RDX abuse on FF-disabled servers. [Archive]

Xoir

01-23-2007, 03:56 AM

vbl

01-23-2007, 04:01 AM

FF off for ya.

Firestorm9527

01-23-2007, 04:01 AM

I consider it pretty stupid. How is it realistic at all that you die, but the enemy goes bouncing around the room like a pinball. The only thing you can do about it is not play on FF disabled servers. I try my best not to.

The 13th Raptor

01-23-2007, 04:02 AM

It's generally frowned upon, as is careless and random APM spam, usually done by the same type of people who do the rdx thing. I do think FF should only keep team-mates safe and not the player themselves, it would at least make them pay a little for their easy kills.

But yeah, like said before.. avoid FF off servers, it causes poor gameplay and shows the server admin is a little.. off.

whitehunter

01-23-2007, 04:04 AM

i like FF off cause its harder to tk people and yes i am a RDX and apm mine noob

Weyoun

01-23-2007, 04:36 AM

I truely dispise those bunnyhopping-RDX-spammer. Every once in a while you attack the titan and one of those guys comes pinballing from behind into your group, dropping his "presents" and then....big bada-boooom. Of course it is a pleasure for me to give him a taste of clark 15b in his stupid face, but it doesn't work always :rolleyes: .

Anyhow: rdx-ing hallways and such on your own titan should hurt its shield. Sames goes for nade-spamming the whole time ;) (imho)

Drevor

01-23-2007, 05:17 AM

I do think FF should only keep team-mates safe and not the player themselves, it would at least make them pay a little for their easy kills. Yeah after all its "Friendly Fire 'off'" not "Suicide 'off'" ... but unfortunately this thought will go the inevitable way of all good ideas ... drain, waste basket, shredder, eaten by a 18 feet tall gorilla ... something like that ...

SpLiTz

01-23-2007, 06:03 AM

Can't the friendly mine damage be altered from the friendly fire off in the server config?

This setup results in FF=on and friendly mines go off on friendlies.
sv.soldierFriendlyFire 100
sv.vehicleFriendlyFire 100
sv.soldierSplashFriendlyFire 100
sv.vehicleSplashFriendlyFire 100
sv.friendlyFireWithMines 1

So can you turn all those 100's into 0's and Mines still keep as 1 and then you get rid of randomly placed mines, etc.?

Drevor

01-23-2007, 06:13 AM

well .. would the server still be ranked if you toy around in there?

Vikaman

01-23-2007, 06:57 AM

FF off servers should not be ranked. Nuff said.

But thats just my opinion.

LahLahSr

01-23-2007, 06:59 AM

Anyhow: rdx-ing hallways and such on your own titan should hurt its shield. Sames goes for nade-spamming the whole time ;) (imho)

Uhm..nobody is using RDX or nades BEFORE the shield is already down :rolleyes:

Saundie

01-23-2007, 07:05 AM

I will admit, I got pissed off with a few kids doing this on some servers I play on, so I used some spare unlocks on RDX + APMs and did it back to them. They soon stopped when they saw how piss annoying it is.

Vikaman

01-23-2007, 07:06 AM

He probably meant reactor core or the metal and plastic that the titan is made of..

{Sn][per}Farva

01-23-2007, 07:06 AM

well .. would the server still be ranked if you toy around in there?

yes it will stay ranked. we use cortex which creates a new config each time the server is restarted based on the settings you choose in the admin panel. the way it was explained to us by the devs at insomnia365 is that if it was an option that can't be changed due to ranked status they wouldn't offer it to us as a selectable option. if we as their client screw around with ranked servers it would jeopardize their ability to host ranked boxes. when they locked down our box back for bf2 it took away our remote desktop ability to the server. so the stuff you can't access are the core server files and anything to do with ranks. the configs are fair game pretty much...if you can set it by changing it in the config file then its a setting permissible on a ranked server.

WarGimp

01-23-2007, 07:15 AM

This is one of the reasons I try to avoid FF off servers as much as possible.
That and I've got this snobby old-school attitude that turning FF is for noobs.
*shrug*

Xoir

01-23-2007, 07:15 AM

FF off servers should not be ranked. Nuff said.

But thats just my opinion.

I'd be all for that.

RavenRealms

01-23-2007, 08:34 AM

Vikaman

01-23-2007, 08:46 AM

We have FF-off on our server, due to the fact that when attacking a titan, you put RDX on the console/core, and NONE OF YOUR TEAM move out the way for you to blow it.

That's why i have it turned off.

Not being a critic and offending ure server, but make up a rule, if you have an active admin, put a rule saying that eople who DO NOT move away from the core while there are RDX's will not get their stats registered and kicked etc etc.

its basic teamplay and gameplay.

But thats IMO.

But I dont care if i get TK's in the titan (thats why i have 450 TK's already)

Weyoun

01-23-2007, 08:50 AM

Uhm..nobody is using RDX or nades BEFORE the shield is already down :rolleyes:

Sorry if I didn't made myself clear enough....I didn't meant the shields but the hull ( <- spelling?). Can be a bit confusing sometimes to write in a foreign language without using the brain.exe :-)

Vikaman

01-23-2007, 09:00 AM

HAHA, good one, brain.exe... HHAah

Bommando

01-23-2007, 09:23 AM

Yep, FF OFF servers are noob factories for the most part. You do get some good players hanging around, but the vast majority are bunny hopping RDX frisbee throwers. Hey, if you like that sort of thing, then good luck to you. It's just not my bag. I prefer tactical movement, teamwork and fire discipline, which doesn't involve steaming into the middle of a group of enemies like a human bomb.

finc.hairy

01-23-2007, 09:34 AM

yo yo relax people, it's a friggin video game! It's not meant to be realistic! Take a chill pill. Enjoy the C4 jumping and the fact that you're not getting punished for a TK when your transport lands on your team when they jump out just before you land. It's all in good fun. If you can't beat em, join em!

I turned FF off because I was sick of all these porkers stay and watch you put RDX on consoles and cores and then punish TK at the critical moment. Or they punish TK during the sexfest that is the titan battles. Or they TK you one stupid way after another. The punish TK system is flawed and it's stupid people that often ruin a good thing because they take an accident as a deliberate attack on their person.

So rather that give admins to everyone whom I think is cool, I just turn off FF. And sure, there's some things that shouldn't happen. But seriously, the game is full of bugs and glitches already, so just take the FF off as another fun way to enjoy the fact that we're all frustrated beta testers anyway!

As a general rule - if you're seriously offended by it, make sure you check the server info tab before you join the server so you can see if FF is on or not. And for the record, my server "finc.ca ranked o rly?" ...FF is off.

Sneaky Assassin

01-23-2007, 09:46 AM

I don't mind it, it gets annoying sometimes when (I have only seen 1 person do this and they are nearly at top of leaderboard) they pod in and instantly blow the rdx (I'm talking instant, pod lands then explosion no gap between noise of pod landing and explosion) every one else you can see them hopping around at you, sprint away, jump and spin round you'll get them most of the time.

directx10

01-23-2007, 11:40 AM

IMO i think that FF off means you cant hurt your team, that RDX should still hurt you though

Trippet

01-23-2007, 02:37 PM

I turned FF off because I was sick of all these porkers stay and watch you put RDX on consoles and cores and then punish TK at the critical moment. Or they punish TK during the sexfest that is the titan battles. Or they TK you one stupid way after another. The punish TK system is flawed and it's stupid people that often ruin a good thing because they take an accident as a deliberate attack on their person.

As a server admin, can't you turn FF On and turn TK Punish Off (just like turning Vote-Kicking Off)?

stilla-killa

01-23-2007, 03:00 PM

I love playing on servers with FF off, in fact i only play on ones with it turned off b/c im a apm and rdx whore especially when it comes to guarding the consoles. I put one apm mine at the entrance and one a few feet down and then a rdx pack right in front of the glass. If they make it past my apm mines i guarantee they wont make it past my rdx b/c im wating them the whole time on the other side of the glass.

Chris_Redfield

01-23-2007, 03:06 PM

LOL...

You know what I find thats even funnier? How the fark can a group of people even get one hopper close enough for him to drop the RDX! Sounds to me like a case of bad situational awareness coupled with an overdose of whineage...

ELI

01-23-2007, 03:34 PM

I like FF off servers for the reason of people not moving away form the core when you RDX it. I lost 40 points the other night while blowing the core because people were just standing around like they're waiting for the whistle to blow at quitting time.

*FMJ*Birdsht

01-23-2007, 03:35 PM

The 13th Raptor

01-23-2007, 03:35 PM

TB-303

01-23-2007, 04:04 PM

You've probably seen it before:

A Recon guy runs into a group of people, throws down RDX (hopping the whole way) and detonates them. Usually he'll die soon after, but his explosives don't harm him! I think it's cheesy as hell.

Is this generally frowned upon or a fair practice?

Is there any way we could look into changing something to prevent it? I don't mind servers with FF enabled, it's just that seeing this kind of play is irritating.

Our server is a FF off server, and yes there's always a bit of RDX abuse. However, look at it this way. Firstly, (almost) anything is better than stupid TK's and getting punished for accidental TK's. It's 'cheesy' as you say, but at least you don't get punished by every idiot in the reactor core when they won't let you 'spode your RDX. Secondly, even though it's bit of an advantage, it's an advantage that both sides have.

To be honest, I don't have a problem with it and don't actually often see RDX spammers. In the end, it's worth it for not being blown up by team mates APM's that they've carefully hidded (that little skull 'n' crossbonse doesn't always show up, one of those bugs that apparently doesn't exist).

Anyway, you can still get hurt from your own RDX, especially if you don't deploy your 'chute on the way down.

Compared to the ballache of the punish system, it's trivial. Our servers about having fun (unless you consider cheating, exploiting, camping uncaps etc.. as fun) and FF off is more fun all round than FF on.

finc.hairy

01-23-2007, 07:22 PM

Our server is a FF off server, and yes there's always a bit of RDX abuse. However, look at it this way. Firstly, (almost) anything is better than stupid TK's and getting punished for accidental TK's. It's 'cheesy' as you say, but at least you don't get punished by every idiot in the reactor core when they won't let you 'spode your RDX. Secondly, even though it's bit of an advantage, it's an advantage that both sides have.

To be honest, I don't have a problem with it and don't actually often see RDX spammers. In the end, it's worth it for not being blown up by team mates APM's that they've carefully hidded (that little skull 'n' crossbonse doesn't always show up, one of those bugs that apparently doesn't exist).

Anyway, you can still get hurt from your own RDX, especially if you don't deploy your 'chute on the way down.

Compared to the ballache of the punish system, it's trivial. Our servers about having fun (unless you consider cheating, exploiting, camping uncaps etc.. as fun) and FF off is more fun all round than FF on.

hear hear! That too sums it up.

And no in the CC -- the only option for TK punish is to have it enabled to default so you automatically get punished for TKs or to have it on user decide - so you decide. Since neither option works, really....turning FF off is the only real solution.

And it's totally trivial. Props to everyone that runs FF off servers.

The only thing I don't like is that I can't TK my clan mates. And that my friends is the most amazing thing ever. Especially when your clan mate is on teamspeak with you!!!

Chris_Redfield

01-23-2007, 08:59 PM

Active cammo/buggies and chaos of war for the lose, get offa the high horse sir.

Challenge should be a part of the game. Turn off your music, listen to the sounds of war and stop rushing into action because your mind is blocked and youre experiencing gaming tunnel vision.

Gameplay situational awareness.

Jesus Christ... you are blaming CHAOS OF WAR for giving the opponent one easier step at you. Isnt seeking advantages and moments of opportunity, what creating advantages over another, all about?

ThePuppy

01-23-2007, 10:03 PM

k first off, of course it's "unrealistic" for a guy to send 5 guys bouncing around the room with his rdx while he remains unscathed... but in ff off servers... you can also pour your whole Ganz clip into your fellow teamates head without him experincing so much as a headache....

that said I would be what you guys might call and rdx careless apm spammer.. but in truth I don't I have an effective method to my madness and it is easily countered.

firstly there are only four places my apms go on the titan (no it's never the vents... I feel this is a glitch that should be fixed) I won't say where but they are fairly hidden to the average noob concerned with sprinting down to get the consoles/reactor.

my rdx only goes in two places, i'm not saying where but I put them in very specific places... now say a squad of six comes by with expert medics and gets through my bobby traps on their way to the core with minimal damage.. I know good and well that neither my lambert or my grenades are a sure fire way to take down six men with an extremely alert medic or two.. or three... so I get dirty. come up behind them (no bunnyhopping as that just gets you noticed... casual walking works the best believe it or not) toss my 3 remaining demos and sprint out of there.. this process (the "rdx spam") will take about 10 seconds to accomplish..

but before you call me names notice one thing... I run away. I don't kill myself and I don't abuse ff off... so in my case what would you say I'm doing wrong? I'm playing fair.. you would have plenty of time to shoot me. if you notice me that is.

my point is i guess i just don't see whats wrong with it.. don't like the rdx abuse.. simply don't play on ff off servers. I personally have about 7 ff on servers in my faves and those are the only ones I play on

idk.. i'm not trying to start an arguement, to each his own, but that's all my point of view

The 13th Raptor

01-23-2007, 10:08 PM

Challenge should be a part of the game. Turn off your music, listen to the sounds of war and stop rushing into action because your mind is blocked and youre experiencing gaming tunnel vision.

Gameplay situational awareness.

Jesus Christ... you are blaming CHAOS OF WAR for giving the opponent one easier step at you. Isnt seeking advantages and moments of opportunity, what creating advantages over another, all about?

Whatever man, you are blaming people for not managing to kill rdx spammers before they detonate, i'm simply telling you why this is not viable in the actual game. There is no time.

Fakkamajakka

01-23-2007, 10:23 PM

I just wish that they'd give you more info when you are entering a server. FF=ON means more than one thing. Sometimes it means the APMs blow up when your team-mates walk over them, sometimes it doesn't. As far as I can tell, there's no way to know unless you play FF=OFF, then you know for sure.

APM's blowing up your team-mates means the APM's are useless on that server.

Chris_Redfield

01-23-2007, 10:24 PM

Whatever man, you are blaming people for not managing to kill rdx spammers before they detonate, i'm simply telling you why this is not viable in the actual game. There is no time.

LOL, Im not going to even start here. This is way too ridiculous.

First theres people calling FF OFF servers for amateurs, then you say its too hard to take them out/ theres no time to deal with them.

Sorry man, this just doesnt hold water.

The 13th Raptor

01-23-2007, 10:56 PM

LOL, Im not going to even start here. This is way too ridiculous.

First theres people calling FF OFF servers for amateurs, then you say its too hard to take them out/ theres no time to deal with them.

Sorry man, this just doesnt hold water.

The time it takes to aquire and eliminate a target that perhaps exposes himself half a second before the rdx chucking begins at sprinting speeds is too long, and in the crowded area's these guys operate don't make for easy aquiring in the first place (while hopping). So yeah, there tends to be no time to kill them before they nuke the place in my experience.

Chris_Redfield

01-23-2007, 11:11 PM

The time it takes to aquire and eliminate a target that perhaps exposes himself half a second before the rdx chucking begins at sprinting speeds is too long, and in the crowded area's these guys operate don't make for easy aquiring in the first place (while hopping). So yeah, there tends to be no time to kill them before they nuke the place in my experience.

I will not argue that. However, wouldnt you agree that it takes a lot more skill and situational awareness to deal with them? Its not like they are hacking, and they arent really 100% invisible either. All they are doing, is making use of their advantage, and your disadvantage.

It doesnt take any less skill from their part, its just an alternate engagement method. However, it does take a lot of adaption from YOUR part, as you have to deal with unconventional engagement method.

Takes less skill? No.

The 13th Raptor

01-23-2007, 11:22 PM

Chris_Redfield

01-23-2007, 11:31 PM

I don't agree, it would take alot more skill to kill 5 guys with a gun than it would be to hop around the group dropping rdx and detonating. If it wasn't easier people wouldnt be doing it, they would jump in there with a gun.. but oh wait, that would get them killed before getting to kill #2 in all likelyhood.

You dont take 5 guys down with a gun because that would be stupid. You engage them with the best method with the least exposure and damage to yourself. This is where grenades come in. Another explosive easy to use. Ban FFOFF servers and lable them as amateur nests because of that too?

I have said it before and I will say it again- any group which will let a hopping (even camoed) recon player near them to detonate them, deserves their fate.

The 13th Raptor

01-23-2007, 11:50 PM

it's stupid because you'd probably fail and die, it's too hard, with rdx it's alot easier, which is why people choose to do it. It's effective and alot easier, too effective in my opinion and in my personal opinion i find it to be poor gameplay and mechanics.

Anyway, it's not a question of "deserving", it just happens because of the nature of the game.

*FMJ*Power

01-24-2007, 12:03 AM

I will not argue that. However, wouldnt you agree that it takes a lot more skill and situational awareness to deal with them? Its not like they are hacking, and they arent really 100% invisible either. All they are doing, is making use of their advantage, and your disadvantage.

It doesnt take any less skill from their part, its just an alternate engagement method. However, it does take a lot of adaption from YOUR part, as you have to deal with unconventional engagement method.

Takes less skill? No.

couldnt of said it any better, kudos!!!

for the haters..............

here....CATCH!!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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FF off servers have been around since bf1942, just dont visit them if you dont like nonstop action.