Using a CHEAT does not make you a HACKER!

[WarGimp]

This little issue bugs the hell out of me.
A "Hacker" is often a term of respect amongst the codie crowd. It means you are able to find clever ways to do things that you shouldn't be able to do.

There's NOTHING clever about buying a hack from some slimeball who doesn't care that it is IMPOSSIBLE to make a 100% undetectable hack. Those cheat makers will lie to you outright, of course. They'll say all sorts of BS 'cause what exactly are you going to do about it when you find you've been detected and banned? Sue him? Fat chance.

It's not even a hard thing to do to make game cheats. Compared to all the work it takes to make the game itself, writing a cheat is about as intellectually challenging as taking a dump in your pants (and is about at the same level of social sophistication).

So ENOUGH with this mis-use of the term!
Call a spade a spade and a cheater a sucker, a tard, a useless half-wit, loser, and/or a waste of perfectly good carbon.

As for they guys that write this crap, let's just hope they get their karmic rewards in the form of a large truck... and that they take a long time to die... painfully... with lots of screaming and crying.

/RANT

[MachineMadness]

does it really matter? im still going to call them a hacker.

So your ranting about... people who are calling them hackers when they are called cheaters.... rite

[NoseKi||s]

Good point. Hadn't really thought about it. Fourtunately i've used the right term so far... not that i've needeed it that much.

And MachineMadness, i think it's important to use the correct terms about different things to avoid confusion. If you call a cheater a hacker, someone might think that you have some amount of respect towards these dimwits and their creativity. You don't want that to happen now do you?

[RYKUU]

i completly agree with you
war gimp i hope others can to

[nadicus]

I understand what you are saying. However, the common, general consensus calls them hackers even though everyone knows they are just cheaters.

But would it be correct to call someone a hacker who made their own cheat?
Someone who didn't buy it?

[LahLahSr]

A well-wrttien and pertinent post that also happens to be true - nicely done.

Unwittingly I have avoided falling into the semantic misuse of the word, as they are all merely SCUM to me.

Cheers :-)

[WarGimp]

does it really matter?

Not really.
I felt like posting something edifying and this is what I came up with.
:p

im still going to call them a hacker.

Ah, the 'ol "I've been wrong for so long that I'll choose to remain wrong" argument.
Nice one. Hope it works for ya.
A question, tho; How does all the water stay in the oceans if the world is flat? Wouldn't it all run off the edges?

So your ranting about... people who are calling them hackers when they are called cheaters.... rite
Glad you agree.
But would it be correct to call someone a hacker who made their own cheat?
Someone who didn't buy it?
Technically, yes... but I would likely go with the much more accurate term: Piece of S:censored:t.

[nadicus]

Piece of S**t.



So true!


I also like c**k face

[Metalman223344]

i found this rant to be a uproaring good time i give it 2 hacks and a glitch up :D

[LahLahSr]

Lol..

[WarGimp]

Hehe

Glad some of ya are havin fun with this one.
;)

[Kurt]

does it really matter? im still going to call them a hacker.

So your ranting about... people who are calling them hackers when they are called cheaters.... rite

I know this sounds petty but I tend to agree with the guy who started this thread. The term "hacker" does not necessarily have negative connotations whereas the term "cheater" obviously does.

Calling them a hacker kind of gives them an air of mystique, whereas all they've done is slapped down their $20 or whatever to those lame cheat companies and installed whatever you install. That doesn't make them a hacker, that makes them a pathetic little di*kless cheater.

[nadicus]

a pathetic little di*kless cheater.


AHH, yes one more time!!

[WarGimp]

Just 'cause we're on the subject of how sad (and stupid) cheaters are, I thought you guys might find this amusing;

The R2 guys (of whom I'm still a member) still fun a BF2 server. They're rather good at busting hackers. I can say in all authority that anyone who says there is a such thing as an undetectable hack is ether lying or stupid.

Check this out: http://files.filefront.com/sLiCk121wmv/;6687526;;/fileinfo.html

That dude ain't playin BF2 anymore.
He might switch to 2142, but sooner or later another he'll play on the wrong server and a admin will catch him.

Ain't it great?
:)

[MachineMadness]

Ah, the 'ol "I've been wrong for so long that I'll choose to remain wrong" argument.
Nice one. Hope it works for ya.

cheaters/hackers are in the same bin, so i aint wrong, infact no one is, they all suck and both terms have a very similiar terminology.

who cares, they suck anyway

[Buttoneer]

I agree with the sentiment Wargimp, but in-game it's much more fun to type "OMFG Hax!!!!111" than "I put it to you, Sir, that you are a cheat and a liar!"

[TB-303]

Who gives a toss. Both hackers and cheaters are scum of the earth when it comes to multiplayer...

[MachineMadness]

I agree with the sentiment Wargimp, but in-game it's much more fun to type "OMFG Hax!!!!111" than "I put it to you, Sir, that you are a cheat and a liar!"


hehe true

[BrotherWill]

A "Hacker" is often a term of respect amongst the codie crowd. It means you are able to find clever ways to do things that you shouldn't be able to do.And therein lies the problem. An act of disrespect being respected. Isn't this kind of like saying "I'm a car thief" and your buddy replies "thats so cool"?

That is the root cause of most of the strife we have in the world today. Take Terrorists for example. There are actually people in the world who believe the US created the Terrorists. That because the US invaded Iraq is what started terrorism. They actually apply credibility to and respect to the terrorists and have even called them freedom fighters. Now theres a true tragic use of the term.

[gurgul]

Hackers inspire problem solutions. Cheaters exploit the problem. It is a matter of intention and purpose. It is a behaviour issue.

Gurgul

[Vreki]

And therein lies the problem. An act of disrespect being respected. Isn't this kind of like saying "I'm a car thief" and your buddy replies "thats so cool"?

That is the root cause of most of the strife we have in the world today. Take Terrorists for example. There are actually people in the world who believe the US created the Terrorists. That because the US invaded Iraq is what started terrorism. They actually apply credibility to and respect to the terrorists and have even called them freedom fighters. Now theres a true tragic use of the term.

Terrorists can be Freedom Fighters, that doesn't mean they are not Terrorists.
But on the other hand, Freedom Fighters has always been labelled Terrorists by those they fight against, so I don't think that analogy is good for much, besides starting a long and heated political discussion ;)

[Elementalist]

Lol. Who gives a dang whether a hacker is offended by misuse of the term?!

May as well worry about the feelings of a pimp when some rapper calls themselves that because they have an entourage of women.

I've been in the IT industry for many years and hackers are just jumped-up versions of vandals, graffiti 'artists' and burglars.

Hacker breaks into a government system: Is this: -
a) An admirable case of 'sticking it to the man' and bucking the evil system?
b) A bored teenager showing off and getting into immature mischief?
c) A socially irresponsible criminal causing damage that causes hard-earned taxes to be re-routed from health system, education system, etc.

Hacker modifies Battlefield 2142 so he has an edge over others. Is this: -
a) An admirable case of 'sticking it to the man' and bucking the evil system?
b) A bored teenager showing off and getting into immature mischief?
c) A badly adjusted drop-kick who doesn't have the mental capacity to appreciate that playing on a level field is a greater challenge and using their brains to play alongside others and develop advanced tactics is more rewarding.

Before we glorify 'hacking' why not have a think about what it really is and why people do it.

[Vreki]

Lol. Who gives a dang whether a hacker is offended by misuse of the term?!

May as well worry about the feelings of a pimp when some rapper calls themselves that because they have an entourage of women.

I've been in the IT industry for many years and hackers are just jumped-up versions of vandals, graffiti 'artists' and burglars.

Hacker breaks into a government system: Is this: -
a) An admirable case of 'sticking it to the man' and bucking the evil system?
b) A bored teenager showing off and getting into immature mischief?
c) A socially irresponsible criminal causing damage that causes hard-earned taxes to be re-routed from health system, education system, etc.

Hacker modifies Battlefield 2142 so he has an edge over others. Is this: -
a) An admirable case of 'sticking it to the man' and bucking the evil system?
b) A bored teenager showing off and getting into immature mischief?
c) A badly adjusted drop-kick who doesn't have the mental capacity to appreciate that playing on a level field is a greater challenge and using their brains to play alongside others and develop advanced tactics is more rewarding.

Before we glorify 'hacking' why not have a think about what it really is and why people do it.

c) and c).

While the term hacker may have had another meaning back in the 70´s, today its meaning to most of the population is "IT vandal". Language changes, and fighting it is a losing battle.

[Badboris_uk]

And therein lies the problem. An act of disrespect being respected. Isn't this kind of like saying "I'm a car thief" and your buddy replies "thats so cool"?

That is the root cause of most of the strife we have in the world today. Take Terrorists for example. There are actually people in the world who believe the US created the Terrorists. That because the US invaded Iraq is what started terrorism. They actually apply credibility to and respect to the terrorists and have even called them freedom fighters. Now theres a true tragic use of the term.

Wrong end of the stick buddy.

The USA did create the terrorists. It is well documented that the CIA went to great lengths to fund and arm the fledgeling Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan when they were fighting the soviets.... Where did you thing tose 1980s stinger missiles they were firing at US warplanes during the Initial battles agains the Taleban came from?

Furthermore, cast your eyes to Northern Ireland... It is no coincidence that Gerry Adams + chums hace been seeking peace after September 11th... It is due to the fact that the flow of money from private donors in the USA to the republican separatist cause suddenly dried up once you yanks realised what it was like to have people blowing up chunks of your country for a change.

USA invading Iraq hasn't created anything, its just made a small problem into a much, much bigger one.

[BrotherWill]

Lol! See what I mean. Its mind boggling. They have such a twisted view of the world they can even justify terrorism and twist facts and history. Lol!

[Buttoneer]

Before we glorify 'hacking' why not have a think about what it really is and why people do it.

I saw a documentary once which had this girl in it who looked just like a young Angelina Jolie and a guy who looked a lot like Shaggy in the Scooby Doo movie who managed to prevent millions of gallons of oil being tipped into the worlds oceans when someone (who was actually responsible for network security) decided to try and extort money from the oil company.

So don't you tell me hackers are bad, they're actually socially responsible and good people. God bless them all.

[BrotherWill]

I saw a documentary once which had this girl in it who looked just like a young Angelina Jolie and a guy who looked a lot like Shaggy in the Scooby Doo movie who managed to prevent millions of gallons of oil being tipped into the worlds oceans when someone (who was actually responsible for network security) decided to try and extort money from the oil company.

So don't you tell me hackers are bad, they're actually socially responsible and good people. God bless them all.
Did you just say a Disney movie is indeed based on fact and real life events? :laugh:

[nutcrackr]

As far as I'm concerned hacking has become synonymous with cheating. I'm going to keep using it, not to spite you but because everybody knows what I'm talking about.

[Buttoneer]

Did you just say a Disney movie is indeed based on fact and real life events? :laugh:

It's not? :cry:

[WarGimp]

I saw a documentary once which had this girl in it who looked just like a young Angelina Jolie and a guy who looked a lot like Shaggy in the Scooby Doo movie who managed to prevent millions of gallons of oil being tipped into the worlds oceans when someone (who was actually responsible for network security) decided to try and extort money from the oil company.

So don't you tell me hackers are bad, they're actually socially responsible and good people. God bless them all.
Lol!

Yeah... Pop culture and the farqed up icons it creates, eh?

When I say "hacker" I mean someone who is good at finding those clever little bits of code that get things done that weren't supposed to be do-able.

When the media-educated masses hear "hacker" they think iconic and romanticized punk (but good natured) kids.

When an IT guy hears "hacker" he usually thinks you mean "script kidy"... those dweebs that buy/download "hack" tools to take advantage of known exploits in OSes.

When a straight programmer hears "hacker" he thinks "slacker". Prolly someone who'll get fired off the project before long... but instead ends up saving the codie's arse. Repeatedly.

When a hacker hears the term "hacker" he thinks, "Naw. I'm not that good".

Point is, none of those people here "hacker" and think "cheater". They all have their notions of what a hacker is and all of them are several pegs up the social ladder from these losers that buy "hacks".

(Btw, some of you are taking this thread too seriously. Chill. Laugh. Make fun. It's good for the soul)

[Vreki]

Lol!


When a straight programmer hears "hacker" he thinks "slacker". Prolly someone who'll get fired off the project before long... but instead ends up saving the codie's arse. Repeatedly.



You live in the past :)

And that kind of "hacks" you mentions there will always come back and bite you in the ***.
I have seen a lot of clever tricks disintegrate as soon as the environment changes a bit, and it is usually an unmaintainable mess that only the "hacker" himself can keep alive.
I really hope that BF2142 are free of all kinds of hacks, both the l337 ones and the wargimp ones ;)

[Badboris_uk]

Lol! See what I mean. Its mind boggling. They have such a twisted view of the world they can even justify terrorism and twist facts and history. Lol!

Try actually looking it up mate - I am not telling you anything that isn't instantly verifiable using a google search, as it has been proved through journalism and academia a long time ago. I take it you have not seen the video of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein, patting him on the back and calling him "Our man in the middle east"?

Fact is, you lot play with other people's politics without thinking, and whinge when the guys you use to play realpolitik with come back and bite you on the arse.

If you want to argue politics, try actually looking for your information rather than having it given to you. For example the video of the US A-10 strafing a british convoy which was leaked after the Pentagon claimed "it didn't exist" for 3 years, that has been headline news in the UK for 3 days now but in the USA was buried deep in the 'foreign news' pages.

[Vreki]

Could we please move the Terrorist discussion to the Off Topic subforum?

It will end in a flame war which gets locked anyway, no need to drag this discussion down with it.

[*FMJ*Power]

hacker.....possesses skills in coding and just plain mischievous pc stuff


haxor......some no skill tard with 20 bucks to blow on a code someone else made that also included a bunch of serial hijackers and when they go to update windows they discover their serial was already sold to the highest bidder.

[[BIA]Flakstar]

if they would describe cheat creators as crackers, i´m happy. a hacker is something difffernt. when a hacker finds a bug/exploit in a software, he/she´ll report them to the creators of the software and WONT abuse the bug. in the early 70ies every programmer called him self a hacker, a code hacker.

so a hacker cant be a cheater. since more and more people, who got no technical background and knowledge, joined the net, the term hacker is often used when they mean cracker (very often in the normal press, in professional IT magazine this doesnt happens, cause the guys know the difference).

but this is an endless disscusion...

[WarGimp]

I really hope that BF2142 are free of all kinds of hacks, both the l337 ones and the wargimp ones ;)
Oh... thar be hack here Jonny.
;)

Why do you think there's unexpected behavior in things like missile tracking?

[Vreki]

Oh... thar be hack here Jonny.
;)

Why do you think there's unexpected behavior in things like missile tracking?

Because of bugs, but you don't need hacks to get those.

Even if the bugs are big enough to have had a role in Starship Troopers ;)

[*FMJ*Power]

Even if the bugs are big enough to have had a role in Starship Troopers ;)


and Denise Richards smoking hot body!!!

[Badboris_uk]

I preferred the ginger one, denise richards is not a touch on her. Denise Richards is pretty, sure, but she is too "high-school beauty queen" ish, the ginger one was more like a proper woman.

[Deesies]

words have different meanings. This is one of them.

[Vreki]

I preferred the ginger one, denise richards is not a touch on her. Denise Richards is pretty, sure, but she is too "high-school beauty queen" ish, the ginger one was more like a proper woman.

Dizzy? I heard that she used to be a man.

[*FMJ*Power]

Dina Meyer but shes been looking kinda rough lately.......she was in saw 3 i think as of recently, shes the female cop in all the saws.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000539/

[Badboris_uk]

Dina Meyer but shes been looking kinda rough lately.......she was in saw 3 i think as of recently

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000539/

Poor lass, her latest film is Decoys 2: Alien Seduction.

I still think shes hot though

[*FMJ*Power]

hehe, i didn't say i would kick her out of my bed....hehehehe

[HG_Eliminator]

Originally th term "Hacker" was refering to Computer guru's who found new and intreguing ways to write or rewrite code... most used for altering programs or hashing security...reveared in the 100101 circles as cool...it was mostly a positive term because at that time most Hackers werent out to cause trouble .. just showing off their smarts.



Today the term has evolved "slang style" to include anybody who uses a Hacked file and or program to achive a result not intended by the original coders... today the term is generally used in a negative fashion.."those who cheat/break the law using "hacks"

while it may not be the original meaning, the Dictionary has evolved and been rewritten to add these "other" meanings as they become standard use . remember "GAY" at one time just meant happy....long before most of todays generation were gleams in their folks eyes... ;)

my term for a "cheating" hacker, is the same as my term for a "cheating" glitcher... which is not appropriate for these forums, A sailor would blush......:evil:

[Sir. bzb]

I think Wargimp is sadly mistaken. The term hacker used in reference to a cheat is the inevitably internet shortend form of Wall Hacker (hack meaning as if they have taken an axe to wall in order to see throught it rather than meaning they can program a computer) which is a cheat. In CS it did used to be quite a popular apparent cheat to suggest someone was wall hacking and hence the shortened version hacker came to encompass general cheating.

The correct English evolution of the term should be 'hacker rather than hacker but this is the intyweb. Hence hacker can have a duality of meaning depending on how the word is applied.

[HG_Eliminator]

I think Wargimp is sadly mistaken. The term hacker used in reference to a cheat is the inevitably internet shortend form of Wall Hacker (hack meaning as if they have taken an axe to wall in order to see throught it rather than meaning they can program a computer) which is a cheat. In CS it did used to be quite a popular apparent cheat to suggest someone was wall hacking and hence the shortened version hacker came to encompass general cheating.

The correct English evolution of the term should be 'hacker rather than hacker but this is the intyweb. Hence hacker can have a duality of meaning depending on how the word is applied.


not sure what CS is, but "Hacker" being used as a derogatory term for a "cheat utilizing a hacked file or program" has been around for over a decade . "you can thank Main stream News and a few Jerk coders for the term's meaning being misconstrued...


Time line:

The 80"s: "hacker" refered to techys who wrote and altered code to either enhace or change a computer or programs functionality or to circumvent security protocalls...usually for fun and with no malicious intent. Usually these Hackers or techys were self taught and very brilliant at having a computer do things it wasent intened for .. many of todays programs came from these Code inovators...


The 90's - Current Day: "Hacker" started being referd to as any one who used, wrote and or altered files/programs to cause problems and or break law/cheat.

Once the PC became popular in the mid 90's and E mail hit it big .. many "Hackers" seemed to switch to malicious intent.. AKA viruses,etc... and with PC's gaining popularity the bad hackers started falling in to main stream.. News...thus giving the popular misenomer of "hacker"= bad.


few actually know of "the fun non malicious hacker" of old and have only heard of the malicious hackers of recent popularity...

I remember when lines of code was the only form of computer language there was..200 lines of code to get a darn square ball to bounce across a screen...
but back then tape drives were reel to reel and punch cards were "NEW tech.

[Revoluti0n]

does it really matter? im still going to call them a hacker.

So your ranting about... people who are calling them hackers when they are called cheaters.... rite

What the gimp was trying to convey to you and the other forum goer's is that the term hacker is used to describe someone that has an obvious education be it self taught or formalized through an institute of higher learning. This person has the ability to perform a complex series of procedures on computer software that is not necessarily the intended initial use.

A cheater on the other hand, is a lameassed punk that has little if any natural intelligence, even if one were to attempt to educate this individual there would be no hope. How difficult is it to buy software, install it and run it? If you are able to read any written language, that is about the extent of the brain power required.

The term for your post however is called, "ignorance".

[« R²» HKS]

Somehow Gimpy I think this post is directed towards me and my incorrect use of the term :laugh: The funny thing is PsB forums, if you try and call someone a hacker or hacking it automatically changes it to cheater or cheating. :laugh: I guess they share your opinion also.

But hey where's the fun and melodrama in calling someone a cheater. It sounds much better calling them a hacker and the BF community understands what then has been going on.

[parish]

As for they guys that write this crap, let's just hope they get their karmic rewards in the form of a large truck... and that they take a long time to die... painfully... with lots of screaming and crying.
I really hope your kidding Gimp. Someone who "hacks" a video game certainly does not deserve to die in real life for it. For some reason, this comment really bothers me. I won't even get into how there are more suitable people for this harsh end... pedophiles, rapists etc.

Parhaps you need to take a break from gaming if you really think this way, or go talk to a shrink. Get help dude.

[Fakkamajakka]

So ENOUGH with this mis-use of the term!
Call a spade a spade and a cheater a sucker, a tard, a useless half-wit, loser, and/or a waste of perfectly good carbon.

Okay, but there's cheaters that use hacks and cheaters who use exploits.

So we call them hackers and exploiters.

I suppose we could call them "hack users" and "exploit users" but it doesn't have the same ring and when you're screaming "HE'S A FARKING HACKER! BAN HIS ***!" you get caught up in the moment.

[Fakkamajakka]

I really hope your kidding Gimp. Someone who "hacks" a video game certainly does not deserve to die in real life for it. For some reason, this comment really bothers me. I won't even get into how there are more suitable people for this harsh end... pedophiles, rapists etc.

Parhaps you need to take a break from gaming if you really think this way, or go talk to a shrink. Get help dude.

True. They deserve to be cheated on.

[HG_Eliminator]

hack users,exploit users, as well as the other low life scum of the world ..
GET OFF MY PLANET!!!!! :p

[The Gatekeeper]

To me, hackers are the kids that just like messing up a game with cheats so he can be the ultimate in destruction and can kill by just looking at something. They just want to have fun and buy the cheat books to do so because they feel there is no cheats in the game.

Parents, Teach your kids that cheating (even in a video game) is wrong! Try teaching them ethics, principals and morals!

[HG_Eliminator]

Parents, buy offline games with plenty of cheats for your kids next time!


it should be ... Parents: teach your kids that Cheating even on just a video game is still wrong... its called ETHICS, principals, morals,, which it seems, is becoming more rare every day....

[BrotherWill]

Try actually looking it up mate - I am not telling you anything that isn't instantly verifiable using a google search, as it has been proved through journalism and academia a long time ago. You mean the same Google search that blocks any website the Chinese government finds disagreeable? Yeah, very reliable source there guy. Perhaps you meant the same scholars in our schools who are 80%+ Liberal and Bush haters. Theres another unbiased source for you. Ever occur to you that I have done some homework? Not the kind where I type something into Google and believe the first thing I read. I actually look at the facts and make my own dedcutions. Secondly, being as I've been to Iraq twice, I also have personal experience and firsthand knowledge, as well as a view of both sides and I can unequivocably tell you that a terrorist will cut your head off all the while your patting him on the back and calling him a freedom fighter. So, pat away. Thats why God created natural selection.

[TigerRei]

I still prefer saying 'Hax!' than saying 'Crax!'

[blitzerlover]

cheats are gay

[WarGimp]

Somehow Gimpy I think this post is directed towards me and my incorrect use of the term :laugh: The funny thing is PsB forums, if you try and call someone a hacker or hacking it automatically changes it to cheater or cheating. :laugh: I guess they share your opinion also.

Naw... the way you Assies say "Hacker" always sounds amusing (hacka), especially when you're irate. :p

Didn't know that about the PsB forums. Cute word filter.

Even Balance makes a good example of a group of hackers doing something positive. By definition, almost everything they do is without planning or foresight. They react to vulnerabilities and hack their code into dealing with new problems.

[Mongo Only Pawn]

I know this sounds petty but I tend to agree with the guy who started this thread. The term "hacker" does not necessarily have negative connotations whereas the term "cheater" obviously does.

Calling them a hacker kind of gives them an air of mystique, whereas all they've done is slapped down their $20 or whatever to those lame cheat companies and installed whatever you install. That doesn't make them a hacker, that makes them a pathetic little di*kless cheater.


I disagree. Being a 'hacker' to me IS negative. Hackers are the ones who bust into some database and get social security and credit card numbers. Hackers sent gifts in the forms of viruses and worms and whatnot. So that to me is clearly a negative connotation. When was the last time we heard about a 'good' hacker? Some things in the English language just become interchangeable and eventually the meaning of the word becomes different.

Gay? 40 years ago, if I called you gay (happy), you'd tell me that sure, I'm gay - I just got a raise from work! Today, if I called you gay, well, not so much. Now it means homosexual.

Anyway, as far as BF2142 is concerned, they're interchangable. Hackers/Cheats - both are the same thing. Scum.

[Mongo Only Pawn]

So don't you tell me hackers are bad, they're actually socially responsible and good people. God bless them all.


HA HA HA HA!!!!!!


....socially responsible. Uh huh. I truly hope that was an attempt at sarcasm...

[WarGimp]

BWAAHAAHAHAA!

Check this out: http://www.r2clan.com/Downloads/BF2_Hacker_gets_owned.wmv (Right click, save as).

The R2s manage to prove that cheaters are low-brow knuckle-draggin morons.

Do note the over use of the pop terms "hack" and "hacker". Gonna have to let this one slide, though. It's just TOO DAMNED FUNNY!!

Edit: Be warned that there is some rather harsh language used in that vid I linked... but then again, you don't expect anyone to treat a busted cheater with anything close to civility, do you?

[AlphaNut]

WarGimp for President :D

I think you are absolutely right. I am also tired of this term being misused constantly. But eh, it doesn't really matter after all.

The sound recording was absolutely hilarious! I hope this guy never shows face again.
Way to go R2 :salute:

This has to be one of the worst experience for a squad. You think someone is a good guy, and you let him in to the "family" only to find out he was cheating on you all the time. It makes you question yourself and the trust relationships you build up. Even if it is just gaming it is still some sort of friendship which has been badly abused.
And the pole-licker wasn't even man enough to apologize before he left... It is sickening and I am truly disgusted.


Btw. the negative term for hacker is "Cracker" or "Script kiddie".
The guys who create cheats for games are "Crackers" not hackers.
Any good programmer can be a hacker, but it is usually not him who calls himself a hacker.
It is something other good key-punchers call you if they think you excel in your field of coding.

Building a coffee machine from a toaster = hacking
Go into the forest with your axe = hacking too ;)

[pr3tz3el]

I only read the first three posts in this thread cos I felt that that was enough to get a good idea of where this was going...

I'm just gonna throw in who gives a ****?

Surely you could find a better thing to complain about...

Does it piss you off when people say apm mines?

[AlphaNut]

I only read the first three posts in this thread cos I felt that that was enough to get a good idea of where this was going...

I'm just gonna throw in who gives a ****?

Surely you could find a better thing to complain about...

Does it piss you off when people say apm mines?

And what makes you think that anybody would care about what you have to say after only reading the first three posts?
If you don't have anything to say about a certain subject, then why are you posting?

[RAZE]

I've never been hacked/cheated....

[WarGimp]

WarGimp for President :D

Oh... that is such a scary thought!

Glad yer enjoying the thread 'n that vid.
I think I've watched it 4 or 5 times now... and I was actually on the TS channel when it all went down.

Notice the barb HKS planted involving this thread in the credits?
The man is a genius!
;)

[WarGimp]

Well, the vid I posted above is now on YouTube.
For all you lazy buggers, check it out here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZgY1a6B_tI

[ThirtyOughtSix]

Useing hacks... making them.... WHO CARES. If you use a cheat, it IS a hack to the game, whether you wrote it or not. So calling somebody a hack is really saying they are USING a hack. Even the actual people that wrote them aren't LITERALLY hacking the game at the time they are using them. They write it before hand, then use it while playing. So if they are considered a 'hack' so is anyone else using the 'hack' in my opinion. Of course saying they are 'hacking' is wrong english... but you KNOW what they mean... why be a grammer nazi?

[WarGimp]

In case you missed it, this thread isn't supposed to be taken fully seriously.
It a way of heaping some disrespect on the cheaters without being a cheater hater thread.
;)

Script kiddies and cheaters like to call themselves "hackers" because it sounds better than "worthless losers" because "hacker" has romantic connotations (and even a positive aspect in the industry/codie culture). I simply suggest that we take that away from them.

[« R²» HKS]

Notice the barb HKS planted involving this thread in the credits?
The man is a genius!
;)

:laugh: In fact I considered taking out all references to hacks or hackers and changing it to cheats or cheaters, but decided to keep it just to stir you Gimpy. :laugh: Like the credits :laugh:

[WarGimp]

Suuuuuuure ya did.
:p
Like I say, it's always amusing hearing ya pronounce "hacker" anyway.
So it's all good.
;)

[MachineMadness]

What the gimp was trying to convey to you and the other forum goer's is that the term hacker is used to describe someone that has an obvious education be it self taught or formalized through an institute of higher learning. This person has the ability to perform a complex series of procedures on computer software that is not necessarily the intended initial use.

A cheater on the other hand, is a lameassed punk that has little if any natural intelligence, even if one were to attempt to educate this individual there would be no hope. How difficult is it to buy software, install it and run it? If you are able to read any written language, that is about the extent of the brain power required.

The term for your post however is called, "ignorance".

:rolleyes: oh please, get over it. im just saying to me this post seems a bit of a whine over nothing really.

im going to say it again, does it matter if we call them a hacker instead of cheater?

this argument at me is over the exact terminology of what we should call these hackers/cheaters.

Too me, saying someone is a cheater doest have kick to it as saying hacker, I dont know why but adding the word Fu***** before it, sounds alot more insulting to them.

[AlphaNut]

You will not be able to insult a cheater by calling him hacker.
Because he actually "thinks" he is a hacker...
Throwing the F-Bomb in front of the word will not make a big difference I believe.

Unfortunately, media defaced the term "hacker" to something negative over time, and most people who are relatively new to computers and networking seem to have no problem with adopting this word for everything they find negative.

Anyone remember the news ca. ten years ago about a new virus that was able to blow up your PC? I know a lot of people actually believed this, and I am sure there are still many of them out there prone to such misguidance.

I'd prefer the word loser - sounds good with the F-Bomb too, and might be more an insult to a cheater, because he knows that this is exactly what he is (deep inside his pathetic little soul he knows it);)

[MachineMadness]

You will not be able to insult a cheater by calling him hacker.
Because he actually "thinks" he is a hacker...
Throwing the F-Bomb infront of the word will not make a big difference I believe.

Unfortunatley, media defaced the term "hacker" to something negative over time, and most people who are relatively new to computers and networking seem to have no problem with adopting this word for everything they find negative.

I'd prefer the word loser - sounds good with the F-Bomb too, and might be more an insult to a cheater, because he knows that this is exactly what he is (deep inside his pathetic little soul he knows it);)


i understand what everyone is saying.... but does it matter? lol who gives a rats ***

[AlphaNut]

If you don't care, then why are you discussing it with us?

[MachineMadness]

because im bored and cant play until next week

[AlphaNut]

Ok, that's a reasonable answer lol

[MachineMadness]

:laugh: haha yeah, i keep refreshng the forums every 2 mins... im that bored honestly:laugh:

[WarGimp]

Hey MM...

Ya know, you don't have to take everything on this site quite so seriously.
Do you think I really care that much about what you call these useless f:censored:king little pansies?

Try laughing along a little. It's good for the soul.

The only valid point I'm attempting to raise is that cheaters are most certainly not hackers. They would be script-kiddies by proper definition. Calling them hackers makes them sound "cooler" than they are. They like to think of themselves as hackers. Being a hacker means they're cool in their own little minds.

I know, I know... that point has been gone over back and forth.
Rather than spin our wheels on it, how about coming up with some more interesting names for people like that twink in the vid I posted?

[Vreki]

I know, I know... that point has been gone over back and forth.
Rather than spin our wheels on it, how about coming up with some more interesting names for people like that twink in the vid I posted?

Nice idea. I suppose that it shouldn't look like **** ***** ****! after the forum software has processed it?

I will start: "Intellectually underclocked"

[Ecko]

They are hacking though, hacking is manipulating software in a way it wasn't designed to be used. Using a "Cheat program" is still hacking. Although they didn't code it themselves, they are still utilizing it.

[WarGimp]

Nice idea. I supposed that it shouldn't look like **** ***** ****! after the forum software has processed it?

I will start: "Intellectually underclocked"
Nice.
:cool:

How about "Terminally Pathetic"?

They are hacking though, hacking is manipulating software in a way it wasn't designed to be used. Using a "Cheat program" is still hacking. Although they didn't code it themselves, they are still utilizing it.
Er... I would disagree with you on that.
Rather strongly, in fact.
"Hacker" implies some form of skill or knowledge.
It means writing code, or at least being able to look at code and understand how it can be manipulated.

Someone who downloads an "hack" or cheat application is called a script-kiddie.
In the culture, a script kiddie ranks just slightly below that icky black crap that builds up under a fat man's belt in the summer.

[MachineMadness]

Calling them hackers makes them sound "cooler" than they are. They like to think of themselves as hackers. Being a hacker means they're cool in their own little minds.



i dont get how people come up with that, unless they have hacked them selves or they are a shrink and have councilling sessions with them.

where do you get these assumptions?

[WarGimp]

I was part of the hacker culture literally before you were born, MM.

Pulled my first "hack" when I was 12 and by 14 I was a player in the local cracker community.

I've since retired.

Believe me, the vast majority of people who call themselves "hackers" are no-talent script-kiddies/noobs. "Real" hackers rarely call themselves hackers, unless they are poking fun at themselves.

Besides, what sounds cooler "hacker" or "cheater"?
Hacker makes it sound like you're part of something that's been romanticized in pop culture. Cheater makes you sound like a fart-knocker.