What's the deal with curse words?

[Armada]

yesterday I got BANNED from a server just for writing the word "fuk" in the chat which was the unintentionally mispelled word for "funk". Now my question is why is there such a big fuzz about curse words??? you get banned for saying what everyone knows what they mean and IMO don't take the offensive meaning of it.
Man nobody dies from reading a couple of ****,****,crap,etc.... :rolleyes:

[nutcrackr]

T for TEEN, swearing in a game where you kill people is a no-no.

Think of the Children!

[Armada]

but why??? why is it so important that they dont read these horrible demonic words. They already know them for sure :rolleyes:

[jtman23]

It's because parent's don't raise their kids to have any respect for anyone else today. Yeah I know I'm only 22 but some of you would be suprised at my maturity (ready to get flamed now). Just ask yourself if you would want your kid learning that it's ok to say anything around anyone. Or better yet, ask yourself if OTHER people would want their kids learning that.

[KBH33]

but why??? why is it so important that they dont read these horrible demonic words. They already know them for sure :rolleyes:


Its for those who don't know those words.

And also it can hurt there feelings


Well probably the admin doesn't ppl swearing in their server. Hoping their server would be clean :rolleyes:

[directx10]

ESRB rating gameplay may change during online play

i knew those words when i was 13, besides on halo PC they used to ban for swearing and that game was rated M which is supposed to be 17 +

one time i got kicked for saying "the voss is really powerfull now" post 1.05 because the word powerfull has fu in it, its just kinda stupid now

[Shada]

I think well placed swears are funny. They're just words - you're only offended by them if you want to be offended by them.

A BAN for swearing, though? You sure it wasn't a kick? How easily offended do you have to be to BAN someone for swearing? Pfft.

[jtman23]

one time i got kicked for saying "the voss is really powerfull now" post 1.05 because the word powerfull has fu in it, its just kinda stupid now


Haha, wow :laugh:

[KBH33]

Ummmmmm I thought BF2142 had this big tag saying 16+
(or is it only in England?)

[jtman23]

ESRB rating (not sure how it works in Europe) is based primarily on offline play. Thats what the "gameplay may change during online play" is for.

[Buttoneer]

Is the swear ban thing able to listen into VOIP...? If not it's a complete waste of coding.

I fink U NO wot I is sayin'...

[The_Eliminator]

I got instant ban for saying these words in servers:

Noob
Dam (wtf!)
iPod (not a clue why but i reported them)
Crap
Skunk2142 (this i smiled at :))


Some admins really dont know what is right and what is wrong to say in servers, i mean being instantly banned for saying iPod was ridiculous!

[NKDeus]

I dont care if they know them or not, you will get one warning, then a ban.
I know of some players as young as 5 or 6, and I DO NOT want them to see any of it.

[Shada]

But of course it's perfectly fine for a 5 or 6 year old to run someone over with a tank, complete with sickening crunching/crushing noise and "Hyaaagh!" death scream :P

[Buttoneer]

I dont care if they know them or not, you will get one warning, then a ban.
I know of some players as young as 5 or 6, and I DO NOT want them to see any of it.

But of course it's perfectly fine for a 5 or 6 year old to run someone over with a tank, complete with sickening crunching/crushing noise and "Hyaaagh!" death scream :P

:nod:

Especially since the game is a 16+ in the UK and if the childs parents cannot be bothered to protect them from the content which has been officially stamped as inappropriate, why should anyone else give a ****?

Also, what's to stop someone cursing away over VOIP? Nothing at all. If you can't police a ban fully, then the ban is worthless.

[Snooze]

You can mute people that abuse VOIP as if anyone uses it in the first place. Also the ban is to reduce gloating in chat more since most times you build a sentence with those words it's not going to be praise. If I had my way I'd ban that AOL shorthand garbage which has done more damage to children's ability to construct sentences than any curse word.

The point is don't need to be trolling in a battlefield game's chat.

[Vreki]

But of course it's perfectly fine for a 5 or 6 year old to run someone over with a tank, complete with sickening crunching/crushing noise and "Hyaaagh!" death scream :P

I don't think pre-teens should be playing this kind of game at all.

But it is unlikely that a kid will take the tank driving skills he has acquired in BF2142 and apply them to real life. New curse words on the other hand.....

I don't think much of people who curse in chat. While I might be enraged and let a word slip now and then that is unfit for younger ears, it takes a more concious effort to type it out in chat, it is not something that just happens in the heat of the moment.

But with the ever growing list of banned words, it would be more fair just to hide the entire text, instead of kicking at first offence.

[BrotherWill]

Im just trying to figure out why you were saying funk and not meant to say fuk. Its not like funk is a commonly used word, its a bit dated. Was it something like "funk you mother funker you funking jurk"? I mean, even if it isnt exactly the word, its still cursing someone. I would ban someone for implied cursing if I was an admin, because thats being a 12 year old who says Im going to do it because it doesnt exactly say that. If that was the case then it was still a deserved ban, if not and it was a legitamet use of the word funk(however dated it is) then dont say funk either. I think you can get by without using it.

[|D|-Max]

we need blood.

I got ban for saying "****" to my squad, we where on a roof and I feel off so I said "****"

[Yan]

People are trying to connect verbal abuse with gameplay violence - that’s just wrong. The chances of your child deciding its ok to shoot people because he played a computer game are slim, he really needs a distorted grasp of reality in order for that to happen. However, a verbally hostile environment can have a much more direct and noticeable effect over children. Even if you could prove that ingame brutality has a negative effect, the problem will still be less imminent than ingame vulgarity.

This is just to explain the difference, and why cursing is taken more seriously. Personally, I don’t really give a ****.

[jtman23]

I don't think it's about gameplay violence at all. I think it's simple, common descency. Just my opinon though.

[Alphaeus]

I dont care if they know them or not, you will get one warning, then a ban.
I know of some players as young as 5 or 6, and I DO NOT want them to see any of it.

Overzealous admins like you are the ones that make this game less fun. Why is it your job to be the parent to millions of kids out there? Get a life and grow some skin.

[Armada]

Overzealous admins like you are the ones that make this game less fun. Why is it your job to be the parent to millions of kids out there? Get a life and grow some skin.

x2 :laugh:

[RangerXML]

A certian server I know in BF2 use to be very busy and always had alot of traffic, but then it was decided to kick anyone who used words such as "noob" and other very common words to online gaming. Leave it to say that server hasn't been very busy since. All this PC crap is getting on my nerves, no team sports with points in schools, no cursing in public, no f-ing smoking within 20 feet of a buisness or public area...what so I gotta go into the street to smoke now and besides my cigaret killing my slowly I gotta worry about cars now too:p Yesterday I was watching a program on serial killers, quiet graphic pictures, yet I turn to a rap station an every second word was blanked (how the heck are you suppose to list to that crap is every other word is silnce. Honestly its propably the best way to list to it, just mute it and watch the girlies).

Atleast VOIP and TS can't be censort yet.

This is to all the folk that still remember the "Burning Bush" when they went to school, peace.

[Vikaman]

I got banned for saying sh!t. I was like WTF!!!!!!!!! sweet jesus.

[RangerXML]

Happy to say I've only gottan banned once for accessive TKs. Wake, Arti and no one would leave the carrier, nuff said:p

[Merlin]

Its is purely the choice of the server admin to choose what words are on the list of no no words.

If the admin so desired they could just delete the list and let anyone say what they wanted.

[starjax]

You can enable or disable the language filter. We have run ours enababled and disabled. Currently it is enabled. It does tend to be restrictive, but since the 1.10 patch it has been better.

We warn before we kick. We don't ban unless they come back and are abusive. As a server owner, its our choice. We do have parents and children who play together on our server. When we had it disabled we saw a lot of juevinile attitudes being displayed. It's one thing to call someone a noob or say wtf. Its something else entirely when they go off on a long diatribe. We found that to be offensive and distracting. It is far easier to use the language filter to keep things civilized.

[Maj.Damage]

T for TEEN, swearing in a game where you kill people is a no-no.

Think of the Children!

LOL, yeah don't add insult to injury in these poor poor children.... :laugh:

[[MyIS]Steve]

the way we admin servers is this

if your saying *** cause you died, thats one thing

but if your saying *** and attacking another player thats completely different

however the ROE does state..

(a) Players may not use explicit, offensive or racist language in-game.

venting to a point is ok by me, but out and out cussing someone out will get you kicked or banned..

thats my 2 cents..

Indian

[Ized]

if you are playing a game were people are being gutted, riddled to pieces with guns or blown to bits, getting offended by a few f or s words feels kind of moot.

[Maverick23]

If I had my way I'd ban that AOL shorthand garbage which has done more damage to children's ability to construct sentences than any curse word.

Well said. I cant stand when Im trying to talk to someone and they say something like.... " N E 1 going to da club with dem..." whatever i cant think of how those idiots talk right now, lol. You know what i mean though. Its like talking to a 3 year old.

[solodude23]

Anyone that goes to school hears just as much curse words there as they do in games.

[DeltaDeuce]

A certian server I know in BF2 use to be very busy and always had alot of traffic, but then it was decided to kick anyone who used words such as "noob" and other very common words to online gaming. Leave it to say that server hasn't been very busy since.

Wrong. It's always populated, if this is the one you're thinking..

http://www.game-monitor.com/server-stat-image/64.34.214.4:16567.png

[kerosene31]

Usually caused by server admins who think that Stalin was too soft :)

It doesn't bother me much, and I try to respect the admin's wishes as much as possible, but some go too far.

I've been warned for typing 'wtf'. I mean, wtf????

[jameslcfc]

lol i got banned for sayin "move the titans loser", i was meant to say "move the titans closer"...silly admins. its a word, woopdefu*kindoo

[BrotherWill]

Overzealous admins like you are the ones that make this game less fun. Why is it your job to be the parent to millions of kids out there? Get a life and grow some skin.Personally, I prefer to play with mature people. Overzealous cursers are usually 12 years olds who are trying out cursing like its a new toy. Im 35 years old and I dont want to hear it. Slip of the lip and a little venting, ok. To a point. But you start cursing other peeps and its hasta de la vista baby. Dont get me wrong, I occasionaly vent on VOIP, but that can be muted by those that can hear it. But I dont curse other people and if someone asked me to not vent on VOIP, I would be more careful. Too easy, too grown up, and has nothing to do with "think skin". Thick skin is about taking criticism, not verbal abuse.

[Maj.Damage]

Personally, I prefer to play with mature people. Overzealous cursers are usually 12 years olds who are trying out cursing like its a new toy.

Lighten up man, its rated T for TEEN, so it works both ways. People are just here to have fun and if swearing is a problem with the community you play in PB will gladly do the admining for you. Still they're teenagers, what you never swore before and still had a blast?

[J_Toso]

Cause servers are run by 16 year old tiny pen*s, mother f**king p*ssies who couldn't f**k a girl if he paid for her. Either that, or they are religious psychos.

It can go too far though. Such as this post :P

[BrotherWill]

Lighten up man, its rated T for TEEN, so it works both ways. People are just here to have fun and if swearing is a problem with the community you play in PB will gladly do the admining for you. Still they're teenagers, what you never swore before and still had a blast?I think my post was pretty clear. Maybe you should re-read it?:confused:

[Maj.Damage]

Hey I didn't mean to quote you directly, just anyone that says 12 year olds are the majority of us cussing. You vent in a microphone it is in people's faces, but a little tiny text on the screen, man I can't see that, I'm too busy getting kills.

To the potty mouths: Oh, you died again? Shame. Hahaha!

[vbl]

I've posted on this ad nauseum. Suffice to say:

- "Curse" words should be fine
- Racism and hate speech should never be tolerated

[LahLahSr]

The fact that this is a game, makes no difference. You're visiting someone's "house" and if they do not talk like your peers in the arcades, it's not their issue, but yours.

Consider it training for your future career - learn to express yourself in a different way. Not everyone likes cursing.

If you find yourself incapable of expressing yourself without cursing, then consider the kicks and bans a free education - sooner or later you will have to learn to master the art of socializing with strangers in settings that you do not control.

[The_Eliminator]

I got banned for saying iPod!!! How is that offensive!

Children dont listen to him, hes trying to seduce you into buying an iPod from apple! :O

[Revoluti0n]

yesterday I got BANNED from a server just for writing the word "fuk" in the chat which was the unintentionally mispelled word for "funk". Now my question is why is there such a big fuzz about curse words??? you get banned for saying what everyone knows what they mean and IMO don't take the offensive meaning of it.
Man nobody dies from reading a couple of ****,****,crap,etc.... :rolleyes:


Like it or not, you have to respect the choices of server owners. Not everyone revels in the joy of hearing countless F-bombs as much as you might. It does not matter what "everyone knows what they mean and IMO don't take the offensive meaning of it." you might not get offended, but as crazy as it might seem, someone might want to just play a game without having to read it. Some might call it maturity...I guess it skips generations.:rolleyes:

[ghaib]

When typing really fast (and BF2/2142 doesn't recognize fast typing as well as other games), sometimes "flag" becomes "F A G" (without spaces, this forum bans the word too :) . Oops. Kick.

GET THE ***!

What?

[BrotherWill]

Hey I didn't mean to quote you directly, just anyone that says 12 year olds are the majority of us cussing. You vent in a microphone it is in people's faces, but a little tiny text on the screen, man I can't see that, I'm too busy getting kills.

To the potty mouths: Oh, you died again? Shame. Hahaha!I follow you Brother, and perhaps I was bit harsh in my reply. What I am saying is, while I dont have an issue with slips of the lip, because those are unintentional, typing takes a concerted effort. You have to stop what your doing and type. VOIP is only a button and usually when I personally slip, I was already engaged in saying something. For example, "Hey lets head over too silo 1 and....God *bleep* it! Some R-tard just rammed me with a transport". Thats totally different than me telling that R-tard what an a**hat he is over text. But I know what your saying and truthfully, I am desperately trying to curb my slips of the lip also. It just makes you look stupid. I think we are mostly in agreement.

[-=NaG=- Heady]

yeah, I don't get it... But I don't type 'words' that much anyway.

They must want to disable the "sorry message" too....
Sometimes it says "Dam, Sorry!"

[Lord_Valid]

Im danish, played on a swedish server - and I got kicked for saying in public:

"where the hell is our gunships when they are needed"

which everybody probably can agree to is just some outbreak and not meant as a curse towards anything but dirt or whatever..

[The_Eliminator]

This issue is really getting to me now. I cant stand racist remarks but the fact that a person can get away with shouting racial stuff in abbreviations amongst the "kids" and not get kicked but yet when i call him a noob i am banned for one round.

Its ****ing stupid.

[Soduka]

yeah, I don't get it... But I don't type 'words' that much anyway.

They must want to disable the "sorry message" too....
Sometimes it says "Dam, Sorry!"

No, it doesn't, that was BF2, even THAT was toned down to Darn, sorry, which is just insulting to a point. What, American's swear more on the battlefield than the EU apparently?

And really, I just leave the issue alone. I can't stand hippies, that's just annoying. I entitle everyone to their own expression of ideas however they want to verbalize them, but when the "Man" comes down on you because they feel it's their job to police the world, it p!sses me right the "Flower" off. I'm sure you know what I was saying.

[Vikaman]

The problem is that there is no ESRB notice that the theme might change online - like CoH does.

Hence Admins might kick, as player change the 'rating' and 'online experience'

[RDST]

Personally, I feel the need for the kicking. When I want to play a game, I would prefer not having to read the vulgar language that can be posted by some. Swearing doesn't make a kid look more adult. Do I swear? Yes, occasionally, but it does not spew from my mouth like a hose.

As for racism, that should never be tollerated.

[BigFellor]

Think of the Children!

**** the children. I'm sick of not even being able to say "This gun/kit/vehicle/etc sucks ***" and getting kicked/banned for saying "***". Are 13 year olds or religious fundamentalists running all of these servers? ITS A WAR GAME FOR ****"S SAKE! The entire point is to be KILLING PEOPLE, and I can't say "****"? Give me a break.

EDIT; Even "***" (that other word for a buttocks) is edited out on here. And if you're OFFENDED by mere words, get lost.

[WarGimp]

I've always considered the over-use of swearing to be a sign of a deficient mentality.

Why be so common as to use the term "F:censored:ing noob" when you can be much more creative?

Try "Lambasted little sputum sucker", for example.
;)

[RDST]

**** the children. I'm sick of not even being able to say "This gun/kit/vehicle/etc sucks ***" and getting kicked/banned for saying "***". Are 13 year olds or religious fundamentalists running all of these servers? ITS A WAR GAME FOR ****"S SAKE! The entire point is to be KILLING PEOPLE, and I can't say "****"? Give me a break.

EDIT; Even "***" (that other word for a buttocks) is edited out on here. And if you're OFFENDED by mere words, get lost.

I have a amazing idea coming to me! Wait... here it comes... Ahaha!

Show some maturity, you are playing on their server they have the right to enforce a ban on swearing. It's you saying I might add.

[Vikaman]

**** the children. I'm sick of not even being able to say "This gun/kit/vehicle/etc sucks ***" and getting kicked/banned for saying "***". Are 13 year olds or religious fundamentalists running all of these servers? ITS A WAR GAME FOR ****"S SAKE! The entire point is to be KILLING PEOPLE, and I can't say "****"? Give me a break.

EDIT; Even "***" (that other word for a buttocks) is edited out on here. And if you're OFFENDED by mere words, get lost.

May You Rest In Peace.

[Judg3ment_Day 7]

I'm really tired of these horredously anal swear filters. It's rediculous, now I understand saying something quote" FU** YOU NI***R SUCK MY DI**'/quote ends, would get you banned. But saying damn when you fall down and the parachute and getting kicked is a bit too much. I'm just saying, golly dangit just doesn't really express my feelings.

[Stinger911]

Everyone who takes offense and/or is repulsed by curse words needs to examine why that is. The words don't have any innate power over how you respond to them. You were conditioned by society/parents etc. to believe that they were "dirty" words and that you were SUPPOSED to feel naughty if you used them. This is pure social conditioning.

Most of these words, in-game, are used as expressions of frustration. Expressions of frustration are healthy. Keeping everything inside like a good Puritan is a great way to become a serial killer.

[Whiteplague]

I'm just saying, golly dangit just doesn't really express my feelings.
[RANT=1]
OMFG LOLLERSKATES, ROFLCOPTERS, WTFBOMBS BBQPWNED i practically had a ****ing heart attack when i read that it was so gosh darn (<====LOL!!!) funny omg... call an EMT i need medical help omg, i cant even look at "golly dangir" without falling out of my chair[RANT/]

i must agree sometimes its necessary to use some stronger words to say "im really sorry(insert many four letter words) i let myself get killed by(omsert many more of them...) that noob" or "i hate you very much you stupid (insert four letter word here) pregnant dog(and here)"

[Whiteplague]

Keeping everything inside like a good Puritan is a great way to become a serial killer.


im no puritan but... im an implosive anger type person so, its been building for 6 years and id hate to be the person who pissed me off if i found a gun when i really lost it:laugh:

(i dont want to be a cereal killer (<===lol @ that) so can sombody give me a good way to vent)

[LahLahSr]

People who have such little self-control that they can't stop themselves from TYPING a curse-word, requires...adjustment. There is a difference between uttering a small curse verbally when something really really frustrating happens and cursing via the keyboard.

People with this little impusle-control deserves a gentle reminder that they should seek professional help. The rest does it on purpose and deserve every kick/ban they get.

House rules boys and girls...follow them or leave..

It's really very simple..even here, most people should be able to grasp that..

[WarGimp]

Most of these words, in-game, are used as expressions of frustration. Expressions of frustration are healthy. Keeping everything inside like a good Puritan is a great way to become a serial killer.
The flip side of that coin is that there are also a lot of people who really need to learn how to act like adults. I'm not just talking about kids... there's plenty of childish people at the age of 30 and beyond.

I don't have a problem with curse words in general. When used well, they make for a good expressive comment. It's those people that use them constantly that kinda bug me a bit. It doesn't offend me... it just erodes my opinion of them.

Seriously, we've got so much language at our disposal for expressing ourselves. Not every blasted word needs to be four letters!

While "dang gosh golly" might not quite cover how you feel, "oh for the love of rectal ramming arse monkeys" might do the trick. ;)

[Carbon_Snake]

Swear words are for people that dont know how to use proper english, i also enjoy Fragging :ar15: cronic swear monkeys

[Whiteplague]

"oh for the love of rectal ramming arse monkeys" might do the trick. ;)

this was my rant post all over again lol thats funny stuff ill use it, if u see it in-game im the one saying it

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

the way we admin servers is this

if your saying *** cause you died, thats one thing

but if your saying *** and attacking another player thats completely different

< snipped >

venting to a point is ok by me, but out and out cussing someone out will get you kicked or banned..

thats my 2 cents..

Indian

That's how we handle things too. Racial slurs will be an automatic permanent ban on our server..always have and always will. Most of our ban list decided the n-bomb was appropriate for chat.

Attacking other players to the point of abuse is not tolerated but exclamations for being upset in general or what not are fine with us so long as you don't type some profanity every 5 seconds b/c you got killed again.

The game is rated T and it clearly says that content can change online. If you're a parent and you can't read that stuff to determine if you want your child exposed to it or not then it's not my problem if your child happens to get exposed to it.

[RDST]

Swear words are for people that dont know how to use proper english, i also enjoy Fragging :ar15: cronic swear monkeys

Not to rag on you... but, the english language also for people that capitolize I. Other than that, I agree and concur.

I also agree with VT Nerd, besides he is one of the few who accutally owns a server.

[WarGimp]

this was my rant post all over again lol thats funny stuff ill use it, if u see it in-game im the one saying it
Don't blame me if you get kicked/banned!
:p

It might not be swearing, but it's defiantly offensive. My point is that you can come up with much more biting insults without the use of a fixed set of mundane four letter words.

[Oompa]

Why do we have words if we can't use them?

[WarGimp]

Why do with have guns, knives, nuclear weapons, and fists if we can't use them?

The answer is; you can... but you have to choose when they are appropriate or not.

[LahLahSr]

Why do we have words if we can't use them?

There is a time and place for everything - filling the airwaves or chatlines with puerile obscenities borne by an abysmal poverty of throught is not the time, nor the place.

Now go sodomize a deceased crustacean you illegitimate offspring of an intellectually challenged amoeba. (just showing that if you have a strong desire to get on someone's case, you can get the point across without overdoing the vulgarities and still not come across as a complete dunce..:D :D

[Oompa]

There is a time and place for everything - filling the airwaves or chatlines with puerile obscenities borne by an abysmal poverty of throught is not the time, nor the place.

Now go sodomize a deceased crustacean you illegitimate offspring of an intellectually challenged amoeba. (just showing that if you have a strong desire to get on someone's case, you can get the point across without overdoing the vulgarities and still not come across as a complete dunce..:D :D

True, but why isn't the game a time or place for it? Most gamers swear like sailors so what's wrong with bringing it into the game?

That insult made no sense, an amoeba can't really be intellectually challenged or give offspring to a human. Plus is having sex with a dead lobster/crab possible? And why does someone using "forbidden" words make them dumb? That doesn't make sense to me.

=-o I almost missed you WarGimp... Well that's a terrible analogy. Swear words don't kill someone or really alter them in any way. It's just a word, if everyone didn't make such a big deal out of it then there'd be no problem at all. Now nuking someone does screw stuff up. And I use knives all the time, what do you cut meat with?

[vbl]

Curse words only offend people who want to be offended.

Racial slurs and hate speech are a different story since there are some very serious, often violent actions associated with those terms. Frankly, I find the widespread use of r-a-p-e to be far more offensive than someone yelling the "f-word" on a server, considering the implications of a real r-a-p-e.

I wonder, if your mother or sister or girlfriend or wife had to experience the real deal, would you use it so casually?

Whereas a word like sh1t - who cares? It means poop. Feces. Crap. Aside from there being a million synonyms that mean the exact same thing (and there are no meaningful associations), why in the world do people get worked up over one set of 4 letters but not another, like crap?

Because they want to. Honestly, one of the only reasons that we still have curse words is because we have curse words - the moment you make something not taboo is the moment that people stop using it like it matters. It only has as much power as you give it, friends.

Lots of people have figured it out, but a lot more still think it's naughty for me to tell you to go f**k yourself - even though I could probably tell you to go ram a road cone up your rectum and your beloved language filter would let me slide.

Bottom line... Curse words? Who cares. Hate speech? Ban.

[Patton-TOP-]

We cant use bad language on a video game with the objective of killing people because schoolteachers and daycare managers are the admins of the servers.

[Patton-TOP-]

Did i add the fact that you kill people in this game?

[Vreki]

Did i add the fact that you kill people in this game?

Really? So why aren't we all in jail?
Could it be because we do in fact not kill people, but only pretend.

The curse words on the other hand are real.

Nobody is stopping you from cursing like a sailor in front of your computer if you need to vent, but why is it necessary to bring it to a public game filled with unknown people?

What it all comes down to is that some people are annoyed because they are prevented from insulting other people. It is diffcult for me to feel sorry for them.

[LahLahSr]

True, but why isn't the game a time or place for it? Most gamers swear like sailors so what's wrong with bringing it into the game?

That insult made no sense, an amoeba can't really be intellectually challenged or give offspring to a human. Plus is having sex with a dead lobster/crab possible? And why does someone using "forbidden" words make them dumb? That doesn't make sense to me.

...

It's not the time or place for it, because it bothers a lot of people, as evidenced in this thread. If it helps, liken it to farting loudly often in a movie-theatre. You're among strangers and it is discourteous, inappropriate and offensive.

Most gamers do not swear like sailors - but the loudest ones usually do, yes.

I'm sorry - it wasn't meant as an insult. It was more of a tongue-in-cheek pun at cursing and not at all directed at you or intended to be taken seriously ;)

Using these words doesn't make anyone dumb, but using them inappropriately and too frequently is a fairly good indicator of dumbness. I'm sure you are familiar with a speech pattern that overuse the word "like" all the time, for example: "So I'm like..blah..blah..like..blah...and he's like blah blah blah..". While that is not vulgar per se, it's evidence of the same poverty of thought - an idiosyncratic, uncontrolled overly repeptitive speech pattern shows a complete lack awareness. Dumb.

[black.isis]

True, but why isn't the game a time or place for it? Most gamers swear like sailors so what's wrong with bringing it into the game?

That insult made no sense, an amoeba can't really be intellectually challenged or give offspring to a human. Plus is having sex with a dead lobster/crab possible? And why does someone using "forbidden" words make them dumb? That doesn't make sense to me.

=-o I almost missed you WarGimp... Well that's a terrible analogy. Swear words don't kill someone or really alter them in any way. It's just a word, if everyone didn't make such a big deal out of it then there'd be no problem at all. Now nuking someone does screw stuff up. And I use knives all the time, what do you cut meat with?

this thread is f'in funny. third page and still very much on topic.

[LahLahSr]

Did i add the fact that you kill people in this game?

To you and the numerous others who have tried this flawed stab at "logic":
You are not killing anyone in this game. Not virtually and not literally. Everyone respawns, so it's not even a pretend-kill.

The swearing, however, is not pretend, it's not a game - it's real. As real as running around in a mall crowded with strangers out to enjoy themselves. Would you run around there and scream obscenities loudly all the time?

The answer is (fortunately) no, in most cases. Ask yourselves, why that is. What is it that stops you from doing that there? let me help you out - because even those of you with the poorest upbringing knows that this is inappropriate. If others did it, you would be offended too.

What many seems to struggle with here, is the fact that the same etiquette reigns in a virtual community.

If this was Bordellofield2142, maybe it would be OK to be vulgar - then again, when you kids sneak into an XXX theatre to watch some blue movies, do you sit there and yell the same vulgarities?

Methinks not...:D :laugh: :D

[Oompa]

It's not the time or place for it, because it bothers a lot of people, as evidenced in this thread. If it helps, liken it to farting loudly often in a movie-theatre. You're among strangers and it is discourteous, inappropriate and offensive.

Most gamers do not swear like sailors - but the loudest ones usually do, yes.

I'm sorry - it wasn't meant as an insult. It was more of a tongue-in-cheek pun at cursing and not at all directed at you or intended to be taken seriously ;)

Using these words doesn't make anyone dumb, but using them inappropriately and too frequently is a fairly good indicator of dumbness. I'm sure you are familiar with a speech pattern that overuse the word "like" all the time, for example: "So I'm like..blah..blah..like..blah...and he's like blah blah blah..". While that is not vulgar per se, it's evidence of the same poverty of thought - an idiosyncratic, uncontrolled overly repeptitive speech pattern shows a complete lack awareness. Dumb.

What's wrong with farting in a movie theater. It's just an innocent bodily function...

Most gamers I meet usually do. Even more so when losing...

Oh I didn't take it as one, I'm just stating that it makes no sense.

I've never met anyone that I see uses it too frequently. Plus how would you set it to kick if you use 10 swears in like 3 minutes or so.

[Abominogg]

Personally, I prefer to play with mature people. Overzealous cursers are usually 12 years olds who are trying out cursing like its a new toy. Im 35 years old and I dont want to hear it. Slip of the lip and a little venting, ok. To a point. But you start cursing other peeps and its hasta de la vista baby. Dont get me wrong, I occasionaly vent on VOIP, but that can be muted by those that can hear it. But I dont curse other people and if someone asked me to not vent on VOIP, I would be more careful. Too easy, too grown up, and has nothing to do with "think skin". Thick skin is about taking criticism, not verbal abuse.
Mature ppl dont swear? I am mature, with a $200K house, bills, wife and kids and great job, and I swear when I want, it's a right I have earned as an adult.
What kind of bleeding-heart liberals are playing a game where they get to kill ppl? They're just words, one of many ways to express or vent. I work with hundreds of adults, and I hear them every day, no big deal. Swearing is something adults are allowed to do w/o getting punished. Kids get punished by their parents for swearing (I did, my kids will), but why are we adults getting kick/banned for our freedom of speech? It's a right every adult has to be able to swear. You don't think in real life if someone tried to tk you that you wouldnt swear? Or if you fell off of a roof, you wouldnt say sh/t?
What kind of pansies are out there? What kind of double standard is this? I can but multiple bullets in you, but I can't say a bad word? WTF!? And if you can't take a little verbal abuse, go play Mario Bros. with your 4 yr old.

[LahLahSr]

Maturity is a state of being, not an indication of age. Much the same way that a high rank in the game isn't an indicator of skill.

Do you swear in a kindergarten? Do you swear like that on a playground? Do you swear like that in schools?

There is no double standard, there just is a standard. The same type of standard that kicks teachers if they drop the F-bomb every two minutes in a class room.

When will you curse-loving stalwarts begin to realize that you are among complete strangers of all ages? When will sink in that there are many children around?

..oh and talk about double-standard: punish your kids for doing what you do?

Oh, and get OVER the "I'm killing you"-fantasy about this game. You are not killing anyone - you are playing and pretending.

If two children play with their action figures in a sandbox and they start swearing like sailors, would you think that it was self-contradictory to correct them for their choice of words if you accept that they are "killing" each other during their game?

Clearly you associate swearing with a certain degree of manly toughness and those who dislike it are pansies or bleeding-heart liberals.

One question: do you get paid to play this stereotype of a 1950's male caricature or is it because you don't know any better?

[Vreki]

I am mature, with a $200K house, bills, wife and kids and great job, and I swear when I want, it's a right I have earned as an adult.
Thats all nice and unverifiable, but maturity is not a matter of age or wealth.


Swearing is something adults are allowed to do w/o getting punished. Kids get punished by their parents for swearing (I did, my kids will), but why are we adults getting kick/banned for our freedom of speech? It's a right every adult has to be able to swear.

Where I live, we learn kids not to swear because we want them to be non-swearing adults. Not because it is a right that comes with age or because we want to show them that they have less status than adults. It doesnt become prettier just because you get older.

And I can see you are an American? Then you should realize that the "Freedom of speech" right is about what your goverment can restrict, not privately owned servers.


You don't think in real life if someone tried to tk you that you wouldnt swear? Or if you fell off of a roof, you wouldnt say sh/t?
What kind of pansies are out there? What kind of double standard is this? I can but multiple bullets in you, but I can't say a bad word? WTF!? And if you can't take a little verbal abuse, go play Mario Bros. with your 4 yr old.
If you put multiple bullets in me, you will spend a large part of your life in jail.
And I might swear in front of my computer, but I am decent enough not to share that with the 63 other players who might not care for cursing.

My kid is only 2 years old, but I am certainly looking forward to playing kids games with him. And I still think I am mature :)

[Oompa]

Maturity is a state of being, not an indication of age. Much the same way that a high rank in the game isn't an indicator of skill.

Do you swear in a kindergarten? Do you swear like that on a playground? Do you swear like that in schools?

There is no double standard, there just is a standard. The same type of standard that kicks teachers if they drop the F-bomb every two minutes in a class room.

When will you curse-loving stalwarts begin to realize that you are among complete strangers of all ages? When will sink in that there are many children around?

..oh and talk about double-standard: punish your kids for doing what you do?

Oh, and get OVER the "I'm killing you"-fantasy about this game. You are not killing anyone - you are playing and pretending.

If two children play with their action figures in a sandbox and they start swearing like sailors, would you think that it was self-contradictory to correct them for their choice of words if you accept that they are "killing" each other during their game?

Clearly you associate swearing with a certain degree of manly toughness and those who dislike it are pansies or bleeding-heart liberals.

One question: do you get paid to play this stereotype of a 1950's male caricature or is it because you don't know any better?

The best teacher I had swore constantly. Helped keep all the history in your mind. He's still around, and still a superb teacher. I still see nothing wrong with swearing, standard or not. Swearing is part of life. It's just more words to add to your vocabulary.

[LahLahSr]

This teacher is an exception and not indicative of the norm. Nor is the employer who keeps this teacher around. Surely you don't equate this teacher with the majority of the swearing players that are being discussed here.

If this teacher was a complete stranger and not in a position of authority or otherwise had anything but a short-term passing connection with you in your life, you wouldn't have his teaching skills to compensate for his bad manners and he would appear to you like any other rude stranger who is yelling F-this and F-that in a family restaurant.

BF2142 is not your school - at best it's your McDonalds. A place you go to occasionally, full of stangers in all age groups and there to enjoy themselves. While swearing is part of many lives, that is not the time or the place to force others to listen to you curse.

I don't see anything wrong with swearing per se either - but I do see something wrong with forcing complete strangers to listen to it. Swear with your friends in the backyard. Curse in a bar where it's commonly accepted perhaps.

Swearing is, by and large, not an addition to your vocabulary. For the most part it is used as a crude substitue for a variety of other words. It's a mental lazyness of sorts.

[GIJLowe]

I understand the irony of disallowing swearing in a game where you kill people.

However, I think the explanation is this: in the game, if you unload your clip into your opponents, you aren't actually killing people; however if you choose to type some choice four-letter-words, you ARE actually swearing!

Sure, saying a bad word is not the same thing as shooting someone, but in the game, it's different: it's shooting a virtual image of a gun at an image on a screen, versus swearing. See the difference? I think that's why swearing is not allowed in this game, and I can understand that.

[so1id sn@ke]

Hi, I'm 17. I swear a lot. I started swearing (of course with friends, not my parents) in about 5th grade. Do I agree with people for swearing in this debate? No. The fact of the matter is, whether you like it or not, whether you think it's the parents fault or not, there are underage kids playing this game (most annoying on VOIP, I may add:p ) So do we just say, "Fu*k it, I don't give a fu*k about them, it's not a place for kids, so I don't care." Not unless you're an immature, inconsiderate a$shole, you're don't.
I agree with LahLahsr and the rest, we shouldn't be the ones showing kids that kind of language. I have a unique perspective on this, I learned to swear quite early, and like Brother Will said, I "tried it out like a new toy". Now, I tend to avoid kids, because I might end up leting "sh!t" slip out of my mouth (both figuratively and verbally). Letting kids hear swear words in public places (as servers really are, even if they exist in cyberspace) is even worse then hearing parents swear. At least, when parents swear, it's most likely at home, where kids learn it's ok to do stuff you don't normally do or say. But in a public place, where you should be showing decorum....

I'm not saying things should be completly swear-free, like if a person Tk's you intentionally, yeah it's alright to say, "what the hell are you doing!?!" before starting a kick vote, but just today, I was on belgrade when I see some dude type, ":cussing: You fu*kin dumba$s, don't drive an APC if you don't know how, pu**y!:mad: ". And you call swearing mature:confused: ?

:shakehead:

Oh, and that "you're killing people" reasoning is Bull sh*t, you're pointing and clicking, so somebody yells and drops to the ground (without blood too).
It really is all in the imagining.....


If I had my way I'd ban that AOL shorthand garbage which has done more damage to children's ability to construct sentences than any curse word.

Well said. I cant stand when Im trying to talk to someone and they say something like.... " N E 1 going to da club with dem..." whatever i cant think of how those idiots talk right now, lol. You know what i mean though. Its like talking to a 3 year old.

On an off topic, I also think I have a good perspective on this matter as well. I got a computer later then my friends (wow in that sentance alone I typed out "comp" and "latr" before I looked at the screen :p ), only half a year ago, in fact. Before I got a computer, I always heard my friends gong "O M G POWNAGE NOOBS !!!!!!! YOU GOT POWNED BY MY LEET DEAGLE SKILLZ!!!......WAT?!? HAXXXX!! HOW'D U HEADSHOT ME WITH AN AWP LIKE, UBER-CLOSE LIKE THAT (I told him, you mean "point blank"? To which he replied " LIKE, WAT DA FUC IS THAT?") HUHUH, N P, ILL POWN U NXT ROUND! ROFFLE! (on a side note, I know that's not how you spell "pwn" or "rofl", I'm typing how it sounded, not how it's actually typed.)
Needless to say, before I got AIM, I understand less the 1/10 of it. (the "uber-close" part most likely)

Seriously, it sometimes sounds like I'm in an episode of Pure Pwnage. lol.

[I-AM-J3ST3R]

Can we all just f**king get along? :D

[so1id sn@ke]

Can we all just f**king get along? :D

Indeed! :laugh:

[Stinger911]

Curse words only offend people who want to be offended.

Racial slurs and hate speech are a different story since there are some very serious, often violent actions associated with those terms. Frankly, I find the widespread use of r-a-p-e to be far more offensive than someone yelling the "f-word" on a server, considering the implications of a real r-a-p-e.

I wonder, if your mother or sister or girlfriend or wife had to experience the real deal, would you use it so casually?

Whereas a word like sh1t - who cares? It means poop. Feces. Crap. Aside from there being a million synonyms that mean the exact same thing (and there are no meaningful associations), why in the world do people get worked up over one set of 4 letters but not another, like crap?

Because they want to. Honestly, one of the only reasons that we still have curse words is because we have curse words - the moment you make something not taboo is the moment that people stop using it like it matters. It only has as much power as you give it, friends.

Lots of people have figured it out, but a lot more still think it's naughty for me to tell you to go f**k yourself - even though I could probably tell you to go ram a road cone up your rectum and your beloved language filter would let me slide.

Bottom line... Curse words? Who cares. Hate speech? Ban.

This guy hit it on the head. You are the ones assigning the negative connotations to the words. They aren't evil by nature. You gave words meaning.

Wanna know where the F word originated? Middle Ages. Fornication Under Consent of the King. That's all it means. It doesn't mean "Anyone who uses this word is stupid and vulgar." YOU gave it that meaning arbitrarily. I see no reason a person should get kicked from a server for exclaiming something that inherently is not malicious in any way. If the person goes into a rant against another person or is racist, etc, sure give him the boot. But I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to say the "F" word every time I die if I so wanted to. I DON'T. I don't waste the effort typing most of the time. But I don't see why I shouldn't be able to.

Sticks and stones, gentlemen.

[Roger Smith]

im so sick of this crap. this is a game where u shoot people, admins should not have the right to have a swear filter. do you understand this, KILLING PEOPLE, SHOOTING THEM, STABBING THEM, BLOWING THEM UP!!!! im so sick of this crap, if i wanna express my anger over a death, there should be no problem with that. cussing should always be allowed in a game where you kill people, it goes with the territory. kids should play racing games or sports games.

[Dacster]

The fact that this is a game, makes no difference. You're visiting someone's "house" and if they do not talk like your peers in the arcades, it's not their issue, but yours.

Consider it training for your future career - learn to express yourself in a different way. Not everyone likes cursing.

If you find yourself incapable of expressing yourself without cursing, then consider the kicks and bans a free education - sooner or later you will have to learn to master the art of socializing with strangers in settings that you do not control.

Agreed 100%

[David Champion]

This is funny... people are upset that they are being banned for "typing" in chat, a swear word? Typing requires thought, albeit very little thought, but thought nonetheless...

Why in gods green earth would you want to physically type out a swear word? I'd just say it to myself and move on, people actually stop in game play to type out obscenities and then get upset and "say" the same words, outloud, when they are banned, because you can't type them now, because you are no longer able to, cuz' you just got booted/kicked/banned. :laugh:

Honestly half the time I don't even see text cuz' its moving across the screen so fast anyways cuz' so many are using the Como-Rose.

That's quite comical, just say it to yourself, remember its just a game and move on.

[The_Eliminator]

The real stupid thing about this game is the fact that the "children" are allowed to be exposed to a war game where you practice and train to kill people and better off knife them in the back. But yet they are not allowed to be exposed to a little blood and the occasional NOT swear word.

This game was created for a mature audience, and so mature audiences should play it, not little children whos mum's have said they can have the game and play it all they want. If the "children" have played this game then they must have played UT online and thats a whole lot worse than this game.

So basically train the kids to kill each other and knife each other but dont let them say anything bad about anyone! Give me a break

Swear words i can take
Rascism is out of the question.

[SCE_DarkNess]

It's because parent's don't raise their kids to have any respect for anyone else today. Yeah I know I'm only 22 but some of you would be suprised at my maturity (ready to get flamed now). Just ask yourself if you would want your kid learning that it's ok to say anything around anyone. Or better yet, ask yourself if OTHER people would want their kids learning that.
You got a good head on your shoulder kiddo.

[Scrylos]

Swearing doesn't offend anyone but morons, however, I do believe that only unintelligent people use swear words frequently. Do you really need to call somebody a b*tch or noob? Do you think it will help anything? You shouldn't be typing the F word in chat, you should be getting revenge on whatever killed you(unless you fell off a roof, then laugh at yourself.) Do the swearing in real-life.

To the people worried about their children learning swear words... don't send them to school.

[David Champion]

Swearing doesn't offend anyone but morons...


??!?!? :confused:

Swearing doesn't offend you in everyday things?

I'm not gonna walk into a restaurant and say "Hey, I'd like to F'jorking order some F'jorking steak." , they'll tell you to leave.

People typing swears in chat is mindless blather because they aren't thinking when they do it, cuz' if they did give it some thought, they wouldn't type it.

I'm saying it isn't necessary to type it at all, don't have nothing good to say don't say it at all... it's just out of control online because people don't care who they offend because they have no idea who you are or where you live so , who cares.

It's a never-ending cycle and it perpetuates... on and offline.

Not the last "Why'd I get kicked off a server for swearing" post we'll see thats for sure.

*Unsubscribes

[angelofdeath3131]

There is a simple explanation for this question. The reason why is because cursing is bad sportsmanship. If the server is clean of curse words that means everyone is playing at a mature level. Curse words are used when someone is mad or unable to have self control. It takes a mature person not to curse online. It in the end doesnt prove anything and only represents the falling of our intelligent/kind nation.

[Ozzy]

do you lot watch TV
do kids watch tv

if the awnser to both of those is yes then you should not be moaning about swearing on a WAR game

yes i understand and appreciate the oppinions about not swearing but do you really think that if you stop swaering on the servers it will stop kids learning the swear words the will just pick them up by watching TV or Movies therefore do not let the kids leave the house or watch tv or movies

and as for those of you who say they swaer themselfs stop being Hippocrates

But still if the server admin does not have the brain cappacity to accept swearing online and bans people for it they must have no freinds because most people on the planet at sometime during a day swear

TO solve this problem Go on a server that states OVER 18s ONLY

and if anyone complains about the languge on there tought luck because kids should not be on there and to be perfectly honest Kids should not be playing a game like this anyway because it is designed for a mature audience and if parents buy this game for their kid it is there own fault if the kid gets exposed to swearing

[LahLahSr]

Swearing doesn't offend anyone but morons...

I don't think we are on opposite sides on this topic, but I would like to "defend" the right to take exception to swearing. Not talking swearing that is racist or otherwise prejudiced against certain groups, just good old basic swearing.

BF2142 is a place where everyone is welcome. All ages, both genders, all nations, all skill levels, all types of upbringing etc. etc. It's almost like an international airport.

We all have circles of acquaintances, colleagues and friends.
In some circles swearing is a very integral part of the language and used in almost every sentence.
In others - probably "mainstream" - swearing is used in specific situations of heightened emotional stress: anger, sorrow, , pain etc.
In yet other circles, swearing is never used in public and is considered be a particularly violent outburst.

In this game, all these "communication-cultures" have to co-exist. The challenge in the game is that everything you say (type) as a player is forced upon another group of people that you don't necessarily know anything about.

Even the most angry, upset and rude person in real life, doesn't reach such a large grup of people in her/his communication. Most public places, such people would be removed if they sat there and cursed as loudly for everyone to hear.

Why? one may ask. While these social dynamics can be complex both to explain and understand, the bottom line remains the same: when you are among a large group of strangers in a public place, you just don't force yourself upon everyone else like that. Words is sound, but the same goes with smell - personal hygiene.

It comes from a mutual understanding that we all have an equal right to be in a certain place and everyone has to show some consideration of one another.


I'm not offended by a swear in and of itself, but I am offended when individuals decide to, without invitation, force me to have to deal with their idiosyncratic behavior. Someone being very lound in a movie-theatre, for example, is not an issue of "freedom of communication" - it's an issue of a severe lack of consideration. I try to be considerate of strangers in a public place - at the very least to a point where I make sure that I personally are not forcing myself upon them and interfere with what they are doing there - I don't yell in a church and I am clean enough that I don't bother anyone with a strong smell.

Bottom line to me is that I think it's legitimate to eventually become offended when in company with someone who is consistently being inconsiderate of others. Much the same way that it's legitimate to be appreciative of someone who is unusually considerate in their dealings with others. Someone holds the door for you, and you say thanks. Someone pushing their way ahead of you in the line and you get annoyed.

[Vreki]

and as for those of you who say they swaer themselfs stop being Hippocrates


Do you have any idea why this sentence made it difficult to take the rest serious? :rofl:

I wouldn't point it out if it was a simple spelling mistake, but you have managed to spell it correctly.

Btw. your argument is quite circular. We shouldn't stop children seeing swearing in games because they will pick it up in movies.

Of course then there is no point in stopping them from seeing it in movies, because they will just pick it up from games.:rolleyes:

I don't intend to let my kids watch movies rated above their age, and besides it is not only a matter of kids.

A lot of us don't like to see people spill verbal garbage on our screens. If you keep getting kicked from servers because of cursing, you might want to take the hint.

[Ozzy]

i have never been kicked for swearing i was just making a defence for swearing because of FREEDOM OF SPEECH
and the fact that CHILDREN should not play this game as it dipicts extreme violence
people being blown up, shot, stabbed etc sorts out that part

and if u find swearing offencive why do you play online because unfortunatly alot of gamers swear

[Roger Smith]

Swearing doesn't offend anyone but morons, however, I do believe that only unintelligent people use swear words frequently.both very true. ppl that are offended by swear words have a misconstruded perception of reality and live in fantasy world. on hte other hand ppl that swear constantly have a tiny vocabulary, im guilty of this.
Do you really need to call somebody a b*tch or noob?sure, if they are playing like one. although i mostly curse in text chat to show others im pissed off and frustrated, completly non hostile.
To the people worried about their children learning swear words... don't send them to school.amen
??!?!? :confused:

Swearing doesn't offend you in everyday things?

I'm not gonna walk into a restaurant and say "Hey, I'd like to F'jorking order some F'jorking steak." , they'll tell you to leave.
as long as its not hostile, i have no problem with it.
I'm saying it isn't necessary to type it at all, don't have nothing good to say don't say it at all... it's just out of control online because people don't care who they offend because they have no idea who you are or where you live so , who cares.i think the key here is that the large majority of people swear very infreaquently and its harmless. the people that make it a problem are called trollers and there goal is to make people mad. its like back in school when a kid would litter and then nobody in the class could eat anymore. its crap, this is war, cussing goes with the territory, theres no 2 ways about it.
BF2142 is a place where everyone is welcome. All ages, both genders, all nations, all skill levels, all types of upbringing etc. etc. It's almost like an international airport.im gonna have to stop u right there and point you to my original argument. KIDS SHOULD NOT PLAY VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES. ppl that arent kids and swearing hurts your "wittle-ears" omg, get over yourself, and get real, cursing is part of life, get out of your damn bubble.

[jtman23]

^You just proved beyond a doubt the exact point of my first post in this thread.

[directx10]

its kinda like a game server is not a public place, anyone can join, but if your having a conversation with some one on your team and you hit the say all ubtton instead of asay team, then its kinda like a cellphone in public, you hear one side of the story but not the other and then you hear something that is so absurd it makes you say out loud, "WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT" and then everybody stares at you and makes you feel akward, so that is why swearing is okay in games but not public

[Vreki]

i have never been kicked for swearing i was just making a defence for swearing because of FREEDOM OF SPEECH

Once again, there is no right to Freedom of Speech on a privately owned server. Or this forum for that matter.


and the fact that CHILDREN should not play this game as it dipicts extreme violence
people being blown up, shot, stabbed etc sorts out that part

Although small kids should not play this game, all this is virtual. And plenty of grown ups don't like cursing either.


and if u find swearing offencive why do you play online because unfortunatly alot of gamers swear

Actually you will find that a lot of online games have curse filters. And then we get threads where cursers complains about being kicked. So if you like to swear, why do you play online? would be a more relevant question.

So, do you still have no idea who Hippocrates was? :D

[-RDX-ACHILLES]

Everyone here has the right to curse all they want. You also have the right to yell fire in a public place. There is a price to pay in both instances. If you keep getting banned for cusing how many smacks does it take you to learn. Personnally I dont care what you say as long as its not racial. I can curse with the best of people I just choose not to do so in public. And like it or not this is a public area just the same as a park or shopping mall.

[LahLahSr]

...
im gonna have to stop u right there and point you to my original argument. KIDS SHOULD NOT PLAY VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES. ppl that arent kids and swearing hurts your "wittle-ears" omg, get over yourself, and get real, cursing is part of life, get out of your damn bubble.

I think you just marginalized yourself here - not establised any true reasoning why swearing should be allowed. "Get over yourself" is really not an argument. It's not about having sensitive ears, it's about having a certain minimum of courtesy and a certain minimum of standards. The bar can be set at many different levels, but not setting one will make communication deteriorate completely.

We can haggle about the details - some swears are more comomplace than others. Some are overly graphic and sexual in nature than even you curse-mongers (lol) would blush. There has to be a standard somewhere - if there is none, even you everyday-cursers would probably be uncomfortable.

Swearing is a PART of life, yes. For some unfortunate people, swearing is present in all parts of their lives. That doesn't mean that we should adjust to the least common denominator. You fail to realize, respect and appreciate other people's right to influence WHAT parts of their lives that should be swear-free.

What you feel about such people is irrelevant. Whether you think they are "pansies" or even "wittle-ears" is besides the point. The point is that you must arespect the house rules. These house rules are an extension of understanding that some server-owners fortunately have. They are gracious enough to prevent that the laguage doesn't deteriorate into a quagmire of obscene vulgarities. They do so because this is a public space.

And why isi ti that kids shouldn't play violent video-games. Comprehensive studies ahve shown that both violent and non-violent video gamers are good for the development. It has been established that there is no connection between playing games and violent behavior.

On the other hand, the social sciences have proven, that our language is heavily influenced by the peer-groups we spend a lot of time with. That's how dialiects evolve.

[Sir. Tasty]

To be honest us kids probaberly swear more than the older guys here , But there is only warnings for violence and 16+ , no swearing , its not meant to be part of the game but still its pretty anoying some times.

[Skaarlaw]

16+ Game... surely everyone who's legally allowed to buy... and most likely play the game would not give a monkeys if you swore once in a while... IMO language rules are only to stop: Abuse of other players, The Politically Correct people out there where everything has to go by the politically correct book, and the mommies out there that QQ at animal abuse...

sorry if i've insulted you by saying this but it is purely my own thoughts and i will edit/delete if needs be... and btw this disclaimer is only here for political correctness... and to keep on peoples good side :) Disclaimers are always small and hard to see :)

[vbl]

16+ Game... surely everyone who's legally allowed to buy... and most likely play the game would not give a monkeys if you swore once in a while... IMO language rules are only to stop: Abuse of other players, The Politically Correct people out there where everything has to go by the politically correct book, and the mommies out there that QQ at animal abuse...

Animal abuse is never funny.

[Vreki]

16+ Game... surely everyone who's legally allowed to buy... and most likely play the game would not give a monkeys if you swore once in a while...

Hasnt this thread already proved you wrong with regard to this? People do care.


IMO language rules are only to stop: Abuse of other players, The Politically Correct people out there where everything has to go by the politically correct book, and the mommies out there that QQ at animal abuse...


To my knowledge, not cursing and PC are to different things. PC usually means taking offence of words that have been in public use for long, and substituting new PC words. e.g. handi-abled instead of handicapped.
The curse words have never been public acceptable.

And I hate animal abusers:mad: What is it about it that you find funny?

[Vikaman]

AFAIK, language does not exist. It is created, but the flow words and meanings belong to the individual.

[Deesies]

I always find it funny how I can make fun of the french, just as long as I don't use any naughty words :P

[RYKUU]

i would be carfull curseing on other servers
if its your own it dosnt matter

[di di MAU]

yesterday I got BANNED from a server just for writing the word "fuk" in the chat which was the unintentionally mispelled word for "funk". Now my question is why is there such a big fuzz about curse words??? you get banned for saying what everyone knows what they mean and IMO don't take the offensive meaning of it.
Man nobody dies from reading a couple of ****,****,crap,etc.... :rolleyes:

i don't know if anybody already said this yet but...
funk you man... funk you. lol.

[goldennova]

It's because parent's don't raise their kids to have any respect for anyone else today. Yeah I know I'm only 22 but some of you would be suprised at my maturity (ready to get flamed now). Just ask yourself if you would want your kid learning that it's ok to say anything around anyone. Or better yet, ask yourself if OTHER people would want their kids learning that.

This is a game in which you shoot other people. If you are playing a shooting game you are obviously old enough to know what curses are. If you are too young to use words such as **** or **** or especially **** then you shouldn't be playing these types of games in the first place.

[LahLahSr]

That may be so, but it's not at all relevant to the discussion of whether cursing should be allowed or a kickable/bannable offense.

It's simple - server owners are fortunately decent enough to have some sense of the need of common courtesy and manners. Appropriately, those who are so dense and have so little impulse-control that they can't stop swearing, get the boot.

A good solution that the decent folk applaud. The rest...well, they don't really matter in that equation.

End of story.

[Vreki]

AFAIK, language does not exist. It is created, but the flow words and meanings belong to the individual.

That would make languages rather useless for actually communicating, wouldn't it?

You can speak slang and dialects among your own group, but when you are in a international community, standard English is the way to go. And in standard English cursing is an insult, not a filler word.

Besides in my younger days I was taught that the written language is much more restricted than the spoken.

On this forums you can see people making the mistake of writing like they speak, stream of consciousness, no formatting and not bothering to spellcheck.
They are rarely taken serious, and often not read at all.

[jtman23]

This is a game in which you shoot other people. If you are playing a shooting game you are obviously old enough to know what curses are. If you are too young to use words such as **** or **** or especially **** then you shouldn't be playing these types of games in the first place.

If you are too immature to control yourself in a public situation with no regard to respect for other people then there should be no problem with kicking/banning. The people that DO the kicking/banning are the people with the job of trying to uphold a respectable atmosphere, and also have a respect for that atmosphere. 99% of the time the 12 year old that lets out a string of curse words has heard it somewhere else, and percieved it as "cool." That is exactly the problem I'm talking about, not specifically in-game, but in general.

[RYKUU]

Animal abuse is never funny.

you are so correct i dont even animal abuse/creulty as a joke

[Venomous]

Oh yes of course this makes sense, killing people is good but saying little words is bad

[jtman23]

Oh yes of course this makes sense, killing people is good but saying little words is bad

Tell me how many times you have actually killed someone by playing a video game.

[vbl]

Tell me how many times you have actually killed someone by playing a video game.

Tell me when the word sh1t has hurt anyone in any way.

[jtman23]

Tell me when the word sh1t has hurt anyone in any way.

I never said "hurt." I said "disrespect."

[Lord_Valid]

Swear words are for people that dont know how to use proper english, i also enjoy Fragging :ar15: cronic swear monkeys

Digging your knife into another mans skull in a game is for people who doesnt know how to use a spoon to eat?

I just had to, cheers ;)

[so1id sn@ke]

My thoughts: If you don't have enough respect for other people on the server to not swear every other word, if you really don't give a f*ck about others, then why should the server owners give a f*ck about you? They're right to kick people like you.:rolleyes:

You get the same amount of respect you give.

Simple as that.

[goldennova]

If you are too immature to control yourself in a public situation with no regard to respect for other people then there should be no problem with kicking/banning. The people that DO the kicking/banning are the people with the job of trying to uphold a respectable atmosphere, and also have a respect for that atmosphere. 99% of the time the 12 year old that lets out a string of curse words has heard it somewhere else, and percieved it as "cool." That is exactly the problem I'm talking about, not specifically in-game, but in general.

I am not talking about people who let loose long lines of cursing. I am not one who types in-game anyway, but I am just saying that the argument that " little kids shouldn't hear these words" is completely useless. I never curse online unless its something exteremly crazy like my whole team gets killed when 2 air vehicles explode. that is the onl time I actually say "****, that was insane". Other than that cursing is pointless really, but it certainly shouldn't be banned.

[LahLahSr]

...but I am just saying that the argument that " little kids shouldn't hear these words" is completely useless. ...

Why is that, exactly? The argument that "kids shouldn't be playing this game anyway" doesn't legitimize cursing. Just because the parental control of said children is..lacking..doesn't give anyone the right to ignore their presence and be any less considerate.

That being said - now that you've qualified your position somewhat - I am also in favor of some sort of "balance".

The built-in language filters are pretty crude and you can accidently "swear" because of a mistype - one letter omitted and you can be saying something that will make sailors blush..lol. Because of that - and especially if this "no swearing" is not announced on the server screen, it's fair to at least give a warning or two first and, if ignored, a kick for a minute or two with the explanation. Bans should only be placed upon those who are flagrantly disregarding the rules.

[Ezekiel]

its a bloody 16+ plus game, so swearing should be allowed, theres swearing in 15+ films, at the end of the day if you dont want your kids to see these words, then dont get a game for a kid who is too young to play it

[Razzia]

there is even is some serious swearing in 12+ movies (rating in europe)

so i dont get the whine if u say f*ck ingame, who cares, like 10 year olds dont know the word :/

[Ezekiel]

^^ Bingo

[Rockstar606]

people make it seem like its a violent game. you shoot people and dust flies out, theres no blood, hence the 8 year olds playing

[Ezekiel]

i know but it says 16+ on the case, thats my point, if you're letting your kids play a game that, they are (apparently) too young for, then you should be expected to see swear words etc

[Stinger911]

and as for those of you who say they swaer themselfs stop being Hippocrates



I admire the philosophy of Hippocrates. He's right up there with Socrates and Aristotle.

[Vreki]

I admire the philosophy of Hippocrates. He's right up there with Socrates and Aristotle.

But wasn't Socrates executed for "corrupting the youth"?
He probably cursed to much in BF 442 BC :D

[so1id sn@ke]

:laugh2:

That was a good one, props.

But actually, I think we're talking more about Hippocrates instead of Socrates.

Still, nice one.

[Elementalist]

The rules are there to limit the potential for abuse and to gain a lower rating - simple as that.

If you want to have a discussion about the ethics of censorship, then fine:

A large section of parents are lazy, useless, good-for-nothing idiots and entertainment media has to be censored to the lowest common denominator so it can't be accused of offending. A parent should take the time to explain to their young-adult children (or whatever you call them) that 'bad language' has its place and where and when is appropriate.

Expletives are weird - there is no good reason that a common term for excrement should be offensive, yet, perhaps since some people are squeamish they find the concept of excrement distasteful, so mentioning it, especially in a 'common' way makes them uncomfortable and making someone uncomfortable when it can be avoided is rude and, so, we apply conventions and rules to stop people (especially kids) from being rude.

The thing that bothers me about swearing is that people use it without thought and knowingly use it with the intention to shock and offend. Swearing has legitmate use when you wish to make your emotional state clear by making quick, blunt and frank comment about something, but most of the time people use it simply to be rude and just show themselves up as stupid and offensive.

Anyway - it doesn't really take much thought to appreciate way it is necessary to have swearing rules the same as any other censorship rules. It's like having blood in the game - I've got nothing against seeing bloodshed, but it's just not missed in this game, so why have it when it does bother some people?

It's consideration for others, innit? It's very easy NOT to swear with even limited intellectual capacity...

[Badboris_uk]

Its "Janet Jackson's nipple" syndrome.

Why on earth is someones tit so offensive that:

a) She has to make a tearful apology to the nation the next day
b) The network gets fined millions (not complianing about this bit)
c) There is a massive furore over it in the media in the USA for about a month

Seriously, so her tit flopped out and was watched by about a billion people worldwide. Its no reason to run around flapping your arms for the 'corrupted youth' - young girls don't need to see tits, and young guys spend most of thier time trying to do just that.

Its the same with people being over-tetchy about swearing; Its there, everyone knows it is there, but by putting a thin veneer of hypocrisy* over it, we can be secure in our middle-class ness and pour scorn upon everything that would not be allowed to be done in a church. Our anglo-american culture is becoming very peverse now, when we can sanitise violence in a computer game by not having blood or swearing on one hand, yet routinely show the effects of suicide bombings on primetime news because it serves the political agenda of alienating ourselves from fellow human beings who don't have the same skin colour as ourselves.

* Definition of hypocrisy in this case is people screaming bloody murder about someones tit being shown in an interval to a major sporting event.... Full of cheerleaders and a lingerie bowl - also at half time.

[Elementalist]

Actually, the 'Janet Jackon's nipple' example is very appropriate. Sure, people took it too far, but Janet's tearful apology is ridiculous (and hippocritical) since it was so obviously an intentional shock, publicity stunt.

Ignoring for the moment how silly you or I might think the rules are, they are there for good reason - a LOT of people, including young kids, watch the Superbowl, so for the usual reasons of not wanting to offend a lot of people (even a small proportion of the viewers is still a lot of people) quite strict censorship rules are there. Ms Jackson intentionally and unnecessarily broke the rules and I back the enormous fine, whoever got it (whoever was legally responsible), because of the flagrant disregard.

Taking the point of Janet Jackson's nipple or swearing it's like any other rule. Society deems it offensive because a large enough proportion of that society deem it offensive and we are all nice enough to not want to upset people aren't we, especially when it's something we really do not need to do.

I look at it like this - if you went to a foreign country where a lot of the people find it offensive to display the soles of your feet (there is one - can't remember which) you would find it very easy to keep from doing that and IMHO it would just display great ignorance and weakness of character to not restrain yourself, but you can bet some people would do it on purpose or refuse to restrict their personal right to show the soles of their feet.

You don't need to swear - people on BF2142 are strangers to you and you don't know if swearing will offend them or not - if you swear you are unnecessarily risking offending people. Simple as that. In my perhaps-not-so-humble opinion, if you unnecesarily risk offending people you are simply making yourself look rude and stupid. Those banging on about 'freedom of speech' need to read up on what freedom is all about - you'll find that it doesn't involve doing what you want at the expense of the rights of others. That's just called selfishness.

[Col.Krust]

whoever runs a server may enforce rules such as that, as they see fit.

in common society people don't enjoy profanity being uttered about them heedlessly.

its not a question of whether a 10 year old knows the word. Its a question of people not want to hear 10 year olds using the word, or anyone else for that matter.

The point of the game is to engage in simulated warfare...not to engage in profanity. its not a stretch to imagine that some might like to play the game without people speaking as if they are in a prison or a barracks (having spent some time in prison).

[LahLahSr]

Hippocrates and Hypocrisy has absolutely nothing to do with each other..lol.


Some reading for you uneducated louts! LOL

1) Hippocrates of Cos (c. 460 BC–380 BC) was an Ancient Greek physician, commonly regarded as one of the most outstanding figures in medicine of all time; he has been called the father of medicine. He was a physician from the so called medical school of Kos. Writings attributed to him (Corpus hippocraticum, or "Hippocratic writings") rejected the superstition and magic of primitive "medicine" and laid the foundations of medicine as a branch of science.

The Hippocratic writings introduced patient confidentiality, which is still in use today. This was under the Hippocratic Oath and other treatises, which meant that people were to record their findings and methods used, to be passed down.

Other Hippocratic writings associated personality traits with the relative abundance of the four humours in the body: phlegm, yellow bile, black bile, and blood, and was a major influence on Galen and later on medieval medicine.

2) Hypocrisy is the act of pretending to have beliefs, virtues and feelings that one does not truly possess. The word derives from the late Latin hypocrisis and Greek hupokrisis both meaning play-acting or pretence.

A classic example of a hypocritical act is to denounce another for carrying out some action whilst carrying out the same action oneself.

Cognitive scientist Keith Stanovich has made a career out of studying hypocrisy. He sees it as arising out of an incompatibility with desires such self interest and desires and higher order beliefs in morality and virtue. The only people who are not hypocrites are the tiny and perhaps non-existent minority who are so saintly they never give into baser instincts and the larger group who never try to live by principles of morality or virtue. He thus argues that hypocrites are in fact the nobler class of people. Fran�ois duc de la Rochefoucauld had centuries earlier phrased a similar opinion when he stated that "hypocrisy is the homage vice pays to virtue."

The term hypocrisy is also commonly used (some would say misused) in a way which would be more specifically termed a double standard. An example would be when one honestly believes that one group of individuals should be held to a different set of morals than another group.



.kids these days...<sigh>

[Relmar]

Did anyone else read the title of this thread in the voice of Seinfeld?

[TheCheeZe]

Im too lazy to read all 15 pages...
Just to add to them, I got warned for saying "wtf" and I didn't even say "what the f***". Theres a reason why that was made...to get around these stupid foul language things.

[Soduka]

Great....it's time to make new ones. Guess we have to start cycling every 5 years or something...

[Maj.Damage]

WTF is so bad with WTF?
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/skareo/wtf.jpg

[jtman23]

The rules are there to limit the potential for abuse and to gain a lower rating - simple as that.

If you want to have a discussion about the ethics of censorship, then fine:

A large section of parents are lazy, useless, good-for-nothing idiots and entertainment media has to be censored to the lowest common denominator so it can't be accused of offending. A parent should take the time to explain to their young-adult children (or whatever you call them) that 'bad language' has its place and where and when is appropriate.

Expletives are weird - there is no good reason that a common term for excrement should be offensive, yet, perhaps since some people are squeamish they find the concept of excrement distasteful, so mentioning it, especially in a 'common' way makes them uncomfortable and making someone uncomfortable when it can be avoided is rude and, so, we apply conventions and rules to stop people (especially kids) from being rude.

The thing that bothers me about swearing is that people use it without thought and knowingly use it with the intention to shock and offend. Swearing has legitmate use when you wish to make your emotional state clear by making quick, blunt and frank comment about something, but most of the time people use it simply to be rude and just show themselves up as stupid and offensive.

Anyway - it doesn't really take much thought to appreciate way it is necessary to have swearing rules the same as any other censorship rules. It's like having blood in the game - I've got nothing against seeing bloodshed, but it's just not missed in this game, so why have it when it does bother some people?

It's consideration for others, innit? It's very easy NOT to swear with even limited intellectual capacity...


Well said. I am in complete agreement with this ^