EA: BF2 ROE in effect for BF2142

[Vreki]

I hope you don't mind me reopening the topic from "2142 ROE is not applicable, from EA's mouth. " (http://www.totalbf2142.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15026) which was closed, but I have new and relevant information.

Last year I asked EA for a definite answer regarding BF2142 and the BF2 ROE, and specifically the K/P servers.

I think we can consider that part of the discussion settled now with this official statement from EA?

Hello,

Thank you for contacting Battlefield Support.

The Battlefield 2 Rules of Engagement (ROE) is still in full effect. We (Electronic Arts Inc.) still fully support its Battlefield 2 and 2142 Player Base and Server base, and will action accounts if a violation to the ROE or Terms of Service (TOS) has been found.

The integrity of the stats system is very important to Electronic Arts and any of its partner companies. We actively monitor our game servers for any kind of abuse or exploit that will detract from the way the game is originally designed. Such an abuse of the system is a violation of the TOS agreement that is accepted when creating an online account.

Exploiting or abusing the system to gain an unfair advantage over other members who use the service, or relaying such information to others is damaging to the gaming community. Please note there is no appeal process once an account is reset.

We are aware that many BF2142 players feel that since there is no official BF2142 ROE, that they can simply continue padding, cheating, harassing players, etc... Please note that we use the BF2 ROE as a guideline along with the TOS in our methods of actioning accounts. The BF2 ROE and TOS should be referenced for any player actions, until such a time when an official BF2142 ROE is to be released.

The BF2 ROE deals specifically with the Battlefield 2 franchise, but in general, both the BF2 ROE and TOS have many of the rules and guidelines which are general at best, but can still be referenced when actioning player actions or accounts in both Battlefield 2 and Battlefield 2142.

As far as your specific questions on ranked Knife and Pistol servers, Password Protected, Server Admin abuse, etc.. yes we do not tolerate these types of servers and any servers found in violation will have their ranked privileges, and/or the Ranked Partners contracts and services revoked.

Specifically, we can and will revoke a Ranked Partners privileges to access our services if the Ranked Partner violates their contracts by allowing a server(s) leased or rented under their services for any violations established within the contracts held by us (Electronic Arts, Inc.) and our Ranked Partners.

For player interactions with servers that have been deemed in violation, any stats, awards, ranks, etc... gained through these services would be considered exploiting the stats system, and would be just cause to have these player accounts reset or terminated for violation of the rules and guidelines in the TOS under Online Conduct.

To avoid possible account actions, please review the Terms of Service Agreement by following the link below.

http://www.ea.com/global/legal/tos.jsp

If you have any further questions or comments please simply reply back and we will do our best to address your concern.

EA Rep Nessie
Player Relations
Electronic Arts
http://support.ea.com

[BahamutZ3RO]

Whatchu Got Now Ecko?! Huh!? Huh!?

[Maj.Damage]

And of the world's percentage of people that care? 0.000012% If you haven't broken a rule before you need to move out and get a girlfriend.

[BahamutZ3RO]

Why Does Everyone Keep Saying That To Me!? :( :( :(

[Raidyr]

And of the world's percentage of people that care? 0.000012% If you haven't broken a rule before you need to move out and get a girlfriend.

hey guys, I insulted someones love life over the internet! I am original!

:rolleyes:

Anyway, I dont really know how I feel about the ROE. On one hand, they seem very cool, not many games have something that can dynamically control a game like this. But on the other, many people seem to utterly HATE them :confused:

[[63AP]RS|ROF]

hey guys, I insulted someones love life over the internet! I am original!

:rolleyes:

Anyway, I dont really know how I feel about the ROE. On one hand, they seem very cool, not many games have something that can dynamically control a game like this. But on the other, many people seem to utterly HATE them :confused:

if sever admin could ban by CD key then this would never be a problem.
pluss EA should grow some balls kick the hole Idea and place HARD in stone rules and do something if they are crossed. God would I love to see CD-key banns :evil:

[Buttoneer]

Does this mean the crybabys who wanted Jihad Jeeping banned have got their way?

[Raidyr]

Does this mean the crybabys who wanted Jihad Jeeping banned have got their way?

Luckily no. Thats a server-side admin rule, so you may see it on some servers.

[Vreki]

And of the world's percentage of people that care? 0.000012% If you haven't broken a rule before you need to move out and get a girlfriend.

0.000012% of 6,605,046,992 (http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html) would be 793 people. It seems logical to assume that those who care about this topic is already on this board, so I would say that is enough to make it a valid topic.

As for those who don't care, the majority will be intelligent enough to read the title "EA: BF2 ROE in effect for BF2142" and avoid the thread.

The rest are just stupid trolls which can safely be ignored.

Coincidentally that is just what I am going to do with you :rolleyes:

Edit to add: And I wouldn't mind at all if a mod would clean this thread of trolls and flamebait, nope!

[InFiDeLiTY]

0.000012% of 6,605,046,992 (http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html) would be 793 people.

Lol, i cant believe someone went to the extent of working that out (via calculator, i assume) but thats not the point lol

[Rogue Warrior]

............But on the other, many people seem to utterly HATE them :confused:



Yes, All The Stat PADDERS who got caught.


"HEY GUYS LOOK AT ME, I AM SO COOL, I NEED TO CHEAT TO GET TO NUMBER ONE"

Just my opinion about the padders/LOSERS that play in 2142

[« R²» HKS]

Thanks Vreki and dare I say thanks to EA for finally putting this topic to bed with a concise and well written response. Not that I didn't know this already but I wonder if Ecko is now sweating over his account being reset LOL.

[Merlin]

Talk about flogging a dead horse http://www.pickelhauben.net/averta/images/avatars/deadhorse.gif

This topic has been done to death, and personally im sick of hearing about it.

[Vreki]

Talk about flogging a dead horse http://www.pickelhauben.net/averta/images/avatars/deadhorse.gif

This topic has been done to death, and personally im sick of hearing about it.


As for those who don't care, the majority will be intelligent enough to read the title "EA: BF2 ROE in effect for BF2142" and avoid the thread.

The rest are just stupid trolls which can safely be ignored.


ThisMessageIsNoLongerToShort

[Maj.Damage]

0.000012% of 6,605,046,992 (http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html) would be 793 people.

I was making a rough estimate, didn't realize I would get it wrong I should have added another 0. Still pretty close guess without using more than a couple seconds and my brain as the calculator.

About trolling, isn't that when you go off-topic and attack people for repling to the OP? I don't have to agree with you to state my opinion, but you have to be an asshat to act like that.

[Orphious2006]

Screw them and their ROE! I will play the game as i see fit...thats if I can even get in a game eh hem CTD...anywho, when they include a copy in the box or post a link to it in game then I will follow it. Until then F#$# NO!!! Its complete BS that the only way anyone knows about it is by reading forums which I am pretty sure is the majority of the people playing.

[Spodeboy]

0.000012% of 6,605,046,992 (http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/popclockworld.html) would be 793 people.

I don't even think there are a million players playing this game.

[[MyIS]Steve]

Screw them and their ROE! I will play the game as i see fit...thats if I can even get in a game eh hem CTD...anywho, when they include a copy in the box or post a link to it in game then I will follow it. Until then F#$# NO!!! Its complete BS that the only way anyone knows about it is by reading forums which I am pretty sure is the majority of the people playing.


well I suggest you read this..

http://www.totalbf2142.com/forums/showpost.php?p=210739&postcount=88

[InfraRedPS]

RS|ROF;212817']if sever admin could ban by CD key then this would never be a problem.
pluss EA should grow some balls kick the hole Idea and place HARD in stone rules and do something if they are crossed. God would I love to see CD-key banns :evil:

Errr... we can ban by CD-Key, we don't see the key itself, we see a hash of the key which never changes so any bans using this hash will ban the entire persons account from your server and all the soldiers he may have.

[Ecko]

Seems i've been "Owned"
Well, we shall see with this test. I'm still curious to see what happens, it's not like there CS has been completely straight forward with us.

EDIT:

Even this CS agent hasn't be exact with there wording. It could still be interpreted both for and against the ROE actually having any meaning.

[InfraRedPS]

Where DID your avatar come from?

[Ecko]

If i told you, i would have to kill you =P

[Alphaeus]

I really don't see why people get so upset about knife/pistol servers. I mean, the fact that other people are playing on them doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game at all whatsoever. There's more important things for EA to be working on for this game than monitoring knife/pistol servers.

[Vreki]

I was making a rough estimate, didn't realize I would get it wrong I should have added another 0. Still pretty close guess without using more than a couple seconds and my brain as the calculator.

About trolling, isn't that when you go off-topic and attack people for repling to the OP? I don't have to agree with you to state my opinion, but you have to be an asshat to act like that.

I would say that the asshat is him who enters a thread and states, not that he disagrees, but that nobody cares.

You did not state a opinion relevant to the discussion, you were just plain rude.

Since you don't care and don't have anything to add, you are by definition a Troll, which only posts to annoy people and laugh at their heated response.

Of course I should be ignoring you, but I don't like been called an asshat, even by trolls.

[Vreki]

Seems i've been "Owned"
Well, we shall see with this test. I'm still curious to see what happens, it's not like there CS has been completely straight forward with us.

EDIT:

Even this CS agent hasn't be exact with there wording. It could still be interpreted both for and against the ROE actually having any meaning.

Really, Ecko, are you reality impaired or just reading impaired? :D

I would love to hear your interpretation of The BF2 ROE and TOS should be referenced for any player actions, until such a time when an official BF2142 ROE is to be released.

[Ecko]

We are aware that many BF2142 players feel that since there is no official BF2142 ROE, that they can simply continue padding, cheating, harassing players, etc... Please note that we use the BF2 ROE as a guideline along with the TOS in our methods of actioning accounts. The BF2 ROE and TOS should be referenced for any player actions, until such a time when an official BF2142 ROE is to be released.

Keyword, guideline. It's not clear cut, as used via that word.

[Vreki]

We are aware that many BF2142 players feel that since there is no official BF2142 ROE, that they can simply continue padding, cheating, harassing players, etc... Please note that we use the BF2 ROE as a guideline along with the TOS in our methods of actioning accounts. The BF2 ROE and TOS should be referenced for any player actions, until such a time when an official BF2142 ROE is to be released.

Keyword, guideline. It's not clear cut, as used via that word.

Ha! You are creative, I will give you that. :)
But I think my referenced for any player actions overrules your guidelines.
How about K/P servers, do you think that is ambiguous too?

[Ecko]

The fact that Guideline was used, suggests to me that once again K/P servers are some what of a grey area. Although hosting one isn't allowed at all. (I'm guessing due to a separate agreement with the "Trusted Partners" )

[Maj.Damage]

The fact that Guideline was used, suggests to me that once again K/P servers are some what of a grey area. Although hosting one isn't allowed at all. (I'm guessing due to a separate agreement with the "Trusted Partners" )

Stop feeding the troll, he obviously can't fit this idea into his tiny head. I think he's just using this thread to fish. :eek:

[Ecko]

Me?
(Too short)

[Vreki]

Me?
(Too short)

Probably, since I have already been allocated the "asshat" slot :)

The problem with your "guideline" logic is that this will always work in EA´s favour. That way you cannot play lawyer and ask them to cite the specific part of the ROE that has been violated. The answer will be "It an overall guideline, not a complete list" and then they wipe you.

They state pretty clearly that you should play accordingly to the ROE/TOS or risk a reset.

[Maj.Damage]

Probably, since I have already been allocated the "asshat" slot :)

I don't normally reply to a thread of complete redundancy more than once, if that, this is not like me. I was talking about you, the individual trolling for attention like a fisherman drops his lure into the pond. Isn't there a sticky with the announcements that is posted by an official? This thread was sinking fast and I think it has hit rock bottom here. :hmm:

[Vreki]

I don't normally reply to a thread of complete redundancy more than once, if that, this is not like me. I was talking about you, the individual trolling for attention like a fisherman drops his lure into the pond. Isn't there a sticky with the announcements that is posted by an official? This thread was sinking fast and I think it has hit rock bottom here. :hmm:

Try rereading the thread, you will discover that the derailment was started by yourself.

But a serious answer: "Those who care" has long been locked in discussion because there is no official answer for EA about the BF2 ROE being in effect for BF2142.
You will find no sticky containing such a quote, so a lot of anarchist states that there is no ROE in effect for BF2142.

That has now been disproved with this direct quote from EA support.
And BFROE has found it relevant enough to post it on their own forums: http://www.bfroe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2449

[Ecko]

BFROE will do anything to hold there own heads above the water. The whole reasoning for me even getting into this mess to start with is the fact it's not clearly written out for players. I return to my original point when starting this debate those many weeks ago. "How can a person abide a rule they no nothing about." All you are given when you agree to the game is the EULA and TOS. No other documents, hence forth a player can't be expect to follow this elusive ROE. Which 1) has not been officially published (For 2142 and Even BF2 it's still rudimentary) 2) No mention of it in the TOS or EULA which are the only documents you agree to.
So, If it's not officially mentioned, PUBLICLY it should not be Considered fact. Your quote has neither proved nor disproved my point. Which shows not that you are wrong, nor me... but EA are for not clearly stating a rule set. But since it is not clearly stated it can be more or less assumed that it doesn't apply until such a time that it's Officially documented and agreed upon before playing such as being mentioned in the TOS.

I really do hope you see where I'm coming from. I'm not a stats padder, just fighting for the right to know what I'm allowed and not allowed to do.

[Maj.Damage]

I understand your objections.

Here's a scenario for you to consider. You don't want your 12 year old out past 10pm in the city, now do you? Well then you have to lock the door at night and enforce a curfew. If she starts sneaking out the window and says to you: "You can't tell me what to do!"

Now, are you going to enforce the rules here, or walk away and let her go. If you don't stop her she's going to encourage more 12 year olds to act this way and then we all know what is going to happen next... :cry:

Just everyone relax and play nice and nobody will get hurt. :evil:

[Vreki]

BFROE will do anything to hold there own heads above the water. The whole reasoning for me even getting into this mess to start with is the fact it's not clearly written out for players. I return to my original point when starting this debate those many weeks ago. "How can a person abide a rule they no nothing about." All you are given when you agree to the game is the EULA and TOS. No other documents, hence forth a player can't be expect to follow this elusive ROE. Which 1) has not been officially published (For 2142 and Even BF2 it's still rudimentary) 2) No mention of it in the TOS or EULA which are the only documents you agree to.
So, If it's not officially mentioned, PUBLICLY it should not be Considered fact. Your quote has neither proved nor disproved my point. Which shows not that you are wrong, nor me... but EA are for not clearly stating a rule set. But since it is not clearly stated it can be more or less assumed that it doesn't apply until such a time that it's Officially documented and agreed upon before playing such as being mentioned in the TOS.

I really do hope you see where I'm coming from. I'm not a stats padder, just fighting for the right to know what I'm allowed and not allowed to do.

We have always agreed on the part that EA has done a crappy job at publishing this (and writing the manual).

But can we now agree that EA, right or wrong, expects people to play by the rules from the BF2 ROE.?

And that they reserve the right to reset and/or unrank anyone breaking these rules?

[Ecko]

Well I can't, it's too late for me to agree to that. There's two conditions which will leave me in complete surrender though. 1) My stats get reset due to this test. Or 2) There is COMPLETE Confirmation that the ROE is live. Anyhow, I just quoted your first post to the rep i've been talking to and asked his opinion, i'll get back to you on what he says.

[Mongo Only Pawn]

you dolt.

[shiftymoves]

http://www.bfroe.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2449
Not only is it the guidline. It's Battlefield LAW

It would be wise to read the link, because there is a change a coming!!!

:p

[Kraxis]

I understand your objections.

Here's a scenario for you to consider. You don't want your 12 year old out past 10pm in the city, now do you? Well then you have to lock the door at night and enforce a curfew. If she starts sneaking out the window and says to you: "You can't tell me what to do!"

Now, are you going to enforce the rules here, or walk away and let her go. If you don't stop her she's going to encourage more 12 year olds to act this way and then we all know what is going to happen next... :cry:

Just everyone relax and play nice and nobody will get hurt. :evil:

I understand his objections as well. I believe in the ROE (as in support it), I think that in general is a good set of rules.
But back when I joined BF2 I had no idea of this and happily joined K/P servers, first to get a singel badge, then because they are hugely fun. I thought that if the servers were up they must be legal. Silly me... I risked getting wiped without knowing it.
I didn't even know of the ROE until about mid November or so, and only learned of it because I am in a little clan where I asked where the heck they got all those rules.

I had to actively seek out rules that are not stated within the game in any way. That is lousy work by EA. I thought I was in the safe. Now nothing happened and I haven't dabbled with K/P servers since I found out (there haven't been that many I could find anyway).

So if you want to use that 12 yearold analogy, then it would be like me wanting to keep her in, not locking the door and having a paper lying in my neigbours house stating that she is not allowed to go out after said time. When she does I punish her and perhaps tell her that she violated the rules, which she can find there, or perhaps I don't tell her and just punish her.

How will she learn if I don't tell her, and how was she supposed to know that she had to be in at that time if I never told her?