Close combat pin

[badanaesthetic]

I can only get this with the clark shotgun and not the hertzog. Has anyone else managed this or is this by design? They are both shotguns aren't they?

[poisonsoul]

Only the Clark works. I don't know if it's by design or not, but it seems to be kind of moronic in the sense that it's an entire tree before unlocking. However, when you compare it to another pin like the explosives efficiency pin, you'll notice you have unlock the APMs or RDX before you can gain it.

[si-cat]

Tis by design,can only get it with the clarke.Suppose it's because the hertzog is an add-on to an existing weapon.

[TheRealWolfgang]

It's probably the same reason that Herzog kills aren't logged separately from the AR kills. Same with the PK rocket kills which I hear they took out of the stats sheet in 1.2. I don't know if it's by design or not, though...only DICE could tell you that.

~Wolfgang

[Deesies]

rifle attachments only count as kills with the rifle they're attached to, sadly.

[[TW] Alixsar]

The Clark is much better anyway. The Herzog is one of the most disappointing aspects of 2142 if you ask me. It's not good enough to warrant using as a main weapon, and you have to switch weapons to use it. If you could just right click or something and it would work, then that would rock. But changing weapons at close range leaves you really vulnerable.

[The_Eliminator]

Alixsar;268803']The Clark is much better anyway. The Herzog is one of the most disappointing aspects of 2142 if you ask me. It's not good enough to warrant using as a main weapon, and you have to switch weapons to use it. If you could just right click or something and it would work, then that would rock. But changing weapons at close range leaves you really vulnerable.

Dont Agree at all:

1) You can assign the item to correspond with a mouse button if you wish.
2)It has the exact same power, range and damage output as the clark.
3)It fires faster and more consistently than the clark.
4)With the new NS unlock, 4 shots per clip is almost the clark itself.

[TheRealWolfgang]

Dont Agree at all:

1) You can assign the item to correspond with a mouse button if you wish.
2)It has the exact same power, range and damage output as the clark.
3)It fires faster and more consistently than the clark.
4)With the new NS unlock, 4 shots per clip is almost the clark itself.

I think what he meant by only needing to click a mouse button to use it is that you wouldn't technically have to switch weapons to access it, like you have your AR out and you could use left-click to fire regular bullets and middle mouse (or whatever button you assign it to) to fire a Herzog round. As it is, you have to select the Herzog itself to be able to use it, and then you can't use your AR bullets until you switch back to your AR, and the draw-out time on the Herzog is the same (I believe) as that of the AR itself. I can see where he's coming from and it would be cool to have, but it'd probably be a bit overpowered to have a 3 (or 4 now, I guess) round underbarrel shotgun available instantaneously. Although I almost never see Herzoggers (other than myself) as it is now anyway, so maybe he's got a point.

~Wolfgang

[hellR1de]

haha. And I was wondering why I couldn't get it with my thrusty Herzog. Well, I'll have to unlock the clark I suppose :rolleyes:

[karnstein]

Yeah, herzog isn't a bad weapon itself, it only has a hell of a competition with the pistols and the pk rockets.

Unless you screw the defi (which nobody would do) you only can either have the rockets or the herzog.

Herzog has a 3 shot mag (4 with NS, which not everybody will have or could have if he hasn't unlocked the baur) and a draw time of 0.6sec and a freaking reloadtime. Drawtime for pistols is 0.75.

Let's asume we talk about our everyday voss-user. With defi+rockets he has a supreme S&P gun for CQC and the rockets for those firefights with snipers and camping support-guys. Herzog would only give him a "last chance" weapon for cqc. Not that good of a combination.

Baur+herzog sounds nice on the first thought (esp with 4 shots), but even if you're very at countersniping zeller users with single fire to the head the pk rockets are a far more save option (think about FoB around square flag) and with that huge dmg at cqc a baur isn't that bad on burst fire. On top of that you need far less time to reload a baur than the herzog (3 vs 4.5).

herzog is not bad, PK rockets are too good and as a last chance weapon a pistol should be enough.

[Kraxis]

Dont Agree at all:
2)It has the exact same power, range and damage output as the clark.
3)It fires faster and more consistently than the clark.
4)With the new NS unlock, 4 shots per clip is almost the clark itself.

2) As far as I know the Herzog actually needs 2 shots to kill an enemy while the Clark needs only one (we all know ou have to be lucky though).

3) That is true enough, but the limited ammo makes it less viable.

4) Ns is needed, or at least some time invested (Field Unlock).

The Clark is quite simply way better in terms of shotty action. I tried the Herzog before I got to rockets, and it was fun enough, but it simply wasn't worth it. There were too few situations where I would rather use it over the AR, and when I did I usually died rather than my enemy. With the Clark it seems I have a better chance of killing the enemy, and I'm not even that good with it.