LMG For Noobs???

[eckosof]

I know alot of you guys use it and your probally offended by that comment but i mean the LMG is just silly. Just the fact that it gets more accurate the longer you hold it down is ridiculous. I may just be venting because i get killed by people that suck but are really good at pressing buttons...then again i lay AMP mines everywhere i go..oh well, Anyone else hate the LMG as much as i do? side-note why cant i use that as sig?

[FOGofWAR]

I know alot of you guys use it and your probally offended by that comment but i mean the LMG is just silly. Just the fact that it gets more accurate the longer you hold it down is ridiculous. I may just be venting because i get killed by people that suck but are really good at pressing buttons...then again i lay AMP mines everywhere i go..oh well, Anyone else hate the LMG as much as i do? side-note why cant i use that as sig?

..and providing yourself with unlimited health is for noobs..

..and instagib mines is for noobs..

..and the ability to repair your own tank is for noobs..

..and whining on forums about it is for noobs..

[eckosof]

lol i take it u use the lmg alot....but what you just said really doesent have anything to do with what i said....

[Fabol]

Dude it's part of the game anyways...

And I'm really tired of people using the term NOOB seriously.

[moltenblack]

Yawn....:rolleyes:

[ShadowX8001]

Ya this **** is annoying. If your so mad at people using it on u, then YOU USE IT! Geez. Support is for killing people, so it should do it well. And weapons that are stationary when laying down are going to be accurate.

[eckosof]

you guys are missing the point...nvm

[ShadowX8001]

I guess we are.

[ojkilledthemfolk]

LMG owns and that is that. It is like the RPK on BF2. Lay and spray.
I unlocked the HMG it sucks like the early PKM on BF2.

[Daz]

The LMGs are fine I think, good for camping, but not really for use on the move.

I can do just as much damage with the krylov.

[ShadowX8001]

PKM is da OWNAGE!!!!!!!!!! I miss that gun. But the Ganz sucks sooo much!

[Morgs]

ya know what, I play support and when someone kills me with a lambert, I don't go whining about how lambert users are n00bz. In fact, when I am playing engie, and I get killed by an LMG I think 'sweet, nice work bro...' cuz I got killed by someone who can appreciate helping folks with ammo and laying down a wall of lead.

To be honest, I am pretty happy with the balance of this game. There doesn't seem to be a dominant class in terms of capability. They got the rock/paper/scissors down pretty well.

[Gatling762]

Don't forget that you can't move while you are firing your LMG for accuracy. This makes you vulnerable. SMG's, Shotguns, and the Voss L-AR do not have such limitations. Also the overheat while being a bit silly keeps the support guns from getting too crazy.

Do you really want support to go back to it's BF2 roots and be more of an ammo vending machine?

-Gat

[FOGofWAR]

ya know what, I play support and when someone kills me with a lambert, I don't go whining about how lambert users are n00bz. In fact, when I am playing engie, and I get killed by an LMG I think 'sweet, nice work bro...' cuz I got killed by someone who can appreciate helping folks with ammo and laying down a wall of lead.

To be honest, I am pretty happy with the balance of this game. There doesn't seem to be a dominant class in terms of capability. They got the rock/paper/scissors down pretty well.

Seriously. I even ROCK with the Engie SMG. There is no rift between kits. The only thing that stands out is Recon as the ULTIMATE Titan Assault/Defense kit.

[FOGofWAR]

you guys are missing the point...nvm

Don't take my jest to heart - Internet is my entertainment while at work. lol

The idea of the Support weapons becoming more accurate as you settle into them is not far fetched. If you are snapped in with a M60 in real life, when you first squeeze the trigger, it jerks. If you maintain fire continued fire, you can adjust to the rythm and gain accuracy as opposed to the initial jerk. This can be done for any fully automatic weapon that is posted onto something.

To support it even further, it being the future they may have extra stabalization features built in that actually help with this. Imagine a weapon with a small gyroscope that began to spin as you began to fire. That would help.


Is that what you meant?

[dycrophiliac]

I think sniper rifles are for noobs. whats your point?

[chiahatesyou]

you guys are missing the point...nvm

I guess you just dont understand real life and real life weaponry from the looks of it

[Wheelman56]

The Support LMGs wouldn't be near as bad if they weren't so effective while standing/crouched. I can't say how many times I've been just sprayed to death by an LMG noob just standing up spraying all over. If they kept the effectiveness that it is at now while prone but gave you crazy recoil while standing/crouch the LMG wouldn't be nearly as bad.

This is not me whining because I get killed by LMGs all the time, because when I use it I tend to rack up insane kills, and it feels extremely cheap and noobish so I don't use it very often. I somewhat like it when the entire server is filled with noobs who spam the LMG, because they sure do love standing still. =] Easy to flank, or out-play with tactics. Using the LMG is just a crutch for those who can't really get kills otherwise.

[dycrophiliac]

I used a SAW in the army and if this has any basis on the SAW then it can be used as a pray and spray weapon effectively.

Perhaps if people are tired of dying to weapons they should learn to dodge better. :)

[Wheelman56]

I used a SAW in the army and if this has any basis on the SAW then it can be used as a pray and spray weapon effectively.

Perhaps if people are tired of dying to weapons they should learn to dodge better. :)

Well then obviously there is a reason why the army doesn't issue the SAW to every soldier...

Problem is the BF games don't limit the amount of players who can use a particular class, so the guns have to be balanced despite how "unrealistic" it may make the game.

And by dodging do you mean bunny-hopping and prone-diving? ;)

[FOGofWAR]

I used a SAW in the army and if this has any basis on the SAW then it can be used as a pray and spray weapon effectively.

Perhaps if people are tired of dying to weapons they should learn to dodge better. :)

The MG's are exactly that.

[Sir Robin]

I know alot of you guys use it and your probally offended by that comment but i mean the LMG is just silly. Just the fact that it gets more accurate the longer you hold it down is ridiculous. I may just be venting because i get killed by people that suck but are really good at pressing buttons...then again i lay AMP mines everywhere i go..oh well, Anyone else hate the LMG as much as i do?

Let me try.:D

The LMG is as popular as it is because of the movie Rambo. Expect a shirtless with bandana unlock for Support in an upcoming booster pack.

The improving accuracy during automatic fire is probably the best way that DICE could simulate the dialing/walking in style of aiming used by many machine gunners. Basically you see where your rounds are hitting and adjust your aim. So while you can't hit that opfor right away, unless you're really good, you can adjust your aim until you do. Can't really do that in the engine BF2142 uses.

DICE's compromise is to improve accuracy the longer the trigger is held down. Of course to keep Support from absolutely slaughtering everything, infantry-wise, on the map they kept the overheat factor.

I do believe that the LMG is a little more effective than it should be and that the HMG is a little less effective than it should be. However I would be very concerned that any attempts to correct it, fear the patch of DOOM, would do more harm than good and start the BF2 Nerf mess all over again.

Of course the LMG's improving accuracy, especially combined with Titan chokepoints, makes it much easier for less inherently skilled FPS'ers to pwn the more established titans in our paganistic society of canibalistic egotists.:p

This may be part of a plot by a secret society within DICE dedicated to the dastardly practice of de-leeting the skill advantage held by youthful gamers hopped up on skittles and robbed of a moral code by reality television programs.:cool:

At least that's my theory.:rolleyes:

[Wheelman56]

What I don't understand is how some people can see an imbalance in the game and try to make excuses for why it should stay. Back in BF2 when you could fire while jumping, dolphin dive, and prone-spam, even though I did ALL of them and used them to their full extent, I knew they needed to go because they ruined the game. It rewarded being able to tap a bunch of keys really fast over those who could actually aim.

We all know LMGs in real life are spray weapons that are still accurate, but sorry to tell you this isn't real life no matter how much you might think it is. Since there is no restrictions on how many players can use a particular class, the classes need to be balanced.

[Phenomenomenon]

lol i take it u use the lmg alot....but what you just said really doesent have anything to do with what i said....

Really? I thought it was right on spot... I guess in your mind reading comprehension is for noobs.

[Willee]

Ok, here we go.

..and providing yourself with unlimited health is for noobs..

Have you ever been assault? It takes a while to heal yourself to full health, making you extremely vulnerable in the mean time.

The LMGs are fine I think, good for camping, but not really for use on the move.

No, they rape no matter what.

ya know what, I play support and when someone kills me with a lambert, I don't go whining about how lambert users are n00bz.

Because you probably have a 3:1 K:D ratio against people using lamberts when you're using support, so there isn't many times you're able to complain.

In fact, when I am playing engie, and I get killed by an LMG I think 'sweet, nice work bro...' cuz I got killed by someone who can appreciate helping folks with ammo and laying down a wall of lead.

Half of the support players don't use their ammo crates for anyone except themselves and the titan guns.

Do you really want support to go back to it's BF2 roots and be more of an ammo vending machine?

Yes. It's kind of their job.

I guess you just dont understand real life and real life weaponry from the looks of it

Balance > Realism.

I used a SAW in the army and if this has any basis on the SAW then it can be used as a pray and spray weapon effectively.

LMGs* don't spray and pray, they snipe on fully auto.

Of course to keep Support from absolutely slaughtering everything, infantry-wise, on the map they kept the overheat factor.


By the time the gun overheats, you've killed 10 people.

The Support LMGs wouldn't be near as bad if they weren't so effective while standing/crouched.

Exactly.


I know I'm going to get flamed for this...




* In game LMGs

[FOGofWAR]

Ok, here we go.



Have you ever been assault? It takes a while to heal yourself to full health, making you extremely vulnerable in the mean time.




Wow - u fail at forums. Scroll up, reread the evolution of the thread. While I was mocking the OP for complaining, your explanation is laughable. You don't have to hold your meds, just drop it and lay on it while fighting.

[Sir Robin]

What I don't understand is how some people can see an imbalance in the game and try to make excuses for why it should stay. Back in BF2 when you could fire while jumping, dolphin dive, and prone-spam, even though I did ALL of them and used them to their full extent, I knew they needed to go because they ruined the game.

Good point, but did you have problems caused by the patches in BF2? If you didn't, lucky you; if you did, would you like to go through them again?

I am not saying BF2142 does not have balance issues, it does and for a lot more than just the LMG.

I don't like being killed by someone who obviously does not know how to play their class well. I play Support a lot but rarely die to them. Instead I am usually killed by the heavy assault rifles and sniper rifles. Why? Because I know how to play Support, therefore, I play to their weaknesses.

So should Support get to have great accuracy immediately when prone or when crouched/standing over any terrain items that the bipod could be resting on? Except we shouldn't do it for other classes so only Support would be the insta-prone class? Could the engine even handle identifying bipod on terrain item so better accuracy?

Again I feel the LMG is a little, and I do mean little, more effective than I feel it should be. Of course, good luck reducing its effectiveness without messing something up.

[lashed]

Ya this **** is annoying. If your so mad at people using it on u, then YOU USE IT! Geez.

AMEN ! :cool:

[Willee]

Wow - u fail at forums. Scroll up, reread the evolution of the thread. While I was mocking the OP for complaining, your explanation is laughable. You don't have to hold your meds, just drop it and lay on it while fighting.

It still takes a while, and you need to stay in the same spot. I don't get why my explanation is laughable, seeing as you are still vulnerable with less health which is what I meant in the first place. Where did I say you needed to hold the hub in order to get health? Oh yeah, that's right... I didn't.

And I read the whole thread, I'm sorry if I missed that part of the post.

[evilzucchini]

I use the LMG, not a lot, I am a Voss person myself. But IT IS NOT OVERPOWERED. Stop whining. Sure, it gets more accurate as you hold the trigger down. However, if you move AT ALL the reticle is HUGE.

So yeah, if you sit in one place and over look an area and don't move, you do well. However, then you are easily picked off by a sniper or assault rockets. It isn't unbalanced . . . just suck it up. You are good with your weapon, so what do you care?

[FOGofWAR]

It still takes a while, and you need to stay in the same spot. I don't get why my explanation is laughable, seeing as you are still vulnerable with less health which is what I meant in the first place. Where did I say you needed to hold the hub in order to get health? Oh yeah, that's right... I didn't.

And I read the whole thread, I'm sorry if I missed that part of the post.

How are you "extremely" vulnerable? That implies that you are more vulnerable than another class or that you don't have a weapon out, so how so? I just want to hear it cause it sounds funny. You still seem to miss the jest in mocking the OP.

[The_Eliminator]

you guys are missing the point...nvm

There was a point to this thread, it went over the top of all our heads then :rolleyes:

[dycrophiliac]

There was a point to this thread, it went over the top of all our heads then :rolleyes:


yes the sniper was complaining about the support class. That was the point.


:laugh:

[The_Eliminator]

yes the sniper was complaining about the support class. That was the point.


:laugh:

:laugh:

[Sir Robin]

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..and providing yourself with unlimited health is for noobs..
Have you ever been assault? It takes a while to heal yourself to full health, making you extremely vulnerable in the mean time.
Yep, unless you are actually using teamwork then that Support was dead long before his shot group improved. Even if he got you, you were defibbed and he was 'naded while waiting for his weapon to cool down.
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The LMGs are fine I think, good for camping, but not really for use on the move.
No, they rape no matter what.
Not exactly, my accuracy goes to hell unless I stay still.
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ya know what, I play support and when someone kills me with a lambert, I don't go whining about how lambert users are n00bz.
Because you probably have a 3:1 K ratio against people using lamberts when you're using support, so there isn't many times you're able to complain.I think mine is like 1.06 or something like it and I play Support a lot.
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In fact, when I am playing engie, and I get killed by an LMG I think 'sweet, nice work bro...' cuz I got killed by someone who can appreciate helping folks with ammo and laying down a wall of lead.
Half of the support players don't use their ammo crates for anyone except themselves and the titan guns.
If half the supports did that then there would be a lot more generals than there are.
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Do you really want support to go back to it's BF2 roots and be more of an ammo vending machine?
Yes. It's kind of their job.
Nope, its one of their jobs. I get annoyed when Assaults don't heal and Engineers don't repair but those are not their only jobs.
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I guess you just dont understand real life and real life weaponry from the looks of it
Balance > Realism.
Yep, and messing up the balance is what I am worried about.
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I used a SAW in the army and if this has any basis on the SAW then it can be used as a pray and spray weapon effectively.
LMGs* don't spray and pray, they snipe on fully auto.
Nope, they waste half their ammo before overheating trying to snipe on full auto and if the opfor doesn't find cover they eventually get taken down.
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Of course to keep Support from absolutely slaughtering everything, infantry-wise, on the map they kept the overheat factor.
By the time the gun overheats, you've killed 10 people.
Maybe three or four, before overheating, if the opfor just stands in front of Corridor Three waiting for an invitation to come in and forgetting the fact that their could be someone shooting at them from the balcony.
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The Support LMGs wouldn't be near as bad if they weren't so effective while standing/crouched.
Exactly.
Well then maybe DICE will make Support the insta-prone class.
I know I'm going to get flamed for this...
* In game LMGs
Not attempting to I just don't agree with you on some things.

[Willee]

How are you "extremely" vulnerable? That implies that you are more vulnerable than another class or that you don't have a weapon out, so how so? I just want to hear it cause it sounds funny. You still seem to miss the jest in mocking the OP.

As funny as it sounds, it's not what I meant. Usually when I'm in a gunfight that's head to head I'm down to at least 50 health. So, I will pull out my health hub and throw it down. However, while healing it wouldn't take much to kill me seeing as I'm at low health. This leaves you open to sniper being able to one shot you to the body, and also almost any other class can come along and whipe the rest of you out.

And I didn't miss the jest, I said "I'm sorry if I missed that part of the post."

Missed being the key word there.

[eckosof]

actually i use lambert :/ a gun that actually take a little skill to use and actually i like that alot of people use the lmg. the more they stay in one spot the more i kill them which is probally how i got to #2 with the lambert so fast

[Svartberg]

it's obvious the original poster is playing recon - since that kit sucks ...
The gun is perfect imo, and that's coming from a guy mostly playing assault/eng ...

While immobile it's a camping weapon with an efficiency of up to 100m which is topped by the sniper rifle on 70-200m range.
While mobile the smg/shotgun will take you (and everyone else) on 10m- ranges, and the assault rifles will take you on 10-40m ranges.

It's a good weapon if you play defense since you camp most of the time, but on attack you're mobile mostly and the assault kit easily tops it.

[colony]

The Ganz needs an upgrade

[Willee]

Yep, unless you are actually using teamwork then that Support was dead long before his shot group improved. Even if he got you, you were defibbed and he was 'naded while waiting for his weapon to cool down.

Most pub squads don't pay as much attention to teamwork as we wish they did.

Not exactly, my accuracy goes to hell unless I stay still.

But it's simple enough to stop moving and mow them down, it's almost instinct (to me at least). That's what I've been able to do lately. (Trying to get support silver badge... I admit it.)

I think mine is like 1.06 or something like it and I play Support a lot.

Heh, I have an overall K: D ratio of around 1.3 or so (I think, I'll check later), so I'm not very good; but, lately my K: D ratio has gone up from playing support. Almost always I can get at least a 2.0 K: D ratio as support in Camp Gibralter with no unlocks.

If half the supports did that then there would be a lot more generals than there are.

True.

Nope, its one of their jobs. I get annoyed when Assaults don't heal and Engineers don't repair but those are not their only jobs.

Stumped me.

Yep, and messing up the balance is what I am worried about.

I honestly think that balance as it is is kind of screwed up. You know, I wouldn't mind if they nerfed the default support guns down a little and made the Ganz like the LMGs are, because then only the hardcore support players would have this killing machine.

Nope, they waste half their ammo before overheating trying to snipe on full auto and if the opfor doesn't find cover they eventually get taken down.

I wish this was true, but I see too many support people nailing snipers from 150+ meters away. Noob snipers? Maybe that's it, but I see it a lot, and I'm able to do it from the tower in Minsk (conquest) with relative ease.

Maybe three or four, before overheating, if the opfor just stands in front of Corridor Three waiting for an invitation to come in and forgetting the fact that their could be someone shooting at them from the balcony.

Was exaggerating a little, lol.

Well then maybe DICE will make Support the insta-prone class.

The way some people are making them out to be is to "whipe up the rest of the soldiers that assault don't take out"(I heard it somewhere in almost the exact same words, can't remember where though). When I think of this quote, I think of a support player laying prone at a relative distance laying down cover fire and whiping up open enemy infantry. However, the way support currently are is that they run around and cap flags and take out infantry while standing, not fitting the description the quotee gave them.

[Phenomenomenon]

I think support is fine.

Here's what I have a problem with.

All you guys saying you have to lay down prone and camp for it to be effective....

CRouch Man!!! You can run and gun with the lmg and smoke assault players.

Just cuz you have a big red 2 over your head quit thinking you have to prone.

Crouch is the new Prone!!!

I'm done. I probably just helped about 80 percent of you gentlemans support game.

[Willee]

You can run and gun with the lmg and smoke assault players.

This is kind of the problem at hand.

[Sir Robin]

I crouch a lot now.:D

Crouching is great no matter what class you are using but it helps Support a lot more.

With crouch I can basically become a heavy assault class to soak up and spray bullets, getting the opfor to reveal their positions for the Assaults, Engineers, and Recons following me. I even dropped an ammo box back their for them to reload with.:p

If the Assaults bothered to bring a defib this time they might even revive me.:rolleyes:

The way some people are making them out to be is to "whipe up the rest of the soldiers that assault don't take out"(I heard it somewhere in almost the exact same words, can't remember where though).

I think I remember that quote from somewhere too. Awfully hard to play an overwatch role though in a game as fluid and aggressive leaning as BF2142 though.

Honestly, I do feel that the LMG is a little, only a little, too effective and the HMG should be more effective than it is. My greatest concern is that the LMG/HMG are already the products of a lot of compromises and this is the best balance DICE could come up with. If so, then any changes could drastically alter the flow of the game.

[akburst510]

I hate when support people use lmg's for camping. But i do not blame them. Titan mode makes it so easy.

[Phenomenomenon]

Rockets and grenades can own support guys.

The problem is you guys are having is you want to run out face to face with a support guy and come out on top with the your assault rifle. Not going to happen, NOT SUPPOSE to happen.

Remember how people would say the medics were overpowered and the assault were underpowered in bf2? Well welcome the BF2142 assault class, a little bit of teeth and a little bit of bandaid. A versatile jack of all trades. If you think you should be able to outgun a support guy with out using your wits your crazy.

I'm not running around playing support upset because I can't revive people...

This is how it is, adapt or die.

[eckosof]

sadly enough i agree with you...but what about sniper vs. support? i see lmg kill snipers from distance all the time.

[DeadCRAP_]

I think sniper rifles are for noobs. whats your point?

especially the zeller..

[nosoupforyou]

I think support is fine.

Here's what I have a problem with.

All you guys saying you have to lay down prone and camp for it to be effective....

CRouch Man!!! You can run and gun with the lmg and smoke assault players.

Just cuz you have a big red 2 over your head quit thinking you have to prone.

Crouch is the new Prone!!!

I'm done. I probably just helped about 80 percent of you gentlemans support game.

crouch rules your right, from the first time i proned in bf2142 and saw my cross hairs jump to the corners of the screen, ive been crouching.

However in bf2, after 1.4 crouch was the new prone. cant get up from a prone and u just die. a lot of the time i like to step out, mayb spot the guy, and step back into cover, naturally most ppl would lie down (fools), after i gone in a step back out, if there still lying down i jump side then prone, if not they will be scrambling up to escape, so shoot them ^^ (note this works for all ppl except, g3, g363 and pkm) .Even before the patch crouch had its moments, its just great.

[evilzucchini]

CRouch Man!!! You can run and gun with the lmg and smoke assault players.
I'll believe it when I see it. Unless the guy is literally right on top of me, I NEVER get killed by an LMG. Seriously, I cannot think of a time that an LMG weilder has beaten me without having set his gun or without coming around a corner and being right next to me. The gun has absolutely NO aim and, if you are owning assault players like this than, no offense, but they just suck as assault players. The ownage of noobs is nothing to base the effectiveness of a weapon on.

And I am with soup. Crouch was almost ALWAYS very useful and when they patched to screw with prone, crouching became even more useful. I crouch in this game WAY more than a prone. . . by a long shot.

[Sir Robin]

I agree that run and gun is not something I can do with Support but I may not be that good with it though I have played it a lot.

LMG's often are effective even with players of less skill using them. However, APM's are a noob's wet dream.:evil: Finally picked up the Lambert unlock again with my new main soldier last night and decided to see what a Lambert + RDX + APM Recon could do. O.M.F.G!

You want a noob weapon? The APM's are just as, if not more, brutal than the LMG. I was rivalling my best Support IASR scores, including ammo giving points, with APM kills. Around Flags, Silos, chokepoints, my Titan, their Titan, just about anywhere those futuristic claymores simply slaughtered.

"Oh you see my APM so you're crawling past it? Well your team mate didn't and here he comes... two more kills.":evil:

[Aenrion]

I love sniping supports who prone with my pilum.

[BubbaBubberson]

And I love mowing down engineers with pilums who think the pilums have splash damage in the titan halways.

[AlphaNut]

imho support is fine except for it's ridiculously accurate cone of fire in the stance position.
Assault/Engi are my main classes, but support is way overpowered when standing. And the LMGs have less kick then the Baur on single shot while in prone position...

Support should be able to use supported gun when he's standing up behind a wall for example so he can setup his weapon on the wall and have same accuracy as if he's prone/crouched. But the way it is right now the guy carrying an LMG doesn't even have to press the crouch button.
All he has to do is stand still and keep that mouse button 1 pressed. At least give him the same nasty recoil pattern we have to deal with when using the baur or any other assault weapon - when he's not in crouching/prone position.

Now you can throw some rocks at me :D

[Sir Robin]

Support should be able to use supported gun when he's standing up behind a wall for example so he can setup his weapon on the wall and have same accuracy as if he's prone/crouched. But the way it is right now the guy carrying an LMG doesn't even have to press the crouch button.
All he has to do is stand still and keep that mouse button 1 pressed. At least give him the same nasty recoil pattern we have to deal with when using the baur or any other assault weapon - when he's not in crouching/prone position.

Now you can throw some rocks at me :D

Not at all, I actually agree somewhat. I am not sure though if the BF2142 engine can handle that. If you could take it away except in the crouch/prone what about the accuracy loss for proning even from the crouch?

BF2142 definately could use some tweaking, throw the APM's in with the LMG's on that list, but I wonder what they could actually do without upsetting the applecart and starting the whole BF2 nerfbat mess all over again.

[Maulkin]

Most of my knife kills are from catching prone snipers and support LMG's. The LMGs are even better because they give their position away so easily with the big light and loud noise.

I find it amusing that most LMG's put their sentry drone beside them to aid in their target aquisition and increase their fire, when they should put it behind them to prevent people like me from sneaking up on them and knifing them in the back. That is what I do with my LMG and I have had more than a few times where I would hear my sentry open up, only to turn around and see a potential knifer drop dead in front of me. :)

[PaWg]

I got called a hacker the other day; the guy I had killed 4-5 times cried" PaWg is a hacker there is no way you can be that accurate with LMG"
I replied" You just suck"

Quick bursts work very well, As far as holding the button down for making better accuracy, that is crap. All you gonna get is an overheated LMG and someone killing you while you wait for it to cool down.

Prolly get flamed, but everyone has to have something to b*itch about.
You dont like it? Get better with your weapon. I have been killed many times with an LMG in my hand becuase someone was just faster on the draw.

Deal with it.

[FOGofWAR]

I got called a hacker the other day; the guy I had killed 4-5 times cried" PaWg is a hacker there is no way you can be that accurate with LMG"
I replied" You just suck"

Quick bursts work very well, As far as holding the button down for making better accuracy, that is crap. All you gonna get is an overheated LMG and someone killing you while you wait for it to cool down.

Prolly get flamed, but everyone has to have something to b*itch about.
You dont like it? Get better with your weapon. I have been killed many times with an LMG in my hand becuase someone was just faster on the draw.

Deal with it.

I find it equally easy to kill with all the MG/AR/SMG's.

[chucky48316]

I don't really play support, but I have and know the gun and all, and the arguments about recoil and all that. I have shot a lot of weapons in my life, I'm in the Army and on occasion we have tested some firearms from companies. Some of the weapons NOW have very little recoil, so I'm tellin you 136 years from now, I can pretty much guarantee you that weapons will have virtually no recoil as this is by far one of the most important aspects in weapon research and development for any firearms company that wants to succeed in the business because less recoil means more accuracy which means fewer lives lost in war on your side. So why is it so hard to believe that the weapons in the game work differently than the weapons we have now do? Plus, it's a game, if you "think" that a weapon has a larger advantage than another, than use that weapon, this game is about killing and winning, both of which don't depend on you wanting to play as a different class.

[Willee]

"Oh you see my APM so you're crawling past it? Well your team mate didn't and here he comes... two more kills.":evil:

I hate when this happens. I wish they had a "Spot APM" option, because I always crouch when I see a claymore, and half the time some ******* teamate comes charging in rambo style and blows it, getting us both killed.

[Sir Robin]

I hate when this happens. I wish they had a "Spot APM" option, because I always crouch when I see a claymore, and half the time some ******* teamate comes charging in rambo style and blows it, getting us both killed.

:laugh:

Yep this happens to me but now that I'm running Recon again I am reminded of the old saying, "Tis better to give than to receive.":evil:

[mjt2289]

I used it a little bit but then I unlocked all the stuff in the assault kit both sides. I always carry the AED with me cuz without a doubt it will get used plenty (People like dieing in this game :D). But either the voss or the baur are better than the LMG. the baur owns...hands down

[Aenrion]

I am now OFFICIALLY bored of what I like to call, LMG SNIPERS, it being the most accurate fkin gun in the game aside from the sodding sniper rifles.

Seriously lay off the fkin LMG's, its getting really boring really quickly -.-


p.s give pilum splash damage so engineers can kill infantry thats beyond the 10m effective range of the sh1tty SMG.

[Sir Robin]

Okay now I'm curious.

If EA's stats site was working I could tell how many deaths I have to LMG's compared to other weapons. At this point I would figure APM's are ahead though. I have been killed by the Baur a lot and I have used the LMG's a lot but don't recall being killed by LMG's much.

I wonder if there is a paricular class that is more vulnerable to LMG's? Does the LMG take greater advantage of soldiers without heavy body armor than other weapons? Will have to do some checking. Anyone at home looking at their stats?

[Sethonan]

You can check in the in game browser, leaderboard-weapons; you can find how many people oyu have killed with a weapon, and how often you have died to that same weapon. I get killed more by tanks, nerf tanks.

[Deepjay]

The LMG is almost identical to how the M60 was in BFV. I think there's absolutely no doubt that it's going to get nerfed soon. Whether you cry that it's completely fine, or cry that it needs nerfing because you're in fact crap and dont know how to use cover, no-one can honestly argue that the weapon is balanced. Perhaps from prone position, but from standing or crouching, this thing is far too accurate.

If anything, it's cone of fire will change to be like that of the ganz

[qREALp]

I may just be venting because i get killed by people that suck but are really good at pressing buttons...


And you, on the other hand, play BF2142 with switches, pulleys and levers?

Please diaf, today.

[nosoupforyou]

i went on titan mode again today, first time in a while and i was not pleased.

no medics but me in ther so no revives. lots of claymores, lots of demo packs. and lots of lmgs lying down in those corridors...

i think the lmg is fine except in that one situation, it pisses me off that they can do that.

also my team annoyed me as they would not take the claymores for me (even tho i would heal them afterwards.. god.

[Sir Robin]

And you, on the other hand, play BF2142 with switches, pulleys and levers?

:laugh:

Doesn't everybody?:confused: Though it was one hell of a challenge to get my steam powered PC to be compatible with that new fangled 7950 GX2.;)

[Deepjay]

i went on titan mode again today, first time in a while and i was not pleased.

no medics but me in ther so no revives. lots of claymores, lots of demo packs. and lots of lmgs lying down in those corridors...

i think the lmg is fine except in that one situation, it pisses me off that they can do that.

also my team annoyed me as they would not take the claymores for me (even tho i would heal them afterwards.. god.


Imo this is where they should be godly, laying prone, setup and waiting for you. It's the way they can be used as assault rifles, on the run and as effective where the imbalance begins to show.

[Prof]

Whine whine whine. I play support and get absolutely annihilated by vehicles, everytime. If you hate the support class so much, grab a tank and roll over em like everybody else. Quit crying cause your head gets rocked off by a support guy with some skill when you run out in the middle of the road.

I've been killed less by the ganz, bianchi and the shuko than either of the assault guns, so suck it up.

[FireStorm|427]

LMG owns and that is that. It is like the RPK on BF2. Lay and spray.
I unlocked the HMG it sucks like the early PKM on BF2.

it doesnt suck, you do with the gun, youd think it would be better if it was a Heavy machine gun rather than a Light machine gun, they gave it to the.... new players :) because they can spray more bullets, the aiming system is the same so it doesnt matter. if you have a HMG and your facing a LMG you have the advantage with less bullets required to kill the opponent.

[nosoupforyou]

i agree that is where in real life they would be good, and ea did that stupid thing with great weapon when not prone. but its just toooo good in the titan. so are apm and demo packs. just ban those two items in the titan and it would be assaultable.

[LahLahSr]

There is a good reason why many SAW gunners ahve taken to mounting 4X scopes on their guns.

Now that LMG's fire the same ammo as the assault-rifles, the gap between assault rifles and LMGs has narrowed.

SAW gunners "walk" their bullets onto the target if their first shots don't hit. It's not the random cone spread that you see in-game.

I fully expect that LMGs to be better than the overall assault rifles - because they are in real life as well - at medium and long range. At short range they are fairly equal.

At range you can "walk" that tracers onto target while standing. At medium range your chance of hitting is higher because you are putting more bullets downrange.

At short range, the increased weight of the SAW may work against it - the assault rifles swing faster.

Look at the development in the last 2 decades..LMG's are entering the assault-rifle area and assault rifles have become smaller and smaller.

Now how that SHOULD translate into BF2142 I will leave to each individual - just keep in mind that the old-school notion of "machine guns" and "submachine guns" and "rifles" have been pushed quite a bit since WW2, Korea and 'Nam.

[jsr]

The Support LMGs wouldn't be near as bad if they weren't so effective while standing/crouched. I can't say how many times I've been just sprayed to death by an LMG noob just standing up spraying all over. If they kept the effectiveness that it is at now while prone but gave you crazy recoil while standing/crouch the LMG wouldn't be nearly as bad.

qft, sad but very true.

[[MIA] crimsonand]

i think the LMG is a great gun, even when i play medic with the voss, it has not been a problem for me i kill almost everyone i come in contact with.

[gundamfan]

I sure love using the LMGs when enemies swarm the titan halls. Lots of fun all around.

[Tiberiansun292]

lol i just knife you.

[RangerWest]

They make posts like this if they think patches are coming out. OMG devs are reading this! Nerf LMGz Plz and Shamens, K!

LMGs are fine. If you nerf them you'll have to nerf snipers (beginning the downward spiral again), because there will be no other weapon that can touch them. It takes a ton of short bursts to nail a sniper and just one or two from them to nail a support kit and the sniper has to stay in one spot for quite a while for support types to put hits on them. They also take quite a while to tighten up while kneeling, much longer than a Assault guys weapon, so their "run and gun" dominance is bunk too. You cannot stand up and just mow down 10 guys with it, its rate of fire doesn't have the density to fill the area with enough shots.

[Richard012345]

My critiques are in the quote in BOLD.
There is a good reason why many SAW gunners ahve taken to mounting 4X scopes on their guns. Because SAWs were never intended for CQC situations. They're meant for heavy, ranged support fire.

Now that LMG's fire the same ammo as the assault-rifles, the gap between assault rifles and LMGs has narrowed. That's like saying the paintballs in my paintball gun completely determines how straight every shot is.

SAW gunners "walk" their bullets onto the target if their first shots don't hit. It's not the random cone spread that you see in-game. For the most part, true.

I fully expect that LMGs to be better than the overall assault rifles - because they are in real life as well - at medium and long range. At short range they are fairly equal. LMGs should not be equal at short range, they're not designed for CQC.

At range you can "walk" that tracers onto target while standing. At medium range your chance of hitting is higher because you are putting more bullets downrange. I'm sure you won't find many people ever using a SAW without a stand and being accurate, not even at with compensation. SAWs, like all modern support weaponry, were not designed to be fired in a shoulder locked standing position. They were designed to be shot while one hand guides and the other is keeping the ammo from jamming(In a situation where you don't have someone doing that for you).

At short range, the increased weight of the SAW may work against it - the assault rifles swing fasterThe weight of the SAW always works against it..

Look at the development in the last 2 decades..LMG's are entering the assault-rifle area and assault rifles have become smaller and smaller. Everything is becoming smaller. Look at the MGs in the early 20th century and look at the new LMGs in our early 21st century society.

Now how that SHOULD translate into BF2142 I will leave to each individual - just keep in mind that the old-school notion of "machine guns" and "submachine guns" and "rifles" have been pushed quite a bit since WW2, Korea and 'Nam.That's true, but physics themselves have not changed. The guy with the bigger stick won't be able to hit the guy with the smaller stick over the head unless he has more time and ample space to swing. The same principle applies to guns, in it's own way.

[RpTheHotrod]

I find assault much more of an infantry raper than support could ever be. It depends on the skill of the player involved. Heck, I've seen some kick butt engineers, too.

[Richard012345]

I find assault much more of an infantry raper than support could ever be. It depends on the skill of the player involved. Heck, I've seen some kick butt engineers, too.
All the best players I've seen so far have been engineers. Why were they the best players? Because I have no idea how they beat my assault rifle with a tiny SMG. I'm guessing it's because they were able to unload headshots really fast while while I was relying on upper torso hits.

[Roger Smith]

more like dice/ea are dumb for making prone useless for the support kit. the lmg is more effective standing than prone. i can understand medium range while crouching, but long, come on! that said, the default assault rifles are really no match for the lmg, they need a beef.

[jsr]

I find assault much more of an infantry raper than support could ever be. It depends on the skill of the player involved. Heck, I've seen some kick butt engineers, too.

Without a doubt, I lead the board in almost every round I play in both total kills and k/d ratio, and I almost never set foot in a vehicle or use anything other than an assault rifle.

And yes, those who were skilled in BF2 infantry are just as dominate in 2142 as well.

The problem a lot of people have with the LMG's is, unlike the assault rifle, it does not punish people for doing stupid/noobish things.

Think about it, if you were to pick the scar-11, plant your feet in the ground (no crouch or prone just stand there like a rooted stump) and spray in the general direction of three pople rushing you... chances are you would die and look like a complete newbie.

Now change the scar-11 to an LMG... chances are you kill 2/3 of the people rushing you.

This is why people say support is over powered, it actually is not, but it lets players get away with doing retarded things that would get other kits killed.

[Ecko]

I'm really happy that accuracy improves, although it's not realistic. Due to the way it works it forces people to use LMG's as they should be used... as a weapon for cover fire... if your smart you will duck when you hear one open up. It gets the job done and creates more realism oposed to MG Snipers.

[gundamfan]

Yeah it's an interesting game mechanic that seems to work. I especially like doing titan defense like that.

[Transman]

Maybe people just need to learn to find cover. This isnt CS running around with an ak spraying at peoples heads, its more of a tactical game. Find cover, and pop out and kill the support, assault has rockets, snipers have head shots, hell you can still kill people with the engies anti tank rockets, and everyone has grenades.

With the lmgs support can run and gun, although that isnt a really exact description, they have to stop at some point to fire to be effective at all. Assault doesnt have to stop, neither does engineer, snipers depends on their weapon. Im just saying dont play the support players game. He wants you to stop and try and kill him when he does the same, he will most likely kill you if you do. Find cover, move around, throw grenades there are many options.