Booster pack for free?

[Alaz]

Are you having a laugh?

This thread is aimed towards the few individuals i've noticed that seem to believe we deserve this kind of stuff for free.

This isn't an mmo people, all the stuff coming in this booster pack was made after the game was released, for what reason shouldn't the people who designed it be paid...
As far as i see it there are some issues with payment methods i'll agree but how can anyone justify us not having to pay for this kind of stuff. Its exactly what this game needs to keep it interesting and its being made by people who do it for their job, not voluntarily.

I just figure why some people think we shouldn't have to pay for this, I mean thanks to it being online only content the price is reduced to probably the cheapest form of expansion of content you've ever seen.

/rant over :p

I'm quite content to listen to people give their reasons for and against what i've said but I just can't concieve how it could be justified any other way. Disscuss...

[MrTriggerhappyJr]

Amen to that.:D

[fshy94]

I believe I am one of those who you are addressing, and I will make two main points to explain our reason for wanting this BP free.

1. It fractures the community for server rotation yada yada yada, you have only to visit one of the thousands of other threads on similar sujects to know the whole of this argument.

2. I do not necessarily believe that THIS booster back should be free, but given that we only got 10 maps, and 5 for titan lovers like me, I think EA owes us SOME free content. I'd be just as happy if EA released some new maps for free, and sold a booster pack containing more new maps at the same time. I just feel we need a few more free maps for everyone that are ranked.

Does that satisfy your question? Also, bear in mind that my opinions do not speak for everyone who doesn't want to pay for a booster pack; so address their remarks separately from mine.

[WetPatch]

LoL im sorry wasnt the whole ingame ads there for this reason?

[uniqTARGET]

Mate, nothing comes free these days.......
I'll buy booster anyway( as long as it's under $50AUS)
cheers

[Deesies]

Really now. Is another one of these threads really needed? I and everyone else will just be beating a dead horse if we responded to this issue again >.>

[Whiteplague]

hahaha right, youre not getting it for free and you probably wont ever get anything for free that has this much new content, no point of asking this again

[Wizrdwarts]

Aren't we paying for it indirectly anyways because of the ingame ads?

[RYKUU]

Mate, nothing comes free these days.......
I'll buy booster anyway( as long as it's under $50AUS)
cheers

ill only buy it if its under 40

[uniqTARGET]

Good on you RykUU!!!
What city are u from?

[EaGle1337]

I'll buy if cheap enough

[Alaz]

Aren't we paying for it indirectly anyways because of the ingame ads?

The in game ads are a joke really, i wonder how many people even see them. I have not messed with any files on my pc and i've never seen a single in game ad.

Okay, fracturing of the community. I can understand this but i believe the work to fix this issue should be done on the other end of release, when they've got servers hosting the levels.

Didn't realise how many of these threads there were, when i looked i only found one similar point made in another different topic thread so sorry :p

[Leemus]

Im gunna buy it fo shizz.
It was said officially somewhere that it is gunna cost same as bf2 boosters?
Anyway. why dont all you people who want it free. Come and give me your car/house/pet submarine.. for free?

[David Champion]

New content for free? Its going the way of the Dodo, sorry to say.
I've said this in threads already just like this one, new content isn't free because they don't make it for free.

What incentive would it give a company to put out items for free when it can take them numerous manhours and late nights to develope it? Nothing.

It's a meeger 10$, don't buy lunch out for 2 days and you have the money :D :laugh:

Sell some old DVDs and get it, sell some old Music CDs and get it, heck turn in some empty beer/soda cans for redemption and get it... Theres so many possiblities.

But, should we get free content from something we've already bought, I think not... Heck Patches cost money to make and they aren't charging us money for those, but when people start complaining about it more and more, it'll probably happen sooner or later.

Next Patch is to 1.2, perhaps they will toss in a new "free" map for us, those take no time to make i'd imagine (I've never actually made one but...). But new Content like vehicles and weapons and a new gamemode? Nah.

[angelofdeath3131]

LoL im sorry wasnt the whole ingame ads there for this reason?

EXACTLY.

[A5ko]

Why should i pay anymore of my cash into this game? It's nothing new, it's not revolutionary in anyway, shape or form. The retail price has yet to be justified and there are plenty more games like this coming out pretty soon.

I think EA/DICE should be pushing for reasons to keep customers, not ways to piss them off.

[David Champion]

So people that enjoy the game will fork over the money for new content and the naysayers will go and buy a new game for 50-60$ so they can start the gripe all over again. Hmmmm, okay.

Keep up the fight man :laugh:

EA doesn't have to worry about customers either.

[Vreki]

Why should i pay anymore of my cash into this game? It's nothing new, it's not revolutionary in anyway, shape or form. The retail price has yet to be justified and there are plenty more games like this coming out pretty soon.


If you don't think its worth buying, then don't buy it.

But I see nothing wrong with those who do want it having to pay for the man-hours spent developing it.


I think EA/DICE should be pushing for reasons to keep customers, not ways to piss them off.

This is not a subscription based game, once you have paid for the game they no longer have any financial interest in you.

If you drop the game after a month it will actually cost them less than if you play it for a year, since they have to spend less server resources.

So they only reason for them to release free content is to encourage people to buy the next release.

I doubt that would change the opinion for a significant percentage of the players, those who like the core game would have bought the next one anyway, and those who think it is a failure (like you) wont change their minds either.

[TWRAM]

We don't even know what the unlocks are going to be, and you guys are drooling over 2 vehicles and a few more maps. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't leave this content out of the original version because of plans to sell expansions. Why don't they just create one large expansion, something along the lines of special forces, armoured fury, euro forces all combined in one. That would be worth buying.

Here is another perspective. Let's say they are going to sell this BP for $20. If the game had already included this content, which very well could have, would you have been willing to pay $70 for the original version?

[Alaz]

Here is another perspective. Let's say they are going to sell this BP for $20. If the game had already included this content, which very well could have, would you have been willing to pay $70 for the original version?

No, Its obvious they know this and thats why its here in this booster pack. Thats just common business sense. Fact remains though that the game when it was released was worth the money and the things this new booster pack will bring sounds like its worth the money for me, its like 1-2 hours of work pay for many hours of entertainment.

[Vreki]

Why don't they just create one large expansion, something along the lines of special forces, armoured fury, euro forces all combined in one. That would be worth buying.

It would also cost more and take longer to develop.


Here is another perspective. Let's say they are going to sell this BP for $20. If the game had already included this content, which very well could have, would you have been willing to pay $70 for the original version?

No, I cant see myself giving much more than the standard 50$ for any game, regardless of content.

However I feel that BF2142 has given me value for my money, and is certainly willing to pay 10$ to extend that experience.

[Kibax]

Im buying the booster pack.

[Masterstyle]

as long as the booster comes out in stores ill buy it, if I have to use ea link im not gonna buy it.

[fshy94]

I think people misunderstand what I want from EA. I'm happy with the vehicles I have, and those who want more content and unlocks can get the Booster Pack. Fair so far. However, BF2 had like what, 15 maps in vanilla? I don't know as I never played it. Now we're down to ten. All I want are new maps, as for the rest, people can buy boosters. Also, I'm worried that EA is ripping us, as we know how many servers play the BF2 boosters by now.

[antihero]

LoL im sorry wasnt the whole ingame ads there for this reason?Seriously, EA stated in games ads was added to provide free content post release.

I bought Star Wars Tie Fighter and X-Wing in 1993 and 1994. Both cost if I remember right about $40 for a total of $80 and Tie Fighter was the same game with a few new things. I never got anything after that for free either.

Now for those of you who have taken Economics should have learned about inflation. For those that don't know what it is use google. The fact is any extra revenue is helping combat inflation and the fact I can buy a PC game for almost the same prince as 10+ years ago makes me happy as in fact they have gone done in price comparing to the rate of inflation.

[Vreki]

I think people misunderstand what I want from EA. I'm happy with the vehicles I have, and those who want more content and unlocks can get the Booster Pack. Fair so far. However, BF2 had like what, 15 maps in vanilla? I don't know as I never played it. Now we're down to ten. All I want are new maps, as for the rest, people can buy boosters. Also, I'm worried that EA is ripping us, as we know how many servers play the BF2 boosters by now.

According to http://www.totalbf2.com/page.php?do=bfmaps there are 12 maps and only one game type for vanilla BF2.

BF2142 has 10 maps and two game types.

[fshy94]

According to http://www.totalbf2.com/page.php?do=bfmaps there are 12 maps and only one game type for vanilla BF2.

BF2142 has 10 maps and two game types.

OK, I misjudged that amount, but...we're still losing maps. BF2 had less than '42 did, and so on. I just...oh...one or two more maps for titan and conquest mode, and maybe a CTF gamemode(imagine if the flags were on titans:) ), since that isn't exactly hard to program. I don't ask for much, just as much as we had before. Boosters can be bought and sold for all I care, as long as they aren't uber pwners or dead in two weeks.

[GunHappyBob]

People want things for free because in this society it's tought that handouts come from the handout fairy and no one on the other end has any financial needs. Believe it or not EA employs 100's- 1000's of employees. Where do they get their money after giving you a booster that probably cost a few million to make? Ehh who cares I just want it for free because corporations are the devil.

If you want something for free walk your happy *** up the cellar stars at your parents house and make a pb&J sandwich at your moms house. Some of us realize what it takes to make things happen in life. EA makes money, ea has more money to make more content and keep it's employees and actually stay in business. Give stuff away and they may as well call themselves gaming welfare and be a failure just like that other welfare.

Take your thumb out ya azz and fork out the measly 10-15 dollars and quit the bitching.

[GunHappyBob]

OK, I misjudged that amount, but...we're still losing maps. BF2 had less than '42 did, and so on. I just...oh...one or two more maps for titan and conquest mode, and maybe a CTF gamemode(imagine if the flags were on titans:) ), since that isn't exactly hard to program. I don't ask for much, just as much as we had before. Boosters can be bought and sold for all I care, as long as they aren't uber pwners or dead in two weeks.

When they sold the game did you see something on the box that said each map cost 5 dollars and whatever ones we are missing we'll give you for free later? NO? I didn't think so. You got exactly what you paid for. Now, if you want the expansion you'll get what you pay for. I always see this argument like EA/Dice only spends a certain amount to make each map. I mean what myth machine are you using? They have a budget and shareholders that they need to please. If all that they could make was 13 maps and limited vehicles in the time they did that's their personel problem. It's also your problem that you paid 50 bucks for said lack of maps in your opinion. I got my moneys worth. Ya know why. I paid 40 bucks for a wrench that probably was invent in a week and produced in a matter of minutes on an assembly line. Then I paid 50 for a game that took a year to make over top of an engine and concept that took many years and 1000's apon 1000's of human beings man hours to produce and make available to us.

So do I feel bad that I had to pay 40 bucks for a magnetic spark plug remover? Nope I knew i wasn't getting my moneys worth but I didn't come back to the store later asking for a free wrench set of my choice to compensate.

People don't seem to appreciate the fact that it takes thousands of hours to bring one of you whiny bitches a few maps and a few new vehicles. There are teams of people working on it as we speak. Cell phones ringing and people probably losing sleep. And here you are crying like a lost baby because you have to fork over a few dollars. It amounts to a half hours work for me to get this expansion. I don't think I'll cry myself to sleep tonight.

I'll by the expansion for the person who writes an essay to me admitting that they have been little biitches about wanting the expansion for free and how they seen the light. First person to send me a essay wins.

[DANK]

Amen to GunHappyBob for having some thought out explanations instead of these short outburst of the never ending bitching by some of these woman around here.

Bunch of weak spined cowards around here constantly crying about how they hate EA/Dice and how we should boycott it whether it has to do with all the *******es who had to pop their head in here about how to avoid the online ads.

Buncha bums around here constantly whinning about the price of things but not having any common sense of how much enjoyment you get out of it. To think of it some of these deusches are real losers and need to get a life.

[GunHappyBob]

Amen to GunHappyBob for having some thought out explanations instead of these short outburst of the never ending bitching by some of these woman around here.

Bunch of weak spined cowards around here constantly crying about how they hate EA/Dice and how we should boycott it whether it has to do with all the *******es who had to pop their head in here about how to avoid the online ads.

Buncha bums around here constantly whinning about the price of things but not having any common sense of how much enjoyment you get out of it. To think of it some of these deusches are real losers and need to get a life.

2142 has been out for about 3 months. That's 3 months. So far that is 16.50 a month roughly. Divide that by 30. Yea, for the price of a can of pepsi a day you have played bf 2142. If you play the game for a year like I probably will it comes out to pennys a day. I played an mmo I won't name. I payed 15 a month for 3 years. It came out to 720 dollars plus the initial cost of the game owas 50. So 770 dollars verso 50 + 15(expansion) + 30 (two future expansions). So if 2142 has two more booster packs I pay a total of 95 dollars. Plus I have countless mods available and I have a choice of 1000's of servers as opposed to 5 servers. I don't have to worry about constant server crashes because if one goes down I move to the next whereas in mmos many times you have one char on one server and when it crashes your screwed.

Just by the expansion because we know your gonna anyway folks.

[fshy94]

When they sold the game did you see something on the box that said each map cost 5 dollars and whatever ones we are missing we'll give you for free later? NO? I didn't think so. You got exactly what you paid for. Now, if you want the expansion you'll get what you pay for. I always see this argument like EA/Dice only spends a certain amount to make each map. I mean what myth machine are you using? They have a budget and shareholders that they need to please. If all that they could make was 13 maps and limited vehicles in the time they did that's their personel problem. It's also your problem that you paid 50 bucks for said lack of maps in your opinion. I got my moneys worth. Ya know why. I paid 40 bucks for a wrench that probably was invent in a week and produced in a matter of minutes on an assembly line. Then I paid 50 for a game that took a year to make over top of an engine and concept that took many years and 1000's apon 1000's of human beings man hours to produce and make available to us.

So do I feel bad that I had to pay 40 bucks for a magnetic spark plug remover? Nope I knew i wasn't getting my moneys worth but I didn't come back to the store later asking for a free wrench set of my choice to compensate.

People don't seem to appreciate the fact that it takes thousands of hours to bring one of you whiny bitches a few maps and a few new vehicles. There are teams of people working on it as we speak. Cell phones ringing and people probably losing sleep. And here you are crying like a lost baby because you have to fork over a few dollars. It amounts to a half hours work for me to get this expansion. I don't think I'll cry myself to sleep tonight.

I'll by the expansion for the person who writes an essay to me admitting that they have been little biitches about wanting the expansion for free and how they seen the light. First person to send me a essay wins.

Kudos for a good counterargument:) OK, I'm forced to admit that they don't "owe" me anything. And I appreciate their work, and I'm not an EA hater; on the contrary, I love this game, and don't want it to get screwed up. However, based on what other game developers and EA has done in the past, I've come to expect one or two levels from them...over the period of an year or so. The weak point in you're argument, however, comes from the hour-time you say it takes. If I am correct(correct me if I am wrong), map making does not take as much time as vehicles, models, unlocks, etc. Which is why I ONLY want maps. I am realistic, and have learned to be pleasantly surprised when free content is released. By all means, the man-hours put into making vehicles and unlocks deserve to be acknowledged with a paycheck, and a booster pack.

All I want, on the other hand, as I've stated before, is a FEW new maps. Hell, I'll be satisfied with the map editor. If they give it to us at the same time as Patch 1.2, I'll pull the dam thing from my sig and thank DICE. I would be happy with ABSOLUTELY NO free maps, but just give us the editor. There is no way you can argue that the map editor is not what EA owes us. And yes, I am biased. Why? Because even if I can get the booster, it'll be a while from now, and I fear the booster may be dead by then. Oh, and the offer is tempting to try, but I'm afraid no...unless this suffices for you :D .

That said, I DO feel I have gotten my money's worth, and unless EA decides to do the worst thing possible(pull this game's online section with the one month's notice), I will enjoy this game for a while. The ingame ad thing is kinda weak atm, since I haven't seen a single ad yet; but I would vastly prefer it if the whole place was peppered with ads, and we got free content.

Dank, unless you have something other than whining about whiners to do, leave this place alone. GunHappy at least prepared a well-written counterargument, that has forced me to change some of my opinions.

PS: The Hachimoto looks cool as heck :D :D

[GunHappyBob]

I'd say it takes a good deal of time to make a map. Do you think the textures were easy to make? bf2142 is a small sect of EA games. I'd venture to say that it doesn't even sell 1/10 of what one of their games like the sims or any of their sports games make. So they gotta make enough money to prove that the game is even worth continuing the series.

What would you expect to be charged if they made the game specifically for you because technically it is in a sense. They produce a multimillion dollar game and then just casually let you install it on your computer.

I also don't like the fact that I may have to pay 30 dollars for the expansion. But at the same time I know that if it's good I'll get many months out of it and when you way the cost over time it comes out to pennys a day. I know if you played bf2 you could go to bf2s.com and see how much the game cost to play per hour. Over the year I played for like 350 hours and it came out to 16 cents an hour. I kinda sucked at bf2 and even at 2142 but I enjoy it greatly so i dont mind the 16 cents an hour over a year.

The bottom line is we are given an option to buy or not to buy. You may be at a disadvantage if you don't buy but that just adds to the realism of the game. The US has a better military then africa because we have better funding. If you are able to fund yourself for the expansion then you will be better equipped. And if I had to guess I doubt that the new stuff will have any major advantages.

And I be they do give us a few new maps with in this year. in BF2 we got road to jalalabad and I love that map. The game has been out for 3 months give them time before they come with the handouts.

[fshy94]

I'd say it takes a good deal of time to make a map. Do you think the textures were easy to make? bf2142 is a small sect of EA games. I'd venture to say that it doesn't even sell 1/10 of what one of their games like the sims or any of their sports games make. So they gotta make enough money to prove that the game is even worth continuing the series.

What would you expect to be charged if they made the game specifically for you because technically it is in a sense. They produce a multimillion dollar game and then just casually let you install it on your computer.

I also don't like the fact that I may have to pay 30 dollars for the expansion. But at the same time I know that if it's good I'll get many months out of it and when you way the cost over time it comes out to pennys a day. I know if you played bf2 you could go to bf2s.com and see how much the game cost to play per hour. Over the year I played for like 350 hours and it came out to 16 cents an hour. I kinda sucked at bf2 and even at 2142 but I enjoy it greatly so i dont mind the 16 cents an hour over a year.

The bottom line is we are given an option to buy or not to buy. You may be at a disadvantage if you don't buy but that just adds to the realism of the game. The US has a better military then africa because we have better funding. If you are able to fund yourself for the expansion then you will be better equipped. And if I had to guess I doubt that the new stuff will have any major advantages.

And I be they do give us a few new maps with in this year. in BF2 we got road to jalalabad and I love that map. The game has been out for 3 months give them time before they come with the handouts.

Good. Then we are in complete agreement. IF the booster is good, I may consider buying it. If not...I reserve the right to keep my cash. On the free content side, I may be content with the editor. Anything else will be considered a bonus.

[frshhh]

Seriously, EA stated in games ads was added to provide free content post release.

I bought Star Wars Tie Fighter and X-Wing in 1993 and 1994. Both cost if I remember right about $40 for a total of $80 and Tie Fighter was the same game with a few new things. I never got anything after that for free either.

Now for those of you who have taken Economics should have learned about inflation. For those that don't know what it is use google. The fact is any extra revenue is helping combat inflation and the fact I can buy a PC game for almost the same prince as 10+ years ago makes me happy as in fact they have gone done in price comparing to the rate of inflation.

And if you've taken economics, you'd know about deflation (not to be confused with depreciation)... as in RedBook CD/DVDs (if you dont know what one is, google it) 10 years ago cost approx. $4 to produce, now its a fraction of a cent - which kinda nullifies your argument considering it is well within the rate of inflation.

And then of course theres the fact that NS wont be available on CD/DVD - download only - which costs even less than an already cheap CD/DVD plus Box, inlay and booklet.

And if your claim purports to have such credence, how do you explain the 5 free maps, many many free weapons and vehicles, a new game mode and a new faction - ALL FOR FREE - that was given to the community after the release of BF1942... or indeed the free 1942 conversion of BF-Vietnam?

Whether you like it or not, it comes down to shear greed.

[muninn]

I paid $100 for a game with more holes in it then Cortney Loves arm and even after many patches i hear ppl are still having problems. Maybe they should of used all those "man hours" creating Northern Strike on the original f*@king game. I don't really mind buying Northern Strike but to say we don't deserve it for free is ridiculous. The amount of bullsh*t some ppl have been through to play this game shows a level of dedication that this game really doesn't deserve. They should consider themselves lucky to have a community like this.

[Alaz]

I paid $100 for a game with more holes in it then Cortney Loves arm and even after many patches i hear ppl are still having problems. Maybe they should of used all those "man hours" creating Northern Strike on the original f*@king game. I don't really mind buying Northern Strike but to say we don't deserve it for free is ridiculous. The amount of bullsh*t some ppl have been through to play this game shows a level of dedication that this game really doesn't deserve. They should consider themselves lucky to have a community like this.

Yep this game has its fair share of bugs thats for sure... I think we can thank EA for rushing Dice to bring it out when they did is the cause of it. However all in all i'd still say its given me more fun then annoyance, bugs included.

[Cole-Train]

New content for free? Its going the way of the Dodo, sorry to say.
I've said this in threads already just like this one, new content isn't free because they don't make it for free.

What incentive would it give a company to put out items for free when it can take them numerous manhours and late nights to develope it? Nothing.

It's a meeger 10$, don't buy lunch out for 2 days and you have the money :D :laugh:

Sell some old DVDs and get it, sell some old Music CDs and get it, heck turn in some empty beer/soda cans for redemption and get it... Theres so many possiblities.

But, should we get free content from something we've already bought, I think not... Heck Patches cost money to make and they aren't charging us money for those, but when people start complaining about it more and more, it'll probably happen sooner or later.

Next Patch is to 1.2, perhaps they will toss in a new "free" map for us, those take no time to make i'd imagine (I've never actually made one but...). But new Content like vehicles and weapons and a new gamemode? Nah.

however, the patches are needed because some where along the development line, someone missed a bug or a glitch, and when people exploit that, Ea/Dice has to fix it.

if they dont, so many people would get tired of people exploiting the game that they would just quit, and then who is left to buy the booster pack?

that being said, i do agree that an addition with this much content shouldn't be free, but if we are ever charged for patches, i will quit this game

[antihero]

And if you've taken economics, you'd know about deflation (not to be confused with depreciation)... as in RedBook CD/DVDs (if you dont know what one is, google it) 10 years ago cost approx. $4 to produce, now its a fraction of a cent - which kinda nullifies your argument considering it is well within the rate of inflation.

And then of course theres the fact that NS wont be available on CD/DVD - download only - which costs even less than an already cheap CD/DVD plus Box, inlay and booklet.

And if your claim purports to have such credence, how do you explain the 5 free maps, many many free weapons and vehicles, a new game mode and a new faction - ALL FOR FREE - that was given to the community after the release of BF1942... or indeed the free 1942 conversion of BF-Vietnam?

Whether you like it or not, it comes down to shear greed.
I love when guys like you try and prove a point with one example when in-fact there are more cost to making a game than distributing it on a CD/DVD. Sorry, but your arguments used to beat your girlfriend don't work on me. The fact is deflation on a few areas of delivering a game from its beginning to the shelves does not equal more than the inflation game developing has seen happen in the passed 13 years. So your weak attempt to sound like you bested my point you have failed.

Just because they did that before doesn't mean in any way they have to do it again. Maybe that had a very negative financial impact on them. You don't know and they in no way have to do what they did before.

Your last statement just sounds stupid and needs no reply.

[dontlookback]

um almost every other game in existence gets **** for free.

I mean look at Valve...now what incentive do they have for making Counterstrike Source even better with new maps and the like? Because its what loyal fans want.

You all just bend over and let EA service the account

[« R²» P§I]

Are you having a laugh?

This thread is aimed towards the few individuals i've noticed that seem to believe we deserve this kind of stuff for free.

This isn't an mmo people, all the stuff coming in this booster pack was made after the game was released, for what reason shouldn't the people who designed it be paid...
As far as i see it there are some issues with payment methods i'll agree but how can anyone justify us not having to pay for this kind of stuff. Its exactly what this game needs to keep it interesting and its being made by people who do it for their job, not voluntarily.

I just figure why some people think we shouldn't have to pay for this, I mean thanks to it being online only content the price is reduced to probably the cheapest form of expansion of content you've ever seen.

/rant over :p

I'm quite content to listen to people give their reasons for and against what i've said but I just can't concieve how it could be justified any other way. Disscuss...


Why rant, you aren't seeing it from the other side. If you came from the old school 1942,BFV, you would understand. The games had less bugs, cause they just didnt rush it out like they do now.
We got alot of content, map packs etc free from them after the game.
The past EA games have cause alot of problems with people. Pay to beta test a game is not right at all.
If they didnt rush to release a buggy *** game, then I am sure people wouldnt be bitching as much.
EA's is all about the money and not for the customers anymore. The stupid rank and stat system screwed everything up from the map makers. You was able to get some awesome map packs and people would play them, cause it didn't matter if it was a "ranked" game.
Not enough people will play mod's, they rather get some precious stats on a ranked server.
Unless you going to do a total expansion pack like SF, then these lame packs should be free. Cause all you are doing is paying for unlocks basically. EA's is smart, they know they will get the money cause ppl will want the unlocks. They can care less 3 new buggy maps and some vehicles.

[gamefoo]

*puts up fire ward*

Pay for patches is fun!

*braces for incoming*

[Jiey]

Im gunna buy it fo shizz.
It was said officially somewhere that it is gunna cost same as bf2 boosters?
Anyway. why dont all you people who want it free. Come and give me your car/house/pet submarine.. for free?

WHAT A smack tard

[cKerensky]

Free content is made for games, where the developers are sure more people would buy it. Its why Valve can make do with making free content for Counter Strike, people are still buying HL2.

I don't think the vast majority of the BP fanboys realize why most people don't like the idea of paying for the booster pack: We're not being given nearly enough content to justify the price they're charging. They gave us a VERY small game to begin with, charge us full price, throw in ads, and then tell us that, instead of the legendary BF1942 and Vietnam support and free addons, we're stuck with BF2 style boosterpacks.

Battlefield 1942 MADE this line of games, BF1942 kept players coming back for more BECAUSE of the free stuff. Jon Everyman will NOT buy the booster pack.

Its a brilliant model, though, because most people think 10 dollars isnt much, and figure 'hey, why not.' Its not worth 10 bucks. So you, my friends, gave into the EA money machine.

I'll stick with my Vanilla 2142, and I'll just kill you with my non BP kits, and jack your stuff, and you'll see me laughing over your corpse over how you spent 10 bucks, and I didnt.

[Merlin]

I think after six months they should release a new (free) map pack make by community members. That way what the general community wants makes it into the game, and secondly EA have to spend very little money as they didnt make it.

[Darktater]

I feel I have gotten my money's worth out of this game. I paid $45 for the game, and currently I have about 65 hours playing time. That is only $.75 an hour. I know I haven't played much compared to most of the people out there, but to me it is worth it.

I shell out $8-9 to go see a 2 hour movie. That is a lot seeing as how you can buy the DVD when it comes out for the price of 2 movie tickets.

All this to say that the price of the game for the amount of entertainment I have gotten is well worth it. The more I play the cheaper the entertainment gets.

[snuggnads]

LoL im sorry wasnt the whole ingame ads there for this reason?

From what I have seen ingame, there weren't too many takers on the advertising. Besides EA/Dice's own ingame ads, I've seen Intel & Discovery Channel and not many of those. That's it.

[Deady]

I've seen this debate a lot.

Yes in the past, we used to get free maps and addons from the developers for other games such as Unreal Tournament.

But this is 2007, and i'm afraid you're dealing with EA.

Complaining about it on the forums won't change their business plan, and you'll only get flamed by rabid supporters who think a couple of new maps and vehicles for £10 is a bargain.

The only thing you can do is just *not buy it*. If it's any consolation, most servers end up running vanilla anyway, since not enough people buy the boosters, and judging by the FAQ on this forum, the new unlocks will be open to all anyway (If EA wanted to really squeeze money out of you, they'd make the unlocks NS users only)

[GunHappyBob]

I've seen this debate a lot.

Yes in the past, we used to get free maps and addons from the developers for other games such as Unreal Tournament.

But this is 2007, and i'm afraid you're dealing with EA.

Complaining about it on the forums won't change their business plan, and you'll only get flamed by rabid supporters who think a couple of new maps and vehicles for £10 is a bargain.

The only thing you can do is just *not buy it*. If it's any consolation, most servers end up running vanilla anyway, since not enough people buy the boosters, and judging by the FAQ on this forum, the new unlocks will be open to all anyway (If EA wanted to really squeeze money out of you, they'd make the unlocks NS users only)

If enough people aren't buying the booster then why does EA still make them? Do you really know what your talking about. They probably make millions off of boosters. The unlocks will be for NS players only unless you kill me and take my kit. If you want something for "FREE" move to canada where you can get some "FREE" healthcare. Just plan to wait a while.

[Natt]

Bp's are a waste of time, they didn't work in BF2 so they wont work in 2142.
I'll wait a couple of weeks longer and buy Quakewars instead.

[Sir. AAK625]

Are you having a laugh?

This thread is aimed towards the few individuals i've noticed that seem to believe we deserve this kind of stuff for free.

This isn't an mmo people, all the stuff coming in this booster pack was made after the game was released, for what reason shouldn't the people who designed it be paid...
As far as i see it there are some issues with payment methods i'll agree but how can anyone justify us not having to pay for this kind of stuff. Its exactly what this game needs to keep it interesting and its being made by people who do it for their job, not voluntarily.

I just figure why some people think we shouldn't have to pay for this, I mean thanks to it being online only content the price is reduced to probably the cheapest form of expansion of content you've ever seen.

/rant over :p

I'm quite content to listen to people give their reasons for and against what i've said but I just can't concieve how it could be justified any other way. Disscuss...

Fall into a very deep hole.

There's no point in trying to convince you of why it should be free, so I'll just leave it at that.

[Alaz]

Fall into a very deep hole.

There's no point in trying to convince you of why it should be free, so I'll just leave it at that.

EA is a corporate business who wants money, they paid people to design more of a game... simple as that, they paid so we have to pay. If it were one map or a fix yeah it should be free, but its not. It is in fact multiple maps,unlocks,skins, modes etc.

Its pretty simple tbh...

[Sir. bzb]

The in game ad system should dictate free new content as it would keep the game fresh and hence cause it to be played over a longer period of time meaning the development cost could be off set against that revenue in the longer term.
However we all decided to ***** about IGA.

[Xtreme]

for some reason i forsee all future BF games from EA on a monthly subscrpition service....some fee you pay monthly tp play....anyone else see this comming down the road?

[fshy94]

If so they can count out a potential customer. I H8 P2P games.

[Sir. bzb]

If so they can count out a potential customer. I H8 P2P games.

But BF2 and 2142 are meant to be played over a long period of time, time is money and EA have to cover the ongoing running cost of the game somehow. The game itself doesnt cost more than any other game so how do they cover the ongoing cost? We dont like IGA or the idea of booster packs so i do have to agree with Xtreme in thinking that at some point we will make the decision for EA that games such as this should be funded via a subscription.

[Sir. Elxx]

for some reason i forsee all future BF games from EA on a monthly subscrpition service....some fee you pay monthly tp play....anyone else see this comming down the road?

Yep, unfortunately microtransactions are the wave of the future for EA. They're even charging for cheat codes on 360 now. So incredibly stupid, yet idiots will just keep buying it and soon enough we'll be paying $2.99 for each unlock in Battlefield 3.

Anybody remember BF1942? Those were the days, we got new maps in the patches, official mod tools were released, and Dice actually cared. Now we're all getting rammed up the arse and everybody's too busy statwhoring to even realize it. :(

[BIFF EXPLODER]

hey guys, i just recieved a mail from EAgiving me a discount code for 15$ on their EA storebecause of my birthday wich is still 21 days away, does that mean that if the pack is 15$ or less i can get it for free?

[Deady]

If enough people aren't buying the booster then why does EA still make them? Do you really know what your talking about. They probably make millions off of boosters. The unlocks will be for NS players only unless you kill me and take my kit. If you want something for "FREE" move to canada where you can get some "FREE" healthcare. Just plan to wait a while.

You are quite an angry person.

People *do* buy the booster, thats of course why they keep making them. But in BF2 the majority of servers still ran vanilla BF2.

[Alaz]

The in game ad system should dictate free new content as it would keep the game fresh and hence cause it to be played over a longer period of time meaning the development cost could be off set against that revenue in the longer term.
However we all decided to ***** about IGA.

Yes maybe... if the in game advertisements work, as it is right now a substantial portion of the gamers, myself included see no ads at all... what companies are willing to pay for in game ads that may or may not be seen? Hence I think you'll find they've made very little money from in game ads... its been a rather large blunder actually. Makes me laugh at all the fuss people made over it when we first heard of it.

[Vreki]

But BF2 and 2142 are meant to be played over a long period of time, time is money and EA have to cover the ongoing running cost of the game somehow. The game itself doesnt cost more than any other game so how do they cover the ongoing cost? We dont like IGA or the idea of booster packs so i do have to agree with Xtreme in thinking that at some point we will make the decision for EA that games such as this should be funded via a subscription.

What ongoing cost is that? If we are talking about patches, then I am not keen on the idea of paying them extra because they failed to test the game properly.

Servers are run by the community, so their only expense would be the login/ranking server.

Don't they already get a fee for the ranked servers that should cover that?

Besides maybe they should consider placing their ads in free, sponsored boosters, instead of in the game that we already have paid for.

[Alaz]

We shouldn't have to pay for patches because all they're doing is bringing the game up to the level of standards it was supposed to have at launch, which is why the majority of patch fixes are just that, fixes for issues/bugs.

[Sepp_Dietrich]

The new content (As well as all future content) will not be free because enough people purchased EF and AF to prove to EA that the community is willing to pay for additional content.

It's all about revenue, and people buying these packs contribute revenue to EA's bottom line numbers,so don't expect free content when the bottom line is the name of the game.

[Casper]

I do not care about the money. I got SF, EF, and AF. My issue is that after a couple weeks, I had nobody else to play EF or AF with. This is not the Sims where it is all offline and EA can sell a ton of little booster packs. We need other players to play with us or this whole thing falls apart.

They need to charge more for the game up front or make it so all players need the booster to play on ranked servers and conitnue to get patched. Or hell pay for it with the ad money. Do something guys, but please do not leave those of us who buy it hanging out to dry like you did with EF and AF. I still to this day cannot find a game. :(

[trappedinabox]

It's not that I'm not buying it beacause of the cost, its because of the unfair advantage that will ruin the balance of the game. THe IDS is like a portable UAV and the longer lasting camo? Christ.

[LahLahSr]

Nothing in this industry is ever truly free. If this expansion pack came without any additional payments it still wouldn't be free, it would be included in the price you paid for the game.

It has nothing to do with deserve or not deserve - it has to do with cost-benefit. There could be many conceivable reasons for EA to release this without further payment and there could be an equal number of reason to charge for it - but none of these reasons would even remotely have anything to do with deserving or not.

[Vreki]

It's not that I'm not buying it beacause of the cost, its because of the unfair advantage that will ruin the balance of the game. THe IDS is like a portable UAV and the longer lasting camo? Christ.

It might ruin the balance between classes, but I don't think it will be an issue between NS owners and the rest.

The new unlocks will be available to everybody as field upgrades, so it shouldn't take long to get a couple of favourites unlocked.

[Elinombrable]

agre...and the IDS have an small radious (so this wont be a godly item).

[Thy-Tormentor]

Just enough to keep my walker safe from RDX'es. :)

[Lt. Orth]

And whats with all the Beta testers saying 'We should get this game free', wtf? Yeah, thats alot of free games and almost no profit, they got their profit, they got to play the game free of charge for a long time, they were providing almost no service, 'omg I found a bug, I should get this game free', no offense, JUST PAY THE 10 $, stop whining.

[trappedinabox]

It might ruin the balance between classes, but I don't think it will be an issue between NS owners and the rest.

The new unlocks will be available to everybody as field upgrades, so it shouldn't take long to get a couple of favourites unlocked.

I guess it will encourage some more squadplay then. :D

[siiix]

Mate, nothing comes free these days.......
I'll buy booster anyway( as long as it's under $50AUS)
cheers

err no "nothing FROM EA is FREE" its the correct way
most other games have free content from the maker not just the comunity

i have money my self, still i find it very odd that EA do not even release a damn map pack, just this 1 lame booster after the next - well 1 every 6 month or so