Why cant I win?

[Raidyr]

Delete this thread

[Spectrums]

Then try a different attack method. If you are recon dedicated, use your APM's; they work wonders.

[Nefarious]

I unlocked the Clark shotgun today. Man have I been missing much. In the next round I got two close combat pins. I think you might want to start using different weapons or strategy's as well. I never played support class, it was only for grenade whores, but now with my new clark I can totally own the assualt class and their powerful baur.:evil: Try another weapon, worked for me.

[Spl1nter]

ya the shotgun is a ton of fun. I admit I was always one of the best with the voss on any server I went onto so I dont score as well usually but its fun to get those one shot kills.

SHOTGUN TO THE FACE

[Raidyr]

Before I continue, I would like to point out that, bragging aside, I am good at this game, and regularly got 50+ score rounds all the time.

I have tried everything. If I try attacking a titan, the lag is so bad in every server that some noob with a Voss kills me.

If I try city maps, its APM, nade whores, and Voss noobs.

Im just sick and tired of EA listening to people bitching about certain weapons. Assault did NOT need that accuracy buff. It is now THE most powerful and versatile class.

Btw, everytime I try to use APMs, I get no kills with them. I dunno, im cursed after this patch. Its really kind of lame how any idiot can pick up a Voss or grenades or a walker and just own people with true skill.

2142 is going to be a repeat of BF2/Planetside, mark my words.

EDIT: Um, you know, I dont have 3 ****ing weeks to dedicated myself to unlocking the clark. Tips about how to use the horribly-inaccurate Lambert would be fine though.

[TrooperJac]

You have to play to your chatacter strengths.

In a 1 on 1 with an assault troop you will lose every time. Recon has to sit back and be unseen. Don't shoot until you have a clear shot. Spot people. Apm positions. All these things help the team overall!

[jsr]

Btw, everytime I try to use APMs, I get no kills with them. I dunno, im cursed after this patch. Its really kind of lame how any idiot can pick up a Voss or grenades or a walker and just own people with true skill.

The irony of that statement is funny on so many levels...


But like the last guy said, you shouldn't expect to win head to head fights with assault.

It's no different than an assault player not expecting to win long range duels with a sniper.

That’s not to say either scenario can't be accomplished, of course they can.

But in both cases when it does happen, it’s due to tactics not class attributes.

[Raidyr]

How is that funny? The Voss is rediculous now.

Also, wtf is the Lambert for? Assault rifles have more range and power, and the Voss has a larger magazine.

[nutcrackr]

Change classes and pwn with a voss then :P

[M_Harrower]

The irony of that statement is funny on so many levels...
Hahaha, yeah.
Im just sick and tired of EA listening to people bitching about certain weapons.
Yeah, but I bet you'd like EA/Dice to listen to you bitching about the voss. ^_^

[Chasepwner]

Run around with a squad, don't shoot at an enemy unless you know you can kill him, take cover, always be moving around.

Another thing, the Voss was very powerful before the assault rifle buff.

[jsr]

How is that funny? The Voss is rediculous now.

Also, wtf is the Lambert for? Assault rifles have more range and power, and the Voss has a larger magazine.

It’s funny because recon is the most newbie friendly class in the game and you are equating apm kills to something that requires skill.

Seriously, if you're not getting kills with apm's (the easiest means in the entire game btw) it's because you are being too predictable in your placement of them.

And as for the Lambert not being on par with the assault unlocks... duh, it shouldn't be.

That's like me crying that my engineer unlocks are inferior to the Zeller and it's unfair that I can't snipe.

If you want head to head Rambo action, play assault, that's what it was designed for.

Recon is more of a stealth/sabotage type of class; don't blame other kits if you're expecting it to do something it's not geared towards.

[Irresistable]

How is that funny? The Voss is rediculous now.

Also, wtf is the Lambert for? Assault rifles have more range and power, and the Voss has a larger magazine.

Lambert is awesome, I rarely touch the zellar, of and I get tons of points of APM's you may just be laying them in the wrong spots.

[Windows2007]

Ditch the Lambert, it sucks. Ditch the Zeller, it sucks. Morretti SR4 for the win, baby!

Seriously, Lambert pales in comparison to M4 Carbine from BF2. I didn't want to take up sniping either, but it's better than the crappy Lambert. Zeller......ugh. Too many setbacks for such a small benefit (1 shot kill).

APMs? dude, place them in doorways to flags. gg

[Raidyr]

Holy ****, delete this thread, I pissed off too many assault whores.

[TB-303]

Everybody has bad days, maybe you're a bit tired, bothered, worried, stressed, got a cold/virus or a million other reasons. Maybe you rely on certain tactics which are outdated (things move fast in these games). It's the same in any sport (and in fact, many other things that require skill and imagination, like writing music, painting or writing), it's what's called a dip in form. Once you realise that you're performing under par, you don't 'relax' enough when playing because you're too busy worrying and getting frustrated than enjoying the game. The more you push yourself, the worse it gets. Give it up for a few days, play something else and forget about it.

Alternatively, relax with the game, forget about deaths and kills and chase a badge or something and just don't stress about your performance (lol, sounds like a cure for ompotence). Just take it easy, laugh at the bodies flying and have some fun eh?


Oh, and I'm no assault whore, I just play what the map/game type requires at the time and how I feel like playing. Also, consider that more and more people will be using the Voss as they may have just unlocked it. After all, I only unlocked about 3 days ago and my next unlock will be the Baur. Personally, I'm not keen on the Voss, or any of the assault rifles for that matter, I like the SMG :)

[DeathEngineer]

I'm confused, raidyr.

Is your in-game name also raidyr?

If that's the case the stats on raidyr does not match entirely with what you're claiming... nor do they entirely match your complaints.

[The_Eliminator]

I unlocked the Clark shotgun today. Man have I been missing much. In the next round I got two close combat pins. I think you might want to start using different weapons or strategy's as well. I never played support class, it was only for grenade whores, but now with my new clark I can totally own the assualt class and their powerful baur.:evil: Try another weapon, worked for me.

did the same, i unlocked it in a FU and thought i would give it a go. My kills to death at this time were about 16-15 so not that great.

I finished the round with loads of pins including the shotgun pin :D And i managed to get nice kills - death ratio to 41-17!

Dont you just love titan mode with the clark! I sure do.

To top it all off none of my stats got recorded so that lovely kill streak i got is nonexistent.

[Raidyr]

Its not my ingame name, and I am not going to tell you my ingame name because I dont want to get flamed to all hell because im not perfect.

And thanks TB 303

[ArmySquirrel]

1. get unlocks
2. get good hardware
3. stop whining on the forums

[Raidyr]

1. get unlocks
2. get good hardware
3. stop whining on the forums

1. Done
2. Done
3. Done

Now you can stop trolling.

[TWRAM]

If your a quicker draw than the enemy it doesn't matter which weapon your using; well maybe the engineer guns are a drawback but the rest are on par with each other. I am more accurate with the Lambert and Clark than I am with the Voss.

[deadman2312]

1. Done
2. Done
3. Done

Now you can stop trolling.


Seems as if you are in this thread awaiting replies yourself...also trolling.

[Raidyr]

I dont give 2 ****s what people here think. I just felt like venting, so call me a troll all you want, I dont care.

[biff77]

I dont give 2 ****s what people here think. I just felt like venting, so call me a troll all you want, I dont care.

I like pizza. Maybe some pizza would make you feel better?

[evilzucchini]

Raidyr,

I didn't get to read the first post, but I can kind of gather what it says from the rest of the thread.

If you ARE a good shot and you can kill people, but you are getting owned, it probably means you are being too predictable.

Back in BF2 I ran into a similar wall as you. I came from games like Quake and HL2 and the strategy of those games was:

1) Grab weapon
2) Sprint straight towards heaviest fighting.
2) Kill as many people as possible.
3) possibly die and instant respawn.

However, this is like the opposite of the strategy in BF2. . . unless you are playing assault which is SUPPOSED to be the head on class.

I find that when I am frustrated, I run straight towards battle which just gets me killed, which in turn makes me more frustrated and more likely to just run towards battle and get more frustrated.

What you have to do is take a breath and take the LONG way around. Don't go right up the gut or the way they expect or you WILL run into all the APMs, nade and voss whores. Go around to the side. Take the long route. Not only will it give you a flanking position but it will also give you a little time to relax after your last death.

Frankly, trying to blame the game because you either can't adjust or refuse to adjust is just plain lame. Assault is powerful in a certain situation. However, I can get just as many kills/points in a game playing support (with the LMG) as I can with assault. However, I don't charge flags. I take a position near a flag and cover for my squad charging in.

As recon, if you aren't getting kills with APMs, CHANGE YOUR STRATEGY with them. Obviously, what you are doing is not working. I bet you place them far away from the enemy expecting them to make it there before you die and your kit disappears. Not gonna happen. When I play recon, I tend to be one of those annoying bastards that you hate who drops APMs right in front of you.

I consider myself pretty good at this game. I am not super leet by any means, but I regularly score well regardless of the class I am playing. You know how I get better? If I find that something doesn't work, I try something else. Just whining that the game doesn't suit your playstyle doesn't get you anywhere.

Take a breath and think for a second about the strengths and weaknesses of you and your enemy and try to always be using your strengths against their weaknesses. If you find that you are always running into a Voss whore headlong, you are obviously not doing this. If you are always getting killed by grenades, you aren't doing this. If every corner you round there is an APM, you aren't going around the long way.

[XM03]

I love the fact that people are now calling Voss users noobs, raidyr= the average type of 2142 player, whine and cheese. However, I see more people using the Baur now and its a lot more fun, 6 mags, i actually ran out of ammo last night for the first time in a long time, staying alive with the baur is now a great challenge, switch to the shoty afterwards, then pistol and see how long you can last. Plus the baur, on single shot can out class most snipers with Zellars, great clip, great range, better accuracy at all ranges. Screw the Voss...lol i hug my Baur

[Col.Krust]

well. lots of whining. while the lambert is not as good as the bf2 carbines it is still my fav gun in the game. It is not as good at range as a good assault gun but it has a big clip and shoots fast and reloads quickly. you can kill 3 people with a clip up close.

The baur can out snipe snipers..... its a great gun. the voss and lambert are similar guns in terms of play style. you trade healing and revive capability for anti-armor and mining capability.... more often than not you get more team points and a higher score with the assualt because of that. destroying strategic objectives, flag defenses, and the like net you far too few team points.

[Fearness]

The problem in this game and irl is snipers have range limitations... You have to understand what your advantages are.

1) You have a super-powerful scope. The ability to scan targets that cannot see you is an advantage.

2) You can be so far away when you kill that they cannot hear where the bullet was shot from. Even with the zeller.

3) Anyone with a machine gun can tear you up close range. The pistols are crap, I wish they weren't. Again... you can score hits at 200m+ Why are you here?

4) Assaults, Supports, Engineers all work better as a team unit. You do not want more than one person with you.. and even then.. that person only to guard your back or keep you in ammo. The best buddy for a recon is a support squad leader with recon drone. You don't want this person to fire. Tracers work both ways. This person is there to camp your squad member bonuses when you kill not there to make these attacks. He's there to keep you smart with additional recon incase someone is coming to jump your team. If you are massively outgunned you need to retreat... Dead recon units see nothing.

5) Your score will be lower than others, but you have a more important job. You are the squads eyes and ears, and part of that is maintaining your cover.
If the enemy is too close to you to fire without killing or alerting buddies you shouldn't shoot. You are no good dead.

6) APMs... don't put them where they can be seen, and don't put them on ladders. You can climb all the way up the ladder... duck.. and walk right past it. Everyone knows this.. no point.. The best thing to do with apm is put them cover like brush or in debris pointing towards walking paths. What you are really hoping for is that the mine will be under then when they are getting shot at so they aren't ducking/looking. If you cannot place the mine where your squads can distract them there is no point in dropping it. You may kill someone but mostly you are just wasting a mine.

7) RDX kills people. Put pieces on every jeep you see, esp the jeep you rode in on. The whole point is you don't want someone taking that jeep and if they do you wanna make sure it's their last ride. Jeeps are assault squads favorite item because of the speed factor, and as such any jeep left in enemy territory will be filled with enemies eventually. Jeeps with rdx on front = missiles for enemy walkers and tanks.

8) Don't unlock the lambert. It's not that good... It's especially not better than getting the upgraded soldier modes (sprinting etc) or grenades/ammo Get it with field upgrades. For super-long ranges the zeller is way better than stock snipers. The stock snipers are better for tight maps where the report would get you killed. People complain about the zeller clip. If you are playing right this doesn't matter... You will never take a shot if it would give you way, and when you are ganked you retreat. 1 shot 1 kill. Don't shoot if it won't kill them or if you are uncertain.

9) You need to be unseen to do your job. If you are seen.. go hide.. You need to realize that the assault/knive/grenade spam squad is coming for you now. You need to be far off so enemy recon droids cannot see you as well. You want to be OFF their mini-map. This is highly important.

Just some crap to chew.. I'm out :)

[directx10]

the lambetr is for noobs who want to APM spam and destroy the consoles, IMO you shouldn't have both, RECON should be snipers, and snipers only, no AR's