Drone surfing glitch abuse or tactic

[-Baf-Carlit9s]

Just wondering noticed 2 guys yesterday on our server (BAF server) using a drone to reach certain levels.

I kicked (for one round) them as I was certain that this falls under the header of glitch abuse but I´m also curious to see what other people think about this.

[Sneaky Assassin]

I can't see anything wrong with it, if it wasn't meant to be, then they would of made it so you can't stand on it, it's only like surfing the UAV.

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

I'm curious to hear opinions as well.

When I see people do it on our server I just ignore it b/c they can't steer themselves or go anywhere but straight up in the air. I figure they'll have to come straight back down sooner or later.

[angelofdeath3131]

Technically it is a glitch. And any glitch is considered cheating. If using a glitch to get into a wall gets you erased then glitching to hover on that thing should get you eresed. There should be no fine line in between whats wrong and whats not. If glitches are bad then this is no different than the transport glitch. People always pick and choose whats wrong with the glitches. The designers never expected people to do this no more than they expects people to go through the titan crates so they should honor there rules and follow through with what they say.

[Sneaky Assassin]

Of course the designers meant for us to try it out! Humans will try anything even if your not suppose too (remember the "your not supposed to be here" sign in GTA3), if it's on the map someone will try to ride it, fly it, shoot it or hump it!

[-Baf-Carlit9s]

Well generally you can use the spawnbeacon to get on top of certain buildings. But a sniper might be able to abuse this. That is why I only kicked them for one round as I wasn´t certain if this was abuse or not. You got to give it to them it is crafty. I use my drone continuously and never thought of doing it.

I´m sorry I didn´t get a screenshot but on whole different matter a couple of days ago I banned a person for floating out of a titan and he wasn´t using a drone.

[The 13th Raptor]

Glitch abuse.

If it allows them acces to rooftops or places you cant normally go, same goes with beacons. I wouldn't allow it myself.

[DunNa]

Well generally you can use the spawnbeacon to get on top of certain buildings. But a sniper might be able to abuse this. That is why I only kicked them for one round as I wasn´t certain if this was abuse or not. You got to give it to them it is crafty. I use my drone continuously and never thought of doing it.

Well it never stops really (the drone that is) so its not really abusable in that since not to mention your constantly considered moving iirc so your scope would be about as wide as my sisters *** :\

Its main use is a quick and easy get ontop of roof/titan/whatever. Generally it works with two people. Person1 (the SL) uses the drone to get ontop of the roof he then has person2 (a squad member) spawn on him with a beacon in his kit and suicide. The SL grabs the kit and deploys the breacon. This method is very fast if you have two people working together way faster than using beacons/pod spinning...

I'm personnally siding with the "its less than legit" stance.

[Talus]

...since SLSBs can be used in a similar way, it doesn't bother me.

[Deesies]

I guess it's one of those things that are up to the admins.

I mean dice temselves has given the ok on using spawn beacons to get on top of roofs so using this to get up there should be no different.

However, it's definately not being used as intended so it's up to the admins :)

[The Auriga]

Glitch abuse.

If it allows them acces to rooftops or places you cant normally go, same goes with beacons. I wouldn't allow it myself.

But well placed spawn beacons allow you to go on any roof top, and if you can walk on it then then I don't see why not you shouldn't be allowed to go there.

Anyway, they should concentrate on the more serious bugs. Like falling through titans and the like. A lone sniper up on a roof isn't going to ruin anyones fun. But if you see them doing with it the drone don't hesitate to warn them. You can't be too sure once they are up there though. I've been kicked for podding onto roofs from APCs. Legitimate strategy if you ask me.

[-Baf-Carlit9s]

Well I understand the whole APC podding and SLSB on roof but a drone isn´t meant to be used as an elevator its meant as support for the SL and SM´s.

And why you got kicked for podding onto a roof that is beyond me.

I guess I´m just hoping a EA admin will catch wind of this and give his/her opinion.

[Vikaman]

I'm curious to hear opinions as well.

When I see people do it on our server I just ignore it b/c they can't steer themselves or go anywhere but straight up in the air. I figure they'll have to come straight back down sooner or later.

ACtually you dont go back down completely.

While free falling, you can steer ureself (VERY VERY little), the higher you go, the easier it is to et to buildings on berlin etc.

Its an exploit to get there, but DIce made it that way, no extra points are involved.

So i would agree with it.

[Phenomenomenon]

...since SLSBs can be used in a similar way, it doesn't bother me.

I'm in agreement.

Who cares. It's not game breaking. Providing access to the top of a building is a far cry from being inside of the game geometry unable to be shot.

You think the devs didn't know about this? Come on. Has anyone from dice officially said anything on the matter? I suspect they did know about it.

I swear some of you people just can't take having choices in a game.

You cry glitch and cheap and whore at every god damn thing in the game until all the choices and diversity of game play is gone. Should we just all line up and face off in firing lines like the old days?

[*FMJ*Birdsht]

We allow all forms of boosting. No lame combat rules on our servers. Its war defend yourself.

[Buttoneer]

Glitch or legitimate tactic? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6269613.stm)

All's fair in love and war, right?

I'd say that in reality they would seek to make this little toy strong enough to be used creatively so why not in the game? If anything, I reckon BF2142 is not forward thinking enough with it's technology and the ability of it.

Heavy armour which slows you down? I don't think so.

[The_Eliminator]

This is quite off topic but this really saddened me to see that this act of huge heroism from his fellow comrades that took them into the heart of battle and risked their lives to save one of their own even though the outcome was tragic, it got set to about page 7 in the newspaper because the front page was Big Brother, i mean who really gives a **** about c class celebs who think they actually do something great everyday?

It just shows what society has levelled to.

[Medic_503]

You are walking down the street and found 20 bucks. Looking around to see if anyone is in the area actively searching for something, you put it in your pocket. A month later, you are arrested for stealing that 20 dollars. It appears someone took a picture of you putting the money in your pocket and sent the picture to the police. The police argue that the person who lost the money didn't anticipate loosing it and it is your responsibility to immediately report the 20 dollars to the police and never again speak about finding money on the ground. Because if you do, you are an abominable criminal and should be banned from walking down the street. You should also have your bank account wiped since you probably have stolen money in there too. Ridiculous as that analogy is, it is very close to what is going on here. Before I get flamed, I don’t glitch or hack or look for ways to gain unnatural advantages over other players (except for "pwning" with the Pilum). I don’t even like the game anymore so I really don’t care who I piss off. It’s too buggy and too easy to rank up, but that is another thread. EA and DICE are to blame for all of the glitches. If they aren't proactive enough in their quality control to search for areas that are prone to be abused, then they should have no gripe when 12 year olds find these weak points in the game and exploits them. If anything gets wiped, it should be the lazy *** employees paycheck for not thinking "Duh, if they switch seats in the transport above the Titan, they will get alot of points." It is so ridiculous that the makers and regulators of this game are so quick to blame players for exploiting glitches that they made possible by not double checking their work. So don’t give me any crap about "We didn’t anticipate players surfing, therefore if they surf, they get their stats wiped." Either fix the issue that is allowing them to surf or stop b*tching about them doing it. And finally, if I can use the thing to get on a roof, you can do the same thing and stab me in the back. Its not like the tactic requires a cheat program or any editing of the game.

[Kraxis]

I'm not certain, but I think I saw a post some time ago where the podding to buildings was ok, but the Otus-ride was deemed a glitch abuse.

Personally I think that is wrong. I like when people think outside the box and do something new (that doesn't change the game itself). I would personally ride the Otus if I had it and wasn't insecure about it's status.

[MouseNo4]

What i see here is people whining about even the slightest bit of play that might, just might, be considered hacking, cheating, glitching, hell even unsportsmanlike.

When will it end?

I can see someone getting kicked because he killed someone when they were out of ammo - with the admin crying NOT FAIR PLAY!

It will be to the point where everything must be 50-50 completely fair 100% of the time.

"You cant bring your walker near this base as we dont have one to make a fair fight."

"Stop sniping us with the sniper rifle as we dont have any snipers to be able to fight a fair fight against you."

Sheesh.

[Rouglead]

OK look at halo using grenade jumps was put into the game for the players to use, so the drone was used like this, you cant be recon when doing it, so its not a glitch its just a thing the makers put in

[[MyIS]DAD_23]

We allow all forms of boosting. No lame combat rules on our servers. Its war defend yourself.
I must say that is a PimP EddIe attitude!!
Love IT!!
FMJ servers FTW!

So people are up on rooftops, so what! Shoot them down or get up there yourself and take them on.
I have been on rooftops many times and would welcome another squad up on another rooftop to battle with.

Rooftops was one of the great things about Special Forces, it made the battle multiple levels. Having to keep your focus not only on the field around you but above you as well.

[Killerus]

glitch. its recon drone not a free ride to the stars.

[ColonelPanic]

Glitch abuse.

If it allows them acces to rooftops or places you cant normally go, same goes with beacons. I wouldn't allow it myself.

Ah, ya, right. Then it's OK by that logic. You can get on any roof with the transport so you can normally get there. So what does it matter how you got there?

The only time/mode it is maybe not acceptable is in conquest where there are no air vehicles to allow you access to roof tops normally. In conquest I think it should be a kickable offense but not in titan mode.

[WanderingZephyr]

I think it's different from the Squad Leader Beacon thing.

Steering and using the Squad Leader beacon is kind of an extension of it's original use. It isn't what it was directly intended for, but they left in the ability to do some steering of the thing, and made it so you don't come down directly in the same spot each time (leaving the door open to just accidently get places with it).

The drones though, I'm pretty sure their intention with them was not to be used as a platform (since they're a gun turrets and pulse meters, essentially). So it is pretty far outside of it's intended use, in my eyes--although they could have just made it so you could pass right through the object, and the fact that they didn't leaves it open to question as to whether or not the possibility of jumping on one was in someone's mind, I guess.

But in both those cases, I don't see it as a particularly bad thing. Rooftop campers can be annoying and a pain to dislodge, but rooftop battles can be terribly amusing to me. And I haven't even seen many people use the drone to get onto rooftops, since it is so much harder to move than just a regular old drop pod.

So it seems more of an inane elevator to nowhere. Not exactly interesting, or any real tactic that gives anyone much of an edge. So I really don't care either way for it.

[Aegis001]

It would be a larger problem if parachutes moved horizontally, but they dont, so it isnt a problem

Just saw what Zarious put, now that is a problem

[Zarious]

It would be a larger problem if parachutes moved horizontally, but they dont, so it isnt a problem

Did you watch the video?

Hehe just saw your edit my bad.

[Aegis001]

Ya i edited it!!!!

[-Baf-Carlit9s]

Zarious I have to agree with you on that one. In that manner it is used as an exploit and not an extended use of the drone. As for server admins I think its a call they have to make to allow it or not. Atleast put it up on the server rules (as if anybody ever reads those!).

[Chasepwner]

I don't see what's wrong with it... it was fun the one time I did it.

Oh and when you say "if you can do it they intended it blah blah" that is wrong because they aren't going to think of every possibility for every object in the game.

[WanderingZephyr]

After seeing the video posted by Zarious, I retract my previous opinion.

Not so inane if it can be used like that to show up anywhere on a map.

[fshy94]

After seeing the video posted by Zarious, I retract my previous opinion.

Not so inane if it can be used like that to show up anywhere on a map.

I concur. Used like that, it becomes minorly insane. BFROE? What have you got to say about this?

[=S= HappyGilmore]

We allow all forms of boosting. No lame combat rules on our servers. Its war defend yourself.


Here Here to that!!

Same here on the WARZONE's, if you want to waste time getting on a building go ahead. If we want to get you off the roof nothing stops another squad from going up there to clear you off.

To mirror Birdsht, Its war defend yourself! Nice one..

[BahamutZ3RO]

I use the Otus as a magic carpet all the time, it's very handy for sneaking up on rooftop camping asses, especially since most of them don't know wtf is going on.

[Kraxis]

After seeing the video posted by Zarious, I retract my previous opinion.

Not so inane if it can be used like that to show up anywhere on a map.

I also retract my oppinon. I now think it is something that should be at the very least controlled. Meaning admins should notice if players do it like in that vid. But I still like it as a little elevator... Never done it though.

[I-AM-J3ST3R]

I don't see it as a glitch either...

[The_Eliminator]

The thing i would find really funny is when SM's try to spawn on him only to have them drop to the ground in a matter of seconds.

Although i have seen this exploited many times i once saw a pyramid on top of the drone of 3 players, 2 prone on the bottom and one on the top each with LMG's almost impossible to evade.

[RYKUU]

i have never seen this before

[DunNa]

The idea that "oh we can beacon pod up there to so its ok" is bogus. With "smart" use of the drone you can get to places its IMPOSSIBLE to beacon onto. I don't exactly want to prove this/show you this basicly because it would spread it, but simply understand thats its more than possible. I will give you some hints at there being some really nifty "titan glitchs" with it though :)

Seriously though its capable of doing some seriously un-intended stuff beyond lawl I are king of the berlin roof lawl!

[ShotgunSoul]

Just give me a weapon in the next booster/expansion to kill the roof campers, or get a competent sl to get us to the building across from them.

[MouseNo4]

Well i never thought you could move like that when falling.

[The 13th Raptor]

I don't see what's wrong with it... it was fun the one time I did it.

It's wrong because it cannot be stopped, its really that simple, and is as much of an exploit as glitching into a building and firing out while you cannot be hurt is.

you can stop people.
you can stop people in buggies.

But this cannot be stopped, and thus wrong.

[Soduka]

Oh good, another controversy that will make Dice remove something else fun from the game.


Keep it up! There are still plenty of other things you need to destroy. Should be able to get to them in the next 2-3 patches if you make a big scene.

[I am RKO]

You can get on high buildings with it, when people without the drone cant, so it's an exploit.

[The 13th Raptor]

Oh good, another controversy that will make Dice remove something else fun from the game.


Keep it up! There are still plenty of other things you need to destroy. Should be able to get to them in the next 2-3 patches if you make a big scene.

Did you even watch the video? No sane person can condone usage of the drone like _that_.

I know most voss/lmg adrenaline junkies couln't care less if they lose all the back flags and get raped from two sides by TWO walkers, while still trying to camp the uncap, but i do care. And spending time defending against back flag rushers is very boring and not rewarding.. but needed. This exploit makes ANY defence useless, gg sploitmonkeys.

[-Baf-Carlit9s]

Ofcourse, this isn´t meant to take the fun out of the game as some people stated that is why I´ve tried to open a good discussion on this subject to see what the general opinion is.

I think I would have a good time drone surfing but as pointed out with the movie posted earlier it can be abused so I still think its upto the server admin to decide if it should be allowed or not as with certain critical battles it can give you an unfair advantage.

Personally I´d have more fun running into action then flying my drone into the sky.

[Buttoneer]

Who's leaving the back flags unguarded anyway? Too busy spawnraping the beach to take a look?

You can never be complacent in this game and if it isn't a guy floating off an Otus then it's a recon with camo, especially after its 1.1 upgrade. There should always be a squad willing and able to defend the backflags.

[finc.hairy]

We allow all forms of boosting. No lame combat rules on our servers. Its war defend yourself.

hear hear!!

I allow it on my server. In fact, I encourage it! Ever see a troop of guys climb up to the stars and then skydive together? Gotta keep finding ways to make the game interesting!

[CyborgSPIKE]

yeh im a new guy wotev. kewl site. this whole surfing thing sounds like its nuting moer then fun. theres no way u cood snipe from it, too high and too movingable. besided, u can just use titan pod jump to get anywhere these days.

[Buttoneer]

besided, u can just use titan pod jump to get anywhere these days.

You tried this on Camp Gib then....?

[Kraxis]

Who's leaving the back flags unguarded anyway? Too busy spawnraping the beach to take a look?

You can never be complacent in this game and if it isn't a guy floating off an Otus then it's a recon with camo, especially after its 1.1 upgrade. There should always be a squad willing and able to defend the backflags.

Well, if you want to be in on the excitement and points (but the first is more important than the latter) then you will not hang back with a squad of six people to defend the backflag.

Further, what if the Otus-rider decides to take one of the other flags? You rush there to be confronted by him and his entie squad in an entrenched position.
You simply can't stop them unless you have a squad at each flag, which means the remaining enemies can waltz all over the frontlines and you lose inevitably, while at the same time getting nothing from this (neither fun nor points).

A cammoguy can be spotted by observant people and Supports with NetBat, so if one gets by, then it is because the team wasn't good enough. And often Toll Station has a few defenders willing to defend it, so they are likely to pick up any stragglers that make it past the Harborbattle.

This however requires impossible numbers of defenders spaced out everywhere. People who are willing to sacrifice fun for a chance at victory. Would you personally really spend the entire battle running around in the back if the battle never goes beyond the Harbor-Toll Station stalemate? I seriously doubt you would waste a lot of time like that.

[Buttoneer]

Strategically, anyone capping a back flag ought to be going for the one whaich will net them the best result, in this case a walker and enemy commander assets within RDX-tossing distance. But yes, it could be anywhere.

If you're going to discuss how a camoguy can be caught if you're lucky then you could also say that the Otus rider could be spotted by a sniper overlooking the gantry or, more importantly, by a commander doing a sweep.

[Kraxis]

Generally cammo isn't about luck.

I often try it initially when I'm PAC. I make it fiarly far in often enough, but there is always one guy that spots me when it gets important. Sometimes I cap a flag, sometimes I don't. And I pay the price with my weaponloadout.

But at least I am not so far up into the sky that I am truly invisible. Nor can I travel the entire length of the battlefield cammoed. And I can get caught for a vastly longer period of time on the sat-scan because I have to run. Most of te time the Otus-rider is up there he is still going to show as being in his own spawnarea. The time he spends diving is significantly less time than a satscan needs to recharge. So where I am certain to be spotted while cammoed if the commander uses the satscan, the Otus-rider needs to be unlucky to get caught on the way down. Besides even if he gets caught, the scan doesn't update the position of people, so when the commander tries to spot him he is already too far away for that. The only thing the commander knows is that an enemy is behind the lines. He doesn't know where or how fast he is moving...

[BrotherWill]

It's wrong because it cannot be stopped, its really that simple, and is as much of an exploit as glitching into a building and firing out while you cannot be hurt is.

you can stop people.
you can stop people in buggies.

But this cannot be stopped, and thus wrong.
Uhhh..dont know about you, but if he can shoot me I can shoot him. I love to sit on Berlin and snipe or assault rocket guys to death who think they got the most invunerable spot on a roof. If anything hes screwing his team because as long as hes up there he cant cap flags or silos.

You can get on high buildings with it, when people without the drone cant, so it's an exploit.So by this logic, if I have an Otus unlock I can see you coming thru walls and if you dont then Im exploiting? How about if I have the zoom item on the sniper rifle and you dont and I can snipe you way before you see me? Am I still exploiting? Just because someone has the ability to do something you can't does not mean its an exploit. I am not trying to defend Otus abuse, but I just think your reasoning is a bit flawed here. I would argue that the Otus anti-grav should not be powerful enough to lift a human body, something that could be easily written into the game. Make it so if you stand on it, it doesnt go anywhere and just sits there on the ground.

[The 13th Raptor]

The roof acces in places like berlin is one thing, those people are easily sniped, even though i don't aprove of the practice.

But the flying across the map is another, and im FIERCELY against this practise, because it renders any kind of defence... useless. And since it cannot be stopped, it's wrong.

[BahamutZ3RO]

Hopefully, DICE will see things like this and do something to stop 1) podding onto rooftops and 2) Otus-surfing. Until it's stopped, I'm going to use it because it's really the only way to counter those tactics.

[Revoluti0n]

Last time I cheked, the UAV was NOT a vehicle. Just because something is possible does not mean it's a good idea. I'm sure that you can comfortably fit your arm up to your shoulder in a wood chipper, but that does not mean you should do it....
Just wondering noticed 2 guys yesterday on our server (BAF server) using a drone to reach certain levels.

I kicked (for one round) them as I was certain that this falls under the header of glitch abuse but I´m also curious to see what other people think about this.

Agreed...

[Wizrdwarts]

You can get on high buildings with it, when people without the drone cant, so it's an exploit.

You can get on rooftops with the beacon too, but the "skydiving acroos the map with otus" needs to be fixed.

Would it really be that hard to code in a height limit for the drones? (Oh wait, we're talking about EA. :( )

[Snuffy The Evil]

It sounds perfectly legimate to me. (Riding the UAV). They can't control where they're going, and they can be shot down in seconds, so it's balanced, and fair.

Getting onto rooftops with the drone I think is fair too, since it would only take someone switching to a sniper rifle and getting in a well-placed shot, or someone else using the drone to take out the squad.

Now, drifting towards the enemy base and capping it a minute into the round like explained before, that is an exploit, and should not be allowed.

People can use the drone, but not to excess, if you know what I mean. :)

[The 13th Raptor]

Have you guys watched the video posted earlier in this thread? Tell me how one can kill such a player without being in the mainbase itself as an enemy?And they can control where they are going while they skydive.. there is no practical counter to this, that's why it is and should be classified an exploit by ROE.

Edit: reading posts ftw:P

[mattyboi]

In my eyes its an exploit, and i'll kick anyone from my server for doing it, im sure DICE know about it and it will be fixed in a future patch.

[« R²» HKS]

After seeing the posted video its a glitch and people using it are glitching. Enuf said?

[CarbonFire]

OR, DICE could just make the drones unridable. Its not like the spawn beacon can't get you up to roofs already, and I don't think anyone is advocating drone riding for any other reason at this point. Either make the drone not drop when you EMP it, or make it explode when you stand on it, or SOMETHING. Because there is duplicate functionality with another item in the game, theres 0 reason to allow this exploit to continue.

[*FMJ*Power]

does it add a new element of fun to the game? yes


are the players that get on a roof even a factor or invinsable? no


can anyone do it? yes


seriously, theres nothing wrong with it, i swear so many people want to cry about stuff rather than over come the hardships of life, its a game and the guys that get on the roof tops pretty much remove themselves as a factor in the game, get 6 guys on a roof and your team looses, every single time. you certainly wont see dice nerfing anything anymore, those days are over, collin already said nothing is going to be nerfed.


that video was a lucky shot, that guy had to stay on that drone forever witch he edited out and he was just lucky it happened to drift forward when it got high, usually they drift back or off to the side taking you out of bounds, very rarely will it drift forward like that.

[Bommando]

It's glitching, plain and simple. People getting onto rooftops don't really bother me. You can get them off with rockets or an orbital strike. Getting from one side of the map to another when the purpose of the map is to assault through a variety of chokepoints is exploiting a tool for that which it was not intended.

If every SL on both teams ended up just skydiving around the map, it would make for a stupid round of flag-hopping. The conquest maps were designed with an objective in mind. I just prefer to play to that objective using the tools as they were intended.

Just because you don't endorse glitching and decide to make a rule about it doesn't mean anyone's shedding tears. Games have rules, just like sports. Some servers have rules, some don't. There are servers out there for everyone. If you like glitching and don't mind others doing it, you play on a server where few rules are enforced.

By the way Power, there is a difference between a nerf and fixing a glitch. I believe the game is very balanced and it is unlikely that DICE will reduce the efficacy of the vehicles or weaponry. This is not a case of the drone being overpowered, this is a case of the physics of the drone being exploited for an unintended use. Whether or not they fix this, it's an important distinction to make.

[TheMentalic]

Its an exploit plain and simple. I doubt any developer ever thought of it, don't think there that creative! It took Months for it show up in servers, its plain cheese.
If it was intended there would be a anti-grav surfboard unlock!

[Biotech2142]

The drone thing is using the SLB to reach high places like many ppl do in Berlin map?

If yes, then that is cheap but not a glitch and should be fixed. Anyways, a commander can get rid of those with ease.

The RDX jump trick when FF is off is what needs a serious tweak.

[Kraxis]

does it add a new element of fun to the game? yes


are the players that get on a roof even a factor or invinsable? no


can anyone do it? yes


seriously, theres nothing wrong with it, i swear so many people want to cry about stuff rather than over come the hardships of life, its a game and the guys that get on the roof tops pretty much remove themselves as a factor in the game, get 6 guys on a roof and your team looses, every single time. you certainly wont see dice nerfing anything anymore, those days are over, collin already said nothing is going to be nerfed.
Anyone can't do it... SLs can do it, and those SMs that are part of a squad where the SL does it.
But that is not really anything I think is important.

Power, I don't think the majority of people are against using the Otus to get on top of buildings. As you said there are benefits and weaknesses by doing it. And nobody is impervious it seems (though nading from the rooftop can be pretty nasty).

However when it comes to flying across the map because you rode your Otus hundreds of meters into the air, then it becomes an issue worth addressing. There is simply no viable counter to this... That that makes for bad gameplay in FPS games. Well, games in general.
While not all things and weapons should be equal, there should be viable solutions to everything. They might not be terribly attractive (such as going Engy on Gib or Cerbere), but they are still very viable. It is not viable to place two-three guys at every flag behind the front to counter a single guy going Superman and flying across the map. There is a reason there is neither Transports, Gunships or AA on the citymaps. People are meant to be confined to the ground (that includes the rooftops in my oppinion).

[DANK]

Yah I saw some guy the first time do that to get up to one of the buildings or sky dive I guess from what I hear now.

Another time I was the only one who got through and sprinted to take the enemy's home flag; sure enough this guy just shows up at the end of the map all of a sudden and knifes their commander.
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Maybe there is a way the stats system can detect whether they exploited it and it is common sense to not use that.

[ShotgunSoul]

Surprised nobody mentioned kill the drone yet. That's a funny way to die.

Maybe DICE should intro gunships/AA into Berlin, Belgrade and Gib maps in the next patch.

Drone surfing from 30,000 feet sounds worse than RDX rocket jumping, although on FMJ West when they had Suez in the rotation I got annoyed by snipers using C4 to perch themselves on those metal palm tree looking towers or above the EU fortress on the west end of the map. Unless you have decent air cover that listens to orders, those guys are hard to clean out.

It's an argument that can go either way. Yes, you can whack the offending team in MOST cases, it's just a real pain to do so as it takes some practice to get a squad leader up to snuff on riding the drone, undetected, to blast back at the offending party with a spawn beacon of your own. But then again, for all those times being backlogged at the start of Gib or Berlin as PAC, it reopens the interest in the game.

[Ized]

Just my 2 cents. Using SLB Beacon to get to roof is quite different than being able to fly from one end of the map to another. Judging from the linked youtube video, this is an exploit. If I was admin on a server, I would kick people for doing this.

[« R²» HKS]

Anybody remember sky walking in BFV, in fact you use to be able to do it in BF2 not to the same extent as you could in BFV. They both got patched out. Therefore DICE considered it an exploit/glitch and it was never intended. In BFV you could fly high in the air then sky walk from 1 end of the map to another. In fact fly high enough you could sky walk to one of the map and back to the other end of the map.

As its portrayed in the video its a glitch. We are not talking about getting onto 3 story building here we are talking about traversing from one end of the map to another. Its a glitch and if you use a glitch you are glitching. Its against the ROE but not only that its against fair play.

[*FMJ*Power]

heres the thing though, if they were to patch this out they would have to patch the pods too. if people only knew how easy it was to open your control console and crank your mouse sensitivity just for a second while podding you can pretty much pod all the way across the map by spinning the pod, same concept behind using the SB to get on a roof by spinning as you pod in and we all know dice doesn't have a problem with that.

its a very sketchy subject, i think its fair enough to fall under the house rules section and there certainly wouldn't be anything wrong with a server owner not allowing it but myself i would let it happen in game, i dont see a major advantage besides getting a flag far in the back but in all honesty that guy in that video got lucky his drone drifted forward , thats not usually how it goes.

[Buttoneer]

but in all honesty that guy in that video got lucky his drone drifted forward , thats not usually how it goes.

No but even if it hadn;t he would still have managed to get a good long way across the map from his jump.

Don;t get me wrong, I agree with you. This is legit as far as game mechanics is concerned. I'm not even certain how you would police it as it isn't easy to spot unless you catch the player doing it when he's within fog range.

[Kraxis]

Well, a heightlimit on citymaps would be a solution. There is hardly any need for an unlimited sky since there are no aircrafts. So a little more than the highest building would be enough.

That should let people get ontop of buildings while not allowing them to fly across the map.

[m7kf83sf92]

Lol. I wait till they're a decent distance up and then BOOM! I shoot the drone. The suprised person plummets down towards their doom (ie. me with a stick of RDX ;) )

[Buttoneer]

How many times you done that then? Exactly.

[Older-OMO]

ame concept behind using the SB to get on a roof by spinning as you pod in and we all know dice doesn't have a problem with that.



If you get to know the mechanics of the SB, you never need to spin to get to a roof (assuming the beacon is reasonably close to the building you are trying to get to). This way it isn't left to chance. I see many people trying, but end up on the wrong side of a wall (OB) or far from their intended target.

[BahamutZ3RO]

Should have seen what I did a while back. EMP'd the SL's Otus as he got into a jeep and hopped onto it. That was crazy, lmao.

[Kraxis]

Should have seen what I did a while back. EMP'd the SL's Otus as he got into a jeep and hopped onto it. That was crazy, lmao.

Crazy surfing I suppose?

[SonicPixel]

The way it is portrayed in the vid shows it to be a glitch. However, this vid is not the norm: don't expect to see this each match. I believe that this needs to be fixed within the game mechanics and not through banning/kicking. There's enough of this going on.


Does it add some excitement to the game? Yes.
Does it give extra-ordinary advantage? No.
Can it be counteracted by coordinated defense? Yes.


Come on guys, this is war: adapt and overcome. We need fewer rules and more strategies. This type of innovative thinking with the drone is what wins battles!

[SonicPixel]

The way it is portrayed in the vid shows it to be a glitch. However, this vid is not the norm: don't expect to see this each match. I believe that this needs to be fixed within the game mechanics and not through banning/kicking. There's enough of this going on.


Does it add some excitement to the game? Yes.
Does it give extra-ordinary advantage? No.
Can it be counteracted by coordinated defense? Yes.


Come on guys, this is war: adapt and overcome. We need fewer rules and more strategies. This type of innovative thinking with the drone is what wins battles!

[The_Eliminator]

you posted the same post over a space of 7 minutes, how the **** did that happen lol?

[fshy94]

Must have REAAAAL bad internet...lol...

[imported_dr-nick-au]

ppl whinge to much about the battlefields series - post bfv. :evil: don't nerf it DICE, don't listen to the n00bs.

by the time you get the top a squad leader could have already driven to ruins and run to the back flag and capped it, becoz every1 is too busy camping harbour and racking up points.

GG FMJ +1 to your server :D

[Kraxis]

ppl whinge to much about the battlefields series - post bfv. :evil: don't nerf it DICE, don't listen to the n00bs.

by the time you get the top a squad leader could have already driven to ruins and run to the back flag and capped it, becoz every1 is too busy camping harbour and racking up points.

GG FMJ +1 to your server :D

Yeah... could...

See, if the defending team is bright, and that happens, then a few guys are usually holding Toll Station against the FAV-rush. The FAV-rush almost always happens so they are certain to get a few kills. And even a single Recon can bust up that rush by placing his APMs in strategic locations, killing the driver and gunner of the FAV...

So if a FAV makes it through, then that is all good and dandy. The defenders didn't do their job. But if the FAVs were killed, then the Otus-rider would become 'the-FAV-that-can't-be-killed' and take any base beyond Toll Station.

Just because something has the ability to do it, doesn't make actions such as this redundant or useless.

Again I propose the heightlimit. That way the Otus can bring people to roofs but not send them flying across the map.