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variablek
12-02-2006, 06:29 PM
geez anyone have any luck getting the 30 conquest commander score?
i am really have some trouble getting this and am a little lost on how points for that badge are aquired....

all i know is:
you tell a squad where to attack they get points and then you get points (how many? is it a fraction of a point? does this count towards badge?)

you orbital strike (1 point per kill im guessing and im pretty sure it counts towards badge)

if i kill someone while commanding with my gun do i get any points towards the badge (i think i dont)

supply crate (do i get points for this? if so how many per resupply?)

as far as i know this is the only way to get points for that badge...could someone lend me some advice as how to get 30?

small server....large server small amount of pple etc etc

ive read a lot of posts on commanding but i havent seen any on how points are acrued and how many you get...

thanks again

InfraRedPS
12-02-2006, 06:35 PM
The only thing I know for sure is that your commander score is firstly the average score of your team, it won't go down but it will go up. The commander bonus (+1) is added on at the end of the round so they don't count towards the badge. (It's added on when you get a view of all the awards you received that round with the Join Game button)

You don't get any points for kills and you only get bonus scores when people use your supply crate or kill an enemy you have spotted. Remember bonus scores don't count towards the badge as they are added after the round ends.

Ecko
12-02-2006, 06:54 PM
The only thing I know for sure is that your commander score is firstly the average score of your team, it won't go down but it will go up. The commander bonus (+1) is added on at the end of the round so they don't count towards the badge. (It's added on when you get a view of all the awards you received that round with the Join Game button)

You don't get any points for kills and you only get bonus scores when people use your supply crate or kill an enemy you have spotted. Remember bonus scores don't count towards the badge as they are added after the round ends.

This was a real bummer for me, sevral times i got 60-70 commander bonus score with no luck. I now know how to get the badge... but alas rounds end to soon normally for my score to be high enough.

variablek
12-02-2006, 07:05 PM
so basically the only way to get it is if the average score of everyone on your team is 30 or above?

am i reading that correctly?

geez well i doubt ill ever get it now lol

WarpaQ
12-02-2006, 07:13 PM
so basically the only way to get it is if the average score of everyone on your team is 30 or above?

am i reading that correctly?

geez well i doubt ill ever get it now lol

It's easy to get if your team follows orders and isn't filled with lone wolf fools :)

I would say try you luck on random servers that are nearly full and have a lot of camp gib / fall of berlin in the rotation :)

RevRen|Sloth
12-02-2006, 07:23 PM
I'm also having a problem with this badge as well.

InfraRedPS
12-02-2006, 07:27 PM
I believe your team capturing points is a straight +1 to your commander score in the round. A squad capturing a point that you've ordered them to is only a bonus score which like i've already said only gets added on after the round has ended. I don't know these two things to be fact though so don't quote me on them.

This is also why it's important to kick idlers so you can have active players to increase the average team score. Remember it wont go down but if your two high score players leave the server or get team switched it will take a while for your score to increase again as the average team score has to be increased again to meet your higher commander score.

Also I believe if you become commander and already have some score, you wont instantly get the team score added on, but i don't know what happens after that. You can't also go commander just as your team wins for the 2x bonus, you won't be awarded it.

variablek
12-02-2006, 07:27 PM
It's easy to get if your team follows orders and isn't filled with lone wolf fools :)

I would say try you luck on random servers that are nearly full and have a lot of camp gib / fall of berlin in the rotation :)

alright good advice i will continue my quest thanks again

Jlspence
12-02-2006, 09:09 PM
As in BF2, to maximize your commander score, you need to get into a larger map with uncaps that is about half full. This helps maximize flag caps and draws the round out. Either that, or be lucky like I was and command on a city map (Cerebere Landing) with two equal teams and lots of flag swapping and other team points. My team won 9-0.

Kudu
12-02-2006, 09:55 PM
Commander score isn't based on your teams average score, where did you hear that? All I know 100% is that you get a fraction of a point when a squad gets a kill in an order radius, other things affect your commander score too but I'm not sure what they are.

Jeffro420
12-02-2006, 10:00 PM
You need good squads for sure. Also, if you run with your team, you can resuppply/heal/repair for points and flag captures count also. I sat back and commanded forever and couldnt get it. Then I commanded and actually played normal still, with good squads, and ended with 47 points, 197 commander bonus points. Every time I command and still play the game I get get over 30 points. A lot of servers dont like the commander playing, but if you get the chance, do it.

Mr.Bubbles43
12-02-2006, 11:15 PM
I am having probs with this too, I have been 1 away 2x now. The first time I was 1 away and the game would have lasted about 10 more minutes, then an admin who wanted gold kicked, I WAS ****ING MAD!:mad: :wall: :shakehead: :thatsbad: :dead:

InfraRedPS
12-02-2006, 11:44 PM
Commander score isn't based on your teams average score, where did you hear that? All I know 100% is that you get a fraction of a point when a squad gets a kill in an order radius, other things affect your commander score too but I'm not sure what they are.

The Commander score is determined by the individual team members' scores. And if the Commander leads the troops to a victorious round, there will be an additional bonus. (40)

variablek
12-03-2006, 06:00 AM
haha so basically we are all still in the dark! okay well i will try all your ideas and see where it leads me

thanks all! for your good advice...even if its wrong its still helpful! maybe someday we will really understand it

Ecko
12-03-2006, 06:35 AM
Just got the bronze!!! Finally.

Ok the Facts:

-Commander Bonus does not count towards the bronze... but does for the Silver and Gold.
-Commander Score is the Mean of your team mates. If you have 3 team mates, all at 30 your score will be 30. If you have two at 20 and one at 30 your score will be 23.

Best way to get this badge is to get up really early and hop on a server with a few people (20 were on a 48 player server so the game didn't go too quick) Also run around as a medic reviving like mad trying to keep the game going aslong as possible.

entertainer
12-03-2006, 07:33 AM
Go on a 16 man gibraltar 64 map, i just came off from getting ~70 commander IAR adding up to over 300 over all at round end.

Kudu
12-03-2006, 09:57 AM
The Commander score is determined by the individual team members' scores.
Commander Score is the Mean of your team mates. If you have 3 team mates, all at 30 your score will be 30. If you have two at 20 and one at 30 your score will be 23.
Then explain to me how in a game yesterday, our commander on Cerbere had 75 commander points without bonus, he was the highest score on both teams and had been commander for the whole round. No mean can explain that, can it?

InfraRedPS
12-03-2006, 10:47 AM
Hacks :)

Or stat padders...

But seriously, that tip is straight from DICE.

If you look at a commander in game on the scoreboard, he will always be roughly in the middle of the team with no team points. Unless of course he became commander after obtaining team points.

High players or stat padders that get kicked or leave the game will push the commander up of course.

gergnoodle
12-03-2006, 11:59 AM
i got my badge by actively fighting getting your own kills seems to count defending flags with apms or rdx or with grenades

you dont necassarily have to be front line or using the armour

in titan i fly with the transport as engineer since there really isnt much to do for a while as commnder throw mines down on roads etc i beleive helps the score same with defedning the titan when shields go down every little bit helps

entertainer
12-03-2006, 12:10 PM
Then explain to me how in a game yesterday, our commander on Cerbere had 75 commander points without bonus, he was the highest score on both teams and had been commander for the whole round. No mean can explain that, can it?

People with high scores disconnect, new people join, they get points, his points still go up from new peoples points.

Leeus
12-03-2006, 12:12 PM
[QUOTE=InfraRedPS;170549]
You don't get any points for .... an enemy you have spotted. QUOTE]


But you do get targeting assist points.

Kudu
12-03-2006, 12:13 PM
So your saying you can sit around the whole round doing nothing and get a gold star? That's some design flaw there.

entertainer
12-03-2006, 12:18 PM
So your saying you can sit around the whole round doing nothing and get a gold star? That's some design flaw there.

No it's not, commanders get points for doing things, the (+commander) bonus is awarded for doing commander-like things.

If you think it's a design flaw why have you not noticed it in the several years that bf2 has been out and in the few months 2142 has been out? It's quite noticable.

Kudu
12-03-2006, 12:21 PM
I seriously don't understand.

Haemogod
12-03-2006, 12:43 PM
I know i havent read the thread, but if you want commander bronze, go to the CTU server its a 24 player map running 64 player conquest senarios, i got silver and bronze in one round with a total before doubling of 48 :)

If this is stat padding, its not my server :P

Minmaster
12-03-2006, 01:22 PM
the 30 commander score has nothing to do with what you do in the game. it took me a lot of tries to get this badge, but i got it by finding a server that was running a large 64 player setting with only max 48 people and 300 tickets. i got it on cerebere landing i think. basically, you want few people that score a lot. if some loser is playing and he's got like 0 or negative pts., it will mess up your average. oh and the person who said your commander score doesnt go down, i seen it go down. i was at 30 and when someone new joined and didnt score for a bit, he brought my score down to 29. but it went back to 30 just in time for the round to end and for me to get that bronze badge. remember, try not to get kills and capture flag points yourself, because you are taking away those pts from others. instead, go for kill damage assists and capture assists, so that your team scores more for you. all in all, this is such a strange badge, because it has nothing to do with your actual performance.

BCSMC
12-03-2006, 04:51 PM
In basically every round I'm commander, if the team wins, I'm at least getting a silver star if not the gold. This is just pure commanding, not fighting out on the front.

StormPirate
12-03-2006, 05:18 PM
People with high scores disconnect, new people join, they get points, his points still go up from new peoples points.

From my understanding, every time someone on your team scores a point, you get a fraction of that point added to your score. The fraction is equal to 1 divided by the number of players on your team. So if there are 25 people on your team, you will score 0.04 points (1 divided by 25) whenever one of them earns a point. If someone leaves the server it does not matter: you have already earned points for whatever they did. Also, if someone loses points for team damage, you are not penalized. This explains why your commander score will not usually be the mean of your team's scores.

So, the others that stated that getting the badge on a large server with fewer players are correct. You have more tickets, so the games lasts longer, and fewer players usually means more flags changing hands more often which usually yields more points. Plus, fewer players means that you a higher fraction for each point your team earns.

I have the Silver Commander Excellence Badge and I am working towards Gold now.

goldennova
12-03-2006, 05:37 PM
Although I don't have the badge ( stupid disconnect errors), I have gotten 30 points in a single round before ( before the times 2). Its best to choose a relatively small map. That way you can be assured that there will be some guys who have more than 30 points. Some will have less than 30 but it should average out to about 30. Basically use all the support you can to assure a win. Do not OWN the team by having like 190 tickets to zero. Win, but make it rather close. If you see that your team is leading by alot and you don't have 30 points yet than tone things down a bit, just to make the round last longer. It may be unethical but it works.

StormPirate
12-03-2006, 06:23 PM
Win, but make it rather close. If you see that your team is leading by alot and you don't have 30 points yet than tone things down a bit, just to make the round last longer. It may be unethical but it works.

As long as you ensure your team the win, then you are doing your job IMO. It doesn't matter if you win 180-0 or 20-0. You've done your job.

mjt2289
12-03-2006, 06:43 PM
no man, I had no prob gettin' the titan one, but i've yet to get the conquest.

Commander score isn't based on your teams average score, where did you hear that? All I know 100% is that you get a fraction of a point when a squad gets a kill in an order radius, other things affect your commander score too but I'm not sure what they are.

Yeah it's your global score that reflects the team average. Commander score is based on the kills ur team makes in the command radius, uav's with lots of people in it, kills to people u've located with sat track, etc.

Jlspence
12-04-2006, 05:41 PM
You need good squads for sure. Also, if you run with your team, you can resuppply/heal/repair for points and flag captures count also. I sat back and commanded forever and couldnt get it. Then I commanded and actually played normal still, with good squads, and ended with 47 points, 197 commander bonus points. Every time I command and still play the game I get get over 30 points. A lot of servers dont like the commander playing, but if you get the chance, do it.

Any points you earn as a player are counted separately from your commander score so they don't help in meeting requirements for commander score.

variablek
12-05-2006, 03:56 AM
i guess when i posted this i never thought id start such a confusin ruckis but i think the general concensus is (i know my spelling is horrible)

commander score only goes up by average of teammates scores

well even if that isnt the case its a good standard to go by because its worst case scenario so if you do get extra points for other things then your golden

thanks for all the help everyone and im very happy this thread didnt turn into any flame wars! GOOD JOB!