I realize something about assault

[bman427]

You know what I think the voss is better at long range and short range

[The 13th Raptor]

And all you could come up with is this when you posted? Well sheesh..

Anyway, you are wrong, i'm pretty sure the krylov and bauer beat it at long range.

[Dr_Zyklon]

only because the krylov has almost no recoil or deviation and baur is just very powerful, 3 or 4 shots are ur a goner

[vbl]

Krylov > Voss > Baur > SCAR

Overall.

[bman427]

Wait which kit has the krylov. But I have both of the Baur and Voss, but it seems like the voss always win at long range to, because it automatic and always hits whatever you shoot it.

[vbl]

Wait which kit has the krylov. But I have both of the Baur and Voss, but it seems like the voss always win at long range to, because it automatic and always hits whatever you shoot it.

The Krylov is the PAC default AR, and it's the best rifle in the game.

[RYKUU]

thats why the pac rule the EU

[BahamutZ3RO]

I gotta admit, I think the PAC rifle is best. Wish I could unlock that thing and use it EU side. : (

[Vikaman]

Krylov> Baur > voss > Scar for long range

Easy usage = Voss> Krylov > Scar > Baur/

[pandadude]

Do you reckon Krylov is better in close quarters as well i.e. titan? I will use the Krylov over the Voss in a normal game any day, but when it comes to titan combat, I find the Voss' larger magazine very useful.

[Vikaman]

Yes, the 40 clip can be a life saver.

[mrsnype]

I find the Voss and Krylov to be equally as effective but you need two different gamestyles to use them to their full potential. The larger 40 round clip gives the Voss the advantage. However the Krylov has a normal damage of 27 and a min deviation of 0.46, while the Voss has a normal damage of 25 and a min deviation of 0.48. This makes the Krylov a better rifle, but the larger clip makes the Voss my favorite

[Badboris_uk]

Voss is my favourite. main gun for up close, rifle rockets for long range, grenades for standoffs.

very good combination.

I do like using the baur with the herzog shotgun though, the 2 complement each other nicely.

[Sneaky Assassin]

Voss is my favourite. main gun for up close, rifle rockets for long range, grenades for standoffs.

very good combination.

I do like using the baur with the herzog shotgun though, the 2 complement each other nicely.

They are both good combo's but I hardly ever use the baur+shotty. But with voss and rockets You don't need long range rifle. Once you set distance on target, get the angle right you can knock snipers out at long range.

I find myself regularly hunting for long range kills with my Rockets, I quite like bombarding the titan top to take out defends from my titan if they are close enough

[MouseNo4]

One amusing thing about the krylov, scar and baur is that i rarely get killed by them. Yet people will pray to the gods saying that these weapons are the leetness on the battlefield. I get killed FAR more often by the voss, lambert and the shuko/bianchi.

I am not saying this to bloat my ego, but rather state the truth. If these weapons were sooo good, then why do i rarely get killed but them?

Clearly some people have never heard of evidence to back up their claims.

http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/5481/voss3mv.th.jpg (http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voss3mv.jpg)

[natasbotox]

I just checked and the weapon I am killed most with is the Lambert for some reason (452 deaths) second most is the Voss (390 deaths) and third the SD-8 Accipiter.... (just kidding) :)

[Sneaky Assassin]

Yep lambert takes me out the most as well, followed by Voss (by 1 death over the shuko LMG)

[MouseNo4]

So where is the krylov or the baur - the gods of the weapon world - in all this??

[Parsaw]

I just think both stock Assault weapons freakin' rock anyones face.

[[MIA] crimsonand]

One amusing thing about the krylov, scar and baur is that i rarely get killed by them. Yet people will pray to the gods saying that these weapons are the leetness on the battlefield. I get killed FAR more often by the voss, lambert and the shuko/bianchi.

I am not saying this to bloat my ego, but rather state the truth. If these weapons were sooo good, then why do i rarely get killed but them?

Clearly some people have never heard of evidence to back up their claims.

http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/5481/voss3mv.th.jpg (http://img335.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voss3mv.jpg)

now thats the truth

[AboveAndBeyond]

The Baur is by far the most difficult to use and therefore the one of the most maligned of the Assault rifle group. It seems like recently alot of people that attack or defend TITANS are using the recon kit more becuase of the effectiveness of the RDX/APMLambert combo in both these situations. Therefore, I have personally noted a rise in the number of deaths I have had to the Lambert as of late. Two months ago, the Voss lead my "you have been killed by" category, but now the Lambert has surpassed it. Personally, the Baur leads my gun kills by a 4:1 margin over my 2nd best killer the Lambert, but having said this about half of my 218 Baur kills on my new soldier are from PK-rockets. The Baur/PK rocket and the Lambert/RDX/APM are two of my favorite loadouts for Titan defense, which is what my squad does best. Specifically answering the questions concerning the Baur, I perfer it over the Voss for a few reasons. I like the knockdown power of each bullet coupled with semi-auto mode at 30m+ ranges and the accuracy of this tactic. Second, I really like the power at close range (15m or less) since I can go full auto and not worry about the viscous recoil too much. Third, I have come to truly appreciate the extremely quick reload time of the Baur and have personally found this to offset the small clip capacity. For those that say the Voss has enough ammo to engage a full squad, well, if they don't have you killed by the time you shoot all 40 bullets they were noobs anyway and I would have had time to reload the Baur or throw a frag to accomplish the same job. Do not take this mean that I feel the Voss is junk because it is a very dangerous foe ,as are many weapons in this game, but the Baur just fits my style. I just have adapted to the pitfalls that accompany the meanest (at both ends) assualt rifle in the game. There are so many effective weapons and tactics in Bf2142 which seems to suit the various traits of this gaming community, which is one of the reasons I love this game so much. Every class has a niche that is so much fun to play that sometimes at the start of a game I trouble deciding what to be. To me this is a great sign of a well-balanced game. So, I feel grab whatever kit you like and have fun, because they all are great in some way:)

[fshy94]

The Baur is by far the most difficult to use and therefore the one of the most maligned of the Assault rifle group. It seems like recently alot of people that attack or defend TITANS are using the recon kit more becuase of the effectiveness of the RDX/APMLambert combo in both these situations. Therefore, I have personally noted a rise in the number of deaths I have had to the Lambert as of late. Two months ago, the Voss lead my "you have been killed by" category, but now the Lambert has surpassed it. Personally, the Baur leads my gun kills by a 4:1 margin over my 2nd best killer the Lambert, but having said this about half of my 218 Baur kills on my new soldier are from PK-rockets. The Baur/PK rocket and the Lambert/RDX/APM are two of my favorite loadouts for Titan defense, which is what my squad does best. Specifically answering the questions concerning the Baur, I perfer it over the Voss for a few reasons. I like the knockdown power of each bullet coupled with semi-auto mode at 30m+ ranges and the accuracy of this tactic. Second, I really like the power at close range (15m or less) since I can go full auto and not worry about the viscous recoil too much. Third, I have come to truly appreciate the extremely quick reload time of the Baur and have personally found this to offset the small clip capacity. For those that say the Voss has enough ammo to engage a full squad, well, if they don't have you killed by the time you shoot all 40 bullets they were noobs anyway and I would have had time to reload the Baur or throw a frag to accomplish the same job. Do not take this mean that I feel the Voss is junk because it is a very dangerous foe ,as are many weapons in this game, but the Baur just fits my style. I just have adapted to the pitfalls that accompany the meanest (at both ends) assualt rifle in the game. There are so many effective weapons and tactics in Bf2142 which seems to suit the various traits of this gaming community, which is one of the reasons I love this game so much. Every class has a niche that is so much fun to play that sometimes at the start of a game I trouble deciding what to be. To me this is a great sign of a well-balanced game. So, I feel grab whatever kit you like and have fun, because they all are great in some way:)

I agree, and am somewhat proficient at both guns, but...I find it more stressful to get the same kill with a baur than the same kill with a voss. The voss, you just sit back and casually spray and pray, yet with the baur, you have to PAY ATTENTION. I get around the same amount of kills with both, I just find it more fun to play with the voss.

[SQUiB]

I used to like the Baur better than all the other rifles but since the patch that reduced assualt rifle recoil it's been relegated to occasional use for long range situations when I'm playing as EU. The reduction in recoil just doesn't seem to have helped the Baur (I still use it on single shot) but the others are all alot better than they were.

[nosoupforyou]

The Baur is by far the most difficult to use and therefore the one of the most maligned of the Assault rifle group. It seems like recently alot of people that attack or defend TITANS are using the recon kit more becuase of the effectiveness of the RDX/APMLambert combo in both these situations. Therefore, I have personally noted a rise in the number of deaths I have had to the Lambert as of late. Two months ago, the Voss lead my "you have been killed by" category, but now the Lambert has surpassed it. Personally, the Baur leads my gun kills by a 4:1 margin over my 2nd best killer the Lambert, but having said this about half of my 218 Baur kills on my new soldier are from PK-rockets. The Baur/PK rocket and the Lambert/RDX/APM are two of my favorite loadouts for Titan defense, which is what my squad does best. Specifically answering the questions concerning the Baur, I perfer it over the Voss for a few reasons. I like the knockdown power of each bullet coupled with semi-auto mode at 30m+ ranges and the accuracy of this tactic. Second, I really like the power at close range (15m or less) since I can go full auto and not worry about the viscous recoil too much. Third, I have come to truly appreciate the extremely quick reload time of the Baur and have personally found this to offset the small clip capacity. For those that say the Voss has enough ammo to engage a full squad, well, if they don't have you killed by the time you shoot all 40 bullets they were noobs anyway and I would have had time to reload the Baur or throw a frag to accomplish the same job. Do not take this mean that I feel the Voss is junk because it is a very dangerous foe ,as are many weapons in this game, but the Baur just fits my style. I just have adapted to the pitfalls that accompany the meanest (at both ends) assualt rifle in the game. There are so many effective weapons and tactics in Bf2142 which seems to suit the various traits of this gaming community, which is one of the reasons I love this game so much. Every class has a niche that is so much fun to play that sometimes at the start of a game I trouble deciding what to be. To me this is a great sign of a well-balanced game. So, I feel grab whatever kit you like and have fun, because they all are great in some way:)

cannot be botherd to read all of that lol but your opening statement is false.

there seems to be an idea around that everyone who uses the voss is unskilled and the real pros use baur because its not good fully auto or something..

im sorry but 2-3 shots to kill sum1 is basically like sniping and its not hard in the slightest, and 2-3 shots to kill someone?? why is this hard exactly?

[uniqTARGET]

voss = TETRIS players
baur = experts

lol

[pandadude]

voss = TETRIS players
baur = experts

lol

Did you read nosoupforyou's comments before you said that?
Also, I can't remember who said it, but I would agree, the assault rifle that seems to have benefitted least from the patch is the Baur. I used to use it a bit before, but now rarely do because the others have improved so much.

One amusing thing about the krylov, scar and baur is that i rarely get killed by them. Yet people will pray to the gods saying that these weapons are the leetness on the battlefield. I get killed FAR more often by the voss, lambert and the shuko/bianchi.

I am not saying this to bloat my ego, but rather state the truth. If these weapons were sooo good, then why do i rarely get killed but them?

Clearly some people have never heard of evidence to back up their claims.


In reply, I would argue that perhaps the majority of players don't use the assault rifles as much as people who post on these forums? Perhaps a larger number of 'casual' players are attracted to the recon kit because they find the active camo interesting? Of course, I'm just speculating, and no, I don't have evidence either.

[MachineMadness]

I gotta admit, I think the PAC rifle is best. Wish I could unlock that thing and use it EU side. : (



yeah so true, its been my favourite gun now for a while, but before that i was a VOSS addict, but saw the light and now know its a noob gun(G36E alike). when im PAC, i use the krylov with rockets and defib ( BTW im around 900-1500 in the world with the krylov) and when i go EU i use the Baur.

The trick with the baur is you aim at the pelvis area of a traget then shoot 4 bullets and the recoil moves the retical up towards a headshot:D

i have to admit... whenever i use the Voss i do go well with it, but i feel like a noob

KRYLOV FTW!!!

[jackal22]

tsk, tsk, too many assult junkies, >_> j/k

i have to agree with the statement that assult weapons are hyped too much. most times i get taken down are by either clays/frags/lmg (yeh i play too much titan...)

i think the most over looked weapon is the engie smg which will dominate all of the rilfes if used properly.

[nosoupforyou]

voss = TETRIS players
baur = experts

lol

wow that proves my point that people who use the bar seems to think their gods gift....

[blank1]

To the player who said that he rarely gets killed by the Scar, Krylov, or Baur... it's because everyone, their mother, and their dog use the LMG's, Lambert, and Voss. They all have easily controllable recoil and decent accuracy, meaning lower learning curves, and a lot more users.

Now to my assault rifle discussion.

The Voss is not the best assault rifle, nor is it better at long range than anything besides the Clark and the Lambert. The Voss, like it or not, is extremely easy to use, and thus, more players will reach its potential faster. However, the potential of the other guns is just as good if not greater when you look at them.

First off, I want to address the red-headed stepchild of assault rifles -- the SCAR 11. I honestly don't know why this thing gets so much hate... I use it nearly as much as the Krylov and less than the Baur... I think it's awesome. Why? It functions essentially the same as the Krylov with a bit more recoil, and a bit more accuracy. The recoil means it will take a bit longer (or AK-47 experience from CS 1.6) to learn, but once you've learned it, it is just as effective in its role as the other assault rifles. It does substantially more damage than the Voss, slightly more damage than the Krylov, and substantially less damage than the Baur. However, it's recoil is much more controllable than the Baur, and it's deviation is nearly as good. The Scar is a more accurate rifle than the Voss and Krylov as well (better deviation)... although players without good recoil control find the two former more "functionally accurate." The Scar will perform on par with the Krylov at full potential, outgunning the Baur in close quarters, and outgunning the Voss at combat distance (defined: the most frequent encounter range, being mid to long range [not sniper distance]).

Next, the Krylov. The Krylov is a very easy gun to use, like the other low recoil weapons. It's recoil is better than every assault rifle besides the Voss, and it's deviation is worse than everything besides the Scar and Baur. It shoots 1.5x faster than it's EU counterpart (600 vs 900 RPM), but since it only takes about 5 shots to down a person, the RPM doesn't play as much of a factor as people think, especially at combat distance where accuracy determines life or death, as opposed to RPM or who gets the jump. In function, it will outperform the Voss at combat distance and outperform the Baur up close.

Now for the Baur. I hold that the Baur is the single most versatile weapon in tactical conquest games, and the most effective rifle in 1 on 1 firefights. Please note that I have no bias here, as I mostly use the Krylov and SCAR-11 with some Baur thrown in the middle. However, the Baur is also the most difficult assault rifle to learn to use. Why? You NEED to learn to anticipate at what distance you will engage the enemy, because if you're in the wrong fire mode at the wrong time you will die fast. That, and the recoil requires much time to learn to compensate for. However, once this weapon's potential is unlocked, it's teeth at any distance become a very very real threat. First off, this gun kills people in 4 torso shots... not 5 as the damage per shot would have you believe. It takes 4, I have tested it too much. Furthermore, a headshot and a shot anywhere else is a 2 shot kill. Lastly, this gun has near sniper rifle accuracy. Then what do we have? A gun that can hold it's own in close quarters with it's massive damage and fast reload, and once mastered, edge out (not overpowered like, but consistently) any other weapon besides proned LMGers. Headshots will start to come naturally with usage, and especially fastclicking the single shot, people will die very quickly. A baur behind cover or at a vantage point can hold off a several people. A baur can also pick off someone at a vantage point due to it's accuracy and power. It's not the best thing since gunpowder, but it's versatility is matchless. In scrims and matches I prefer to use the Baur. When I pub, I usually use the stock rifles, but I'll end up using what ever seems fun at the moment. RDX in an FF off server is a blast.

Lastly, we have the Voss. The Voss is easily the most used assault rifle. This is for a simple reason... it serves the most obviously play style: rush in and shoot what ever moves. The Voss excels at this, since rushers will mostly encounter enemies at short distance. The Voss's nearly non existent recoil, blindly fast RPM, and 40 round clip make it the point, shoot, pray weapon of choice. IMO, there is no better assault rifle for flag rushing. However, the weapon, once probed, has some flaws, just as the other rifles. First off, the Voss has the worst deviation of the assault rifles. This means at combat distance, where every shot lands, a 6 shot kill is in order. However, the gun's deviation and scope shake (I've noticed it shakes more in full auto as compared to the other guns... anyone else notice this, or am I insane?) ensure that anywhere from 7 - 9 shots will be necessary in most cases. A good strategy is spraying 5 - 6 shot bursts at the head. The other rifles can perform with better accuracy at this range where accuracy is more vital, and the Baur should win in most situations.

At the end of the day, every rifle is good at what it was intended for. The Baur is most effective when used at a distance, behind cover, from rooftops, and/or picking off well positioned targets. The stock rifles maintain the jack-of-all-trades label, being effective killers at all effective assault rifle ranges. The Voss is the weapon of choice for flag rushers or those inclined to rapidly close the distance. Pick your choice because they can all kill, and kill well.

EDIT:

If you want to see an awesome Baur in action, I recommend playing with a fellow that I encountered named Josh909. I though he was using the no recoil exploit at first. He can burst fire the Baur at ranges I didn't think you could.

[Deesies]

The baur got the shortest straw with the rifle buff since it still needs single shot at long range.

[blank1]

The Baur on single shot is an animal.

[nosoupforyou]

To the player who said that he rarely gets killed by the Scar, Krylov, or Baur... it's because everyone, their mother, and their dog use the LMG's, Lambert, and Voss. They all have easily controllable recoil and decent accuracy, meaning lower learning curves, and a lot more users.

Now to my assault rifle discussion.

The Voss is not the best assault rifle, nor is it better at long range than anything besides the Clark and the Lambert. The Voss, like it or not, is extremely easy to use, and thus, more players will reach its potential faster. However, the potential of the other guns is just as good if not greater when you look at them.

First off, I want to address the red-headed stepchild of assault rifles -- the SCAR 11. I honestly don't know why this thing gets so much hate... I use it nearly as much as the Krylov and less than the Baur... I think it's awesome. Why? It functions essentially the same as the Krylov with a bit more recoil, and a bit more accuracy. The recoil means it will take a bit longer (or AK-47 experience from CS 1.6) to learn, but once you've learned it, it is just as effective in its role as the other assault rifles. It does substantially more damage than the Voss, slightly more damage than the Krylov, and substantially less damage than the Baur. However, it's recoil is much more controllable than the Baur, and it's deviation is nearly as good. The Scar is a more accurate rifle than the Voss and Krylov as well (better deviation)... although players without good recoil control find the two former more "functionally accurate." The Scar will perform on par with the Krylov at full potential, outgunning the Baur in close quarters, and outgunning the Voss at combat distance (defined: the most frequent encounter range, being mid to long range [not sniper distance]).

Next, the Krylov. The Krylov is a very easy gun to use, like the other low recoil weapons. It's recoil is better than every assault rifle besides the Voss, and it's deviation is worse than everything besides the Scar and Baur. It shoots 1.5x faster than it's EU counterpart (600 vs 900 RPM), but since it only takes about 5 shots to down a person, the RPM doesn't play as much of a factor as people think, especially at combat distance where accuracy determines life or death, as opposed to RPM or who gets the jump. In function, it will outperform the Voss at combat distance and outperform the Baur up close.

Now for the Baur. I hold that the Baur is the single most versatile weapon in tactical conquest games, and the most effective rifle in 1 on 1 firefights. Please note that I have no bias here, as I mostly use the Krylov and SCAR-11 with some Baur thrown in the middle. However, the Baur is also the most difficult assault rifle to learn to use. Why? You NEED to learn to anticipate at what distance you will engage the enemy, because if you're in the wrong fire mode at the wrong time you will die fast. That, and the recoil requires much time to learn to compensate for. However, once this weapon's potential is unlocked, it's teeth at any distance become a very very real threat. First off, this gun kills people in 4 torso shots... not 5 as the damage per shot would have you believe. It takes 4, I have tested it too much. Furthermore, a headshot and a shot anywhere else is a 2 shot kill. Lastly, this gun has near sniper rifle accuracy. Then what do we have? A gun that can hold it's own in close quarters with it's massive damage and fast reload, and once mastered, edge out (not overpowered like, but consistently) any other weapon besides proned LMGers. Headshots will start to come naturally with usage, and especially fastclicking the single shot, people will die very quickly. A baur behind cover or at a vantage point can hold off a several people. A baur can also pick off someone at a vantage point due to it's accuracy and power. It's not the best thing since gunpowder, but it's versatility is matchless. In scrims and matches I prefer to use the Baur. When I pub, I usually use the stock rifles, but I'll end up using what ever seems fun at the moment. RDX in an FF off server is a blast.

Lastly, we have the Voss. The Voss is easily the most used assault rifle. This is for a simple reason... it serves the most obviously play style: rush in and shoot what ever moves. The Voss excels at this, since rushers will mostly encounter enemies at short distance. The Voss's nearly non existent recoil, blindly fast RPM, and 40 round clip make it the point, shoot, pray weapon of choice. IMO, there is no better assault rifle for flag rushing. However, the weapon, once probed, has some flaws, just as the other rifles. First off, the Voss has the worst deviation of the assault rifles. This means at combat distance, where every shot lands, a 6 shot kill is in order. However, the gun's deviation and scope shake (I've noticed it shakes more in full auto as compared to the other guns... anyone else notice this, or am I insane?) ensure that anywhere from 7 - 9 shots will be necessary in most cases. A good strategy is spraying 5 - 6 shot bursts at the head. The other rifles can perform with better accuracy at this range where accuracy is more vital, and the Baur should win in most situations.

At the end of the day, every rifle is good at what it was intended for. The Baur is most effective when used at a distance, behind cover, from rooftops, and/or picking off well positioned targets. The stock rifles maintain the jack-of-all-trades label, being effective killers at all effective assault rifle ranges. The Voss is the weapon of choice for flag rushers or those inclined to rapidly close the distance. Pick your choice because they can all kill, and kill well.

I loved the voss and it was perfect with pk-rockets for my play style, 100% perfect. spray and pray didnt exist, at 5m it never exists because u cant miss...

i consider the baur the new svd, a fast firing sniper rifle but not as pwoerful as the bolt action ones or as accurate. Great weapon if u play like that but it sucked for my play style.

7-9 shots isnt needed, i always found 2 round burts with the voss aimed at the head would work wonders, nearly always worked using little ammo, and depending on the range ye you can make it a few more rounds but 2 was my fave :)

Voss is a truly awesome weapon. I did also use the krylov a few times after using the voss and i gotta say it is also a well gd weapon, hate scar tho, not a fan of baur because its not my style, NOT because i dont have skill and i "noob" with voss.

I hardly played bf2142 that much, my rank wasnt extremely high and my hours were relatively low, cba to check but look up if you want. I was in top 500 voss from something like 3000 in my playing time (i started a week late as well). I was good with the weapon thats all :)

one last thing, the whole combat range thing, its all tru, voss wasnt great, but i played so much medic in bf2 i was used to having a worse gun and coming out on top. You gotta side step, lots of popping up and down, and especially vs the baur, just get close. Most baur users wont be able to hit a player sprinting at a large angle to them, so make a run and pwn up :) or use pk rockets :D

[TigerRei]

In my own personal experience, I believe a lot of people see the Voss as powerful in the stats not because it is, just because everybody uses it. Looking at my own stats, I noticed that while I use the Voss more, my KPM actually goes down using it than with the Krylov. My skill (and score) with the Baur is downright atrocious but I attribute that to my lack of use. I personally dont notice much of a difference with the Scar. My personal favorite still resides in the Krylov though, as it loses less damage over distance than the Voss, and bursts come accurate enough to pick people off at 100 meters. Paired with the PK-74 rockets, it's easy to take out anybody from point blank to sniper ranges.

[MouseNo4]

When it comes down to it, its always has and always will be according to skill and playing style.

I like to run and gun. Rush the enemy, pound em flat and keep on pounding em flat until i run out of ammo.

Attempting that with the baur will get you killed. I have killed 4 people with one clip with the voss. To do the same with the baur you have to land every round. Do do that, you need to have the advantage. An example would be not being seen or moving from around a corner.

You cant really compare two weapons that are DESIGNED to work differently.

The voss is designed to act as a bridge between the lmg's and the shot gun. The baur is designed to replace the shot gun with something that is easier to score hits and has similar damage potential.

[pandadude]

You cant really compare two weapons that are DESIGNED to work differently.



I think that sums this topic up very well.

[Ezekiel]

( BTW im around 900-1500 in the world with the krylov)

Yes the krylov is the best AR by far, since i started using it i have been steadily climbing the learboards and am now ranked around 700 with it. When i first played assault i had already unlocked the voss so i decided to use that, and got quite alot of kills with it but then used the Krylov and haven't looked back since, the reason everyone dies more by the voss is because its the weapon all the noobs use, i cant stand it, its just a close range spray and pray weapon, The krylov is better at med-long range, the only downfall with the krylov is your bullets vanish in seconds lol

[Ezekiel]

I like to run and gun. Rush the enemy, pound em flat and keep on pounding em flat until i run out of ammo.

lol not to sound like a **** or anything, but going by your k:d ratio i doubt you usually last long enough to run out of ammo, especially with the voss, I run out if ammo alot when am using the krylov, because sometimes you end up using half a clip killing someone, and i often reload if i only have half a clip, 10 or less bullets is an instant reload with me

[Older-OMO]

Krylov or Scar means you have to consistently play one side or another or you are switching weapons every round (assuming switch sides at end of round). Voss or Bauer keeps you with the same weapon no matter which side you play. That's the only reason I stay with the Voss.

[blank1]

Look at my K:D ratio. Also, I have another toon who is much more experience than that one... blank1 is my personal toon. The other one I used is shared by several people who all like to play casually and like all the unlocks I got on it. I won't name him because he's pretty well known, but his K:D is 2.5 about, and the other dudes who play him suck lol. The near 4 kill to death ratio and 2.10 ish score per minute is almost solely dedicated to ground pounding on conquest. I can tell everyone from experience, as I'm sure other people will say as well, that every rifle is awesome in its uses. And the SCAR-11 is an awesome weapon. My favorite weapon is listed as Krylov, because fate tends to place me PAC. I use the stock weapons in pubs. Baur > * for matches though.

[BahamutZ3RO]

I think the reason that the Voss and Lambert are so high on the charts is because they're unstoppable in close range, and that's how most people are going to get their kills. It's just easier to run at a guy and pump a bunch of shots into him point blank.

Makes me wish the shotgun attachment would be an auto-switch instead of taking that extra second. : (

[The_Eliminator]

Krylov > Voss > Baur > SCAR

Overall.

Agree

[blank1]

Bleh we're beating a dead horse now lol. We should all salivate about the new weapon unlock in Northern Strike, if there will be one at all. I hope they take a completely different route and give us an automatic shotgun or something lol. A semi-automatic grenade launcher would be cool too. Or how about samurai swords LOLZ!!11/1/1213aasd~!!

[RottnJP]

It does make me curious, tho- why does the unlock (Voss) lose damage faster, do less damage, and have higher deviation than the Krylov? That just seems silly enough that I wonder if it was an oversight. Of course, I also don't understand the logic of the Ganz's "negative deviation" thing, and they left that in post-patch.... It would be neat to hear the developers' thoughts on it.

[pandadude]

It does make me curious, tho- why does the unlock (Voss) lose damage faster, do less damage, and have higher deviation than the Krylov? That just seems silly enough that I wonder if it was an oversight. Of course, I also don't understand the logic of the Ganz's "negative deviation" thing, and they left that in post-patch.... It would be neat to hear the developers' thoughts on it.

I think the reason the Voss loses damage faster, does less damager and has a higher deviation is because it has a far superior fire rate (although the Lambert sounds like it has a high rate of fire, it isn't really that high) and it also has a very large clip, meaning in close quarters, if your enemy wastes all his bullets quickly, he then has to reload, but you and your Voss still have twenty bullets left in your clip.

[bman427]

If the baur had 3 shot burst, then it would own.

[blank1]

If the Baur had 25 bullets in a clip, they would need to nerf it. :o

[Razzor7]

Makes me wish the shotgun attachment would be an auto-switch instead of taking that extra second. : (

Or if you could make it a secondary fire thing...

[Calantus]

Yes the krylov is the best AR by far, since i started using it i have been steadily climbing the learboards and am now ranked around 700 with it. When i first played assault i had already unlocked the voss so i decided to use that, and got quite alot of kills with it but then used the Krylov and haven't looked back since, the reason everyone dies more by the voss is because its the weapon all the noobs use, i cant stand it, its just a close range spray and pray weapon, The krylov is better at med-long range, the only downfall with the krylov is your bullets vanish in seconds lol

I'm developing a twitch whenever people call the Voss a noob gun. It's getting really, really old. I no longer use the Voss as I've decided I like the Baur more, but the Voss still shows up as my favourite gun at the moment. The Voss is so much more than a spray and pray weapon, and it is very effective at ANY range you'd be willing to use an AR gun.

As for my personal ranking of weapons I'd say Baur->Voss->Don't Care->Don't Care. Any weapon that fires differently to the equivalent weapon on the opposite side isn't worth my time. Having my favoured weapon available only 50% of the time? No thanks. The Krylov is the Voss-Lite, and the Scar is the Baur-Lite and I see no reason to choose one when I can just take one of the unlocks. It's about consistancy for me.

Now the reason I rank the Baur higher than the Voss is because I value stopping power more than just about anything else. The Baur has the potential to flat-out beat every weapon except for a sniper headshot or a Clark at close range. That's also why I intensely dislike the LMGs for anything but titan defence; you only kill the other guy in a shootout if he fails to kill you first, it's his firefight to lose. I changed from Voss to Baur because I found myself losing firefights to good Baur players even when I shot well. With the Baur I'm confident that 90% of the time if I die it's because I messed up in either my positioning, timing, or shooting. I never get those frustrating moments where I felt there was nothing reasonable I could have done to win.

One thing I wish they'd do with the Baur is make the switching to AR rockets go faster. It may just be me, but the Baur seems to take an extra 1/2 second to make the switch compared to the Voss and I swear it's gotten me killed a few times.

[blank1]

I think it's fair that the rockets switch slower (I've noticed)... the Baur reloads like 1 second faster than the other rifles.

[gamefoo]

I <3 the Krylov. Going back to basics!

[so1id sn@ke]

thats why the pac rule the EU

Here here! :nod:


KRYLOV FTW!!!

HERE HERE! :ar15: :dead:

So where is the krylov or the baur - the gods of the weapon world - in all this??

Krylov's off pwning noobs in another server and can't be reached right now, Baur's off in a corner sulking.