The Punish Button!

[Bahraini_Killer]

Yup another topic has to be refreshed from time to time...where many of you I know are suffering big time with this punish habbit going all over the game.

and honestlysince I got this game and I have been TK'd many times and not once I punished. however due to the above habbit of people punishing I actually started to do the same and I think I know why.

Admins kick good players from servers in order to get room for glory.

people punishing others to lay them down with their score and trigger them off, again to have some room in the stand of glory.

I have never ever ever been not punnished for a TK...I always get punished no matter what I did.

but it's really started to be a habbit all around punshing for no reason and people just get so into the game the actually enjoy punishing to ease things down to them.

childesh...but I wouldnt care much anymore unless someone comes up with an idea to solve this issue with a bright idea to EA-Dice :D

[Riggz]

I punish all the time...but only if it's stupid and careless. An accidental nade is understandable, but if you're behind me and u shoot thru me to kill someone I'm shooting at...well..insta-punish. I get punished for accidents sometimes though. ..probably most times. Even after saying sorry. So I don't feel bad at all giving it back.

[Bahraini_Killer]

see that kind of behavior is taking all of us to punish...it's being miss used....

[Random Hero666]

I punnish/forgive depending on the tk. Sometimes I punnish for no reason when I am having a bad game. I almost always forgive for tks and always get punnished for tks

[Random Hero666]

I always forgive if they say sorry or I get revived. Its pointless to punish if you get revived, becasue there was no harm done and it's only hurting your team. PUNNISHING FOR TK'S ONLY HURTS YOUR TEAM

[evolvtYon]

I usually never punnish tk, even when it is done on purpose i usually don't punish the first time. If the retard keeps insisting, then he suffers.

Admins kick good players from servers in order to get room for glory.


Yup, unfortunately some people do that. All we can do is report that server.

[Mongo Only Pawn]

If someone doesn't apologize in 5 seconds, they're punished.
I NEVER mindlessly just hit punish. Treat others as you wish to be treated yourself.

[Revoluti0n]

Unfortunately, this is really nothing new. In fact, if you think about it this problem has been going on since before BF2. It actually started in Counter-Strike when adminmod came out like 6-7 years ago, although someone could probably point to an earlier instance of punish abuse. If you think it's bad now wait until after Christmas. Everyone that does not have the game now will certainly have it within the next couple weeks.
As far as smacktard admins, well I am sure that there is no shortage of those running around. But you really cannot put all the blame on them. No one wants to pay for a server that will be empty all the time, so in reality the people that endlessly hang out in those crap servers are really to blame.
The easiest solution with 15,000+ ranked and unranked servers out there would be to find one that is not run by morons. Complaining about the problem will not necessarily fix it, I hope people on BOTH ends of the issue would start using common sense. Another more drastic fix would be to rent your own server and run it accordingly, so long as it falls within the guidelines of the ROE.

[5TAK3D]

I'll punish the idiot RDX pointwhores/statpadders who kill a few people trying desperately to get console or core points for themselves. Other than that, case by case basis. Generally unless you did something really stupid/deliberate and don't apologise I won't punish. People who decide to go AFK while flying a transport out of bounds however deserve it. If you do apologise, people tend to be willing to let it go.

(In advance: no, Mr RDX-whore, you are not doing it "for the team". Doing something "for the team" does not involve being a selfish moron. That squad is there for a reason. You are not the lone saviour or whatever fantasy delusion you're under. You just want to win the round? Wrong way of playing. Team effort. Play to help the Team win but not at their expense. There is no "I" in team.)

[evilzucchini]

I really just don't care about being punished asI have never been kicked from 2142 because of being punished for accidental TKs and only punish when it was clearly intentional, which means I rarely punish.

I think the TK punish system is great. I have run into NO smacktards in 2142 that just go around intentionally TKing all of their teammates and I have never been kicked because of being punished. Works like a charm, the system is great.

Everyone should be professing their love for this system rather than whining about a meaningless punish.

[The_Eliminator]

All of you people are Type A personalities ;)

Look it up if you dont know.

[centepede]

what cracks me up is that now everyone who post here in this topic...lol...is going to claim they themselves never punish...lol. We know we all have done it if not a few times then several times. There's a lot of point whores out there that would do anything for a point, including killing there own teammate if they are in there line of fire. You better believe I'm going to punish you for your damn selfishness and lack of teamwork. Anything I can do to stop you from getting that gold medal you want so bad at the end of the round. The point is I could care less if you ge the medal or not. What I do care about are the things you do in order to get that medal that makes me want to punish and take your points away.
I've said it many times before and will say it again...ever since the implementation of stats the bf series have gotten worst and worst. I'm not talking about the actual game, Im talking about the thousands of smacktards and idiots that play for themselves. You know, just to stack up points...to be number one.

[evilzucchini]

what cracks me up is that now everyone who post here in this topic...lol...is going to claim they themselves never punish...lol.
Really. I don't. I used to. However, I learned a few things. First, getting punished doesn't do anything to me. I have never been kicked because of an accidental punish, so why should I let it frustrate me? Second, it is a self-perpetuating cycle of frustration punishes. I was punishing to let my frustration out on someone else. This would make them more frustrated which would make them more likely to punish the next person. Increasing the frustration only increases the amount of punishes. I believe that if I don't punish, I am more likely not to be punished myself.

Anything I can do to stop you from getting that gold medal you want so bad at the end of the round.
Punishing someone has ABSOLUTELY NO effect on their score. None what-so-ever. Zilch. Zero.

Plus, TKing you is not a good way to get a gold medal. You lose three points for a TK, which means that you would have to kill 3 people just to even out. Noone is TKing you because they are trying to get the gold medal. I gaurantee you if oyu get into the line of someone's fire they aren't intentionally gunning you down to get to the enemy so that they can get the gold medal. . .that would be the worst strategy ever. It is a mistake. Deal with it.

[Mr.Bubbles43]

I like auto-punish servers. Then people don't get mad at each other and if tk too many times, byby. Only bad part is once I was playing with my clan in our server and I was in a chopper, then someone on the other team shot me down and my chopper landed ontop of most of my team, got kicked for about 10 tks LOL!

[DigitalSPG]

As evilzucchini said.

Being punished does not effect your score just as it didn't in BF2. If you get punished just ignore it and get on with the game.

The points you loose vary on wether you do damage before the kill or damage a team vehicle. I accidently blew up a transport yesterday, entirely my fault. TK'd two, both punished and I lost a sum total of 4 points.

It will only effect you if you repeatedly TK and people keep punishing you. In that case you'll be booted from the server.

[parish]

The people who auto-punish just pi$$ me off to no end. I am so sick of it that now if I am punished for an obvious accidental TK, I now make it a point to find that player again and show them what a deliberate TK is like. I first warn them I am coming to TK them. Then when I find them, I knife, shoot or if I am really upset run them down with a vehicle. Then I ask them if they could tell the difference. I usually do it in a VERY obvious way. Like I will pull up behind them in buggy, honk the horn and when they turn and are staring at me, floor it and hit the booster. I found that using this method helps to show stupid people the difference between an "accident" and a "I ran your a$$ over" moment. Perhaps in the future they will think twice before punishing again.

Here is my favorite scenario.

1. Get on the enemy Titan.
2. Run up to a console, slam RDX on it and begin to run off.
3. Then realize some stupid assault or better yet, support guy is shooting the thing with his gun.
4. Run back up and tell them to get out of the way.
5. They don't.
6. Run off and hit the trigger. *BOOM* and a punish for a TK.

The best is when 5 of them are surrounding the core. They see you plant RDX on it. They then watch you run out. Then they walk up and stare right at the RDX as if under a trance waiting to be killed by a teammate. They never move. You watch them as they shoot rifles, pistols and machine guns at the core. You think how sweet it would be to blow the core and end the round, but you can't because some retards are chanting to your RDX. *BOOM* TK's abound.

Here’s the main point. Some common sense goes a long way in this game. If you find yourself getting TK’d all the time, then perhaps the issue is you, not the other player. I will give more examples to help the special players.

The following actions may get you killed by a teammate:

1. Walking directly in front of a walker down the middle of the street.
2. Walking directly in front of a tank down the middle of the street.
3. Walking directly in front of an APC down the middle of the street.
4. Walking out in front of a speeding buggy.
5. Standing on top of RDX your teammate plated.
6. Getting into a vehicle AFTER watching a teammate strap RDX to the front of it.
7. Laying down in front of your teammate who is ALREADY laying down guarding the titan hallway.
8. Running TOWARDS the grenade you just watched your teammate throw.
9. Running into the middle of an Orbital Strike your commander placed.

Here’s the thing to consider kids. IF YOU WOULD NOT DO IT IN FRONT OF THE ENEMY DO NOT DO IT TO YOUR TEAMMATES !!!!! You would not run out in front of an enemy tank, into a barrage of enemy grenades, into the enemy Orbital Strike etc. etc.

[Shazanelli]

By the way guys, the other day I played in a server with friendly fire on, but team punishes was off. Was really refreshing actually. But I can think of many ways how this could be abused by stupid ppl....

[parish]

I'll punish the idiot RDX pointwhores/statpadders who kill a few people trying desperately to get console or core points for themselves.

(In advance: no, Mr RDX-whore, you are not doing it "for the team". Doing something "for the team" does not involve being a selfish moron. That squad is there for a reason. You are not the lone saviour or whatever fantasy delusion you're under. You just want to win the round? Wrong way of playing. Team effort. Play to help the Team win but not at their expense. There is no "I" in team.)
I'm going to ask you something. How many round from your machine gun does it take to blow a Titan core? Don't know? It's an easy answer. Too many!

It takes 5 full rounds of RDX to take out a core. That's 25 RDX packs. That means you need some support guys covering your butt to get the job done. You cannot do it alone. You don't have 25 packs of RDX, you have 5.

Now let's focus on something else. Why do you think RDX is in the game? Is it because it takes a big explosion to blow some stuff up? Is it that way on purpose? I bet it is. Try taking out commander assets with a tank, walker, grenade, gun or pilum. Then after 20 minutes of you wasting your ammo for no reason, ask a Recon guy to take the stuff out. 10 seconds later, it's done. Are you beginning to understand now?

You NEED RDX to take out the Titan core in a timely fashion. Let me repeat that because it bears repeating. You NEED RDX to take out a Titan core in a timely fashion. Spending 5 minutes in the core while dying repeatedly and not actually destroying the core is kind of stupid right?

I guess the TEAM aspect would be to end the round victorious and with as little deaths as possible while proving to be an asset to the assault on a Titan. Oh.... wait a sec.... That's what RDX can do. Interesting....

Please feel free to explain how blowing up the Titan quickly is a bad thing and how hanging out in the core while under a barrage of grenades is FUN and a TEAM thing. I thought being a team meant working together towards the common goal. The common goal in a Titan map is to take out the enemy Titan right? Why give the enemy a chance to even board yours.

RDX is your friend stupid. Also make note that using RDX is not stat padding. You only have 5 packs. I can't even begin to understand your logic on that one, but it speaks volumes to your intellect.

[Herr Starr]

I think part of the problem with the system is that you get no message when someone forgives you so you never notice
When someone punishes, you get the message "XXXX punishes you for a TK" which makes the TK'er mad. You don't lose extra points for a punish but you still think "What a #^$&*^#&*$^*"

I think that a message saying
"XXXX forgives you for that boneheaded TK"
would spread more goodwill and make people not mind so much when they are punished.


Remember it's YOUR TEAMMATE you are punishing. It's rare that people TK deliberately. The 3 point penalty is hefty enough.

Oh and by the way.... all you guys who have posted (and there's always a half dozen on each of these threads) saying stuff like

"I forgive TKs. Oh except when someone does this this this or this. I always punish that." and think that somehow makes you better than the people who always punish.

IT DOESN'T. YOU ARE THE SAME AS THEM. You either forgive everything or you are a punisher. At least the auto-punishers don't pretend that their sh1t doesn't stink.

[nutcrackr]

Most people don't TK delibrately but most tks are just stupid and I punish for stupidity. If you say sorry I am less likely to punish because you've realised that you did a stupid thing. I don't know why people get worked up when somebody punishes them.

[Herr Starr]

. I don't know why people get worked up when somebody punishes them.

It's that extra rub in the face.
Usually a TK is a complete accident. Very few people deliberatly do something to hurt their teammates. When you punish you are deliberately CHOOSING to act against your team. The main effect of punishing someone is to p1ss them off.
So by punishing you are just pissing someone off because you can. Spreading the hurt around.

I get annoyed when someone kills me anytime. It is that extra bit annoying when it is a TK. Do I punish just to annoy them back?

I try and forgive always. I'm not perfect and do get cranky and punish sometimes. What do I gain? NOTHING.

Try auto-forgiving. It makes you feel a lot better.

[BCSMC]

I try to always forgive, unless it was intentional or utterly retarded. However there are just some rounds where nothing seems to go right, and that tk is the last straw. That's when I just pound the Y button and get on with the match hoping the fix the mess. Sometimes I realize and regret it, others I just don't care. But overall, it's forgive 99% of the time.

[nutcrackr]

So by punishing you are just pissing someone off because you can. Spreading the hurt around. .
Like I said I don't punish to annoy somebody, if I wanted to do that I'd ram their vehicles with my damaged FAV or stand in front of them when they were shooting/driving off.

I punish because I got killed by somebody doing something stupid. The person needs to realize that they did something that I don't consider very smart and hopefully he realizes when he sees the message so next time he isn't so stupid.

[Herr Starr]

Like I said I don't punish to annoy somebody, if I wanted to do that I'd ram their vehicles with my damaged FAV or stand in front of them when they were shooting/driving off.

I punish because I got killed by somebody doing something stupid. The person needs to realize that they did something that I don't consider very smart and hopefully he realizes when he sees the message so next time he isn't so stupid.

So you're teaching them a lesson huh? Right.

That's fine if they ARE doing something really dumb. But most of the time nobody is doing anything dumb. We're nerds playing a game, not a finely trained bunch of soldiers (although some people seem to have delusions on that score). Accidents are gonna happen.

If you punish someone they aren't gonna think
"Oh gee I really screwed up I'd better not do that again".
They are gonna think
"Punish me will ya? I'm **&#$& glad I TK'd you now"
Read back through this thread and tell me I'm wrong. It's how people think.
Two wrongs don't make it right (i can't believe I said that :rolleyes: )

If you wanna change peoples' minds and the way they behave, punishing TKs isn't it. Try forgiving instead.
Carrot and stick. People respond to carrots.
(And so do wabbits).

[evilzucchini]

Like I said I don't punish to annoy somebody, if I wanted to do that I'd ram their vehicles with my damaged FAV or stand in front of them when they were shooting/driving off.

I punish because I got killed by somebody doing something stupid. The person needs to realize that they did something that I don't consider very smart and hopefully he realizes when he sees the message so next time he isn't so stupid.
No, what he is going to say is "WTF? CLEARLY THAT WAS AN ACCIDENT! WHY DID YOU PUNISH ME!!!??"

You are foolish if you think they are going to say "hmm, that punish clearly means I did something wrong, now let me think abotu what it was. . . "

Give me a break.

You aren't teaching people by punishing them, you are just angering them and making it more likely that you will be punished in the future. It is stupid and childish to punish people for accidents, even if they were very stupid.

[Herr Starr]

Zucchini are you reading my mind again?? (gotta get me a new tinfoil hat)

[GrandHero]

Yup another topic has to be refreshed from time to time...where many of you I know are suffering big time with this punish habbit going all over the game.

and honestlysince I got this game and I have been TK'd many times and not once I punished. however due to the above habbit of people punishing I actually started to do the same and I think I know why.

Admins kick good players from servers in order to get room for glory.

people punishing others to lay them down with their score and trigger them off, again to have some room in the stand of glory.

I have never ever ever been not punnished for a TK...I always get punished no matter what I did.

but it's really started to be a habbit all around punshing for no reason and people just get so into the game the actually enjoy punishing to ease things down to them.

childesh...but I wouldnt care much anymore unless someone comes up with an idea to solve this issue with a bright idea to EA-Dice :D

stop TKing...

[Herr Starr]

stop TKing...

Uh huh, good answer. :rolleyes:

People can always be more careful, but TK's will always happen.

I think that's the other problem here. Everyone assumes that their precious video game life is the most important thing.

HOW DARE YOU TK ME YOU LOWLY DOG??? I NOW MUST WASTE 15 SECONDS OF MY VALUABLE TIME! YOU MUST BE PUNISHED!!!!!!!

[tactic356]

Admins kick good players from servers in order to get room for glory.

skunk?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrandHero
stop TKing...

play FF=off

[evilzucchini]

Zucchini are you reading my mind again?? (gotta get me a new tinfoil hat)

Maybe . . .

*looks around suspiciously*

[GrandHero]

FF off

no YOU FF OFF! haha jk jk

[nutcrackr]

No, what he is going to say is "WTF? CLEARLY THAT WAS AN ACCIDENT! WHY DID YOU PUNISH ME!!!??"

You are foolish if you think they are going to say "hmm, that punish clearly means I did something wrong, now let me think abotu what it was. . . "

Give me a break.

You aren't teaching people by punishing them, you are just angering them and making it more likely that you will be punished in the future. It is stupid and childish to punish people for accidents, even if they were very stupid.
Well if people get angry then let them get angry, I have no time to play with people who have a cry when they do something idiotic and get punished for it. I do believe that newish players who aren't quite aware of the gameplay will be more careful next time if they get punished (I know I have). If they don't then it's not my loss, it's theirs. I'm well aware that people get angry and I usually forgive 90% of teamkills.

The options are
Forgive teamkills - they don't see any message, probably don't know they killed anyone and therefore nothing has changed
Punish - they see a message and get angry OR find out they just killed their own teammate.

One option has the chance that somebody will learn something, the other doesn't (can you guess which?). Also I don't consider punishing "wrong" unless it's clearly the fault of the punisher.

I don't honestly believe that if I reduced my punishing that I in turn would be punished less.

[evilzucchini]

I don't honestly believe that if I reduced my punishing that I in turn would be punished less.
Whenever I read these threads whining about being punished there are a number of posts.

The most common is the angry rant "OMG! WTF?!?! I accidentally TKed someone and they punished me!!!" Clearly, getting punished pisses people off. Playing on TS with my friends also reinforces this belief and it used to happen to me.

Inevitably there is another type of post the "I don't normally punish, but sometimes when I am frustrated I will."

Logically, it isn't all that difficult to come to my conclusion. The first type shows that punishing people makes them mad and the second shows that mad people are more likely to punish.

QED, if you punish, you are more likely to be punished because the level of anger on the server will be slightly higher for every punish. I think it is exponential and so the more you are more likely to get forgiven.

So sure, believe what you want. Believe that you are "teaching" someone by punishing them more than you are angering them. . . however, I highly doubt that it is the case and the better lesson to be teaching them is to forgive.

[Herr Starr]

Whenever I read these threads whining about being punished there are a number of posts.

The most common is the angry rant "OMG! WTF?!?! I accidentally TKed someone and they punished me!!!" Clearly, getting punished pisses people off. Playing on TS with my friends also reinforces this belief and it used to happen to me.

Inevitably there is another type of post the "I don't normally punish, but sometimes when I am frustrated I will."

Logically, it isn't all that difficult to come to my conclusion. The first type shows that punishing people makes them mad and the second shows that mad people are more likely to punish.

QED, if you punish, you are more likely to be punished because the level of anger on the server will be slightly higher for every punish. I think it is exponential and so the more you are more likely to get forgiven.

So sure, believe what you want. Believe that you are "teaching" someone by punishing them more than you are angering them. . . however, I highly doubt that it is the case and the better lesson to be teaching them is to forgive.

What he said ^^^^^


If only there were a "forgive " message the same way there was a 'punish' message. Some servers do it but it usually is in the text/ chat up the top and scrolls away before anyone sees it.

[evilzucchini]

What he said ^^^^^


If only there were a "forgive " message the same way there was a 'punish' message. Some servers do it but it usually is in the text/ chat up the top and scrolls away before anyone sees it.

What they should do is implement a system where everytime you forgive, you get a little cookie pin, and it is worth 1 point. That would make everyone happy because everyone would have cookies. I like cookies.

[tactic356]

all you need to do is play with ff off or with auto punish

[Monkeypants]

all you need to do is play with ff off or with auto punish

FF off? Those are the servers where cheats go to get their explosives badges right?

[Patman]

I always do it on a per case basis.

Yesterday a new titan game started, I jump into a choper - the guy takes off. Instead of flying to a silo he just keeps circling above our titan. I have no choice but to jump out and I get killed by the engine fumes or whatever from the ship. Normally I don't punish this but it felt good to punish that guy :)

I try not to punish if it's a geniune mistake. But many times it's also being completely careless. It's already happened several times that I have around 60-80% health left, round a corner and *shoot* some friendly fire guy takes me out with a few shots. These guys deserve to be punished.

What I hate the most is when you're firing against enemies far away. Then all of a sudden mr Joe behind you decides to run up front and cross your line of fire. And Voilá - that's how I get most my TK's.

[DirtyChewie]

I don't TK too often thankfully, its a lot better now that people have got used to the transports and don't suicide en mass when I'm landing. What really annoys me though is when you TK, it's obviously accidental and the punish comes a split second later. You know there is no way that guy bothered to think about what had happened. I always apologise if I TK but these guys don't even give you a chance to get the commo rose up!!

[FiveToTwelve]

Hmm.... I don't see the usefulness of these "punish" threads. either people have a few brain cells left and think if to punish someone for their own stupidity or they simply press the button because they don't think at all.
In most parts I agree with the theory of teaching new players with punishs if they tk'd. but in general I think it will not help much :) I take punishs without a lot emotions and got only once kicked when fooling around with apms.

[Sneaky Assassin]

If it really annoys you just play FF off

FF off? Those are the servers where cheats go to get their explosives badges right?

Yes they are but when your trying to get the gold it's helps allot.

[Monkeypants]

Yes they are but when your trying to get the gold it's helps allot.

Why? Because you can't get the badges on a real server? Did you go to a knife only server for that badge too?

[Sneaky Assassin]

Why? Because you can't get the badges on a real server? Did you go to a knife only server for that badge too?

LOL, why is that what you do cause it's cheating and you shouldn't do that, I got my knife badges the proper way, but I get very frustrated with noobs who run into my claymores and punish every time so I play FF off. I would rather play on FF off only on mines but i haven't found a decent server yet.

[Beerman]

I dont punish unless im killed for a vehicle or something.
I think the drones piss me off more than tks, I think its enemy ad shoot it, -6 and a spam of "team vehicle damage" grr

[=BoW=Sangyerians]

Even if they don't deliberately try to kill you but it's something farking stupid lyk throwing a nade at a silo we're capping i'd punish ya.

[Bahraini_Killer]

last night while I was playing a good game some moron started to let go grenades inside titan hall while all of us were in medics support and snipes...and we controled the entrance with support protections till we get this thing blown up...

this guy almost screwd everything up...thankfully a medic somehow survived his foolish attacks and got us back after he went and killed him lol.

we won the game...poor fella got -16 on his score..and honestly I've been dead twice and I punished him twice.

but yet lot of you here are explaining how they do it, but to think of it this way, this whole idea of punishing isn't beeing used properly and sometimes u play hard to get good scores and some moron gets in your way and punishs you....that really makes me go mad and frustrated....however I keep on playing no matter how long I whine about it....

I admit it this game is good enough to make me come back to it even in such times.

[JakeBlues68]

Sometimes, it can be very difficult to determine friend from foe, especially in the meatgrinder maps. For this reason alone, Forgives should be automatic.

[Herr Starr]

Sometimes, it can be very difficult to determine friend from foe, especially in the meatgrinder maps. For this reason alone, Forgives should be automatic.

Exactly.

So many people punish when they could not possibly know the manner in which they have been TK'd or whether it was their own fault in the first place.

Forgive first. It won't hurt.

[LahLahSr]

Forgives should never be automatic. The punish system was introduced as a deterrent against smacktards or criminally stupid players.

I never TK on purpose - it's a philosophy of mine. Even if I am deberatelty and repeatedly targeted by some buffoon I never TK back. I can't be bothered and I think it's a waste of my time - besides, I won't stoop to a smacktard's level.

Therefore the punish-option is a good response I can use. It shows prominently on the screen for everyone to see, that some tard is repeatedly TKing. If an admin is on the server, it's easier for her/him to notice it and take appropriate action.

That being said, I almost always assume that it is a mistake and since I am not perfect myself, I always forgive the first TK from a specific player without even thinking about it. Second time, I start thinking about it.

[Herr Starr]

Lahlahsr : The punish option is good to have as an option- to prevent people repeatedly being jerks over and over. But the reflex punishing for TK's is what people have a problem with.

Sure, the net effect (in game) of a single or even 2nd punish in a round is nil but it is the psychological impact of your teammate deliberatley doing something to p1ss you off that matters. And

Most TK's are accidental but punishing is a deliberate choice. You are declaring that you want to p1ss your teammate off.

When I TK someone, I always think "crap that was a stupid mistake".
Now the dead guy has the option of forgiving: "that's cool bro, but please don't do it again" or punishing: "f*ck you *sshole!! How dare you do that to me?!"
Which option promotes team harmony?

If everyone forgave 95% of the time would there be more TKs? I doubt it.

WHen someone punishes me for an accidental TK it makes me want to get one back on them. I don't of course but that's my flash of red mist, gut reaction. Auto/reflex - punishing just hurts your team.

[LahLahSr]

Herr Starr: I agree with your sentiments wholeheartedly.

Buttheads will find ways to abuse the system, whether it's with or without a punish-option.

One might say that DICE pre-designed a punish into the system by detracting points from you if you TK - regardless of forgives or punishes. You don't even have a choice.

Nevertheless, reasonable people can agree on decent "rules of engagement" when it comes to punish. In many ways, I think the game itself shouldn't give the option of ra punish until the 3rd TK by the same person. That would automatically take care of most of it. Then, the actual point-loss for the 4th could even be increased and a punish could be an added 60 seconds to your respawn time...a "cool it" feature if you like.

Back in the old Desert Combat days I had that first reaction too - getting a bit annoyed with a punish for a truly accidental TK on my part. Since then I have ..what shall we say...lowered my expectations of my fellow player..lol.

I too am pleased to see that for the very most part, TK's are accidental. There is a lot less of the smacktarding than before, for some reason.

On the whole I don't think we necessarily disagree - i could live with an auto-forgive for the first 2 TK's by the same player and given the option to punish on the 3rd, for example.

Cheers :-)

[jasonhanjk]

Most TK's are accidental. I would normally forgive. During titan attack and defend where it's very easy to be tked. I forgive.

I only punish on:
1. My team stupidity
2. Delibrate tk.


Here is 2 SS that I took when someone tk me. Later I had him report to the server admin and he is ban for a week. :D

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9884/screen013rm7.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4951/screen014vg5.jpg

[Herr Starr]

Most TK's are accidental. I would normally forgive. During titan attack and defend where it's very easy to be tked. I forgive.

I only punish on:
1. My team stupidity
2. Delibrate tk.


Here is 2 SS that I took when someone tk me. Later I had him report to the server admin and he is ban for a week. :D

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/9884/screen013rm7.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4951/screen014vg5.jpg


Sorry mate, but I can't tell what I'm supposed to be looking at in those SS?

[jasonhanjk]

The tker name and me not forgiving. Twice.

[Proverb]

Ok, this might be a stupid question but what is the difference between the penalty for a punished TK and a non-punished one? Aren't the both two teamwork points?

[Herr Starr]

A punished TK and a forgiven TK are the same amount of points. The difference is that if a player is punished 5 times in a round they are kicked.

So why is everyone so worked up about this? I guess it's the principle of it and the way that the punish is presented. It's essentially your teammate saying F... YOU to you.

[jasonhanjk]

It should be deducting more points from that player that you punish.

[Herr Starr]

It should be deducting more points from that player that you punish.

Yeah that sure would teach them a lesson. How dare they kill you?

[jasonhanjk]

Since each of us can create 4 soldier. Just create a dummy account and proceed with it.

[Cazzy]

I only punish if I am really rocking the joint and someone just guns me down wildly and carelessly. It sucks to be "in the zone" and then have to repawn. I then punish and I also punish my kids at the same time to teach them never to tk people when they play.... then I go ahead and punish the dog simply because I am his master and I feel like it.... then my wife punishes me and I cant play BF anymore..................:(

[Seppuku]

why do people give a crap about Tk punishes? as mentioned numerous times previously it does not effect your scoore in the slightest. the only people who should care at all about being punished are the ones who consistently get enough TK to actually get kicked off a server. and you know what? those people unquestionably, empahatically

should be punished and kicked off the server.

i probably punish about 1 in 25 TKs. i think i am going to start punishing more. the only people it effects are those who i genuinely don't want on my team.

[jasonhanjk]

That was funny Cazzy. :D

[Arcalane]

I know some servers kick/tempban if you accumulate a sufficient number of punishes in a short amount of time. :|:

I usually punish if someone's being a dip**** with grenades/explosives or not paying attention (though most of the time they manage to get their act together and go "oh, he's actually on my side" before I die... :p) when shooting at anything that moves. Otherwise I just let it slide.

[Bubas]

I never punish, people don´t kill on porpose (well not entirely true I was killed once on purpose, but i don´t notice tank whore´s helo whore´s or planewhore´s that kill to get vehicles).
I have my share amounts of tk, sometimes in the heat of the moment I shoot my team mates or sometimes I am shooting at someone and my teammate runs in front of me other times the red name appears in the top of my team mate just beacuse the enemy is behid him.
I allways try to say sorry, and i don´t know and don´t care it they punish, so if i make mistakes I also allow other people to make them, I really don´t know what really happened for them to shoot me so I don´t punish.

[Buttoneer]

I stabbed a teammate to death and fully deserved the punish. He was layin in front of me as I snuck in behind. His little blue hovering name was high above him, so I assumed he must be an enemy.

He squired and wriggled to get away, I was **** with the knife. It took at least four stabs at him to make it connect.

Poor guy.

This is a public apology on behalf of the moron party.

On a slightly different planet, I had a teamy spawn into my transport once, died (no idea why, I was just flying straight, towards a silo) and he insta-punished me because it was listed as a TK. ****. I booted him from my squad. But then he rejoined. Did he think I would welcome him with open arms or something? Boot...

[Elementalist]

I'll punish the idiot RDX pointwhores/statpadders who kill a few people trying desperately to get console or core points for themselves. Other than that, case by case basis. Generally unless you did something really stupid/deliberate and don't apologise I won't punish. People who decide to go AFK while flying a transport out of bounds however deserve it. If you do apologise, people tend to be willing to let it go.

(In advance: no, Mr RDX-whore, you are not doing it "for the team". Doing something "for the team" does not involve being a selfish moron. That squad is there for a reason. You are not the lone saviour or whatever fantasy delusion you're under. You just want to win the round? Wrong way of playing. Team effort. Play to help the Team win but not at their expense. There is no "I" in team.)

So, playing for the team means not using your explosives and watching your team-mates try and destroy consoles and cores with their machine guns? I hope you don't mean that, coz that would be ridiculous. Taking 10 times as long to do the job is inviting failure - the enemy won't sit back while you let your team mates shoot a console.
If I'm playing recon and I still have explosives when I reach the consoles or core I put them on there right where everyone can see them and me. If, after yelling "Go! Go! Go!" at them for 10 seconds. They don't leave I back right off and wait a few more seconds, but if the retards are still pounding away with machine guns they get to fly through the air flailing their limbs.

Some idiot punished me the other day after I gave him a while to back off. He aparently didn't notice me put the explosives all over the core he was shooting at (from the same side as me) and didn't hear me shouting for ages and didn't notice everyone else run out of range and didn't see the enemy coming in the room. I blew the explosives - he punished straight away. He would have been shot 1 second later by the enemy anyway.

"RDX-whore"? Pfft. What do you think that stuff is for, exactly? May as well give me a hard time for using RDX on a vehicle - should I wait for an engineer to turn up maybe?

I play assault a lot too, but I get treated so badly when I play recon. Got bitched at for trapping a titan corridor with APMs the other day - I wasn't letting the enemy get into the killing field the support guy wanted to set up there. *shrug*

Get a grip folks. Recon have APMs for trapping stuff and explosives for blowing stuff up.

Ranted a bit there - I don't mean to have a go at the poster quoted - I think he was getting at Recons that blow people up without warning, but it's a pet hate of mine. I'm forever getting punished for other people not understanding that explosives and APMs tend to explode, so sitting on them is not a good idea...

[evilzucchini]

It should be deducting more points from that player that you punish.
No, no it shouldn't. The punish system isn't designed to allow you to dole out an ACTUAL punishment, but it is designed to keep griefers in check. It does this INCREDIBLY well as I have never come across a griefer. . .and if I have, I haven't noticed because they have been kicked from the server quickly.

[Ized]

I think it would make a big difference if instead of having "Punish" option, the option ingame highlighted the "forgive" part.

Think about it - You get TK'd and you we're asked:

"Would you like to forgive the teamkiller? Page Up = Yes, Page Down = No"

And then have the auto-forgive, if either one is pressed.

[Chris_Redfield]

Ask EA to set the punish keys somewhere else on the next BF release. Say YES to Page Up and NO to ESC. That way people would actually think twice before punishing.

[Deady]

I have been adminning servers for a GSP for a while now, spanning many games and the one thing I hate about BF2 and 2142 is the TK punishing ability.

I can see why DICE thought it a good idea, but the reality is, the BF playerbase is not mature enough to be given the power to punish others. That is what admins are for, and if you find a childish admin - change server and play where the admins are fair, reliable and reachable. Think of it as natural selection for servers. You hire kid admins, your server is empty, or full of kids itself.

Servers I play on now have punish turned off and good admins - I can highly recommend it.

[kerosene31]

How about this instead... check your fire

Why should I not punish you for an accidental TK? Most online games I play automatically deduct points for a TK without any choice for anyone. Deal with it. Accidental TKs still can and should be avoided.

Sorry, but the only TKs I forgive are total unavoidable vehicle accidents. The other day I was running out of cover when a guy comes flying by in a buggy and kills me. Even then, he should not have been skimming the wall, but I forgave him anyway as there was no possibility that he could have reacted in time.

Also when I play engie and go repair tanks, I give lots of leeway to the tank drivers. It is hard for them to see and know you are there, especially when under fire.

You need to be in control of your fire, and maybe even take one for the team sometimes.

One great example is I was playing support and was setup on a building. An enemy was on the next building over and got the drop on me. He was a good distance away, so his bullets were landing all over me, but not doing a ton of damage. I zoom in on him and get ready to unleash a swarm of bullets his way when I see a teammate sneaking up behind him, knife drawn. Now, this guy has me lined up and I am going to be dead in a second or two. However I wait and let my teammate get the knife kill. Turns out I was wounded bad but not dead. - Should he have switched to the gun to save me? Sure, if he even saw what is going on, but who knows, all he sees is an enemy firing. I'd rather let him get the kill and have me die than to TK him to save my own ***.

I throw grenades all the time, and I usually use them to hit a flag before we cap. However I always check the map and look for blue names anywhere in the area. If there is anyone even close, I hold off on the nade and go in guns blazing.

Now, I'm on the other end a ton as well. As support, my usual role is lying prone in good firing position, supporting my teammates from a reasonable distance. When I'm prone and zoomed in firing on some distant enemy, it never fails that some teammate of mine will run from behind me, jump over me, and land smack in the middle of my bullets. And yes, 90% of the time I get a punish and swear under my breath...

But hey, it is a pub server with a ton of stuff going on. Face it, not everyone has the same perspective. Not every player knows what is going on all around them. We all get fixed in on targets or certain things going on and don't always see the big picture.

I know not everyone is going to agree with me, but I feel you need to go that extra mile to avoid teamkilling. There is nothing more frustrating than getting up to a flag ready to cap then to get taken out by one of your own, accidental or not.

[servicepack1]

First of all I never punish. I made up my mind during BF2 about that. Even if it is blatant, I won't do it. (No sense in feeding the trolls)

Second, all of you guys that wrote "If they say they say that they are sorry I wont do it." Well if I'm dead I can't commo rose. And if I'm fighting for my life, I am not going to take the time to say I'm sorry.

Of course most of my team kills come from poorly thrown grenades, and people running in front of a vehicle, jumping out of a transport while I'm taking evasive action, or running in front of the stream of death coming from the front of my SMG. (It's called supressing fire. Go around it, not through it)

I have right clicked instead of the left clicked when changing from grenades to something else. In the core this can be VERY bad....

:P

[Buttoneer]

How about this instead... check your fire

Why should I not punish you for an accidental TK? Most online games I play automatically deduct points for a TK without any choice for anyone. Deal with it. Accidental TKs still can and should be avoided.

This game already strips points. There are no extra deductions from the player if you choose to punish. I repeat, you will not do anything except pi55 someone off if you punish them. There are no further points deductions.

Why shouldn't you punish? There are plenty of eloquent posts in this thread that you can read, and maybe you should because it seems clear from your post that you didn't.

[evilzucchini]

How about this instead... check your fire

Why should I not punish you for an accidental TK?
Why? Because that isn't what the system is designed for, it clearly makes people mad and thus negatively affects other people's gaming experience.

Thre system was designed to deal with TK griefers and, quite frankly, it works like a charm. . . .well other than the idiots who punish for accidental TKs.

Most online games I play automatically deduct points for a TK without any choice for anyone. Deal with it. Accidental TKs still can and should be avoided.
As does BF2 and BF2142. They both deduct points for TKs and punishes DO NOT AFFECT THE OTHER PERSON'S SCORE.

I agree with the rest of your post that people need to be more careful . . . but accidents can and will happen regardless of how careful you are. I am extremely careful, often dying because I refuse to fire at an enemy who has a ******* teammate nearby trying to knife, and even I TK from time to time.

Punishing does nothing other than annoy people. The -3 points they get (at least) from the TK is enough of a lesson. Punishing just angers people.

But it IS a great system as I have never been harassed by an intentional TKing teammate, which was not true for so many team based FPS in the past.

[kerosene31]

it clearly makes people mad and thus negatively affects other people's gaming experience.


Kind of like getting TK'd

[kerosene31]

This game already strips points. There are no extra deductions from the player if you choose to punish. I repeat, you will not do anything except pi55 someone off if you punish them. There are no further points deductions.

Why shouldn't you punish? There are plenty of eloquent posts in this thread that you can read, and maybe you should because it seems clear from your post that you didn't.

I may piss them off, but they may also take an extra second to look around next time they toss that grenade into an open area.

I love how my opinion is "wrong" in this thread, yet in the game itself it would seem that my view is the majority, seeing as forgives are much less frequent.

[servicepack1]

I don't get mad at anything that happens in a game. Most people that TK on purpose are only trying to get your goat, and all the others are accidental. Hell if I could squelch all the punish messages I would. Because I just don't care whether or not you punish me or anyone else. You can waste your brain power on being mad at your teammates, me... I will track and engage.

SP1

[Badboris_uk]

The only situation I don't punish in is if I had run up to a tank to repair it and he backs over me and runs me over, or if you are in my clan.

at all other times, if you teamkill me, you are getting punished regardless. why? Because I can, and I would expect everyone else to do the same to me.

Oh, and BTW you don't get the negative points for being punished - you get a minus score even if someone forgives you. the only thing punishing does is adds one to your cumulative limit for being kicked from the server.

[Sir. Tasty]

Bf2 wast as bad but this game retardedly lacks team play and co-ordination hence no one cares about there team winning only there own score and so they dont care that is one of there TEAM that has killed them whatever instance about 80 % of the time you will be punnished . its just the way bf2-2142 are . if you want to play a actual team-play game i suggest you find another :(

[Swamper]

only valid reasons for me to punish are:

-teamkilling me to get a vehicle or otherwise get ahead in the game at the cost of me.

-or obviously not wanting to play but just trying to ruin the fun for others.


I dont think lack of skill or plain stupidity deserves to be punished.
The first I smile upon, the second just amazes me and gives me good storys for my friends.

If it was for me to decide i would just scrap the whole punish thing.

[XM03]

i just punish, all this two faced ethical bs is bollocks, they killed me and im losing out on stabby time....so Page Down ftw

[evilzucchini]

Kind of like getting TK'd
Exactly. However, one is an ACCIDENT. You CHOOSE to hurt people's gaming experience by hitting page down. Unless they are intentionally TKing (which the system does a mighty fine job of preventing) they aren't the same.

I may piss them off, but they may also take an extra second to look around next time they toss that grenade into an open area.

I love how my opinion is "wrong" in this thread, yet in the game itself it would seem that my view is the majority, seeing as forgives are much less frequent.
Are you seriously trying to argue that you are doing the right thing because a immature gamers do the same thing? LMFAO!

i just punish, all this two faced ethical bs is bollocks, they killed me and im losing out on stabby time....so Page Down ftw
You are the worst kind because you are the idiot that runs and stands right next to enemies and then gets shot and wonders why. *******. And how the hell is this "two-faced?"

[XM03]

No i dont run out and make a target for friendly fire, im not a moron...unlike the many i have played against, so many times in Bf2 i wasnt forgiven, it annoyed me but so what, grow some ****ing thick skin and play on, its only 3 points. And i bet in times of dire situations you dont look at the pro's and con's of someones grenade throwing, you just go auto pilot to the page down, so cut the bs and admitt it, its a dog eat dog game.

[evilzucchini]

No i dont run out and make a target for friendly fire, im not a moron...unlike the many i have played against, so many times in Bf2 i wasnt forgiven, it annoyed me but so what, grow some ****ing thick skin and play on, its only 3 points.
Uh, punishing doesn't affect score.

And i bet in times of dire situations you dont look at the pro's and con's of someones grenade throwing, you just go auto pilot to the page down, so cut the bs and admitt it, its a dog eat dog game.
How does hitting page down constitute "dog eat dog?"

It's like you have these little terms that you think sound nice but you have no idea of their meaning but use em anyway. Like how you used "two-faced" in your last post. It made no sense. . . just like saying "it is a dog eat dog game" makes no sense here, in context.

And no, I don't punish TKs anymore.

[-2d- Recoil.]

Like people have said, people do it without taking into consideration the reason for the Teamkill. On my server, I hate it when I get punished accidentally - so I understand when people get annoyed. However, the 'punishers' also teamkill at times, whether it be accidental or not; but when the get punish, they kick off about it.

Its a game, and losing two points isn't going to kill you ;)

More considerate players would be nice :p

[XM03]

Fine:- two face: you post on here saying you dont punish tk's then go on a server and probably do, we have to take your word for that as i havent played a game with you. And your word on the internet means **** to me...

Dog Eat Dog: Yes the 3 points dont count globally, however you can still earn nothing in a round if your stuck at minus -15. There are logically only so many points that you can get from a round, everytime you are stuck waiting to respawn your missing out on time best used to getting these points, you take my chance at earning some points, i take away 3 points from you. Now you've just missed out on that nice ribbon or pin...i lost out on about a 1 mins worth of gaming because of your ****ed up aiming or whatever....fair is fair

[evilzucchini]

Its a game, and losing two points isn't going to kill you ;)
OMG! Learn the facts. PUNISHING SOMEONE DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR SCORE!!!!

PUNISHING SOMEONE DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR SCORE!!!!

again,

PUNISHING SOMEONE DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR SCORE!!!!

[The_Eliminator]

OMG! Learn the facts. PUNISHING SOMEONE DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR SCORE!!!!

PUNISHING SOMEONE DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR SCORE!!!!

again,

PUNISHING SOMEONE DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR SCORE!!!!

So true.

[evilzucchini]

Fine:- two face: you post on here saying you dont punish tk's then go on a server and probably do, we have to take your word for that as i havent played a game with you. And your word on the internet means **** to me...
Just because you don't take my word for it doesn't mean I don't do it. Just because you imagine I do does not make me two-faced.

Dog Eat Dog: Yes the 3 points dont count globally, however you can still earn nothing in a round if your stuck at minus -15. There are logically only so many points that you can get from a round, everytime you are stuck waiting to respawn your missing out on time best used to getting these points, you take my chance at earning some points, i take away 3 points from you. Now you've just missed out on that nice ribbon or pin...i lost out on about a 1 mins worth of gaming because of your ****ed up aiming or whatever....fair is fair
WRONG! Punishing me DOES NOT AFFECT MY SCORE! Learn the facts.

[-2d- Recoil.]

Yeh I knew that - what I meant was the two you lose from the TK itself. I guess I worded it wrong. Apologies.

[The_Eliminator]

Yeh I knew that - what I meant was the two you lose from the TK itself. I guess I worded it wrong. Apologies.

We forgive you :P

Merry christmas :)

[evilzucchini]

Yeh I knew that - what I meant was the two you lose from the TK itself. I guess I worded it wrong. Apologies.
I apologize for going off on you then. Pet peeve of mine. Can't control myself. hehehe

[XM03]

WRONG! Punishing me DOES NOT AFFECT MY SCORE! Learn the facts.

Really, so you sit at minus -15 team points and you earn jack **** all in the way of a good conduct ribbon or whatever, you have to meet the requirments to attain certain things, it doesnt hurt you globally but it HURTS YOUR IAR SCORE...

[evilzucchini]

Really, so you sit at minus -15 team points and you earn jack **** all in the way of a good conduct ribbon or whatever, you have to meet the requirments to attain certain things, it doesnt hurt you globally but it HURTS YOUR IAR SCORE...
WRONG!

Let me say it again. . . in bigger letters this time because last time, clearly, writing it in all CAPS was not enough.

PUNISHING SOMEONE DOES NOT AFFECT THEIR SCORE!!!!

Big enough for you? Do you understand now?

[XM03]

Wow you really are ****ing nuts, so...if you need a certain ammount of points to get a badge, so many in a round and someone knocks the points off your score the computer will give you it because it doesnt recognize that you have lost 3 points....

If thats true then ill apologize, but typing it caps and acting like a moron without offering evidence is a bit ott

[The_Eliminator]

Hes right X m8, the score is not effected at all if you punish someone. They get so many lost points because before you kill someone it gives you team wound points then the teamkills points.

bit too far there evil m8.

[-2d- Recoil.]

Maybe this is turning a bit past the 'friendly discussion about the punish button' mark ?

[NightBlade87]

I punish for only a few things:

If it was intentional.

Or if what they did was completely idiotic.

[XM03]

Hes right X m8, the score is not effected at all if you punish someone. They get so many lost points because before you kill someone it gives you team wound points then the teamkills points.

bit too far there evil m8.

If that's true then ive been misinformed for a long time mainly because of BF2 and how someone told me the award system works, say if you needed 40 or so team points and you were at 37- someone took 3 in a friendly fire epsiode, you lost the 3, so you are 34, add the 3 again and you still get award because the system doesnt count the loss towards the award??:confused:

[Buttoneer]

XM03, I'll summarise for you:

TK'ing results in lost points = true
Punishing results in lost points = false

Geddit?

Therefore punishing serves no practical purpose other than to pi55 people off. It creates nothing but ill will and bad blood and, more importantly, serves to disrupt teamwork which is what this game is supposed to be about.

[The_Eliminator]

Maybe this is turning a bit past the 'friendly discussion about the punish button' mark ?

:laugh:

Lets tone this down a little.

IMO the punish button is useless and when someone is TK'd you should be given options like in CS:S

e.g.

Slay
Blind
Freeze
Puppet Punishment (my favourite)

[-2d- Recoil.]

If we all played Barbie meets Ken - the House Party, nothing like this would happen!
Darnit, I shoulda never of given that game up....

[The_Eliminator]

I think if you had say 39 teamwork points towards an award and then you kill a teammate and get 36 teamwork points then you need to gain another 4 to get the badge/ribbon etc.

[XM03]

XM03, I'll summarise for you:

TK'ing results in lost points = true
Punishing results in lost points = false

Geddit?

Therefore punishing serves no practical purpose other than to pi55 people off. It creates nothing but ill will and bad blood and, more importantly, serves to disrupt teamwork which is what this game is supposed to be about.

woops, i see where i was going wrong....i but them all in the same sack, either way it doesnt help when you a have moron shouting in caps instead of explaining...

I think if you had say 39 teamwork points towards an award and then you kill a teammate and get 36 teamwork points then you need to gain another 4 to get the badge/ribbon etc.

So you still have to earn the points again, which is technically what im saying, you robbed me of mins so i rob you :D Nah nah, maybe i wont be so trigger happy on the punish....

[evilzucchini]

If that's true then ive been misinformed for a long time mainly because of BF2 and how someone told me the award system works, say if you needed 40 or so team points and you were at 37- someone took 3 in a friendly fire epsiode, you lost the 3, so you are 34, add the 3 again and you still get award because the system doesnt count the loss towards the award??:confused:

You are missing the point. When you TK someone, in BF2142, you lose 3 points. If the person you TK then punishes you, you don't lose any additional points. Additional point loss comes from team damage or team vehicle damage that you inflicted before you killed the person. The act of punishing does absolutely nothing to the other person's score.

It was the same thing in BF2, well, I think you lost only 2 points for a TK in BF2.

And yeah, I am as crazy as a loon ESPECIALLY when it comes to TKing and punishing and misconceptions about point loss.

[evilzucchini]

woops, i see where i was going wrong....i but them all in the same sack, either way it doesnt help when you a have moron shouting in caps instead of explaining...
I did explain. It's not my fault that you don't understand English.

[The_Eliminator]

Guys lets calm this down now, we all understand.

[XM03]

I did explain. It's not my fault that you don't understand English.

I aint going to trade blows, your second to last post was more rational then the others, yes Bf2 was only 2 points (thank god). I was informed by another clan member that it did impact on the score, i am corrected, fine by me i can eat some humble pie now...:D

[evilzucchini]

I aint going to trade blows, your second to last post was more rational then the others, yes Bf2 was only 2 points (thank god). I was informed by another clan member that it did impact on the score, i am corrected, fine by me i can eat some humble pie now...:D
Sorry for being so irrational. . . it just drives me nuts.

[XM03]

Nps m8 we are all adults here, i learned something here tonight, so no problems at all.

[Seppuku]

so now that everyone finally understands that punishing does not effect your score, explain to me why you all get so "annoyed" or "pissed off" when you get punished. the only reasons you should feel either of those things is if you TK so frequently that you might get punkbusted off the server (completely justifiably, imo). otherwise, a punish should have absolutely, positively NO EFFECT ON YOUR GAMING EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER. it is completely meaningless. ok, maybe it is somewhat impolite or ingracious, but there are 20439587391 other things in this game that players do do teammates that are FAR more impolite and ingracias that don't get their own 15-page forum threads every other week.

honestly, you people are OBSESSING OVER NOTHING...unless you are habitual TKers.

[XM03]

3 punishes and your out maybe what gets peoples backs up?

[Seppuku]

3 punishes and your out maybe what gets peoples backs up?

and that's my point. if you are TKing 3 teammates in a round anything near frequently, whether they are accidents/sloppiness or not, a very large notice to get your act together is in order. and that notice is getting kicked from the server. you can always rejoin after one minute on most servers.

[Elementalist]

Fly a transport and have 3 people jump out just before you successfuly land it and them punish you for TKing because they are a$$holes and get kicked off the server that you were having a great time playing on with your buddies and then come back and tell me the punish issue is not stupid and annoying.
I haven't been kicked often - maybe twice - but both times it was an instant ban. Frikkin ridiculous.

[Buttoneer]

and that's my point. if you are TKing 3 teammates in a round anything near frequently, whether they are accidents/sloppiness or not, a very large notice to get your act together is in order. and that notice is getting kicked from the server. you can always rejoin after one minute on most servers.

It's easy to TK three in a single round, and examples have been given here of the transport leapers and the RDX-mesmerised recons trying to stab the core. The problem is that people inst-punish without thought. They don't 'choose' to punish at all, they simply hit the button. No thought. No "I wonder if I did anything to create this issue?" No consideration for whether it was someone shooting them to get the gunship first versus walking out in front of a speeding hovertank.

The thought process is 'I'm dead, insta-punish"

I'll reiterate a story I told before of a team member who spawned into a transport I was piloting and who was immediately TK'd. I was flying stright and did absolutely nothing, zero, nada to create a situation where he might die. In fact, the transport carried on flying to it's destination. It's a bug. Immediately, I got a punish. What for?

It's supposed to be a team game. I don't run around killing teamys, but inevitably friendly fire hits home sometimes. All punishment does is breed resentment and it interferes with a team dynamic. Proof of this is that most clans have a rule that you you don't punish when playing for the clan on their servers.

That's not to say that punishment isn't appropriate. It is. I have been shot by someone on the titan deck. No warning, just a trigger-happy idiot. Now he got punished...

[kerosene31]

As I said before, I pretty much forgive for anything vehicle related. Anyone who doesn't understand that most vehicle TKs are completely unavoidable is a total noob.

[Buttoneer]

Clearly then, this thread is not about you. The punisher might be a 'total noob' but that will not stop them punishing and will not stop them annoying their teammates when they do so.

[Seppuku]

It's easy to TK three in a single round, and examples have been given here of the transport leapers and the RDX-mesmerised recons trying to stab the core. The problem is that people inst-punish without thought. They don't 'choose' to punish at all, they simply hit the button. No thought. No "I wonder if I did anything to create this issue?" No consideration for whether it was someone shooting them to get the gunship first versus walking out in front of a speeding hovertank.

The thought process is 'I'm dead, insta-punish"



Excellent examples! Let's take a look at them.

As for the transport one, that is quite clearly an issue with the transport podding and bailing mechanics, which absolutely positively should be fixed. While it blows that someone might get punished off the server for that (most people at this point do not punish for it, tho I know some do), the bigger issue is that they end up with a -15 score just for flying people around. Experienced pilots don't even bother to land anything but a near-empty transport anymore (hint hint). Anyway, that is a MUST-FIX, but not a reason to throw out the punish system.

As for the RDX core one, that is, imo, the punish system working exactly as intended. If someone decides to rdx the core when there are a lot of friendlies around it and take a large number of them with him... well, that was his (probably bad) decision and he most definitely needs to deal with the consequences. I, personally, have RDX'd more than a few cores myself, and never gotten more than 1 TK; to me that's an acceptable loss and I will gladly take the -3 there (never been punished for it). If you are killing half the team in the core room, you: A) don't know what you're doing, B) are incredibly greedy, C) have a very poor sense of timing/judgement/situational awareness, or *ding ding ding* D) all of the above. And to be perfectly honest, I don't want that kind of lamer on my team, even if his intent was to "win" the game for us. I will bust his skinny *** out of the server in a heartbeat. Deal with it. Make smarter decisions, learn to play your kit better.

The punish system is fine.

[tactic356]

or E) the other people on your team just stand right next to you while your about to blow.

anyways i think almost all of the tk system is messed up because of the noobs who punish for every single thing. sure your not likely to get kicked but its still annoying when you do. its not your fault that they run into a corrdor when you just threw a gernade. the helecopter thing should definatly be fixed the pods need to come out somewhere else. theres only been 1 time where someone purposely tried to tk me-- the guy was really pissed at me because he was creepy so he landed a helecopter by the tank i was in with some other guy. when he started to lay mines on the tank i got out and stole his helecopter so he didnt notice and he blew up the other guy in the tank and i stole his helecopter lol-- the only tks i punish for are for the peoples stupidity. like someone on our team sniped me because he probally thought i was an enemy but still... its a really noobish mistake and ill punish for it. if its accidental i will forgive automaticly.