RDX on the Titan. For teamkillers only?

[Vreki]

I have just read yet another thread where a recon complains that they get punished when blowing consoles/cores.

My opinion on this is more or less "If you can´t do the time, don´t do the crime".
But is there a way to use they RDX on the core without teamkilling your own team?

A couple of times the question has been asked in these threads: Did you place the RDX on the side facing the enemy? but it never seems to be answered.

So I would like a team friendly recon to answer this question: Is the blastwave directed away from friendlies if the RDX is placed on the enemy side of the core?

Because in that case, I would have to say :nerr: to future complaints about that, since it is avoidable.

As for the consoles, I don´t think that it takes much longer to bring them down with a lmg/AT-kit, so I see no justification for a recon claiming right-of way there.

To be honest, I would prefer if RDX didn´t work on the Titan core at all, since I think the quick takedown of the core destroys many a good fight. But that is just my opinion.

[xPunchx]

Hey there.

I'm a recon guy and I do understand your point. RDX is so powerful in this game that no matter where you are in the core room you get hurt by the blast unless you are behind one of the blast windows (most of the time).

I do understand that it is frustrating to get t/k by an over enthusiastic recon guy after you just had a hardcore fight to get in there in the first place. If the room is packed i will put RDX on the core and see if my guys notice ...... if they run for cover i blow it, if not i crack out my SMG and go for broke. On the rare occasion that the cores look like they might blow at the same time ill charge them up and blow regardless. and take any t/k i get. IMO its better for the team to win.

The only quarm i have is if i blow the RDX, the core gets destroyed and then people punish for t/k. I mean ffs...... that big boom just won the round. Take one for the team. I can live with -2 points for each t/k but -8 when i get punished each time is takin the micky a little.

[Vreki]

Hey there.

I'm a recon guy and I do understand your point. RDX is so powerful in this game that no matter where you are in the core room you get hurt by the blast unless you are behind one of the blast windows (most of the time).



So it doesnt matter if it is facing away from team? I was hoping that the core itself might provide some cover.

[Haemogod]

What pisses me off is i go into the core place my five RDX's and yell repeatedly, "Go go go" "go go go" until they move, but then a new problem arises, another recon dood puts down his rdx,and blows it, and i get 5 teamkills and he gets non, HOW IS THIS FAIR??????


I've played a few titan games where i had the rdx down, i was in safety and more than 4 people a yelling ****en blow it man, and then after we loose, in the next round "you **** **** why didnt you blow it", most of the time when i explain that my warnings were ignored they turn their attention to the rest of the server and get angry with them.

[Digikid]

nope it does not work that way at all. It has a FULL radius.

The only solution to this problem is to take out the punish system...pure and simple.

[DeZaStR]

Well, I'm not a diehard recon player, so I may not be the best to reply here.

However, when I do play recon and attempt to do my role at taking out the consoles/core, it seems that a "team player" would do well enough to stand aside and let the recon fulfill his role...especially on heavily contested consoles and the core. Instead, what I run into time and time and time again are assault players standing there for 30 seconds burning through their clips to take down the console, while I'm standing there spamming "Move away from the console/core!!" repeatedly, with one finger on the RDX trigger and a thumb up my butt. The fact is, people are greedy. They want the point of the kill, which is understandable. But I feel if you plan on attacking the consoles/core, come equipped to do so.

From a different perspective, when I am assault and we are attacking consoles (for example), instead of charging for the console and attacking it with my Voss, I throw down a health pack for myself and my teammates, and do my best to surpress the enemy as they try to come stop us. I do this out of range of RDX/Engy rocket blasts so that the players who are equipped to take it down, can.

Bottom line, play the role you choose.

[Vreki]

nope it does not work that way at all. It has a FULL radius.

The only solution to this problem is to take out the punish system...pure and simple.

And how would that prevent you from getting teamkills? That would just remove the motivation to avoid them.

It would seem that there doesn´t exist a solution then.:(

It would be nice if the RDX was changed to a shaped charged, which focused most of the blast inwards instead of having a full radius.
That would of course remove the AP capability, but recon has mines dedicated to that.

[Vreki]

Well, I'm not a diehard recon player, so I may not be the best to reply here.

However, when I do play recon and attempt to do my role at taking out the consoles/core, it seems that a "team player" would do well enough to stand aside and let the recon fulfill his role...especially on heavily contested consoles and the core. Instead, what I run into time and time and time again are assault players standing there for 30 seconds burning through their clips to take down the console, while I'm standing there spamming "Move away from the console/core!!" repeatedly, with one finger on the RDX trigger and a thumb up my butt. The fact is, people are greedy. They want the point of the kill, which is understandable. But I feel if you plan on attacking the consoles/core, come equipped to do so.

From a different perspective, when I am assault and we are attacking consoles (for example), instead of charging for the console and attacking it with my Voss, I throw down a health pack for myself and my teammates, and do my best to surpress the enemy as they try to come stop us. I do this out of range of RDX/Engy rocket blasts so that the players who are equipped to take it down, can.

Bottom line, play the role you choose.


I would argue that the recon role might not be to take down the cores/consoles since it causes so much collateral damage.

[DeZaStR]

I would argue that the recon role might not be to take down the cores/consoles since it causes so much collateral damage.
It may cause collateral damage, but that would be nullified if people would stand clear of the blast area. It may not be what the role is 100% intended for, but it is the fastest and most effective.

[Vreki]

It may cause collateral damage, but that would be nullified if people would stand clear of the blast area. It may not be what the role is 100% intended for, but it is the fastest and most effective.

Well my, question was answered, so I guess the rest of this thread will be pro/con RDX :)

The fact is that on public servers people do not stand clear, so there will be collateral damage. And if you pull the trigger knowing that, then the responsibility is yours.

If you want to do it the teamplayer way, then mine the core and go hide. Either the enemy retake the core and you blow it, or you team takes it down which means there was no excuse for teamkilling them.

[Filippo]

Sometimes the punish is necessary.

I was playing a small server the other day, and boarded the enemy titan as soon as the shields went down with another recon. We blew the consoles and the reactor was open, there were still NO ENEMIES there.

He went in there, started to place his RDX, and I was planting mine. Again, NO ENEMIES were there yet, and he didn't wait for me to leave before blowing his RDX, killing me and making me respawn back on my titan.....

[Talus]

RDX should have less splash damage/damage to the core.

That way, those click happy recon soldiers won't score as many TKs while going for their precious pins/badges and the Titan rounds won't solely depend on which team can get a recon soldier squad with RDX on the Titan first.

[Chiron]

This is why I always play servers with no FF. I have gotten rather good at squirrling away AP so it is damn impossible to see unless you go by it. So naturally even if I broadcast "THE VENTS HAVE AP SET" some moron goes there runs by the AP and I get a punish. If I work with my Team to fully load up a core with RDX that when I say GO GO GO they all run for the door. However there are usually 2 or 3 who are staring at the RDX and firing at the core with guns. So I take the punish hit, clear them out and my squaddies run back in to finish with another RDX run if I'm the only one with RDX.
I never punish any more unless its a obvious TK. 70% of the rest of the nubs in the game punish within a 10th of a second without even thinking if it was intentional.

[KopMcGinty]

This is why I always play servers with no FF. I have gotten rather good at squirrling away AP so it is damn impossible to see unless you go by it. So naturally even if I broadcast "THE VENTS HAVE AP SET" some moron goes there runs by the AP and I get a punish. If I work with my Team to fully load up a core with RDX that when I say GO GO GO they all run for the door. However there are usually 2 or 3 who are staring at the RDX and firing at the core with guns. So I take the punish hit, clear them out and my squaddies run back in to finish with another RDX run if I'm the only one with RDX.
I never punish any more unless its a obvious TK. 70% of the rest of the nubs in the game punish within a 10th of a second without even thinking if it was intentional.

Thats spot on. Recon get the single most effective tool for downing Cores, yet its impossible to blow the thing without TK's because of Assault and Support guys shooting their peashooters at it. Those two classes should be securing the perimiter and letting the Recon and Engis who can actually take it down do their job, instead while i stand there with the detonator in hand like a knob, i get gunned down by the defenders because the idiots want to tickle the core rather than shhot the enemy.

Dont blame the recons for trying to win the round, blame the guys that dont understand RDX goes Boom. I give 3 warning of Go,Go,Go, some clear out but there is always someone being a tard, if we are way in front i wait for a defender to kill him for me, then blow the core and get the kills to boot, if its really close, then well sometimes you just have to take the hit (and the innevitable punish that comes with it).

[Eagoyle]

RDX on the core is a great thing. I love watching the titan's health meter jump down. What bothers me is when a stupid recon player runs down to one of the consoles that I am currently destroying with a Pilum.

I have had many times where I have already had two shots on it, and in come a recon player, places his RDX, I get the third shot in and destroy it, and he sets off his RDX doing nothing but killing me.

If an Engineer or Recon is currently destroying a console (say console 1), head to the next one (console 3). So that when number 1 is done, you can start on number 3 quickly before the defenses are set-up.

The power of RDX is strong, use it wisely.

Eagoyle

[Haemogod]

The fact is that on public servers people do not stand clear, so there will be collateral damage. And if you pull the trigger knowing that, then the responsibility is yours.



No, someone else can place 1 rdx on your 5, and well how is it your fault?

[Talus]

I've often been happily destroying a console with my Pilum...2 shots already in and reloading for my third...no enemies in sight (in fact, I spent the past few minutes clearing the hallway solo)...and some idiot with RDX comes along and blows the console and me into oblivion. He gets the points (and credits towards badges/pins) and happily scurries off, continuing to live, and blowing up more consoles and TKing more teammates while I stare at the spawn screen waiting 15 seconds to start all over again.

How is that right?

Recon Soldiers: If you see a LONE SOLDIER BLASTING A CONSOLE IN AN EMPTY CONSOLE CORRIDOR .. MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CORRIDOR!!!!!

[Vreki]

No, someone else can place 1 rdx on your 5, and well how is it your fault?

You pull the trigger -> your fault.
He pulls the trigger -> his fault.

But the TK system may decide otherwise, it seems a bit random in those cases.

[Col.Krust]

well I think its whiners selfish folks who want the kill for themselves, but don't play the best class to do so. the guys who do the most damage quickly should be the ones attacking the core while the others defend and kill infantry like heros.

That means recon guys with det packs charge the things and engies rocket it. The other classes are infantry killers...thats what they should do. throw nades into the core if your recons/engies go down or pick up his kit and do it yourself.

some supports with clarks to resupply so the recons can blow thru multiple consoles and everyone can endlessly spam nades if need be.

How hard is it to change to a more effective class if you want to blow the core. How hard is it to attempt to not be in the blast radius if it is...or to defend like a good jihadist for the win.

I bet much of the time, in those cramped confines the recon guy gives his all for the teams win...is it such a loss that his teammates providing close support within the core might too?

72 virgins await you.

core assist points would be nice.

And Talus while I agree with you...if he was able to run away from that blast you could have too....unless your goal was to punish him for a tk to get him to think about what he did. He was in the wrong no doubt (either selfish or a noob).

They key is to try to be as sporting as possible...and step aside for the bigger gun. The pilum is pretty much the biggest gun...:D.

[Vreki]

Well, the two points of view are more or less:

A) Everybody else is selfish buggers who should move out of the way so the Recon can save the day with RDX

B) Recons are selfish Buggers who glady TK an entire Squad to get their awards.


IMHO if Recon was removed from the game, only Recon players would miss it. I don´t think the same can be said for Engineers /Assault / Support, the all have vital roles in a team.

I´m not saying that Recon should be removed, just food for thought.

[Col.Krust]

Yeah I play all the classes but engy a fair bit. in bf2 was a medic or engy mostly and a sometimes spec ops.

the greed is the folks who prefer that their weapons are the ones that blow the core..rather than those who can do it fastest.

A tactic of nade spam and pilum shots might be the safest way...who knows.

whats inconsiderate is people who don't move if they can when dets are placed...or people who blow them indiscrimantly without allowing their teammates to move.

fact is the guy who stands there with his scar-11 blazing away when a charge is placed is the same dewd who stood in the middle of the run way in front of the jet on bf2.....not a team player.

[-=Phizzo=-]

guess im not alone huh there's been sometimes where i just ran in there and threw all my demo paks and fired away and killed some peeps and got punished......IM GETTING THE JOB DONE BOIII dont be hatin :(

there was this one time where at console 1 we all stormed in and i layed the down the demopaks and everybody already knew to back off except one dude who kept firing away......i spent almost a minute telling him to move so where the others that were there (amazingly enough in that time span were still werent attacked at console 1) so i just went and blew the dam thing and of course got the obligitory punish and wtf did you do that for

[TWRAM]

That is why I play on FF off servers, where rdx doesn't kill you or your teammates. There are to many noobs playing titan for them to comprehend backing awaying when rdx is thrown on a console or core.

[Arcalane]

I hate it when people don't give you a chance to get out the way, but generally, if you see someone practically humping the core then chances are they're sticking RDX to it, so get the hell out of the way before you get blown up. ;)

No selfdamage or teamdamage from RDX is hilarious. I accidentally detonated it in my own face once - whilst I took no damage, I was bounced up and off the Titan Core room ceiling. A little dazed and confused, but quite as bad as the time I went about 10m into the air from an AV Rocket jump. :laugh:

[Talus]

guess im not alone huh there's been sometimes where i just ran in there and threw all my demo paks and fired away and killed some peeps and got punished......IM GETTING THE JOB DONE BOIII dont be hatin :(

there was this one time where at console 1 we all stormed in and i layed the down the demopaks and everybody already knew to back off except one dude who kept firing away......i spent almost a minute telling him to move so where the others that were there (amazingly enough in that time span were still werent attacked at console 1) so i just went and blew the dam thing and of course got the obligitory punish and wtf did you do that for

Here's a thought..show some restraint.

If you see a soldier blasting away at a console and you know he'll get the job done, pick your RDX up again, leave that guy alone and let him have that console. You run to the next corridor and it'll be open by the time you get there and THEN use your RDX.

Restraint.

Recon soldiers don't have the right to blow up every console with their RDX. Heck, whip out your primary weapon and start blasting...HELP the guy.

[-=Phizzo=-]

Here's a thought..show some restraint.

If you see a soldier blasting away at a console and you know he'll get the job done, pick your RDX up again, leave that guy alone and let him have that console. You run to the next corridor and it'll be open by the time you get there and THEN use your RDX.

Restraint.

Recon soldiers don't have the right to blow up every console with their RDX. Heck, whip out your primary weapon and start blasting...HELP the guy.

yea but.....i had already layed down the law and everybody was on there way to console 3 and he was still just standing there blasting away...what are the odds that he could actually take out the console in time without finally get assaulted on while we are all stuck at the console 3 shield wondering why it's still up

[Talus]

Well, what would you have done if he was an engie using AT rockets or a pilum?

If he was just using his rifle, then yeah...you shouldn't expect him to get the job done.

[-=Phizzo=-]

he was an assault guy i remeber that

i guess your correct but there's still a lot of time for someone to come running in and kill him

[Talus]

So your answer really is 'no, I would just blow him up even if he WAS an engie with 1 shot left'? ;)

I noticed that you never actually answered the question :D

[-=Phizzo=-]

So your answer really is 'no, I would just blow him up even if he WAS an engie with 1 shot left'? ;)

I noticed that you never actually answered the question :D

i fail :(

class at 8:00am is UGH....and im freaking tired so meh

[Sneaky Assassin]

So your answer really is 'no, I would just blow him up even if he WAS an engie with 1 shot left'? ;)


Depending on how mean I was feeling that day, depends on whether I push the button;) Most of the time I'll leave them to blast away and throw my RDX somewhere else.

[KopMcGinty]

THing is both points of view are right.

The Recons that blow it with no warning etc are idiots.
The non recons that stand there like idiots when a recon sets up and warns repeatedly are idiots too.

When i am recon i dont have a god given right to blow the core, i do have the tools to do it fastest though, when i am not recon or engi i know full well i could dry myself of ammo and not get it done so i dont even try, i secure the area so those who can, can. Its not rocket science but that middle ground seems to be beyond a lot of people.

[XenrisReborn]

the real tragedy isnt people punishing for the tks, its that if u have 6 guys in the reactor core and anybody blows rdx, they all die, and the enemy holds onto the reactor room for the rest of the round, since we know this is an issue, and people are going to continue blowing rdx's, why doesnt someone just pick medic, and keep reviving people?

[Bombless]

Because the medic died along with everybody else since he went in with the rest of the squad to secure the core for the engies to get to work.

I have no right to tell recons not to use RDX in the titan, but you damn well bet i'll punish your *** for blowing me up. And yes, if i see RDX being planted i haul *** out of the room, but most of the time i along with the 3-4 other friendlies in the vicinity don't get the chance to.

[GatorShawn]

Are we still not clear about the punishes? How long has BF2 and now BF2142 been out?

YOU DO NOT LOSE POINTS FOR PUNISHES!!!!!

Is that clear? The only reason it SEEMS like you get different points for TKs sometimes is because sometimes you do Team Damage before you get the Team Kill. It has nothing to do with punishes.

[Squishyface56]

My points go down by 2 when i tk lol

[Col.Krust]

also if the charges have been planted but the guy didn't det them. pick up the kit if you are the last man standing run out of the room and blow it for all its worth.

I have several times as recon covered a engy taking consoles out. those corridors are very cramped and its almost easier and safer to cover the engy shooting the consoles....less chance of collateral damage or getting shot in the back.

[Hathegkla]

yeah I just don't care about killing team mates stupid enough to run up to the titan core fireing away at it with the voss while its obviously covered in demo packs. I've gotten enough unlocks to where I'm not so concerned with points anymore. I think that maybe if people are blown up 1000 or 2000 times they may just learn to step back and stop trying to stab the core.

[Digikid]

Are we still not clear about the punishes? How long has BF2 and now BF2142 been out?

YOU DO NOT LOSE POINTS FOR PUNISHES!!!!!

Is that clear? The only reason it SEEMS like you get different points for TKs sometimes is because sometimes you do Team Damage before you get the Team Kill. It has nothing to do with punishes.

Wrong wron a hundred time WRONG!

You DO lose points for TKing. I have seen it happen and I have the guide that proves it.:rolleyes:

[Vreki]

Wrong wron a hundred time WRONG!

You DO lose points for TKing. I have seen it happen and I have the guide that proves it.:rolleyes:

Not sure if that was a typo, but of course you lose points for Teamkilling.
The question is if punishing subtracts more points, or it just adds to your getting-kicked account.

[RangerWest]

They need a hot key that says...

"BACK UP DER' IS A BOMB ERE' MATE!"

Then everyone in the area's screen flashes red and blue as long as they are in the burst radius. With large yellow arrows pointing at the little bomb with big Nintendo style words "Not a health or ammo pack!" above it.

Then again the guys still trying to knife/pistol the console right next to the RDX after the warning should be punished by CTD-ing at the end of the round.

(kek)

[Aedus]

I HATE IT when a recon guy will just blow up a console without even looking whos around, when I blow consoles ill watch if people are around and say "go go go" if they are in the way

they have 5 seconds to move after I say move it, if they dont they die

[GatorShawn]

Wrong wron a hundred time WRONG!

You DO lose points for TKing. I have seen it happen and I have the guide that proves it.:rolleyes:

-2 for a TK
-1 for team damage
-0 for a PUNISH

You either get -2 or -3 when you TK someone but it has to do with whether or not you WOUNDED them before you killed them. a Full health TK usually nets you the -3 pts. TK'ing someone who is less than 50% health usually nets you the -2. Punishing is administrative and does not affect the score.