Racist server ??

[deltoid23]

hi everyone i would like your take on this , i joined this server (http://clandesrebelles.team.st/) today and got kicked all the time after 15 seconds, this happened a few times and i could not understand why, just to make sure i did not get the high ping message but the admin/vote one.

well i tried to think why and i noticed that the server graphics on this server was the hezbollah flag (http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=hezbollah+flag&spell=1), which is a world renouned terrorist organization and is currently being refueled by al-Qaida (these are facts!),

what does this has to do with me? well I'm form Israel !!!! am i getting kicked because of my Israeli IP ? and if i am, do you think this is ok? it could be really after all it is they're server and they can decide who they want in but is it ok that EA, Dice and such are sharing they're product with a terrorist flag?

[Deesies]

I know there were a couple servers in BF2 that wouldn't allow brits to join but I don't know if they were shut down or left to continue.

[mekender]

they can kick you for your latency or your location not being where they would like to have players from. but i agree with you that perhaps EA should do something about a group that is attempting to represent themselves with the symbols of a terrorist group that is designated as such by most of the western world. (including the country that EA calls home)


EDIT: i don't see anything on their site about hezbollah or anything to indicate any anti-semitic views, though i don't speak French... i would suggest that if they are indeed representing a terrorist organization, you might be better off making a complaint with interpol rather than here...

[deltoid23]

Is there anywhere i can complain to Ea ?

[GrimsDead]

Well i kick people cause i could care less and my server graphic has bush dressed up as hitler :) Anyone can have a graphic the kids who own the server you got kicked from were a couple of nerds who thought it was funny to have a graphic that was what they wish they could be.

[J_Toso]

I have been kicked many times for no reason other than my name. I had a tag in front of my name. Athist. That's pretty damn racist to kick for that. If it had been religious, the pricks wouldn't kick.

[mekender]

well after further reading, i do see a couple of things... the server logo, does indeed have the hezbollah logo on it, but not the flag... as for the site, there might actually be something to his claims, as they do have some things that might be worry some, for example, they do have a bin-laden smiley...

then again, it could just be a bunch of idiots....

[BIFF EXPLODER]

probably some kids trying to get attention...

[jakeob1106]

I have been kicked many times for no reason other than my name. I had a tag in front of my name. Athist. That's pretty damn racist to kick for that. If it had been religious, the pricks wouldn't kick.

That has nothing to do with race smart one.

[mekender]

probably some kids trying to get attention...

^^ what he said

[Trevortt]

hi everyone i would like your take on this , i joined this server (http://clandesrebelles.team.st/) today and got kicked all the time after 15 seconds, this happened a few times and i could not understand why, just to make sure i did not get the high ping message but the admin/vote one.

well i tried to think why and i noticed that the server graphics on this server was the hezbollah flag (http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=hezbollah+flag&spell=1), which is a world renouned terrorist organization and is currently being refueled by al-Qaida (these are facts!),

what does this has to do with me? well I'm form Israel !!!! am i getting kicked because of my Israeli IP ? and if i am, do you think this is ok? it could be really after all it is they're server and they can decide who they want in but is it ok that EA, Dice and such are sharing they're product with a terrorist flag?

You know what i find really funny, the terrorist are happy to use our technology but not happy to share & live in a modest society.

[mekender]

im pretty sure that discussion should take place outside of the 2142 general discussion forums

[deltoid23]

Is There Any One I Can Complain To ?

[FattyBear]

Report this to the FBI/Interpol so we can go "lol" when the pictures of them are leaked being placed in a naked pyramid with attack dogs growling at them.

[Windows2007]

I'm thinking you're jumping to conclusions. You got kicked, but you dont' know why. You see they have Hezbollah pic, you immediately jump to the conclusion that you got kicked because they hate Jews or whatever. That's a very dangerous assumption, and making accusations without proof can really hurt your credibility if you're wrong.

I suppose the best thing to do is to investigate further on your own - try to contact the guys running the server or whatever. Don't just start pointing fingers and yelling "racist" until you actually know what's up.

[GrimJack]

you posted this on EA's forums too....same answer I gave there

yes its wrong, but what can you actually do?

they pay for the server and they can be a**h***s if they want

[Irresistable]

OP, while it is wrong, you are not going to change every person's opinion or ill humor. I agree I would never play on this server. The best thing you can do is let every one know which server. And play elsewhere. Most people probably will avoid that server. EA really can't do much here.

[Jessica Simpson]

hi everyone i would like your take on this , i joined this server (http://clandesrebelles.team.st/) today and got kicked all the time after 15 seconds, this happened a few times and i could not understand why, just to make sure i did not get the high ping message but the admin/vote one.

well i tried to think why and i noticed that the server graphics on this server was the hezbollah flag (http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=hezbollah+flag&spell=1), which is a world renouned terrorist organization and is currently being refueled by al-Qaida (these are facts!),

what does this has to do with me? well I'm form Israel !!!! am i getting kicked because of my Israeli IP ? and if i am, do you think this is ok? it could be really after all it is they're server and they can decide who they want in but is it ok that EA, Dice and such are sharing they're product with a terrorist flag?

Hezbollah actually get's their support Iran and Syria, Not Al-Qaida. As an Israeli i would expect you to be at least marginally aware of this, my friends in Haifa and Tel Aviv are. If you're going to site something as (these are facts!) perhaps checking them first, or providing links to your fact's would be in order.

As for world renowned. . . well, that's debateable, they are considered terrorist organizations by the US, Israel, and the EU, but their actions have been limited to Lebanon, and Israel.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah (I'm very aware that wiki, is not necessarily factually 100% but next to an expert, It's one of the best resources out there.


Hezbollah mainly gets its money from donations. Lebanese Shi’ites often make zakat contributions directly after prayers, leaving change in the two-handed Hezbollah collection tins. Also Hezbollah receives financial and political assistance, as well as weapons and training, from the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The US estimates that Iran was giving Hezbollah about $60-$100 million per year in financial assistance but that assistance declined as other funding was secured, primarily from South America. Some estimates of Iran's aid are as high as $200-million annually.


As for their actions?

Deal with it, or find another server to play on, perhaps grow some thicker skin. It's definately not racism. Although, I for one, would LOVE to play on a server that actually encourage a Hezbollah Vs IDF style of play.

Before anyone accuses me of supporting Hezbollah.

Here's a link to a post I made in July in my Lj. . . http://razorslave.livejournal.com/255660.html

Jess

[Chasepwner]

They are French, of course they'll be flying a terrorist flag. They support them.

[andy]

Is there anywhere i can complain to Ea ?

http://www.totalbf2142.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9551

or go to the EA cust services.

[deltoid23]

Hezbollah actually get's their support Iran and Syria, Not Al-Qaida. As an Israeli i would expect you to be at least marginally aware of this, my friends in Haifa and Tel Aviv are. If you're going to site something as (these are facts!) perhaps checking them first, or providing links to your fact's would be in order.

As for world renowned. . . well, that's debateable, they are considered terrorist organizations by the US, Israel, and the EU, but their actions have been limited to Lebanon, and Israel.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah (I'm very aware that wiki, is not necessarily factually 100% but next to an expert, It's one of the best resources out there.



As for their actions?

Deal with it, or find another server to play on, perhaps grow some thicker skin. It's definately not racism. Although, I for one, would LOVE to play on a server that actually encourage a Hezbollah Vs IDF style of play.

Before anyone accuses me of supporting Hezbollah.

Here's a link to a post I made in July in my Lj. . . http://razorslave.livejournal.com/255660.html

Jess
Hi "" jessica ""
i hope you'll read this , i know the Hezbollah all too well , i know them so well that i even fought against them this last July and no i don't mean in BF, actual combat in Lebanon, besides that i am fully aware who is supporting them what i meant was that recent intelligent indicates in grate assurance that Al-Qaida agents are noe in Lebanon re building Hezbollah and trying to inflict casualties on UN forces stationed there.
i feel that there is no place for your tone of voice i know my enemy all too well .
yes this organization is world recognized as a terrorist one, by that i mean the modern western world and not 3rd world or extremist countrys.
wiki being a great source of data is no source for information never.

i hope you'll get a chance to read this

[Windows2007]

I hope you realize it's not really Jessica Simpson?

[deltoid23]

yes i do......
but you are windows 2007 right ?
(what's wrong with these people)

[BIFF EXPLODER]

this thread just went from sad to funny in 3 pages, nice one :p

[Haemogod]

Seriously maybe said server is a recruiting ground for future terrorists, and if you live in the right country and are a little too vigorous at killing ingame, they recruit you!!

:wall:

[Jessica Simpson]

Hi jessica
i hope you'll read this , i know the Hezbollah all too well , i know them so well that i even fought against them this last July and no i don't mean in BF, actual combat in Lebanon, besides that i am fully aware who is supporting them what i meant was that recent intelligent indicates in grate assurance that Al-Qaida agents are noe in Lebanon re building Hezbollah and trying to inflict casualties on UN forces stationed there.
i feel that there is no place for your tone of voice i know my enemy all too well .
yes this organization is world recognized as a terrorist one, by that i mean the modern western world and not 3rd world or extremist countrys.
wiki being a great source of data is no source for information never.

i hope you read this

Awesome, I'm glad to meet you and to know that you are one of the majority of Israeli's who didn’t shirk their duty to their country, and stepped up, and participated in what I honestly feel was a justified action in Lebanon in July to protect Israeli lives and sovereignty.

Even though it ended up failing in it's aims and proving to the world, that a modern state with all the technological advantages in the world, is powerless against a determined insurgent force supported by indigent people.

It's still not going to prevent me from calling you on the problems with making broad statements regarding a situation and citing, "recent intelligence" without backing it up, doesn’t do much for your case either. The only tone I have is indicative of my displeasure regarding unsubstantiated information being presented as fact.

I'm not denying that there are links between Hezbollah and Al-Qaeda, I'm saying they way you presented it was. . . lacking.

lol, I don't know what the point of this really is, arguing on the internet is like running in the special Olympics, even if you win you're still a retard. I apologize if I offended you in any way, which was not my intent.

Jess

[Jessica Simpson]

I hope you realize it's not really Jessica Simpson?

ROFLMAO

Jess

[deltoid23]

accepted
you're a nice guy , i'd like to add you to my buddy list if you don't mind,
what's you nick ?

[Jessica Simpson]

accepted
you're a nice guy , i'd like to add you to my buddy list if you don't mind,
what's you nick ?


J.Simpson

[parish]

ROFLMAO

Jess

Wiat a tick... You're not really Jessica Simpson? Does that mean I'm not really Paris Hilton? What is this world coming to when people pretend to be someone else on the internet? Chaos my friends... chaos indeed.

[Windows2007]

ZOMG identity theftz

[Bommando]

Last I checked, it isn't illegal or against the ROE to have a Hezbollah flag in your server image.

I'm not going to get into the politics of this discussion, but I will say this:

It is unlikely that they would employ some sort of GEO filter to check your IP and target Israelis specifically for kicking. If they made racist comments in chat, then they would be in breach of the ROE. As it stands, you have no evidence of your accusation against them. If it matters so much to you, I would do more research on the server owners, then come back when you have a little more credibility.

[LahLahSr]

Nothing here has anything to do with "race" - i.e. it's not "racism".

Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human capacities, that a certain race is inherently superior or inferior to others, and/or that individuals should be treated differently according to their racial designation. Sometimes racism means beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed race. There is a growing, but controversial, opinion that racism is a system of oppression -- a nexus of racist beliefs, whether explicit, tacit or unconscious; practices; organizations and institutions that combine to discriminate against and societally marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation, based on that designation.

Hezbollah is more and other things than "the enemy"

Hezbollah (Arabic *حزب الله‬, meaning Party of God) is a political and military organization in Lebanon founded in 1982 to fight Israel in southern Lebanon. It is regarded by the Arab and Muslim world, and by some European Union countries, as a legitimate, militant, Shia political party in Lebanon, and by the Israeli government and several Western governments as an Islamic fundamentalist, or Islamist, terrorist organization.

In addition to its military wing, Hezbollah maintains a civilian arm, which runs hospitals, schools, orphanages and a television station. Hezbollah currently holds eight seats in the 128-member Lebanese Parliament and is primarily active in the Bekaa Valley, the southern suburbs of Beirut, and southern Lebanon. The group is headed by Sheik Hassan Nasrallah and is financed largely by Iran and Syria, though it also raises funds itself through charities and commercial activities.

[Knight Rider]

Sorry, isn't no-vehicles against the roe at the moment, and you were on an IO server. LOL

[detroit]

I have been kicked many times for no reason other than my name. I had a tag in front of my name. Athist. That's pretty damn racist to kick for that. If it had been religious, the pricks wouldn't kick.

you are a complete moron.

[amashinga]

I thought America supported free speach ? You want to report a website for having a graphic from a terrorist organization ?. What about all those kids with Che on their Tee's ?

Don't you understand your own constitution ?.

[pommy80]

seriously... you need to chill.. i could attempt to join, say, an arab server (i'm in australia) and then say that OH MY GOD!! RACIST! when they kick me.

then, i could spout a big bag of horse cr@p about how they are terrorists.. of course, i COULD realise that they are far away and the ping is shocking..

they COULD be putting up the flag for the political party and YOU could be the racist saying that they are terrorist supporters..

chill the f**k out and go play on a local server.

/rant

[Blodoffer]

Stop whining kids. These guys rule.

[plimmy1971]

The Jews and Arabs are all as bad as each other.

If its not land to fight over then it will be what god is best.

You lot have not moved on from the dark ages............why dont you all just admit there is no deity, shake hands and learn to live in peace.

[deltoid23]

Nothing here has anything to do with "race" - i.e. it's not "racism".

Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human capacities, that a certain race is inherently superior or inferior to others, and/or that individuals should be treated differently according to their racial designation. Sometimes racism means beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed race. There is a growing, but controversial, opinion that racism is a system of oppression -- a nexus of racist beliefs, whether explicit, tacit or unconscious; practices; organizations and institutions that combine to discriminate against and societally marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation, based on that designation.

Hezbollah is more and other things than "the enemy"

Hezbollah (Arabic *حزب الله‬, meaning Party of God) is a political and military organization in Lebanon founded in 1982 to fight Israel in southern Lebanon. It is regarded by the Arab and Muslim world, and by some European Union countries, as a legitimate, militant, Shia political party in Lebanon, and by the Israeli government and several Western governments as an Islamic fundamentalist, or Islamist, terrorist organization.

In addition to its military wing, Hezbollah maintains a civilian arm, which runs hospitals, schools, orphanages and a television station. Hezbollah currently holds eight seats in the 128-member Lebanese Parliament and is primarily active in the Bekaa Valley, the southern suburbs of Beirut, and southern Lebanon. The group is headed by Sheik Hassan Nasrallah and is financed largely by Iran and Syria, though it also raises funds itself through charities and commercial activities.
did you just copy paste from wiki and tried to pass it as your reply ?
LOL

[RedEyeJedi]

Seriously maybe said server is a recruiting ground for future terrorists, and if you live in the right country and are a little too vigorous at killing ingame, they recruit you!!

:wall:LOL. That's a joke, right?

[Beerman]

I speak french and I dont see anything anti semetic, but they do say weird things like let us pray for them.

[Beerman]

In addition to its military wing, Hezbollah maintains a civilian arm, which runs hospitals, schools, orphanages and a television station. Hezbollah currently holds eight seats in the 128-member Lebanese Parliament and is primarily active in the Bekaa Valley, the southern suburbs of Beirut, and southern Lebanon. The group is headed by Sheik Hassan Nasrallah and is financed largely by Iran and Syria, though it also raises funds itself through charities and commercial activities.

Glad someone else knew that lol

[XM03]

This is the most funny, bs, over PC, over wiki used thread I have ever read. the original poster should just pick a bloody different server and get on with it....Plus whoever said gaming helps recruit terrorists....hahaha how ****ing moronic do you want to get....

[dotswarlock]

I also speak french and I can confirm that there is nothing on their web site that is racist towards anything. All I have read are *hey come read here*, *have fun* and stuff (their forums are private so I can't read them). Further note: their web site appears to be from France as well and they are hosting a few games out there (FEAR, BF2, etc).

Overall I have no idea why you were booted but I can assure you that they did not have the time to guess at your race if you were booted so quickly. Try considering other options such as:

1 - A group trying to get all their friends online at the same time without the hassle of a password.
2 - An admin being a jerk.
3 - A really mean smart cat jumped on the admin's keyboard and kept booting you? (ok that last one is a stretch :p)

[zEnStOlCh]

They are French, of course they'll be flying a terrorist flag. They support them.

Wtf kinda statement is this? And Does any of you speak even french?
There's nothing on that site that would indicate anything even slightly illegal. Recruitments, test, battles etc. They're a bunch of idiot kids who think it's cool to wave around an Hezbolla flag...just like I thought it was cool to wave around a soviet flag and a Che Guevarra T-shirt? SO what?

There's a ton of different reasons why the OP might have been kicked....the server is french, not libanese or syrian etc...Plus, in France, interest in arab politics is more pronounced than in the rest of europe or the US. There's a show on french telly called "Guignols de l'info"...it's a parody of a popular news format and the characters are all handpuppets...kinda like the Muppet Show meets Daily Show. Bin Laden sometimes makes appearances there and is ridiculed...That - for one - is a far more likely explanaton for the bin laden smileys than terrorist connections....next you'll be telling me they're using BF and CS to train for their attacks....

I mean come on. :rolleyes:

[XM03]

Well according to Haemogod they are, plus Chasepwner's xenophobia is just retarded since this thread was created to report a racist server....

[Badboris_uk]

Insurgent groups use the intro speil from "America's Army" to train their guys - as well as handbooks given out by the CIA during the Afghan Soviet war on aysymetric warfare + terrorism tactics.

As for the guy who thinks the French support Al-Qaeda; perhaps you should be asking where all those stinger missiles the Taliban were firing at US planes during the Afghan conflict came from? Yep, thats right folks - they were given to Bin Laden's buddies by the good ol' CIA.

[Col.Krust]

indeed. it was the US and germany who gave sadam his chemical weapons. We provided his helicopters, the russians his armor, and the house of saud bankrolled in all.

there are no Saints in Israel or Palestine. As if the terrorism that founded the nation in the 40s can be forgotten. Or the many civilians that have been killed through the years. Who can forgive hezballah's rocket attacks on civilians, or Israel's bombing of beruit with its civilian death toll. The endless suicide bomb attacks or sadly the assassination of 3 children today in Gaza....

I prefer to think of violence against armed forces as war or guerrilla conflict. Yet the media likes to call the kidnapping of soldiers terrorism. Terrorism is the waging of war on civilians. Something Israel and we in the US have done far too often with indiscriminant bombing campaigns.

Its all very sad.

And if you think those comments racist you are crazy. I have interviewed patients of mine who suffered in bergen-belsen, dachua and auschwitz. The horror that our fellow man does to each other..... and sent reports to the German government for compensation concerning their related medical/psychaitric illness.

[XM03]

Insurgent groups use the intro speil from "America's Army" to train their guys - as well as handbooks given out by the CIA during the Afghan Soviet war on aysymetric warfare + terrorism tactics.

The MOD has tried to format the HL engine into a training system, the US army also had a flirt with OFP's, gaming and training yes they can lead to. But this is 2142, a game which takes place in the future, it could be turned into military software, however the armed forces showed no interest in BF2. As for recruiting, this game, unlike America's Army, isnt a piece of propaganda. So to suggest that Hezbolla relate 2142 to fighting with Israel and ousting their current government and the need for it to gain the popular support of the arab world is just ****ing daft. BTW the PLO had a mod for HL and it was dire, i dont think it helped in recruiting either...

[Col.Krust]

I think it was just a sick joke......

[LahLahSr]

did you just copy paste from wiki and tried to pass it as your reply ?
LOL

I finished my masters long ago - got nothing to prove here.

Do I know this? - Yeah. Is anything gained by rephrasing what's already a concise account? - No.

Do I think most people know this? - Not at all.

Is that a reason to post it here? - Absolutely.

:cool: