...says who?
As far as I can tell now, it's the guys that are against it that are speaking up loudest right now.

Summarising pro-jihadjeeping posts comes down to: Yeah I sometimes use it, it's a good way to take out mechs, and it's pretty hard not to get yourself killed while doing it.

Summarising anti-jihadjeeping posts comes down to: Damn, all people that use car bombs are lame, noskillers, and can't kill people the normal way. You're stupid. Now excuse me while I go play with people that DO appreciate the delicate ways of gaming. BTW, most people think you're lame too.

In short: Is this the majority speaking, or just the people with the biggest ego's speaking?

ps. Give me one VALID argument why car bombing should be banned outside of personal preference and ethics, or it 'ruining the immersion' for you(personal too). Like, say, from a neutral point of view?

[Bommando]

ps. Give me one VALID argument why car bombing should be banned outside of personal preference and ethics, or it 'ruining the immersion' for you(personal too). Like, say, from a neutral point of view?

There is no other argument. Every rule is based on the personal preference of a person or group of people, including stat padding, hacking and cheating to mention a few extremes. There are just different tolerance levels for different tactics.

As long as a rule is OK by the ROE, then server owners will implement certain styles of play to facilitate the enjoyment of the people who frequent the server.

The people who frequent and pay for the Tactical Gamer servers happen to prefer to play a certain way. Our rules and guidelines are within the bounds of the ROE and our admins work hard to maintain this level of play. If you don't agree with the way these people expect the game to be played, you have the choice of not playing on our server, just as I don't play on servers where the admins tolerate UCB base camping, lone wolfing and ... suicide tactics.

Flame away, but you shouldn't begrudge people with the resources to create their own gaming environment the right to do so.

[firescout555]

You see a jeep rushing your way, you activate AD, and watch the jeep ram itself into tiny pieces,

ps. Give me one VALID argument why car bombing should be banned outside of personal preference and ethics, or it 'ruining the immersion' for you(personal too). Like, say, from a neutral point of view?

i would like say something about the AD, i tot AD only protect you from incoming projectiles and not from fast moving FAV. pls enlighten me about this point since im not sure about that.

from my point of view, it seems that by doing suicide bombing, you have effectivly taken out your enemy. but was it worth it???(read: is it worth 10 seconds of your respawn time for 2 points worth of kill when that time you can get more points to help your team mates???)

[DarQraven]

There is no other argument. Every rule is based on the personal preference of a person or group of people, including stat padding, hacking and cheating to mention a few extremes. There are just different tolerance levels for different tactics.

As long as a rule is OK by the ROE, then server owners will implement certain styles of play to facilitate the enjoyment of the people who frequent the server.

The people who frequent and pay for the Tactical Gamer servers happen to prefer to play a certain way. Our rules and guidelines are within the bounds of the ROE and our admins work hard to maintain this level of play. If you don't agree with the way these people expect the game to be played, you have the choice of not playing on our server, just as I don't play on servers where the admins tolerate UCB base camping, lone wolfing and ... suicide tactics.

Flame away, but you shouldn't begrudge people with the resources to create their own gaming environment the right to do so.

Yes, exactly my point. I'm not critisizing anyone for not allowing car bombing on their servers. Hell, they paid for them. I don't tell people what color to paint their cars, either. But I have a right to 'defend myself' when someone clearly states that, because I use certain tactics, I have no skill.
By what is skill measured then? If skill means doing the most effective thing, I win. If skill means doing the 'noble' thing, he wins. But who's to decide on that really? I myself don't mind taking one for the team, so that includes risking a respawn in order to take a mech out quick and clean.

So far, I have not heard a single person complain about being kicked from a server for car bombing, because most know some people don't like it(Plus you'd probably get a warning, too). At least not on these forums, and if there ever was a thread like that, I'm sure it either got lost in history really soon, or was locked.
However, a post stating car bombers are noskillers IS legitimate?
Strange...

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@Firescout. I dunno about the jeep, but the jeep alone doesn't kill you. It's the RDX that does.
And as far as I know, AD blocks RDX...

[Bommando]

It's pretty clear it's all a matter of opinion. As long as someone is cordial, I don't see a problem with thinking a specific tactic is lame or unskilled. I have been shouted down many times on this forum for holding the opinion I do. Unfortunately, people don't usually extend much courtesy past "OMG YOU FKING NOOB, IT'S IN TEH GAME ROFL!!1".

Thus, I tend to speak my mind and just withdraw when the flaming gets ludicrous. Yours is a rare voice of reason around here.

[firescout555]

@Firescout. I dunno about the jeep, but the jeep alone doesn't kill you. It's the RDX that does.
And as far as I know, AD blocks RDX...

point taken...

[StealthClobber]

it's so fun ;)

This is why they come back in and ask why they got kicked. They don't know no better.

[Apheration]

I have a destroyed a mech shooting its vents with the upgraded sniper rifle. I can't remember how many hits, I think I unloaded 2 clips. which is small since it only holds 3.

[fire@will]

What if the Jihad jeep driver survives...

I frequently do when I use this method... no suicide involved :laugh: :D :laugh:

[nadicus]

Its all about active defense. I'm not totally sure if it stops vehicles from entering the sheild, but i think it does. I was in an APC and I saw a Transport(blackhawk) comming to ram me. So, I put up the active defense and I survived. But, it knocked the APC ON ITS SIDE and it blew up from not being properly grounded.:laugh:

So yeah, Active defence might be a good way to thwart jihaders

[hirschce]

its pretty much comes down to this. if the person in the mech is owning good for him, he gets killed by a jihad jeeper he is gonna be annoyed. cus he wants to farm the opposition with the most poewrful vechile in the game the opposition are going to try and kill him aren't they.

and now i appel to the common sense of most mech drivers:

If you and your team are being owned by a mech, and you have the oppotunity to destroy it, would you?

Oh and one more thing: it is your choice to get in the mech, knowing full well that it will make you a target and people will try to take you out quickly so dont complain if someone stops your quick point collecting. No-one else gives a s**t because your team may want to use the mech as well.

[hirschce]

And just to cover my ***, i hardly ever use a mech, and i never jihad jeep so you have an unbiased opinion so no point flaming that im a jihad jeeper :P

[LECHIP]

WEll its quite fun when u do it, and quite annoying when they do it to you, still i think its a valid tactic and i dont see a problem using it as as the server rules dont say the opposite. Yet, i think jeeping its quite hard agaist some targets since they can take the jeep quite easily in BF2142 and they have the active cammo.

[Bommando]

DISCLAIMER: These tips are only for people who do not want to resort to suicide tactics to take out enemy vehicles. I am just presenting an alternative and proven effective method for dealing with bothersome vehicles. Nobody is under any obligation to use these methods over any other.

I can understand those people who get frustrated by Walker dominance and see no other way, but I'd like to offer up my stats as an example that you don't have to resort to suicide tactics to take down a Walker (or any other vehicle). I have never used suicide tactics or a Jihad Jeep to destroy a vehicle.

My vehicle stats (http://battlefield.ea.com/battlefield/bf2142/PlayerDetails_Vehicles.aspx?Lang=US&SrchName=&PID=82010043&Profiles=).

You'll see that I have been killed a total of 59 times by a Walker and I myself have destroyed 72 Walkers in my playing time.

When I pilot a Walker, the reason I see a lot of people die is that they aren't very smart about what they are doing. Hopefully some of these tips will help you take out that bothersome Walker without resorting to Jihading:

If I am dead and there is a Walker bothering my team, I spawn as Engineer and get into position. This is the key word people: Engineer. The kit is dedicated to vehicle use and destruction. It goes without saying that if you don't choose the right kit for the job, you're going to have less chance of survival. It's just a matter of choosing the right firing platform and relocating after every shot. Using the Pilum helps a lot though, because of the lack of a lock tone.

If the Walker sees you DON'T FIRE. Too many times I see Engineers fire at me while I am looking straight at them. Likely I deploy my shields and they get killed without me suffering so much as a scratch. Only fire if the walker is not looking at you. If it is, run and relocate. A Walker can't kill that quickly, it needs a good burst to kill a ground troop, so use this to your advantage.

Shoot the supply box first. I see a lot of people keep shooting at a Walker with a supply box at its feet. That's just dumb. By the time you reload, he has repaired his damage. Shoot the box first. A lot of the time the pilot won't even know that his box has been destroyed and keep firing with a false sense of impunity. This is your opportunity to cause the real damage while they are not careful. The same goes for Engineers repairing. If he has a person running around at his feet repairing, switch to grenades and take him out first. A Walker without a method of repair won't last long in my experience.

Fire at the rear or legs if possible, but don't risk a sure fire hit to do so. If the Walker is too far away, then best to go for the definite hit than risk a costly miss.

Support troops should be helping out with EMP grenades. As a Support soldier, drop an ammo box first, get into cover and start that irritating flood of EMP grenades flying. Just one well-equipped Support player can make their life a misery.

Motion Mines. So many vehicle pilots are so eager for kills that they'll chase them down. A smart walker pilot will just let you go if you run, but you can clean up the noobs with Motion Mines. Pop your head out, then run behind cover. Drop some mines over a wall and watch him chase. Likely he will chase you head on. Once the mines start tracking, a backpedalling Walker does not move fast enough to outpace them. Dead Walker or better yet, abandoned Walker. Ready for you to repair and steal.

Those are just a few examples of tactics which I use to take down a good number of Walkers and I rarely feel threatened by them. If I'm not an Engineer or Support with EMP, I quite simply run away. Why expose yourself to grief when you don't have the right tools for the job?

So, now you have a little background as to why I think Jihading is skilless. I take much more pride in out-thinking my opponent with the right tools and staying alive than "drive, left-click and respawn".

[DarQraven]

If so, anything other than a headshot is skill-less too.

I agree with you that your post describes effective ways to take out a mech.
I still don't agree that jihadjeepers have no skill though.
Who ever said all they do is jihadjeeping? As far as anyone knows, they might be better than you at taking out mechs. And say you're recon, and you see a mech.
Almost no mech drivers are stupid enough to let you get close enough to plant RDX on them, so that doesn't work, unless you're pretty good at sneaking/have camo and the driver is an asshat.
You could either just walk away, and let the walker r@pe your team for a couple of minutes before someone has succesfully killed it as engineer, or you find the nearest jeep, and be done in about 20 seconds.

If you do it right, you won't even die.
I understand why people might find it annoying, but I were playing a clanmatch, and we needed to take out a walker, I wouldn't hesitate to use jihadjeeping.

[Roothax]

If so, anything other than a headshot is skill-less too.

I agree with you that your post describes effective ways to take out a mech.
I still don't agree that jihadjeepers have no skill though.
Who ever said all they do is jihadjeeping? As far as anyone knows, they might be better than you at taking out mechs. And say you're recon, and you see a mech.
Almost no mech drivers are stupid enough to let you get close enough to plant RDX on them, so that doesn't work, unless you're pretty good at sneaking/have camo and the driver is an asshat.
You could either just walk away, and let the walker r@pe your team for a couple of minutes before someone has succesfully killed it as engineer, or you find the nearest jeep, and be done in about 20 seconds.

If you do it right, you won't even die.
I understand why people might find it annoying, but I were playing a clanmatch, and we needed to take out a walker, I wouldn't hesitate to use jihadjeeping.

I have to fully agree with this.
Jeep + C7 = Creative use of game mechanics.

You use whats at your disposal to overcome your enemy.

[mac|Fodder]

I can understand those people who get frustrated by Walker dominance and see no other way, but I'd like to offer up my stats as an example that you don't have to resort to suicide tactics to take down a Walker (or any other vehicle). I have never used suicide tactics or a Jihad Jeep to destroy a vehicle.

fantastic guide mate, i came down on the side of using assets on the field as needed, but i do see that a measured response can be meted out as well.

i haven't had enough game time to do all this but i live to learn! thanks again

[firescout555]

i got a question here!!!1

how do you tip a walker???

[Prof]

i got a question here!!!1

how do you tip a walker???

15% for ok service, 20% if they really went out of their way.

[AlphaNut]

Good guide Bommando :)

I am almost a full time engineer. I have no problems taking out tanks and APCs but walkers are giving me a bad head-ache most of the time.
This problem gets worse because the people on the servers I play on most of the time are guys who really know how to use those things and work well as a squad.
Sometimes even when you are engineer you just don't seem able to counter the walkers. At least not if no one else on your team is playing engi class.
Due to it's only short anti-infantry combat capabilities the engineer is seen only very seldom on urban infantry maps with one or two walkers on each team.
So the walkers usually end up top of the scoreboard with a smackload of kills on only very little deaths.

I resorted to charging the Mech on foot and preferably get as close to it's bottom as possible. Then I start spamming motion mines until I get killed.
Very often I will get the walker after he kills me because he is unaware that I've just thrown a bunch of mines at his feet. Sometimes the pilot will bail before his robot explodes but at least my teammates won't have to deal with it anymore for a few minutes.

[Bommando]

Good guide Bommando :)

I am almost a full time engineer. I have no problems taking out tanks and APCs but walkers are giving me a bad head-ache most of the time.
This problem gets worse because the people on the servers I play on most of the time are guys who really know how to use those things and work well as a squad.
Sometimes even when you are engineer you just don't seem able to counter the walkers. At least not if no one else on your team is playing engi class.
Due to it's only short anti-infantry combat capabilities the engineer is seen only very seldom on urban infantry maps with one or two walkers on each team.
So the walkers usually end up top of the scoreboard with a smackload of kills on only very little deaths.

I resorted to charging the Mech on foot and preferably get as close to it's bottom as possible. Then I start spamming motion mines until I get killed.
Very often I will get the walker after he kills me because he is unaware that I've just thrown a bunch of mines at his feet. Sometimes the pilot will bail before his robot explodes but at least my teammates won't have to deal with it anymore for a few minutes.

This is a very interesting point and one to consider as an Engineer on an infantry map. I often play Engineer on an infantry map, not only for the kills I can make but also the tickets I can save my team.

Now, I know that a non-scoring concept is scary to a lot of ranked players, but I figure if I take down a walker at no cost to myself, I am saving my team a good 10 deaths for every respawn that walker is out of action.

The Engineer does not need to be entirely unselfish however. Well-placed EMP mines with motion mines behind them are an excellent way to create a Walker chokepoint or stop a buggy rush and can pick up some healthy kills too. Just remember to place the motion mines out of view. Too many people place the motion mines where they can be seen. Place the EMP mines where they will block a route, but place the motion mines in corners and behind boxes. Vehicle drivers / pilots will not always assume there are motion mines as well and just charge through the EMP. While they are frozen, your motion mines go in for the kill.

There is also little better for dealing with those pesky buggy turrets in use on maps such as Tunis Harbor. Engineers don't have to be starved for kills on infantry maps, they just need to choose theirs better.

You can run-n-gun with the SMG pretty well too. Just make sure you use the UAV to your advantage and rush into someone around a corner. You need the element of surprise due to the small mag size and lower damage. Rush, crouch, spray works a treat. Just watch out for his buddies and make sure you always engage with a full mag ;)

[AlphaNut]

One of the most successful tactics I found to work against walkers is the Engineer-Support-Combo.
You mentioned it in your guide and this really works if you have a gunner who spamms his EMP grenades while you as an engineer can take clean shots to the robot's knees.

I love the smg's in this game. And the best thing about them is that they absolutely own every other weapon close up. OK, the odds to win against the gunner shotgun is about 40:60 but that's a lot higher then with any other weapon in a close-up duel.
I have over 100 kills with each one of the 2 versions. And I loved every single "in your face" moment of it :D

[firescout555]

15% for ok service, 20% if they really went out of their way.

my point of tipping it, is making it fall over. not shoving little metals up their hole...

[DarQraven]

LOL, yeah, 20% should be good if they REALLY owned you...

[LECHIP]

One of the most successful tactics I found to work against walkers is the Engineer-Support-Combo.
You mentioned it in your guide and this really works if you have a gunner who spamms his EMP grenades while you as an engineer can take clean shots to the robot's knees.

I love the smg's in this game. And the best thing about them is that they absolutely own every other weapon close up. OK, the odds to win against the gunner shotgun is about 40:60 but that's a lot higher then with any other weapon in a close-up duel.
I have over 100 kills with each one of the 2 versions. And I loved every single "in your face" moment of it :D

Totally agree, SMG's are so useful in this game.

[iostream]

I love placing RDX on my vehicles. There is nothing wrong with Jihad Jeeping, it's an aspect of the game just like lonewolfing...they are both aspects of this game that are frowned upon by those who take this game waaaay too seriously.

"Lonewolfing takes away from the tactical squad aspect"../cry
"Jihad Jeeping takes away form the realism"../cry

Sure I may get kicked for Jihad Jeeping or Lonewolfing...maybe I'm in the mood for some explosives fun or maybe I don't feel like listening to my retarded *** commander or squad leader(b/c 99% of the time they are retards).

As long as there are servers that I can go to that still allow this I will not be to upset about the servers that ban Jihad Jeeping or Lonewolfing.