So what are the exact rules?

[Inkedsphynx]

Maybe we can get a moderator in here to outline this new no-exploit policy that seems to have materialized since... oh, yesterday.

Now that we can no longer acknowledge that ammo boxes exist within a 100 meter radius of the titan, I want to know what else the community isn't allowed to discuss or mention in a post.

So please, let us know what we can and cannot discuss. Make sure you draw the line nice and clearly so those of us who like to have discussions about the game don't step over said line, and end up having our time wasted by having a lenghty post deleted.

Just curious, since I hear that people are allowed to speak their minds here.

[Inkedsphynx]

Also, for the record, before *I* get banned, I want to say this:

There are 2 types of people that learn about exploits. Those who will use them, who will learn them whether they're posted here or not, because they'll actively seek them out. And then there's those that report those who use them, who will not actively seek them out, so may not learn about them because all mention of them in this forum is erased. The way I see it, censorship of this subject is just reducing community awareness, and not doing anything to stop it from happening, if anything, it's only helping, since there'll be people who would attempt to put a stop to exploiting who may not learn about any specific exploits now that they're no longer spoken of here.

[Vreki]

Maybe we can get a moderator in here to outline this new no-exploit policy that seems to have materialized since... oh, yesterday.

Now that we can no longer acknowledge that ammo boxes exist within a 100 meter radius of the titan, I want to know what else the community isn't allowed to discuss or mention in a post.

So please, let us know what we can and cannot discuss. Make sure you draw the line nice and clearly so those of us who like to have discussions about the game don't step over said line, and end up having our time wasted by having a lenghty post deleted.

Just curious, since I hear that people are allowed to speak their minds here.

There is this:

18 - Cheats.
-There will be no discussion on how to use cheats in Multiplayer parts of any game. Do not link to sites that supply this information.
-Cheats can be discussed to teach the general gaming population on what to look out for and cheats in single player mode can be freely discussed, but any discussion of how to use cheats in multiplayer mode will result in a permanent vacation from the forum.


Although exploits are not directly mentionend, it seems reasonable that they are covered under "cheats"

[Talus]

You're being overly dramatic.

Just wait a little while and this whole thing will be over.

[Inkedsphynx]

-Cheats can be discussed to teach the general gaming population on what to look out for

That's what I was doing in the post that got deleted that set me off.



And no, I'm not being overly dramatic. I take any type of censorship very seriously. Now, what can we and can we not discuss?

I wouldn't complain over deletion of posts that were made solely to say "Hey look, here's an exploit". But deleting posts that have substantive value is too much for my likes. I can't speak for any other deleted posts, because I don't read them before they're wiped, but I know my post had valid substantive value, it wasn't simply a "look, exploits! omg!".

And either way, what I said in my second post in this thread is no less true.

[Talus]

We can discuss cheats but we cannot discuss how to get them or perform them.

for example, we can discuss how we are upset that an exploit or cheat exists or what that means to the game, but we cannot post details on how it is performed or obtained.

You took one line out of context. Re-read that entire section again.

Simple enough?

[Inkedsphynx]

So then how do you KNOW if something is a "cheat/exploit/etc" if you can't discuss it?

What I discussed was, in my book, definately not an exploit, so I fail to see how it falls under the aforementioned category.

It was RELATED to an exploit, yes. However simply telling people that we can no longer discuss dropping an ammo box anywhere on the Titan I don't think is going to fly, because technically, and discussion linking those two items is related to the exploit in question.

Furthermore, if you want to edit stuff out, at least don't delete the entire freakin posts of people. Take out the exploit bits (not that it won't irritate me any less), but to have my whole well thought out, articulate, and lengthy post deleted in a matter of a few seconds pisses me off almost as much as being censored. It takes time to write these things you know, and I personally do so while at work, when I probably should be working *chuckle*

EDIT: Edited for grammar.

[Kenny 10 Bellys]

I'm siding with Inked on this one, if we censor absolutely any mention of exploits or cheats then it's just stupidity, and plays into the hands of those who do cheat. The ammo box bit is not a cheat as such, merely something that can be exploited by the lazy among us to win a badge and a few points. It's also something that EA/Dice should be made aware of, in order that this simple loophole be closed.

Not talking about something wont make it go away. If someone links to cheats or gets into discussions about the mechanics of doing it yourself, then they need banned. If we mention the cheat, we should not expect to see our posts deleted. In this day and age freedom of speech is becoming more restricted through nonsensical arguments, dont fall for that trap too.

[Inkedsphynx]

For example, the whole "use a squad beacon to get on top of a building" thing.

I think it's an exploit. Some people don't.

How do we know if we're allowed to discuss it on these forums? It could be an exploit.

Is it subject to your opinion, or that of someone else? If so, who made you the final arbitor over exploit-status?

EDIT: I'm basically saying that an "all or nothing" attitude is NOT the correct approach to this, and is simply going to piss off valuable community members (assuming you do value your community, which, with comments made in the last hour, I'm beginning to doubt that), and it still does no good in the long run.

[Talus]

because we have been ASKED specifically by the DEV TEAM to remove specific bits of information

YOUR POST contained that information

I am through discussing this with you

[Inkedsphynx]

Well, if you'd STATED that in the FIRST place, we might not be having that discussion. Obviously if the Dev team for the game has asked, then you've really got little choice but to comply.

HOWEVER, I still feel that these sentiments should be related back to them, so they know what their community feels on the issue.

[Seadogs]

I'm siding with Inked on this one, if we censor absolutely any mention of exploits or cheats then it's just stupidity, and plays into the hands of those who do cheat. The ammo box bit is not a cheat as such, merely something that can be exploited by the lazy among us to win a badge and a few points. It's also something that EA/Dice should be made aware of, in order that this simple loophole be closed.

Not talking about something wont make it go away. If someone links to cheats or gets into discussions about the mechanics of doing it yourself, then they need banned. If we mention the cheat, we should not expect to see our posts deleted. In this day and age freedom of speech is becoming more restricted through nonsensical arguments, dont fall for that trap too.

I hate it when people like up freedom of speach like that thinking it's there to give you a free for all whatever goes. Do some studying.

[Sir. bzb]

The intergrity of the on line gaming experiance has to be preserved as much as is possible, the bugs cant be fixed overnight so the only practicle approach can be to do the best you can to limit the number of people who are aware of how things are done. Posting the how of the exploits on a busy forum is gameplay suicide for the game.
I dont think its an easy job for the moderators to read through nearly all the content that appears on this site, i dont think they act unfairly or wrongly especially in regards to exploits and i think some of the posters genuinly fail to be aware of the bigger picture.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

OP, you also may not be aware that we have a server owner's lounge where all members are made aware of these exploits and other issues that help keep our servers clean and let us know what to look out for.

I honestly see no reason why tutorials on how to exploit the game need to be public information on this site. The people that want to use these exploits can use google and go somewhere else as far as I'm concerned.

Additionally, DICE is aware of most (if not all) of these exploits and is currently working on patching them. Since the main point of most exploit exposing threads is to "tell as many peope as possible so it gets fixed faster", if the people doing the fixing already know about the exploit then it doesn't need to spread to as many people as possible because it will still get fixed just as slowly or quickly as if those people never knew it existed.

Lastly, on the slim chance that DICE doesn't know about the exploit yet, PM their representative here or find another way to contact them. PM'ing one of the mod's or admins would be a good place to start, IMO, if you honestly don't know how to report an exploit and would like to.

[Inkedsphynx]

People aren't reading the whole entirety of all the conversations.

What had me up in arms to begin with was that the post I had deleted was not saying "Hey look, here is how you exploit!". I was discussing whether or not a certain action WAS an exploit. I know for a fact it wasn't. But, simply because my post mentioned using a certain item while in corridor 1, it was deleted.

I'd understand it if I was simply telling people how to exploit. I was trying to have a legit discussion though.

[El Cid]

You know what forum is really exploit-friendly? BFROE.com. I see people in there talking about exploits all the time, with screenshots even! Those people ruin the game for all of us.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

Oh, now I remember reading your thread. Unfortunately for that particular exploit, mentioning what item to use and where to use that item in Titan mode is pretty much all you need to duplicate the exploit.

What you were doing was not an exploit b/c you have a legitimate right to put the item in your position and use it to defend the titan, but you already know this. Sometimes it is best to ignore the people in 2142 if you know you are in the right.

[Inkedsphynx]

Yea, I know that, I was just illustrating the point that just because someone is getting points because of the shoddy programming that has caused this exploit to exist, does not mean they are an exploiter, as I was accused of.

I obviously didn't intend my post to be a tell-all on how to exploit this particular one, but I do feel that the spirit of my post, and the point of it, was quite legit. *shrug* Doesn't matter now.

[Killerus]

You know what forum is really exploit-friendly? BFROE.com. I see people in there talking about exploits all the time, with screenshots even! Those people ruin the game for all of us.


are you serious? Its a site to report cheaters and exploiters. Of course there will be screenshots and discussion.

[El Cid]

are you serious? Its a site to report cheaters and exploiters. Of course there will be screenshots and discussion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

;)

[Verto]

There is not much that can be done if the dev team has requested these things to be restricted. And to be honest you have created a thread about these deletions and the admins have responded with a completly legtimate answer. The fact is if you (this is talking to anyone who is appropriate) dont like this apparent 'breach of your rites' then perhaps ypu find yourself a different battlefield forum. The admins and mods do a great job here and you would be pushed to find a better place to discuss battlefield. The point is, for the moment we cannot talk about cheats in detail (but who would want to anyway?). From my point of view the only post which seem to be deleted are the ones that explain in detail about cheats. Who would blame the mods for deleting that? Because although that poster may not mean any harm,any explanation to the public about somthing like cheats will get you a guaranteed response. Joe bloggs will read it and think to himself "hey that looks cool, im going to do that" and then it builds momentum, and before you know it, its ruined the game.

[Talus]

thank you :)

[moltenblack]

Personally I use this site because I want to be part of a comunity that upholds the basics of fun gaming and fairplay.
Exploits ruin the fun and kill fairplay.Thats why they should be reported to EA or DICE.
People who post these exploits in forums must expect to have their motives for doing so questioned.
The old "I posted this exploit to get it stopped" just won't wash here.

[gergnoodle]

most people learn about the exploits in the game not in here, those that come here and post are mostly honest fair gamers from what i can see

if you want cheats you google cheats for bf2142 not come to a forum that exitsts for fans of the game

deleting a post that contained valid information for us honest gamers is a little 1984 yes

freedom is the right to say 2 plus 2 is 5