How to do all kinds of ariel maneuvers in the Gunship.

[Zagashi]

There has been a lot of controversy over the flying mechanics of the gunship, and how it is inferior to the bf2 chopper in its ability to maneuver. This quick video I made shows that it is still highly maneuverable. Explanation on how to perform these moves are located near the end of the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbTKXrsCeIo

First BF 2142 video, tell me what you guys think.

[RevRen|Sloth]

Not bad bro

[justinf951]

very nice although im not going to lie when you showed the view from the pilots perspective i got a little sick, but then ive been drinking so who knows. I will have to start practicing though.

[RpTheHotrod]

I've got a ton of tricks for it...but I'm keeping those only for those who personally fly with me. I prefer to not get it all public.

[Cazzy]

I tried to do a barrel roll with the titan while I was commanding but all it did was move forward at a snails pace..... can anyone help me out with this?

[Bullet Magnet]

I'm curious, who stated the gunship wasn't maneuverable?

Not to be cruel, but your gunship vid was pretty basic, simple loops and turns without an enemy present. The problem is not the gunship, but rather the exorbitant amount of AA, and the deadly power of the Walker against gunships.

BTW, I did not see any sustained inverted flying. It is possible to bypass the auto-roll and cruise around upside down around the map. I've always wondered what that looks like on Fraps.

[colony]

Again, copied from the other post

The guy in that video fails to mention every time he gets inverted, the aircraft auto corrects the movement. Why does he never do 1 normal roll at any time in that video? Its physically impossible with the aircraft.

In that video he has little accurate control of where he wants to go once he gets inverted.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

I'll take a BF2 chopper and you can have your gunship. I guarantee you I will pwn you out of the sky repeatedly until you give up in frustration. The future sucks for the Air Force.

[ThirtyOughtSix]

Nobody ever said you could do loops. That's about ALL I saw on your video... loop after loop... some you pulled to the side... some where straight up. You kinda did a sloppy corkscrew... but the REAL problem is that lack of roll control. The thing rolls over on you when you DON'T want it to (getting you stuck there unless you can loop out of it).... and won't let you roll when you DO. It's just buggy... and unneeded. Why have it limit/force the roll? There is no reason I can see.

It can loop unrestricted... and does funky flying when pointed straight up or inverted... but you can keep it airborne if your careful. But those arent the problem. They should just give the beta 1 handling back to us... it's silly.

THEN you'll see some maneuvers. The stuff I could pull in the chopper in BF2 was crazy... and I could very well pull that same stuff (or some new variation of it) if they got rid of the roll limitation.

I also DO NOT understand your arguement. Would you be against removing the roll restriction? It could only make it MORE maneuverable. As many have argued, that won't really change the balance of the vehicle much of anything at all.... so you'd be against it? If not why the arguement?

I for one DON'T think it flies like a brick... the transports kinda do... but not the gunship. It just has a few very STUPID flight characteristics is all... ones that do not do anything for it... nor does it need them at all. Just ditch the stupid post beta 1 handling and give us the roll back.

Benefits: More interesting dogfights. Better situtational awareness (because you'd be able to pull the gunship around to mouse look a better view). More fun to fly. No more worries about getting stuck inverted only to crash into the ground because you couldn't loop out in time.

Drawbacks: None.

So why not? Its just damn silly.

[Bullet Magnet]

No more worries about getting stuck inverted only to crash into the ground because you couldn't loop out in time.



FYI, one advantage the gunship has over the BF2 choopers is that you can fly inverted, as the thrust is provided by multiaxial (forgive me if this is the wrong nomenclature) boosters as opposed to blades. Instead of trying to right yourself via a loop/roll, simply thrust in the opposite direction, and your gunship will fly inverted. Much easier to save yourself this way when you get hit with an EMP blast.

[Wamphyri]

IMO they dumbed down the gunships for kiddies that wern't able to control the BF2 choppers.

[BahamutZ3RO]

Seconded.

My question is, how useful are those loops for dodging emp missiles? Lol.

[Arcalane]

Not bad, but no urban maneuvering?

Never seen G-Police?

I do enjoy dodging between the structures on Minsk, and flying along under the Suez Canal bridge. High stunts are nothing when it comes to being only five inches from certain death if you make the wrong move. ;)

[Rick Astley]

Too bad. I always loved the dogfights in the Kubra Dam.
I think DICE is trying to not get another J-10

I miss the stunt videos......

[parish]

I watch guys do all kinds of stuff in the gunship. Then, when they are done showing off, I shoot them down with my gunship.

What people don't realize most of the time is that fancy moves are just that and not a real way to elude the enemy chasing you. I watch guys do circles trying to get behind me. As they circle, I just hover and spin in place while shooing them and then they die. I see guys do loops all the time. They look real nice, and then when they come back down I shoot them down.

I am a surface of the earth flyer. If something has a missile lock on me I dive for cover. I will fly between buildings, along roads into valleys, between trees, under bridges and over passes. The AA in this game is deadly *if* your target is either flying away from you, or well above you with nowhere to hide. I am also reserved with my use of the shields. I only use them when I am certain something is about to kill me.

I will however taunt tanks and AA encampments. I will hover just above the ground behind a tiger and lob a shot or two at him. Wait for him to spin the turret and then I will hit my shield. he fires his shot for nothing and then I get to look him in the eye when I finish him off with the rest of the rockets.

[BloodBomb]

Wheres the futuristic jets...who cares about gunships i wanna see stealth fighter/bombers n supersonic pulse jets n stuff...not apache/harrier rip offs...the gunship is okay but meh...bring on jets i say

[DogFish]

I watch guys do all kinds of stuff in the gunship. Then, when they are done showing off, I shoot them down with my gunship.

What people don't realize most of the time is that fancy moves are just that and not a real way to elude the enemy chasing you. I watch guys do circles trying to get behind me. As they circle, I just hover and spin in place while shooing them and then they die. I see guys do loops all the time. They look real nice, and then when they come back down I shoot them down.

I am a surface of the earth flyer. If something has a missile lock on me I dive for cover. I will fly between buildings, along roads into valleys, between trees, under bridges and over passes. The AA in this game is deadly *if* your target is either flying away from you, or well above you with nowhere to hide. I am also reserved with my use of the shields. I only use them when I am certain something is about to kill me.

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Funny you say that,my favorite thing is watching in "chase front" to see if the other pilot goes into hover mode,or typical BF2/BFV style tactics...as soon as I see this I gain extra altitiude in my loop and come back and attack the still,hovering gunship or Ill just stay inverted extra long while gaining alt(since I cant roll for the Immelman) for the escape/counterattack.

[DigitalSPG]

Again, copied from the other post

The guy in that video fails to mention every time he gets inverted, the aircraft auto corrects the movement. Why does he never do 1 normal roll at any time in that video? Its physically impossible with the aircraft.

In that video he has little accurate control of where he wants to go once he gets inverted.


Obviously you'd have downed him with your SAAW long before then anyway ;)

Nice Vid Zagashi. And a good tip. A few times I have tipped one over in a steep bank. Now I know how to avoid it.

[biff77]

I'll take a BF2 chopper and you can have your gunship. I guarantee you I will pwn you out of the sky repeatedly until you give up in frustration. The future sucks for the Air Force.

I don't know man, the gunships have missiles that lock on to air targets, so I'd give the edge to the gunship ;)

[pandadude]

IMO they dumbed down the gunships for kiddies that wern't able to control the BF2 choppers.

Maybe, although IMO if they did dumb down the Gunships for this reason, then they made a mistake. If those 'little kiddies' wanted to get good at the bf2 chopper, they should have practiced. I sucked at first, but put in 3 hours of practice and I was better than your average chopper pilot.

I miss the stunt videos......

Must say, I miss them too. Even though they were hugely overowered, the jets were undeniably fun to fly in bf2. It would be brilliant if they at least just made jets for SP in bf2142, then we can have fun with them, but no-one whores with them in multiplayer.

[shadow_vision]

FYI, one advantage the gunship has over the BF2 choopers is that you can fly inverted, as the thrust is provided by multiaxial (forgive me if this is the wrong nomenclature) boosters as opposed to blades. Instead of trying to right yourself via a loop/roll, simply thrust in the opposite direction, and your gunship will fly inverted. Much easier to save yourself this way when you get hit with an EMP blast.

Can you make a short vid of being EMP'd and then this method? :D Would be helpful to me atleast

I think DICE is trying to not get another J-10

I miss the stunt videos......

Amen Brutha ;)

[Waatrope]

IMO they dumbed down the gunships for kiddies that wern't able to control the BF2 choppers.

I agree, it's easy to fly them but it really takes skill to be effective with them.

[ThirtyOughtSix]

Wheres the futuristic jets...who cares about gunships i wanna see stealth fighter/bombers n supersonic pulse jets n stuff...not apache/harrier rip offs...the gunship is okay but meh...bring on jets i say

another pissed off jetwhore. yay! :P

[Hptm.Akira]

Very friken nice. Gave me some insentive to fly again. (that and the 1sec reduction in emp stall time :D)

[FinalJudge]

Anyone can do that, even a novice.

The question i want to know is can u kill other gunships i would like to see if u can. I see many peole doing these kind of moves trying to get away from me it makes me laugh as in the end they all was eat dirt.

I bet u cant fly at all apart from doing loops all the time. LOL:laugh:

[Zagashi]

I made the video in response to a comment in another thread about the gunship not being able to loop or do barrel rolls, and I just so happen to feel like proving that poster wrong. All the stunts I did in that video are rediculously easy even for any novice pilot(I mean come on, I did the whole thing in third person, and even some in flyby).

These will never save you from an emp missile, but will occasionally throw off another gunship pilot. The point of the video was really just to show people that you can still do flips and barrel rolls, and be able to get out of a stall by holding s and the direction you want to move in.

And to FinalJudge above, your 166 on the gunship leaderboard, so you're a better pilot than me:rolleyes: , although air isn't my thing.

[ThirtyOughtSix]

I made the video in response to a comment in another thread about the gunship not being able to loop or do barrel rolls, and I just so happen to feel like proving that poster wrong. All the stunts I did in that video are rediculously easy even for any novice pilot(I mean come on, I did the whole thing in third person, and even some in flyby).

These will never save you from an emp missile, but will occasionally throw off another gunship pilot. The point of the video was really just to show people that you can still do flips and barrel rolls, and be able to get out of a stall by holding s and the direction you want to move in.

And to FinalJudge above, your 166 on the gunship leaderboard, so you're a better pilot than me:rolleyes: , although air isn't my thing.

If you think you did any barrel rolls in that video, you DO NOT know what a barrel roll is. The closest thing you did was a corkscrew, which is not a barrel roll.

[Zagashi]

If you think you did any barrel rolls in that video, you DO NOT know what a barrel roll is. The closest thing you did was a corkscrew, which is not a barrel roll.

A barrel roll is a corkscrew in which the plane(or in the case gunship) does a roll inside of. Thats exactly what i did, so excuse me mr that wasn't a barrel roll.

From wikipedia:
Barrel roll; a combination of a loop and a roll. One loop is completed while completing one roll. The flight path during a barrel roll has the shape of a horizontal corkscrew

That bunny from starfox deceived us all from what it really is. ;)

[WarpaQ]

Is this a 1.10 beta gunship video

[Zagashi]

Is this a 1.10 beta gunship video

No, but the flight characteristics have not changed in the beta, other than the emp time has been shaved 1 second..

[ThirtyOughtSix]

A barrel roll is a corkscrew in which the plane(or in the case gunship) does a roll inside of. Thats exactly what i did, so excuse me mr that wasn't a barrel roll.

From wikipedia:
Barrel roll; a combination of a loop and a roll. One loop is completed while completing one roll. The flight path during a barrel roll has the shape of a horizontal corkscrew

That bunny from starfox deceived us all from what it really is. ;)

Yeaaa... dude a barrel roll is flipping the aircraft along its longitudinal (front to back) axis rolling it over 360 degrees while continuing to fly in the same direction. A corkscrew is a sort of cross between that and a loop. They are NOT the same.

Barrel Roll:
http://www.answers.com/topic/barrel-roll
barrel roll
n.
A flight maneuver in which an airplane makes a complete rotation on its longitudinal axis while approximately maintaining its original direction.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdSgSYz_id8&mode=related&search=

Corkscrew:
http://www.answers.com/topic/corkscrew-spiral
corkscrew, spiral
move in a spiral or zigzag course

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNzDk7qORCU&mode=related&search=

So even though your ROLLING inside a corkscrew, it is NOT A BARREL ROLL. And the gunship cannot do barrel rolls. It can BARELY do anything close to a corkscrew..... for that matter. It loops. That's about the extent of it.

[Zagashi]

http://www.fokkerfour.nl/plaatjes/aktiviteiten/aerobatics/Barrel_small.gif

That my friend is a barrel roll,. It is a roll or loop completed in a corkscrew. It gets the name "barrel roll" from the fact that it looks like a plane rolling along the inside of a barrel, with its wheels on the inside of the barrel at all times. In the video I do one or 2 that look like that diagram. And as for arguing on the internet goes, you can never win, so lets just call it a draw.

[Rebiv4]

Arguing on the internet is like the special olympics, even if you win you're still retarded.

But the definition of a barrel roll in the answers.com post is not very clear without an illustration, as that can be read in many ways because of differeny interpretations of the word "barrel-roll" The second illustration is accurate and correct.

[Elementalist]

I can't resist getting into ex-BF2 flyboy threads and being smug.

Aircraft in BF2142 are completely as they should be. They perform a function like any of the vehicles. The 2142 setting has released EA/Dice from trying to approximate realism and allowed them to produce a game that is balanced and, thus, better.

If you want to do aerobatics, go get a nerdy flight simulator. If you want to be some untouchable megalomaniac, go bully school kids.

BF2 was spoiled by the aircraft unless you were the sad points-whore flying them. I couldn't be more happy that the vehicles in BF2142 don't replicate that terrible situation in BF2.

[ThirtyOughtSix]

I can't resist getting into ex-BF2 flyboy threads and being smug.

Aircraft in BF2142 are completely as they should be. They perform a function like any of the vehicles. The 2142 setting has released EA/Dice from trying to approximate realism and allowed them to produce a game that is balanced and, thus, better.

If you want to do aerobatics, go get a nerdy flight simulator. If you want to be some untouchable megalomaniac, go bully school kids.

BF2 was spoiled by the aircraft unless you were the sad points-whore flying them. I couldn't be more happy that the vehicles in BF2142 don't replicate that terrible situation in BF2.

LMAO ex-BF2 flyboy!!! that's funny. I flew the chopper yea... but hated the jets. The recent BF2 chopper is VERY balanced... it's not hard to shoot one down at all. (they used to be overpowered though before they changed it while back in a patch)... the jets? OVERPOWERED. Still are. I don't really fly jets, never did.

But contrary to belief, thinking that the gunship needs a bit of help with it's HANDLING (no mention of making it more powerful here!!!) does not mean your an ex-bf2 flyboy who jetwhored the J10.... so get over yourself.

There's no reason why letting the gunship ROLL would cause a problem. Personally I'm tired of it flipping over while I'm trying to circle strife in a hover... all while I'm only feet above the ground. OH YES, it WILL do that... go try it. I understand it's not a heli... but IT CAN HOVER. It's meant to. So don't try to feed me that bull. It's a VTOL craft... it is meant for BOTH forward flight and hovering.

[ThirtyOughtSix]

http://www.fokkerfour.nl/plaatjes/aktiviteiten/aerobatics/Barrel_small.gif

That my friend is a barrel roll,. It is a roll or loop completed in a corkscrew. It gets the name "barrel roll" from the fact that it looks like a plane rolling along the inside of a barrel, with its wheels on the inside of the barrel at all times. In the video I do one or 2 that look like that diagram. And as for arguing on the internet goes, you can never win, so lets just call it a draw.

reguardless of what they are called... here is what "I" was saying about the gunship... instead of doing the image you showed us (of the so-called barrel roll) or even just what that site you pulled that from was calling a aileron roll (rolling it over on it's longitudinal axis).... THIS IS more of what HE was doing in that video of the gunship:

http://membres.lycos.fr/bobois/Tuts/Courbes/tire_bouchon/009_with_tilt_corrected_a_double_loop.jpg

which apparently is called a "corkscrew".. but whatever you call it... its more like many twisted loops rather then ROLLS... becuase the gunship has problem DOING rolls... that that is the WHOLE POINT.

whereas a "barrel roll" by your defination is more like this:

http://membres.lycos.fr/bobois/Tuts/Courbes/tire_bouchon/004_not_a_bad_ride_in_itself.jpg

[FinalJudge]

Sorry i couldnt help saying what i did. I take it all back. No hard fellings i hope.

FinalJudge

[urwathrtz]

Some fancy flying, but the music you picked sucks @ss.

[ELI]

Ok...now can you guys tell me how to do a Lomcevak? Best stunt maneuver ever. :D

[Cranks-X]

All i know is the bf2 chopper was fiercely overpowered and i do just fine in the bf2142 assault air vehicle. You just have to know when to fly low to the ground and when to rise up for an attack from above. Once you know where the AA placements are, it's alot easier as well. But the shields should be able to protect from the tracking EMP thingies. Or at least another option to release something similar to the BF2 flares that would cause the EMP's to track them instead. There's a happy medium in there somewhere, and heading back to bf2 chopper style ain't it. Imagine having to face walkers AND the bf2 chopper all at one base. Crazy!