Stat Padding : your opinions

[sniperghost666]

i've read alot in a few of the other forums about people griping about stat padders. this is the way i see it, if someone wants to spend their time padding, what's the big deal?? it has no effect on my gaming expirence what so ever. this morning i was on the titan trying to attack a base that was right under us. i was using the titan guns of course. some player started shooting at my feet and then typed "no stat padding in here pal". so i started messing with him saying that i could pad if i wanted to. he stood there the ENTIRE GAME and watched me and made sure that i didnt get back on the titan guns. i TK'd him a few times and he punished me of course. but this is the point im getting at, if someone wants to get cheap points by padding why should other players care?? it's in the game and yes it is an exploit. if it's a clan match or something like that i understand, but everyone who complains about it needs to remember something, IT'S A FU@$#@% GAME!!!!!!!!!! now if someone was glitching in walls and killing people, thats another matter. that directly affects everyones gameplay. but padding doesn't. so stop worrying about who's gonna have more points than you and who's a higher rank. post up and give me your opinions.

[MrChris_CJ]

see your point, i dont mind them, i know theyll get wiped, i do however take great pleasure in flaming them and following them across the map to find new and inventive ways to kill them

eg - pancake them with a transport

[menace-uk-]

I feal sorry stat padder's:rolleyes:

Stat padder's seem to think that haveing a high score/rank is some kind of uber leetness when infact it shows you need to PAD to get those high rank's thus making you a **** player:evil:


I have nearly 3500 points not many i know but i got them through playing fairly and putting the time and effort in to get them:evil:

[Nefarious]

I only care about stat padding if it involves the following actions: me getting killed, me getting wounded, me getting blamed for stat padding. If I am getting killed and revived over and over again against my will, I'll get angry at the stat padders. However, if someone is throwing ammo bags around the titan, I dont care. It doesnt hurt to report them and no one should be afraid to in the first place, however, when it comes to hunting stat padders down, leave that to BFROE and EA.

[ReaperOfsouls]

I kinda see where you are coming from when you say why care, its not affecting you but at the same time it is, indirectly though.

It inflates the whole entire system and ruins it.

[Deesies]

Doesn't affect me = I don't care.

[Daz]

Stat padding for points, or wallhacking etc, just to be the best on the server and overall scoreboard is stupid. Stat padding for an award I can live with but is still not a thing to do.

[sniperghost666]

oh i've stat padded before a few times. it's not because i get off on having the most points or anything. i just want my unlocks faster and i didn't want to spend forever getting them. so not all padders are about "uber leetness". but most of them are. i don't pretend to be a badass at 2142, im decent i guess. but i also dont take the game as seriously as some people. thanks for the post guys :)

[[MyIS]Steve]

Stat padding affects the whole ranking system and distorts it.

if the padding was allowed the ranks and unlocks wouldnt mean squat..

thats why they are enforced..

[sniperghost666]

yeah i can understand the killing and reviving pad, but im basicly talking about the titan pad with the support class. wall hackers should be banned for sure

[[MyIS]Steve]

oh i've stat padded before a few times. it's not because i get off on having the most points or anything. i just want my unlocks faster and i didn't want to spend forever getting them. so not all padders are about "uber leetness". but most of them are. i don't pretend to be a badass at 2142, im decent i guess. but i also dont take the game as seriously as some people. thanks for the post guys :)

why should you be allowed to get your unlocks or rank faster than someone who worked hard for it

this is my point exactly..

and no I didnt send you in..

[sniperghost666]

but does a ranking system in a video game really that important?? i remember when video games were just fun to play. but then again i remember when there was no such thing as glitching or padding lol

[Nefarious]

IndianScout;122560']Stat padding affects the whole ranking system and distorts it.

if the padding was allowed the ranks and unlocks wouldnt mean squat..

thats why they are enforced..

A reason why stats shouldnt exist in the first place. I am all for the number crunching, how many kills, how many hours, etc, etc. But awards? ranks? Those are just useless. BF 1942 doesnt have ranks or stats and people are still playing it, I still play it.

[dotswarlock]

If it knocks 1 or more players on my team out of the action and therefore reduces our chances of success then it annoys me. Personally I like to play, give my best and hopefully win but no matter how hard I try it is still a team effort and if half the team is stat padding then there's no point of me trying and I'll find another server.

[sniperghost666]

send me in??? for what?

[Nefarious]

send me in??? for what?

Stat padding.:laugh:

[sniperghost666]

IndianScout;122569']why should you be allowed to get your unlocks or rank faster than someone who worked hard for it

this is my point exactly..

and no I didnt send you in..

because i have a limited time to play the game. i do have other things to do. and people shouldn't worry about who's got what. like i said it's only a game

[sniperghost666]

and it's impossible to "work hard" playing a video game. you can invest time and effort, but not work hard. a ditch digger works hard. a construction worker works hard. a carpet installer works hard. but ranking up in a game isn't working hard. and i wouldn't be worth turning in anyway, im not that good LOL

[sniperghost666]

BTW i like your EA post there, thats hilarious!!!

[CarbonFire]

If it knocks 1 or more players on my team out of the action and therefore reduces our chances of success then it annoys me. Personally I like to play, give my best and hopefully win but no matter how hard I try it is still a team effort and if half the team is stat padding then there's no point of me trying and I'll find another server.
Agreed.

To say that it doesn't affect you at all is not quite true. In a community of gamers where our actions affect other players gaming experiences, even someone not participating affects you.

It means there are less people on your team to help you win.
It means that winning and squad play are lessened in importance to personal stats and "whoring" points.
It means on Titan mode you have people hogging the guns to get resupply points rather than helping their team.

Most padders don't directly affect the individual games of most players. But overall, they change the climate of the game, turning it from a fun game where winning matters into a leveling treadmill where points matter more than anything else. Makes me sad :cry:

[Vundu]

Check those 2 at top, using Titan gun glitch to pad all the round.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a294/vundu1/screen005.jpg

Loosers wind you up.

[Sir. bzb]

You could only ever provide an accurate ranking on a level playing field, hence the idea is flawed.
Free time is the key, unless ranked play is limited to a couple of hours a day for all the stats will always be distorted.
Why defend a flawed system, it needs input and fixing if it is to rank anyone realistically, telling the time from a broken clock is only a waste of time after all.

[[MyIS]Steve]

please make these reports on the BFROE forums and not here..

[Vundu]

IndianScout;122626']please make these reports on the BFROE forums and not here..

Ok will do, sorry.

[Sir Robin]

It means there are less people on your team to help you win.
It means that winning and squad play are lessened in importance to personal stats and "whoring" points.
It means on Titan mode you have people hogging the guns to get resupply points rather than helping their team.

Exactly, I play Support a lot and enjoy trying to win. If you are just there to statpad then you are taking up the slot of another player that could be trying to help our team win. Of course that is what kick votes are for but I try and give people the benefit of the doubt so its often not an effective control method unless they are being blatantly obvious about it.

If you are statpadding then you should expect to get kicked because you are not actively trying to help your team win.

[Svoma15]

I could careless. If they want to play a boring *** game doing the same old ting over and over, go for it. I just don't like it when they steal my 1/2/3 medal.

[Got Your Back]

I just LOVE (sarcasm) when some Stat padding high ranking Moron bumps me out of the Commander position so he can get in Armor/plane & not give orders or anything that a Commander SHOULD BE DOING!

Its so irritating when you see a commander getting in vehicles & NOT giving orders/UAV/Supplies!

[Haemogod]

i've read alot in a few of the other forums about people griping about stat padders. this is the way i see it, if someone wants to spend their time padding, what's the big deal?? it has no effect on my gaming expirence what so ever. this morning i was on the titan trying to attack a base that was right under us. i was using the titan guns of course. some player started shooting at my feet and then typed "no stat padding in here pal". so i started messing with him saying that i could pad if i wanted to. he stood there the ENTIRE GAME and watched me and made sure that i didnt get back on the titan guns. i TK'd him a few times and he punished me of course. but this is the point im getting at, if someone wants to get cheap points by padding why should other players care?? it's in the game and yes it is an exploit. if it's a clan match or something like that i understand, but everyone who complains about it needs to remember something, IT'S A FU@$#@% GAME!!!!!!!!!! now if someone was glitching in walls and killing people, thats another matter. that directly affects everyones gameplay. but padding doesn't. so stop worrying about who's gonna have more points than you and who's a higher rank. post up and give me your opinions.

I dont do it, also i dont see the problem with people stat padding, so what, they want the unlocks let them have it, heh now if unranks servers automatically had 2 settings: allow/disallow ALL unlocks in server, this would solve all ye problems, they should have their stats reset, no, should they have their own rank that they get for being lamorz.

[Savethehumans]

i've read alot in a few of the other forums about people griping about stat padders. this is the way i see it, if someone wants to spend their time padding, what's the big deal?? it has no effect on my gaming expirence what so ever. this morning i was on the titan trying to attack a base that was right under us. i was using the titan guns of course. some player started shooting at my feet and then typed "no stat padding in here pal". so i started messing with him saying that i could pad if i wanted to. he stood there the ENTIRE GAME and watched me and made sure that i didnt get back on the titan guns. i TK'd him a few times and he punished me of course. but this is the point im getting at, if someone wants to get cheap points by padding why should other players care?? it's in the game and yes it is an exploit. if it's a clan match or something like that i understand, but everyone who complains about it needs to remember something, IT'S A FU@$#@% GAME!!!!!!!!!! now if someone was glitching in walls and killing people, thats another matter. that directly affects everyones gameplay. but padding doesn't. so stop worrying about who's gonna have more points than you and who's a higher rank. post up and give me your opinions.


Bottom line is the ranking system holds no meaning as is. Why even have unlocks/rank or a points system when a "cheater" can get 172 pts per round, AFK.

Just another part of a game with no QA/QC. Adds to an already weak community.

[fknlo]

stat padding doesn't really bother me all that much, but it is fun to screw around with the padders by blowing up their ammo boxes etc... that'll really piss them off

[hirschce]

i've read alot in a few of the other forums about people griping about stat padders. this is the way i see it, if someone wants to spend their time padding, what's the big deal?? it has no effect on my gaming expirence what so ever. this morning i was on the titan trying to attack a base that was right under us. i was using the titan guns of course. some player started shooting at my feet and then typed "no stat padding in here pal". so i started messing with him saying that i could pad if i wanted to. he stood there the ENTIRE GAME and watched me and made sure that i didnt get back on the titan guns. i TK'd him a few times and he punished me of course. but this is the point im getting at, if someone wants to get cheap points by padding why should other players care?? it's in the game and yes it is an exploit. if it's a clan match or something like that i understand, but everyone who complains about it needs to remember something, IT'S A FU@$#@% GAME!!!!!!!!!! now if someone was glitching in walls and killing people, thats another matter. that directly affects everyones gameplay. but padding doesn't. so stop worrying about who's gonna have more points than you and who's a higher rank. post up and give me your opinions.

actually if u stat pad for points it does affect, eg. someone needs a gold medal, they put in 1/2 hour or so trying to get it only to be beaten by a stat padder being lame. if there was a server saying - stat padding allowed. then yea all stat padders go thier and come up with new and inventive ways to get points, then send on your findings to EA so if it is a glitch that affects gameplay they can fix it - if however it is something u can do then hey do it to ur hearts content. it kinda defeats the point of the game cus it is a pretty boring thing to do but hey - ur life.

[some1one]

Wow 1035 resupplys and you have played 15 less hours then me.

[Svartberg]

when a few people on my team statpad, of course i care ... it gives the enemy a quantity advantage.

[trig33k]

I find it irritating when a stat padder is impeding our chances to win through lack of involvement...but then again its online game and different people have different goals.

Tri

[evilzucchini]

Stat padding DOES affect me.

First and foremost, if I want to be commander but some stapadder and has passed my ranking because of padding then yes, I have been affected by it.

Second, as someone mentioned above, it screws up medals and what not. If I don't pad and they do, how do I ever get a gold medal? That and it makes my gold medals less meaningful.

[Iwantcable]

I think what everybody is getting at is: 5 stat padders doesn't affect much. 50,000 does.

As for the commander stuff, get a gun and kill people :laugh:

[Coren]

Other than the blatant exploitation, what do you guys define as stat padding?

If I go into a pistol/knife server, is that stat padding in and of itself? Must I use all the guns all the time?

Seems like a lot of people that complain about stat padding are a bunch of whiny fags. Just like noobs that get owned too much accuse everybody of hacking, anybody that gets silver in a round thinks the guy with gold is stat padding. Do I stat pad? Probably, depending on the definition. I actively go after badges and ribbons, meaning I'll spend more time than usual dropping health kits and stuff, and not shooting people. Do I think this is going to break the game? no. I just want the rest of my unlocks. I don't abuse exploits, and people that do should be demoted a few dozen times.

[nosoupforyou]

i've read alot in a few of the other forums about people griping about stat padders. this is the way i see it, if someone wants to spend their time padding, what's the big deal?? it has no effect on my gaming expirence what so ever. this morning i was on the titan trying to attack a base that was right under us. i was using the titan guns of course. some player started shooting at my feet and then typed "no stat padding in here pal". so i started messing with him saying that i could pad if i wanted to. he stood there the ENTIRE GAME and watched me and made sure that i didnt get back on the titan guns. i TK'd him a few times and he punished me of course. but this is the point im getting at, if someone wants to get cheap points by padding why should other players care?? it's in the game and yes it is an exploit. if it's a clan match or something like that i understand, but everyone who complains about it needs to remember something, IT'S A FU@$#@% GAME!!!!!!!!!! now if someone was glitching in walls and killing people, thats another matter. that directly affects everyones gameplay. but padding doesn't. so stop worrying about who's gonna have more points than you and who's a higher rank. post up and give me your opinions.

lmao, i hear you, that guy was an idiot. altho, i dont like major stat padding, what your doing was fine.

what i found more annoying in bf2 tho was "base raping"

when im trying to cap a flag, sum1 appears and i shoot them, or even if my team is cappin and i sit ther shootin spawners or vice versa. I see no problem with that. at all. do ppl really expect me to let them spawn and lob a grenade to get 5 kills ^^ na, id rather kill u if u wanna magically spawn next to me, just spawn a flag away please.

also, not sure ppl will agree hear, but to an extent, i have raped uncaps, but only ever as infantry, basically sniping (with my ar) ppl running for vehicles. whats wrong with that?

[Robot_Chicken]

Stats padding may be a nuisance and a display of people's inability to play the game but it really is offensive to those of us who enjoy getting a medal at the end of a round. Stat padders push those who worked hard to recieve a medal not for points obviously but the personal satisfaction that you played well enough to be ranked in one of the top three players. Stat padders ruin this feeling of accomplishment.

[nosoupforyou]

Stats padding may be a nuisance and a display of people's inability to play the game but it really is offensive to those of us who enjoy getting a medal at the end of a round. Stat padders push those who worked hard to recieve a medal not for points obviously but the personal satisfaction that you played well enough to be ranked in one of the top three players. Stat padders ruin this feeling of accomplishment.

hence i play infantry, when i beat sum guy using a walker its fun :)

[Robot_Chicken]

I love being an engineer. I destroy vehics as quickly as i repair them.

[namvet70]

If you want to see some blatant stat padding, check out the top 20 on the Leaderboard every few hours...just go in to the search the player mode and look at some of these folks' stats ( many are legit )...some really weird stuff going down...

Larry

[Robot_Chicken]

I know what you mean. I play my hardest and increase my rank through badges pins etc. And yet I never seem to catch up to these people who I know I could beat.

[colony]

Hopefully the BFROE kicks in and starts getting word to EA about the stat padders they find.

[Robot_Chicken]

Hopefully the BFROE kicks in and starts getting word to EA about the stat padders they find.

If they do kick in do you think they will punish the obvious stat padders?

[Dacster]

We have. Amazing how many reports we are getting and just like the hotel glitch most of them are about the titan resupply.

[Robot_Chicken]

You know, if they could make it so people wouldn't just sit in the hallways and lob grenades that would be good too. Make it so you can only resupply and heal behind the force fields and on the rear/top deck. I think that would improve the gameplay a great deal. Watching your ammo and rationing your grenades would matter.


As for the topic. I dont care if they pad. I just hate the morons that blow the consoles and core before the sheilds are down. I watched one guy do it and the admins would not do anything. I TK'd him a couple of times then left the server for a better one.

As for the BFROE. I dont think they do anything. Look at all of the knife/pistol and high point servers out there for BF2. Some servers have rules like no commanders and no claymores or C4 at flags, unless you are part of the clan.

That's so true but you have to realize that the best part of playing is winning with your team on a legit server. Any stat padder on your team or theirs is gonna ruin the game not for just one player but true players who work and fight hard legitamatly like myself.

[the_bruce_lee]

I feal sorry stat padder's:rolleyes:

Stat padder's seem to think that haveing a high score/rank is some kind of uber leetness when infact it shows you need to PAD to get those high rank's thus making you a **** player:evil:


I have nearly 3500 points not many i know but i got them through playing fairly and putting the time and effort in to get them:evil:

That's how much i got! Actually I should of had 4000 by now but a few times it didn't update my points. Could of had another unlock...

[HTSpecOps]

well it seen to me the best solution is : stat pading in the same time that your are captureing flag , attacking , defending etc and yes you can do it boths in the same time , it just gives you more point.

[Tiberiansun292]

if it wasnt for stat padding i would be rank number 22 in knifing. thats alls i care about. is knife people. but no someone always has to mess it up for the people that are doing it right.

[CrysisPwnz]

Yeah dude, hundreds of people are getting killed in Iraq, why should I care it doesnt affect me... oh wait, it does?

[kenof2142]

Cheating is cheating is cheating.....

[sniperghost666]

Yeah dude, hundreds of people are getting killed in Iraq, why should I care it doesnt affect me... oh wait, it does?

dude don't even compare auctual infantry combat to a fu@#$%@ game. you don't get a respawn in real life. and this game in comparison to war is just plain retarted

[Sepp_Dietrich]

If you are statpadding then you should expect to get kicked because you are not actively trying to help your team win.

And what about those with the knife badge fetish,or any badge farmers for that matter?

"Ohhh I gotta get my dogtag fix, yeah I know we're losing silos and flags but if I get just 5 more sets of dogtags I get my E-Penis enhancement button!!"

Should you expect to get kicked for that, because you are not actively trying to help your team win?

[some1one]

The point is that your getting your points fair that way. Someone who just sits on a titan gun with an ammo hub is not only not helping the team but also making the stats system pretty much pointless.

[Spastik]

check this out. the numbers were counting faster then one every seven seconds. More like 15 a second. They were not on a titan. But by looking at the map I think I may know what they are doing. This was the "escape planets of the apes" server. The admin did nothing and the commander (Rathernoobish) was glad he got is badge.

Off topic. notice my rank. I have 10000 points and this round is all for not. Oh well, time to go back in.

http://www.sneakybastards.net/images/screen008.jpg

[Robot_Chicken]

It does nothing for the team except cost them 1 extra soldier to help win the map. That one soldier can make a huge difference.

[Vreki]

check this out. the numbers were counting faster then one every seven seconds. More like 15 a second. They were not on a titan. But by looking at the map I think I may know what they are doing. This was the "escape planets of the apes" server. The admin did nothing and the commander (Rathernoobish) was glad he got is badge.

Off topic. notice my rank. I have 10000 points and this round is all for not. Oh well, time to go back in.


www.bfroe.com, someone that obivious hopefully won´t keep their stats for long :rolleyes:

The question "But how does statpadding affect you?" made me think, because even though I hate cheating, it couldn´t straight away list how it affected me.

The more direct affects are ofcourse less players on my team, and no chance of a honest gold/silver/bronze medal. That has already been mentioned.

But I think the more serious issue is that it can ruin the entire game. Already it is not unusual for me to see 2-3 people doing the most common statpad.

New players will see this, and either join the stat padders, or leave in disgust.
If a game gets a reputation for being full of cheaters, it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy because serious/honest players will avoid it.

[some1one]

It is still messing up the stat system.
It's not that your using the guns, it's that your putting an ammo hub down while you use them.

[Unnamed Assailant]

God, I had to poke and prod for a direct answer to this. This right here is why the stat system has f*cked up this series. Would anyone in their right mind throw an ammo hub on the ground if it didn't help the team and didn't help them get e-penis points? No. It isn't fun.
What IS fun is getting and using the unlocks. By making the use of the best toys dependent on stats they have guaranteed that people will do stupid, useless sh*t to get points so they can get the cool unlocks. "Messing up the stat system?" Who REALLY cares.
Hell in THIS game they opened themselves up to padding on a whole new level. You can't even get a defrib without using an unlock. Something people felt was a basic part of the kit and game was made an unlock. Expect padding to continue forever until the game dies, the padders get their unlocks, or they do away with stats so everyone can play with all the toys from the beginning.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

What IS fun is getting and using the unlocks. By making the use of the best toys dependent on stats they have guaranteed that people will do stupid, useless sh*t to get points so they can get the cool unlocks. "Messing up the stat system?" Who REALLY cares.
Hell in THIS game they opened themselves up to padding on a whole new level. You can't even get a defrib without using an unlock. Something people felt was a basic part of the kit and game was made an unlock. Expect padding to continue forever until the game dies, the padders get their unlocks, or they do away with stats so everyone can play with all the toys from the beginning.

Look at how easy it is to rank up in this game though. You can have an entire kit unlocked in a few days time. You can get the defibrilators in 40 points if you want them. 40 points is a couple of rounds, tops.

Yes getting unlocks is fun and that's why they are a reward for scoring lots of points but that's not an excuse to do whatever you want just to get more points.

As for messing up the stat system, it's fun to compare yourself to the best in the world and see how you stack up but it's meaningless if they best in the world has 10k or 20k of artificial points (this is just an example, I'm not saying the current #1 fits this description). Some people don't care to compare themselves to anyone at all, but other people do and simply because you don't want to compare yourself doesn't mean stat padding is ok.

[fire@will]

Well said VT Nerd

[RevRen|Sloth]

I believe stat padding doesnt affects u in anyway. If the are bold enough to go in a 64 man server and have 3-4 players of in the corner padding, I think is some bs and they should be banned from the server. Who cares about points and medals ect.... Getting all those unlocks is just a PERSONAL gain for u and u only. So who cares how everyone else gets there unlocks, whether it be ownin or cheatin, its all for personal gain.

[Vreki]

God, I had to poke and prod for a direct answer to this. This right here is why the stat system has f*cked up this series. Would anyone in their right mind throw an ammo hub on the ground if it didn't help the team and didn't help them get e-penis points? No. It isn't fun.

You are not much of a teamplayer, are you? Its not all about who kills the enemy, other actions can be equally valuable, and deserving of points.



What IS fun is getting and using the unlocks. By making the use of the best toys dependent on stats they have guaranteed that people will do stupid, useless sh*t to get points so they can get the cool unlocks. "Messing up the stat system?" Who REALLY cares.
Hell in THIS game they opened themselves up to padding on a whole new level. You can't even get a defrib without using an unlock.

Like it or not, a lot of people like to see some progress in the game, it is what keeps them interested in the long term. This is no different form BF2.
The "New Toy" factor will quickly wear off if all toys are available at day one.



Something people felt was a basic part of the kit and game was made an unlock. Expect padding to continue forever until the game dies, the padders get their unlocks, or they do away with stats so everyone can play with all the toys from the beginning.

I don´t see how this is any different from BF2, which appears to be doing quite well.

And those basic parts you talk about, what are they? Defib,RDX,Grenades?
You only need 200 points to get the first 4 unlocks, I think you will be able to cover the basic parts with that.

I seems you just have a problem with having to work for a reward, in which case you are playing the wrong game.

[yoshi1337]

stat padding is something in this game that EVERY class can do. Some class's can do it easier then others, and some methods don't even require a certain class. It's just the way the game is designed and one might say its common sense not to take advantage of it, but there is NO offical rules against it, and the fact is everyone is doing this to a degree.

To be fair to all the 400,000+ players either everyone should be let off the hook and have the bugs patched, or the whole system should reset to ground zero. Either way its EA/DICE's fault for the glitches, these are not 3rd party programs/cheats everyone doing this is playing the game just how it was made.

In the end we will all reach the same rank so who really cares, just some people get there faster, and if you truely do get there honestly you will feel better about yourself (well maybe not, id rather just get 3k points in 1 round and gain 4 ranks but hey guess thats just me)

*cough* maybe some offical ROE rules and some bug patching should be a priority... these scores will only keep going up!

(you can't blame the players, blame the designers)

just my opinion

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

...It's just the way the game is designed and one might say its common sense not to take advantage of it, but there is NO offical rules against it, and the fact is everyone is doing this to a degree....

There is an official rule against it, so don't do it. Peoples' stats got reset all the time in BF2 for stat padding, why do you think 2142 will be any different? Obviously it's easy to spot the person with 10k un-earned points, but not so easy to spot the guy who only has 50 or 100 just by looking at stats.

Nevertheless, some screenshots and FRAPS evidence or BR evidence will go a long way toward a stat reset regardless of if you got 5 points for doing something or 500.

[Vreki]

stat padding is something in this game that EVERY class can do. Some class's can do it easier then others, and some methods don't even require a certain class. It's just the way the game is designed and one might say its common sense not to take advantage of it, but there is NO offical rules against it, and the fact is everyone is doing this to a degree.

BZZZZZZZT. Wrong. Go directly to score=0.

From bfroe:


3.2.1 Players may not use or exploit game mechanisms to artificially boost their score ("stats padding") and Server administrators may not knowingly allow or encourage this activity on their servers



To be fair to all the 400,000+ players either everyone should be let off the hook and have the bugs patched, or the whole system should reset to ground zero. Either way its EA/DICE's fault for the glitches, these are not 3rd party programs/cheats everyone doing this is playing the game just how it was made.

In the end we will all reach the same rank so who really cares, just some people get there faster, and if you truely do get there honestly you will feel better about yourself (well maybe not, id rather just get 3k points in 1 round and gain 4 ranks but hey guess thats just me)


Basically you opinion is that if a crime is not impossible to commit, then it is OK? And any blame should fall on those who failed to make it impossible?

You are a strange (and scary) kid.




you can't blame the players, blame the designers


You can bet I can blame the cheaters.

[yoshi1337]

There is an official rule against it, so don't do it. Peoples' stats got reset all the time in BF2 for stat padding, why do you think 2142 will be any different? Obviously it's easy to spot the person with 10k un-earned points, but not so easy to spot the guy who only has 50 or 100 just by looking at stats.

Nevertheless, some screenshots and FRAPS evidence or BR evidence will go a long way toward a stat reset regardless of if you got 5 points for doing something or 500.


this is where you are wrong, this is not BF2, this is BF2142 and there is NO RULE AGAINST IT.

Please show me otherwise, it didn't say jack to me when i installed the game or in the game manual or on the bfroe site or the EA site all it ever said was hi were EA we want ingame AD's money here have some spyware disclaimer.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

this is where you are wrong, this is not BF2, this is BF2142 and there is NO RULE AGAINST IT.

Please show me otherwise, it didn't say jack to me when i installed the game or in the game manual or on the bfroe site or the EA site all it ever said was hi were EA we want ingame AD's money here have some spyware disclaimer.

I think BFROE members and moderators at this forum have stated multiple times that the BF2 ROE is in effect for 2142 until a 2142 ROE is drafted and adopted. Since the master server is still down, I will attempt to find one of these posts for you.

To quote the BF2 ROE,

§1.8 Players may not use or exploit game mechanisms to artificially boost their score ("stats padding") and Server administrators may not knowingly allow or encourage this activity on their servers.

and EA (this quote taken from www.bfroe.com)

Should you come under the microscope and have stats that were dishonestly obtained you are likely to be wiped. It is a fairly unforgiving system, but it's a must to keep up with the demand.

it's pretty clear that stat padding is not allowed. If you don't want to believe me, that's your prerogative but I'm certainly not wrong.

[Vreki]

this is where you are wrong, this is not BF2, this is BF2142 and there is NO RULE AGAINST IT.

Please show me otherwise, it didn't say jack to me when i installed the game or in the game manual or on the bfroe site or the EA site all it ever said was hi were EA we want ingame AD's money here have some spyware disclaimer.

If you been to the BFROE site, I´m sure you have seen this?

the BF2 ROE is in effect for 2142, they are going to mod it for 2142

So the people who administer the ROE believes that the BF2 ROE are in effect for BF2142. And since they are the people who will be judging you:


"Oh, it's bad luck to be you ... diddly doo."

[yoshi1337]

I think BFROE members and moderators at this forum have stated multiple times that the BF2 ROE is in effect for 2142 until a 2142 ROE is drafted and adopted. Since the master server is still down, I will attempt to find one of these posts for you.

To quote the BF2 ROE,



and EA (this quote taken from www.bfroe.com)



it's pretty clear that stat padding is not allowed. If you don't want to believe me, that's your prerogative but I'm certainly not wrong.


i have never seen an offical statement and just because some dude on a forum says its offical i don't take he/shes word until i see it on EA or BFROE and it mentions BF2142 at/in some clause.

You can't just make an entire new game and say oh yeah btw all the old rules from the game we released 2 years ago apply to this one didn't u see the post by joeblow.

It should be all over the EA News ticker and stuff. They make no effort to post rules clearly to all users why should anyone make an effort to go out of their way to see if they are playing the game they way daddy tells us to play it.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

i have never seen an offical statement and just because some dude on a forum says its offical i don't take he/shes word until i see it on EA or BFROE and it mentions BF2142 at/in some clause.

You can't just make an entire new game and say oh yeah btw all the old rules from the game we released 2 years ago apply to this one didn't u see the post by joeblow.

It should be all over the EA News ticker and stuff. They make no effort to post rules clearly to all users why should anyone make an effort to go out of their way to see if they are playing the game they way daddy tells us to play it.

EA never had a popup message about the BF2 ROE either although I think everyone who knows about the BF2 ROE thinks they should have. The ROE guys don't actually reset anyone's stats, they just collect evidence and submit it to EA. EA says "yup that guy's stats were dishonestly obtained, time to zero him out."

The "some dude on a forum" is [MyIS]IndianScout, aka the guy who helped write the BF2 ROE and the guy that helps run BFROE. If you need further proof go to www.bfroe.com and see for yourself on their front page that "Please make all Battlefield 2142 reports on the BFROE forums, until the reporting system is updated." If the fact that they are accepting reports for 2142 ROE infractions doesn't drive the point home then I don't think anything will.

Go ahead and stat pad, take a Battlerecorder video and a FRAPS video along with some screenshots. Send all that information to EA and see what happens.

[Vreki]

The "some dude on a forum" is [MyIS]IndianScout, aka the guy who helped write the BF2 ROE and the guy that helps run BFROE. If you need further proof go to www.bfroe.com and see for yourself on their front page that "Please make all Battlefield 2142 reports on the BFROE forums, until the reporting system is updated." If the fact that they are accepting reports for 2142 ROE infractions doesn't drive the point home then I don't think anything will.


Direct link to the bfroe thread. (http://www.bfroe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857)

[Dacster]

The ROE for BF2 is in effect for 2142 until the new ROE is released. Please note that we will follow through will all reports submitted on our site www.bfroe.com or by PM.

[Bahraini_Killer]

this stat padding issue is really pain in the butt...

I have seen many things since I joined BF2142 and one of them was two players having a score of 2100 or something in one round I donno how they did that if it is a hack or stat padding.

I said it before back in BF2 forum that this game would be one of the best if players actually follow the decent rule and main idea of the game by teaming up and each has it's own command to follow, only then the game would be interesting and joyful.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

Direct link to the bfroe thread. (http://www.bfroe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857)

Would you mind copying and pasting any relevant posts from that thread. The BFROE forums require registration which I haven't done yet and I suspect plenty of other people are not registered there either.

[Sneaky Assassin]

Does the ROE apply to a bf2142 ranked server as well??

Sorry if the question is stupid....

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[FPS[VT_NERD]]

Sneaky are you quoting the BFROE forum post or asking a question?

If you're asking a question then yes the BF2 ROE applies to ranked 2142 servers as well as players playin on those ranked 2142 servers. If you're not asking a question, then nevermind.

[Rogue Warrior]

Stat padders........ They can go F$ck off.

Nice to know you have to act like a baby to get ahead off everyone else

[Sneaky Assassin]

Sneaky are you quoting the BFROE forum post or asking a question?

If you're asking a question then yes the BF2 ROE applies to ranked 2142 servers as well as players playin on those ranked 2142 servers. If you're not asking a question, then nevermind.

You asked for a copy of relevant posts from thread on BFROE?

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

You asked for a copy of relevant posts from thread on BFROE?

Yes I did, sorry. I was just having a bit of a hard time making sense of it all. Thank you.

[Vreki]

That hurt my eyes Sneaky :)

Does the ROE apply to a bf2142 ranked server as well??

Sorry if the question is stupid....

I do believe a ROE has been written for 2142 but don't know if it is ready for use.

the BF2 ROE is in effect for 2142, they are going to mod it for 2142

In all honesty you cannot apply the BF2 ROE to BF2142 as it is a completely different game. When the BF2142 Official ROE comes out, THEN you can (try to) enforce your rules..

Until then it is free reign..

your very incorrect,
<Internal stuff removed>



These are the important parts.

[lightningmaster]

I feal sorry stat padder's:rolleyes:

Stat padder's seem to think that haveing a high score/rank is some kind of uber leetness when infact it shows you need to PAD to get those high rank's thus making you a **** player:evil:


I have nearly 3500 points not many i know but i got them through playing fairly and putting the time and effort in to get them:evil:


I love the challenge of this game as well as all challenges I face in LIFE!!!

Life is full of them and I grow through them! (Get Stronger)

ANYONE who has to utilize EA's lack of doing it right simply is a cheater and as long as it is not messing with my gaming experience...well you get the picture...I let them slide through like they do in their life as it will eventually CATCH up with them!

Now...I don't believe in hunting them down...though if I am using the Titan guns to defend a silo then I will for sure blow their supply crate they have just left buy me!!!

Now in the next patch...if EA wants to make it so suppling the Titan guns is actually a legit way to get supply points then I am all for it!!!

I have screen shots of many an exploiter!

[Sneaky Assassin]

LOL sorry I was being very lazy:D

[looqas]

If all they would do was stat padding for the rest of their 2142 careers I wouldn't be bothered too much. It's just that people pad to get the unfair advantage via unlocks quickly and then start playing that peeves me off. Well they do take space from the server. The problem in titan (where the padders really are) is that you can't kill them unless they are in your team. And I find it difficult to tk them and hurt my score/get the tk limit kick closer for that.

[{MG}St0rM]

who cares about stat padders its the reatards who drop the tranports into the ground that are the problem.I mean really who wants to spawn and then die again?

[Sir. bzb]

EA are the only people who can set the ROE for this game.

Can one of the BFROE guys point us to the relevant EA statement concerning the application of the BF2 roe to 2142, i cant find it.

[Chiron]

Stat padders are generally not good at playing the game because in all the playtime they are stat padding they have to do a repetitive action to get points and not learn how to play the game. Sure they may have the leet unlocks, but then they will be MASSIVELY behind the curve against all the players who have refined their game play skills. Eventually the cream of the crop will rise to the top of the leaderboards just from sheer skill.

[Cronos]

Frell the padders'

[sniperghost666]

I believe stat padding doesnt affects u in anyway. If the are bold enough to go in a 64 man server and have 3-4 players of in the corner padding, I think is some bs and they should be banned from the server. Who cares about points and medals ect.... Getting all those unlocks is just a PERSONAL gain for u and u only. So who cares how everyone else gets there unlocks, whether it be ownin or cheatin, its all for personal gain.

THAT was well said!! and why do people put their pc specs on their posts??

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

EA are the only people who can set the ROE for this game.

Can one of the BFROE guys point us to the relevant EA statement concerning the application of the BF2 roe to 2142, i cant find it.

EA never made an announcement concerning the application of the BF2 ROE to BF2 AFAIK, so I don't think there is any such statement which says the BF2 ROE applies to 2142.

No such statement needs to exist for the system to be valid b/c BFROE does not actually reset anyone. They simply gather evidence and when they feel there is sufficient evidence for an infraction that warrants a stat reset, they send the information to EA and EA decides for themselves if the player being reported needs their stats reset. When EA resets a player reported for violating the ROE, it is further validation of the ROE.

To put it another way, if the ROE was never created and you had specific evidence of a player stat padding, that evidence would still have the potential to get the player's stats reset if you reported it directly to EA.

[sniperghost666]

Stat padders........ They can go F$ck off.

Nice to know you have to act like a baby to get ahead off everyone else

yeah i have a one and a half year old son and all he does all day long is stat pad. and i keep telling him "son it's not fair to stat pad just to get ahead of everyone else." but what do ya do???

the simple fact is that 90% of the stat padders do it for the unlocks because they don't care about rank or about medals, it's about the unlocks, period. and i dont care and i don't hold it aginst them. as far as being a "fair game" and it being over run with cheaters, stat padding isn't cheating. so for all of you who care so much about ranks and medals and pins and badges, go and join the army and don't pretend to be a soldier in a game. and yes i was in the army. like i said when i started the thread, it's just a game and it shouldnt be taken so seroiusly. get on, play, have fun, and get off. don't lose sleep over stat padders is my opinion. and as for people who report people to EA thats just a fu@#*#$ joke

[Vreki]

the simple fact is that 90% of the stat padders do it for the unlocks because they don't care about rank or about medals, it's about the unlocks, period. and i dont care and i don't hold it aginst them.



If its a fact then Im sure you wont mind providing us with proof?
Otherwise please don´t confuse your opinion with facts.


as far as being a "fair game" and it being over run with cheaters, stat padding isn't cheating.

Breaking the rules = cheating. And we have provided proof that statpadding is against the BFROE.




so for all of you who care so much about ranks and medals and pins and badges, go and join the army and don't pretend to be a soldier in a game. and yes i was in the army.

The why do you play a game about soldiers earning ranks and medals?
Maybe it is you who is missing the point of the game?





like i said when i started the thread, it's just a game and it shouldnt be taken so seroiusly. get on, play, have fun, and get off. don't lose sleep over stat padders is my opinion. and as for people who report people to EA thats just a fu@#*#$ joke

It comes as no surprise that rulebreakers don´t think that they should be reported.
Let me ask you this:

1) Do you statpad?
2) Would you care to provided your BF2142 name so it can be verified?

[Talus]

Guys...you can discuss stat padding but ANYBODY who posts HOW to exploit, will earn themselves a ban.

I had to delete a ton of posts because they all contained info on how to perform exploits.

And people wonder why we close threads like this early :rolleyes:

[sniperghost666]

not everyone who plays a BF game is as anal retentive as a few of the poters in here. the simple fact is that it is a game. everyone who complains about stat padding, what is your goal for the game? to be able to go to the parties or bars, walk up to some chick and say, "hey baby i'm a supreme commander in bf2142, yeah thats right...wanna go back to my place and watch me play? " now i don't like obvious cheating, like wall glitches but padding is an EA mistake and if anyone wants to ***** about it, call up EA and tell them to fix it, im sure they'll get right on it.

[Talus]

Your argument makes no sense...

People who STAT PAD seem to care about high ranks and scores...
-hey babe, I get the highest score by any means necessary :evil:

People who are against stat padding care about fairness.
-hey babe, I'm actually a nice guy :D

[Sneaky Assassin]

what is your goal for the game? to be able to go to the parties or bars, walk up to some chick and say, "hey baby i'm a supreme commander in bf2142, yeah thats right...wanna go back to my place and watch me play?

Why wouldn't that work? I sure every lady would crowd round you for that, perhaps even get a t shirt made up?

[sniperghost666]

and my name on 2142 is sniperghost666, look it up, i don't care. like i said in an earlier post i stat padded a few times, i was just curious how many "leet ubers" or whatever you guys call yourselves would flame up the thread complaining about it. and whats gonna happen if my name gets erased??? WHATEVER WILL I DO????????? i guess i'll go out buy another copy and play some more. i don't glitch and i don't "cheat" i don't care what the BFROE says. it's their game and they should learn how to program a game and for all you guys who do stat pad on a regular basis, add me to your buddy list, id like to have some opinions on the cool unlocks you guys get.

[sniperghost666]

Your argument makes no sense...

People who STAT PAD seem to care about high ranks and scores...
-hey babe, I get the highest score by any means necessary :evil:

People who are against stat padding care about fairness.
-hey babe, I'm actually a nice guy :D

Talus if you knew anything about women you would know that nice guys finish last, not my rules buddy thats just how it is. and my arguement makes perfect sense. if you go to a bar and talk about video games to a chick she's going to pee her pants laughing at you as she's walking back over to my table.

[sniperghost666]

Why wouldn't that work? I sure every lady would crowd round you for that, perhaps even get a t shirt made up?

LOL, sneaky, i've gotten several shirts

[Talus]

Again, your argument is making no sense. Nice guys don't go around bragging about anything...it's the jerks that do.

If this is a 'jocks' vs 'nerds' thing ... then nerds will rule the world.

I am a 'nice guy' and had absolutely no problems with the ladies when I was younger and have now been happily married for years.

Nice guys may APPEAR to finish last, but we get your girl in the end ;)

Thanks for clearing up what type of a guy you think you are...I met guys like you when I was in school...I laugh at them now :laugh:

[Vreki]

I will take that as a "yes, I do stat pad"

That doesn´t mean that any arguments you come up with should be disregarded, but those of the form "Everybody does it" and "It should not be reported" wont hold much water with you opponents

, what is your goal for the game?

I taken the liberty of selecting the only non-rant part of your reply.

My goal is to have fun within the rules of the game, without being a pain to other players.

But I like to have some kind of ingame goal to strive for, which is why I like the system with different awards and unlocks.

The "Gimme now now" players are not the kind I want to play with, they tend to be rather asocial, as can be seen from some of the postings in this thread.

[sniperghost666]

Again, your argument is making no sense. Nice guys don't go around bragging about anything...it's the jerks that do.

If this is a 'jocks' vs 'nerds' thing ... then nerds will rule the world.

I am a 'nice guy' and had absolutely no problems with the ladies when I was younger and have now been happily married for years.

Nice guys may APPEAR to finish last, but we get your girl in the end ;)

Thanks for clearing up what type of a guy you think you are...I met guys like you when I was in school...I laugh at them now :laugh:

no, talus, they don't get the girl in the end, thats just in the movies buddy. and i'm a nice guy too, and i'm married. but whiners just get on my nerves. anyone whos going to take time out of their life to report someone for stat padding needs to readjust their thinking. and take, real life, not video game life more seriously. and i met guys like you in highschool too, they were the snitches, and nobody likes a rat. if someone is stat padding and it affects you that much, go to another server. and if theres a stat padder on that server, go hang out with your wife that you got because you were "a nice guy". and don't believe everything you see in revenge of the nerds okay LOL<------ and yes i really laughed out loud when i typed this

[Vreki]

no, talus, they don't get the girl in the end, thats just in the movies buddy. and i'm a nice guy too, and i'm married. but whiners just get on my nerves. anyone whos going to take time out of their life to report someone for stat padding needs to readjust their thinking. and take, real life, not video game life more seriously. and i met guys like you in highschool too, they were the snitches, and nobody likes a rat. if someone is stat padding and it affects you that much, go to another server. and if theres a stat padder on that server, go hang out with your wife that you got because you were "a nice guy". and don't believe everything you see in revenge of the nerds okay LOL<------ and yes i really laughed out loud when i typed this

Really, take a look at your own postings: Nerds,snitchs,rats, cant get girls etc.

For one who hates whining you seem to do an awfull lot.

[Talus]

Let the baby have his bottle ;)

Let's leave him alone guys.

Let's see if we can't get this thread back on track...tenuous as it is.

[Hathegkla]

they just need to patch the thing and be over with it. so many people are getting pussyhurt over this. sure I've done it once or twice just for the hell of it but it does get annoying when people are just sitting by the guns the entire game not even bothering to aim when I could be actually killing people with the titan guns. I love manning the titan guns and blowing up tanks or amv's/btr's trying to board our titan. and I just don’t want to have to get punished for TKing some douche hoggn the guns for resupply points.

[sniperghost666]

dude your thought process baffles me. YOU started the nerd thing. YOU probaly report people. and yes, YOU were probaly lucky to get any kind of female companion. YOU whine about stat padders. so yes that makes YOU a whining, snitching, self proclaimed nerd. it's not my fault dude. don't take out your frustrations on me. i didnt start the name calling or the "jocks and nerds" comparison. im not a jock or a nerd. i just enjoy playing a game where people don't cry about what other people do. my kid does that and it would appear that you do too.

[CharminXtra]

I had some guy sayin he was from EA last night sayin I was stat paddin by poddin to the back of my titan and knifing people. He said he was gonna wipe my stats and was basically being a total ***hole to everyone. He kept tellin people he was gonna wipe their stats. Thats what bothers me. And especially considering the fact that I only had about 40 points.

[sniperghost666]

they just need to patch the thing and be over with it. so many people are getting pussyhurt over this. sure I've done it once or twice just for the hell of it but it does get annoying when people are just sitting by the guns the entire game not even bothering to aim when I could be actually killing people with the titan guns. I love manning the titan guns and blowing up tanks or amv's/btr's trying to board our titan. and I just don’t want to have to get punished for TKing some douche hoggn the guns for resupply points.

see, thats what im talking about. if im aiming the guns at a base that the enemy has, and i happen to make a few extra points off of it whats the big deal? i'll tell ya what the big deal is.....Talus would be in there saying "hey thats aginst the BFROE" and initiate a kick vote. all the while probaly getting some false sense of "video game justice" and i don't just mean you Talus, i mean all of the whiners out there. heres a scenario:
Wife or G/F or Mother-- "hey honey, how was your 4 hour gaming expirence?"
Talus (or any other whiner out there)-- "oh it was okay. i did bust 134 stat padders though, yeah i just reported them to EA, i know it'll never stop but hey i did a good deed and thats what matters. Ha Ha i bet they never do THAT again, probaly a bunch of jocks anyway......"

[Vreki]

Let the baby have his bottle ;)

Let's leave him alone guys.

Let's see if we can't get this thread back on track...tenuous as it is.

Read the first post in the thread, this is the track :(

Just lock it, there is apparently nothing left here but namecalling

[Samjax]

I could care less about reporting them. I just ban them from our server and if someone wants to BFROE them, go for it. If I spent all my time PB screenshotting and reporting everyone I would never be able to play the game. We are shortly going to find out what the upper limit for the banlist is.

[sniperghost666]

I had some guy sayin he was from EA last night sayin I was stat paddin by poddin to the back of my titan and knifing people. He said he was gonna wipe my stats and was basically being a total ***hole to everyone. He kept tellin people he was gonna wipe their stats. Thats what bothers me. And especially considering the fact that I only had about 40 points.

yeah ALL games have those kind of gamers in them. people on power trips is what it seems like to me. who cares and thanks for the idea dude, i think it's really creative and it seems to work. and thats what war is all about it's about killing as many people as you can without getting killed, nice job!!

[Sneaky Assassin]

I had some guy sayin he was from EA last night sayin I was stat paddin by poddin to the back of my titan and knifing people. He said he was gonna wipe my stats and was basically being a total ***hole to everyone. He kept tellin people he was gonna wipe their stats. Thats what bothers me. And especially considering the fact that I only had about 40 points.


There are tags that [EA] and [DICE] use if they don't have those tags they aren't from EA or DICE

[sniperghost666]

Read the first post in the thread, this is the track :(

Just lock it, there is apparently nothing left here but namecalling

uh oh time to lock it up guys :cry: well it was fun while it lasted. to all those stat padding, have fun just dont get too carried away with it. see all of you on the battlefield and seriously Talus, add me, id like to see what you can do. sorry if i offended you but id like to go a few games with ya. my name is sniperghost666, and i promise i won't even think about stat padding while we're playing each other :)

[BIFF EXPLODER]

My stat padding opinion is:

if there is a ranking system, it has to be followed, if its not followed it might as well be removed.

[Hathegkla]

see, thats what im talking about. if im aiming the guns at a base that the enemy has, and i happen to make a few extra points off of it whats the big deal? i'll tell ya what the big deal is.....Talus would be in there saying "hey thats aginst the BFROE" and initiate a kick vote. all the while probaly getting some false sense of "video game justice" and i don't just mean you Talus, i mean all of the whiners out there. heres a scenario:
Wife or G/F or Mother-- "hey honey, how was your 4 hour gaming expirence?"
Talus (or any other whiner out there)-- "oh it was okay. i did bust 134 stat padders though, yeah i just reported them to EA, i know it'll never stop but hey i did a good deed and thats what matters. Ha Ha i bet they never do THAT again, probaly a bunch of jocks anyway......"

yeah I agree. if I'm manning the guns and happen to have the support kit I'll throw down an ammo box, its not like there isnt already another one there anyway. the only thing that really pisses me off is when people are sitting there the whole round not helping the team out and hogging the guns. if theres nobody to shoot I'll cap a silo or defend the titan.

[Sir Robin]

Other than the blatant exploitation, what do you guys define as stat padding?

Seems like a lot of people that complain about stat padding are a bunch of whiny fags. Just like noobs that get owned too much accuse everybody of hacking, anybody that gets silver in a round thinks the guy with gold is stat padding.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[Vreki]

uh oh time to lock it up guys :cry: well it was fun while it lasted. to all those stat padding, have fun just dont get too carried away with it. see all of you on the battlefield and seriously Talus, add me, id like to see what you can do. sorry if i offended you but id like to go a few games with ya. my name is sniperghost666, and i promise i won't even think about stat padding while we're playing each other :)

Apparently the mods still think this thread has merit.
I have now been able to get into BFHQ, and I can see that a quarter of your points are from resupplies. Giving that you mostly play support I cannot understand why you are risking 28 hours of work and your reputation just to get a little bit quicker to the next rank.

[Robot_Chicken]

The only way to tell a real stat padder is when you notice they have like forty or fifty points with no kills or deaths. Those that complain as mentioned before are usually honest players who wanted to acheive the gold but never will with a stat padder on the loose.

[simjay]

stat-padding?

[[MyIS]Steve]

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[Robot_Chicken]

Ultimately whoever fixs this stat padding issue will have eternal thanks

[LahLahSr]

Don't blame the padders - exploiting weaknesses for fast easy gain instad of putting in the effort and creating value as you do so, is an integral part of human nature and it's often replicated in capitalist societies (daytraders, currency arbitrage, insider trading, the mob, etc. etc.).

Expecting that players can be self-regulating as a community is naive to the point of blatant idiocy.

Instead, blame the designers, implementers and the quality assurance people who let this monumental and EASILY discovered exploit pass through the development cycle of this game.

Blame the developers and project managers who let slip through their fingers and berate them for not acknolwedging the colossal irony that a game that is so utterly and completely founded on accumulating INDIVIDUAL points, has such a monumental exploit-potential.

[colony]

Well I think it can simply be fixed by two things. Almost all padding I see is done by support players.

Put a limit on how much supply points, repair points and heal points you can get in a round. Just like there is a limit on certain pins you can get per round so they cant be over exploited. Titan guns shouldnt need to be reloaded.

Problem solved.

[chickenFOX]

Stat padding sucks. Don't do it.

[LahLahSr]

Well I think it can simply be fixed by two things. Almost all padding I see is done by support players.

Put a limit on how much supply points, repair points and heal points you can get in a round. Just like there is a limit on certain pins you can get per round so they cant be over exploited. Titan guns shouldnt need to be reloaded.

Problem solved.

I don't think it's al ALL fair to throw healing and repair in with the support-players stat-padding.

I've played Engineer for many hours and getting repair points takes active work - there's no dropping magic boxes anywhere. Repairing freindly vehicles or installations can only occur if something is actually damaged, which require the enemy to inflict it. If you inflict damage on your own vehicles, you get penalized.

It's the same with the healing - someone has to be hurt to be healed. And that too requires enemies - if you inflict the damage yourself, you get penalized.

The ammo-padders drop a box and just watch the points roll in - also the VAST majority of these points are awarded because of bad coding that slipped by equally bad test and quality assurance. The amount of points accumulated this way is completely out of proportion and cannot be compared with heal & repair points.

So, you can't at all throw these three support actions together.

[Vreki]

Don't blame the padders - exploiting weaknesses for fast easy gain instad of putting in the effort and creating value as you do so, is an integral part of human nature and it's often replicated in capitalist societies (daytraders, currency arbitrage, insider trading, the mob, etc. etc.).


So don´t blame the mob, blame the police? That doesn´t make sense.

The faults of EA/Dice does not relieve the exploiters of their responsibility to play by the rules.

[LahLahSr]

So don´t blame the mob, blame the police? That doesn´t make sense.

The faults of EA/Dice does not relieve the exploiters of their responsibility to play by the rules.

Well, if you want to be technical about it, blaming the mob doesn't really change anything. If they are immoral enough to do their evil deeds, a little blame from some bystanders is not going to change their ways.

The only thing that works is:
1) Remove the possibility of comitting the crime in question
2) Beef up the police capabilities

Which in-game translates to:
1) Change that game so that the ammo-exploit is no longer possible
2) Beef up the punishes and make examples of the evildoers

...but blaming them? That's not going to accomplish anything. You can't appeal to large groups of people and expect them to fight their human nature.

[Vreki]

Well, if you want to be technical about it, blaming the mob doesn't really change anything. If they are immoral enough to do their evil deeds, a little blame from some bystanders is not going to change their ways.

The only thing that works is:
1) Remove the possibility of comitting the crime in question
2) Beef up the police capabilities

Which in-game translates to:
1) Change that game so that the ammo-exploit is no longer possible
2) Beef up the punishes and make examples of the evildoers

...but blaming them? That's not going to accomplish anything. You can't appeal to large groups of people and expect them to fight their human nature.

Neither will this:


Instead, blame the designers, implementers and the quality assurance people who let this monumental and EASILY discovered exploit pass through the development cycle of this game.


Im not even sure that we disagree?

Of course blaming in itself will not solve anything, but it would seem unfair to punish people if they can not be blamed.

The real discussion here is are they at fault? If yes then your step 2 should be applied.
A faulty system enable them to break the rules, but the same could be said for the mob example, and we still punish them.

But I don´t recall seing any statpadders seriously arguing that the punishment are not strong enough, on the contrary they try to avoid it by claming that they are not at fault (or can´t be blamed)

So the police part seems to be OK.

[sniperghost666]

okay well lastnight, i might have had a slight opinion change. i went into a server and saw two guys in a squad and another guy stat padding somehow. i pressed the tab button to check out my score and to see who all was on my team and these two guys score was already 2000 something points and climbing......WTF?????????? now again as far as the ammo stat goes with the guns on the titan, which is basicly why i started the thread, i still dont care about. but whatever this stat pad is, i dont agree with it and would never do it. i can just see the smirk of satisfaction on your face Talus LOL.

[Sneaky Assassin]

okay well lastnight, i might have had a slight opinion change. i went into a server and saw two guys in a squad and another guy stat padding somehow. i pressed the tab button to check out my score and to see who all was on my team and these two guys score was already 2000 something points and climbing......WTF?????????? now again as far as the ammo stat goes with the guns on the titan, which is basicly why i started the thread, i still dont care about. but whatever this stat pad is, i dont agree with it and would never do it. i can just see the smirk of satisfaction on your face Talus LOL.

I hate to wade in on this, but you cannot say some stat padding is alright but other types isn't, it's hypocritical.

[SurgeY75]

Stat Pading Effects the whole system so why dont EA sort it...

[sniperghost666]

well then put me in with 90% of the human race, which probaly includes you, no offense

[J_Toso]

i've read alot in a few of the other forums about people griping about stat padders. this is the way i see it, if someone wants to spend their time padding, what's the big deal?? it has no effect on my gaming expirence what so ever. this morning i was on the titan trying to attack a base that was right under us. i was using the titan guns of course. some player started shooting at my feet and then typed "no stat padding in here pal". so i started messing with him saying that i could pad if i wanted to. he stood there the ENTIRE GAME and watched me and made sure that i didnt get back on the titan guns. i TK'd him a few times and he punished me of course. but this is the point im getting at, if someone wants to get cheap points by padding why should other players care?? it's in the game and yes it is an exploit. if it's a clan match or something like that i understand, but everyone who complains about it needs to remember something, IT'S A FU@$#@% GAME!!!!!!!!!! now if someone was glitching in walls and killing people, thats another matter. that directly affects everyones gameplay. but padding doesn't. so stop worrying about who's gonna have more points than you and who's a higher rank. post up and give me your opinions.


I'm confused. Why is shooting at a base with guns to kill enemy's considered stat padding? I thought guns were used to kill enemy's.

[Vreki]

I'm confused. Why is shooting at a base with guns to kill enemy's considered stat padding? I thought guns were used to kill enemy's.

It is not, shoot all you want.
We cannot discuss how the statpadding is done, because that will just spread the bad news.

But if you are performing a usefull action, like healing or resupplying a friend, then it is very unlikely that it will fall under statpadding.

The issues I am aware of all involve actions that has no real purpose, except statpadding

[sniperghost666]

I'm confused. Why is shooting at a base with guns to kill enemy's considered stat padding? I thought guns were used to kill enemy's.

well im not going to give the pad away but some people think that if you are a support and you make a few extra points working the guns on titan, it's a pad. some people do abuse it and i can see their point of view, it's just that mine differs. but usually toso, guns are used to kill the enemy lol.

[J_Toso]

well im not going to give the pad away but some people think that if you are a support and you make a few extra points working the guns on titan, it's a pad. some people do abuse it and i can see their point of view, it's just that mine differs. but usually toso, guns are used to kill the enemy lol.

lol. Good, I thought I have been playing wrong all this time.

*Don't shoot the ENEMY!!! Go give him a high five!*

[getdown]

Stat padding : my oppinion

-Who cares, they suck and are easy to kill anyway because all they know how to do is pull out an ammo crate.

Well... that's actually kind of good, because most of the people that play support apperently DONT know how to access their ammo crate.

[Coren]

Stat padding : my oppinion

-Who cares, they suck and are easy to kill anyway because all they know how to do is pull out an ammo crate.

Well... that's actually kind of good, because most of the people that play support apperently DONT know how to access their ammo crate.

I can agree with this. I ran out of ammo on every single one of my weapons on one map, and then chased a support guy around for 5 min spamming "ammo please", and shooting at his feet to get his attention. I finally got fed up and shot him in the back of the head, then revived him, hoping that would work. No, he just punished and ran off again. Right after this point we both died to an orbital, me still with nothing to kill somebody with but my defib and my knife. /sigh.

[SgtGozer]

I've seen a large number of variations of "Stat Padding". What really is stat padding? Where should the line be drawn? I'm asking the question because of being recently banned from this particular server for stat padding. The situation was this. I was for the first time the commander on the server in questioned. We were getting rapped by this walker that I launched an 'Emp Strike' followed by an 'Air Assault', killing the walker! This action was perceived by one player, one player only that I was stat padding. I didn’t get even 15 seconds to defend myself before I was banned from the server. My opinion is that the decision to ban came much too quickly.

I've seen serious STAT Padding on ranked servers by clans that believe they have the right to mess with anyone in anyway to better the clan. I got one particular server that disabled your ability to select weapons. However, all the clan members had their complete arsenals available, clearly stat padding, no?

How about when friendly fire is turned off? Clans often exploit this when capping, taking advantage of active 'Air Strikes'. They rush in on a cap when 'Air Strike' is in progress. They're not getting damage from the air strike, so why not?. If 'FF=0ff' then there should be no 'Commanders', 'Air Strikes', 'Detno Mines', 'Grenades', and 'Armor'. A server that turns friendly fire off in my opinion should not be a ranked server!

By the way admins, when you're are hosting a large server with crazy volume of activity, do you think any of us can see your messages?

[danutz1183]

this thread is almost a year old....

[neefunkage]

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[ihavenoname]

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[MechaManguskahn]

Wow, I am a brig general and pretty much done with BF2142 and I only thought Knife servers were considered stat padding. Resupplying people is considered stat padding? Jeez. I need to get out more...

[kastaldi]

Well, I think that stat-padding is WHY you do thing, not WHAT things you do...

Lately I have to stay on titan guns all the round because my team is around the map taking silos and an engi with his pilum comes into my titan base trying to get the titan guns pin by destroying four/eight of them. After that, it comes an APC or a transport waiting for the shield to fall and you know what happens next... So someone needs to kill that guy, blow up that APC and take down that transport and NOBODY wants to stay on the titan but me if the commander doesn't move titan near silos because it's boring and you don't get all the easy kills you would get. Two times I was kicked by an admin because i was doing "nothing". How you call call that ? Stat padding ? Yes, few easy kills, maybe best kill streak (rarely) but I think it helps winning.

What I have to do if I am the only one to defend titan consoles when the shield goes down because my team is late ? I camp a corridor and do whatever I can to stop the enemy. No support available, I throw two grenades, drop some APM, lay a RDX and cross my fingers. Maybe I can easily kill some guys before they get at the console but I think it helps winning too.

[danutz1183]

sittin on titan guns is noob. you can kill and not be killed. my titan server is one of those rare "free movement" titan servers. that allows movement. i kick tons of people that jump camp on the titan guns. your not helping your team sitting there. maybe if you did it once or twice and then moved on it would be a different story.

[XxSTAM1NAxX]

I can agree with this. I ran out of ammo on every single one of my weapons on one map, and then chased a support guy around for 5 min spamming "ammo please", and shooting at his feet to get his attention. I finally got fed up and shot him in the back of the head, then revived him, hoping that would work. No, he just punished and ran off again. Right after this point we both died to an orbital, me still with nothing to kill somebody with but my defib and my knife. /sigh.
Here's the deal if there is no other Support Soldier or Ammo Crate close to you:
TK your fellow Support Soldier. Grab his kit and drop the Ammo Crate. Take back your kit and revive the lucky bastard. You will get punished and you should be prepared to TK him again if he intends to shoot you. Shoot him again. I did this once or twice when I ran completely out of Ammo and the guy ignored me even if I was lying in front of him screaming for ammunition.

[ICE*T]

Here's the deal if there is no other Support Soldier or Ammo Crate close to you:
TK your fellow Support Soldier. Grab his kit and drop the Ammo Crate. Take back your kit and revive the lucky bastard. You will get punished and you should be prepared to TK him again if he intends to shoot you. Shoot him again. I did this once or twice when I ran completely out of Ammo and the guy ignored me even if I was lying in front of him screaming for ammunition.

lol I hope you told the guy why you teamkilled his moronic *** ..on the topic of stat padders I didnt realise sitting on titan guns or nade spamming was considered padding..both lame yes...like the emp pad..some bloke was boasting about it last night ...106 points and 1 death...I asked him if he gets bored the whole round ? he was like dude my wrists aching...his team lost about 10 rounds in a row (8 v 8 titan mode) Id rather work towards my war college ribbon and will do anything I can to make my team win....(within the rules.)

[Digital-Boy]

Some people talk about knife and pistol servers, and that much I really don't care about. If a guy tries to show off his uber stats and his favorite weapon is BJ-2, are you really going to take his numbers seriously? Also, those kinds of players are sequestered in their own servers, so they don't affect gameplay at all. The only thing they do is undermine the "meaning" of the stat system, which if you're trying to use to show how good or bad someone is, is meaningless in the first place.

As for stat padders on normal servers, I can understand getting frustrated at that because a person dedicated only to points is one less person on your team that's trying to win.

[Wizrdwarts]

I don't care. If they do it on a normal server, my only annoyance is that those slots could be filled with "real" players, though most of my team sucks so it doesn't matter anyways. In K/P servers, I really don't care, and if they want to do it on their server, why should I care? Maybe I would send in a report, but what they're doing isn't affecting me. Sure the knife leaderboards, but does anyone here care about their stats so much?

[n00bs4brkfst]

I got to the very top without statpadding.

Apparently some people are too lazy so they have to statpad.

I have never statpadded.

Of course as high as my scores are, I don't really need to stat pad. And I have absolutely no respect for any1 who stat pads!!!

[SonicPixel]

I don't understand how people keep saying that using the Titan guns is padding... That makes no sense to me. Sure, they are safe and sound, but "padding"? Come on.

[Digital-Boy]

I don't understand how people keep saying that using the Titan guns is padding... That makes no sense to me. Sure, they are safe and sound, but "padding"? Come on.

I think there was a way you could get resupply points by "re-arming" a weapon that already had infinite ammo, thereby getting resupply points without effectively resupplying anything. It sounds like what the TC is talking about, but I thought they removed that in a patch.

[Erhardt]

I got to the very top without statpadding.

Apparently some people are too lazy so they have to statpad.

I have never statpadded.

Of course as high as my scores are, I don't really need to stat pad.
*Groan*

Don't forget your astounding modesty, either... :rolleyes:

Does a day go by, Noobs, where you don't beat your chest about how awesome you are? It's getting old. I'd like to take your posts more seriously, but every other one I seem to happen across is just more self-congratulatory aggrandizement.

[Wizrdwarts]

Before the first patch, laying down a ammo box next to a titan gun got you resupply points iirc.

[Erhardt]

Yeah, I remember when the game first came out Support guys were dumping boxes all over the gun stations on the titan, which really struck me as odd at the time until I found out just WHY they did it. LOL... all those supply hubs crammed around there made it look like an under-the-stairs junk closet, heh heh.

[ihavenoname]

Statpadding: No Skill, No Life. Just look at KAIN and MOST of the supreme commanders.

[Conv1ct]

Statpadding: No Skill, No Life. Just look at KAIN and MOST of the supreme commanders.

I don't support stat padding. Oh no, I am very against it. Still, lets keep the no life things out of this. Stop being so ignorant. Just cause someone has high stats or so doesn't mean they have no life. You don't know them, don't act like you do. KAIN is AFK in his server anyway. Who knows? Maybe he is out somewhere having a life! :mad:

[n00bs4brkfst]

*Groan*

Don't forget your astounding modesty, either... :rolleyes:

Does a day go by, Noobs, where you don't beat your chest about how awesome you are? It's getting old. I'd like to take your posts more seriously, but every other one I seem to happen across is just more self-congratulatory aggrandizement.


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Now usually my post consist of how great I am,(In jest of course), but this one I was trying to be serious.


I noticed that not ONE person called him out on this.:shakehead: So I was wondering am I the ONLY person who hasn't stat padded????

Is every1 else's perception so skewed that they say nothing to a person who admits to stat padding??? Not only this but they DEFEND him by saying that the ranking system is "flawed", so therefore it's OK for him to stat pad.

[SurgeY75]

If they were attacking the silo below why didnt you just pod down and kill him?Insted of sitting on titan guns, and team killing this dude!

I play alot of titan and i hate people who always camp titan guns,does my fing brain in!
Get of the seat and help a squad,it may help the team win..

[Erhardt]

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:D



Now usually my post consist of how great I am,(In jest of course), but this one I was trying to be serious.


I noticed that not ONE person called him out on this.:shakehead: So I was wondering am I the ONLY person who hasn't stat padded????

Is every1 else's perception so skewed that they say nothing to a person who admits to stat padding??? Not only this but they DEFEND him by saying that the ranking system is "flawed", so therefore it's OK for him to stat pad.
Stat padding is annoying, no argument there. But... what to do about it? We can call somebody out about it all day long, but I'm not laboring under any illusions we're going to change their behavior if we did, so why bother?

Guys like you and I will go on playing the game and for the most part have a good time. Guys who statpad will go on playing the game and... get whatever cheap thrill it is they get for padding... and a year from now, it still won't matter in the grander scale of things. :p

[n00bs4brkfst]

We can call somebody out about it all day long, but I'm not laboring under any illusions we're going to change their behavior if we did, so why bother?


;) Yeah, I guess you're right.

Now let this thread DIE.