2142 Gentleman's (and woman's) Agreement..

[IamFodder]

I came across this on the Tactical Gamers forum and thought this was a pretty good posting and figured I'd share....

http://www.tacticalgamer.com/battlefield-2142-general-discussion/86021-2142-gentlemans-agreement.html

Hello All!

Experiment brought up the old Gentleman's Agreement from BF2 and that reminded me that a lot of the 2142 players have never actually seen it or heard about it. In the theme of my bridging some of the relevant BF2 threads over to this forum, I present the BF2142 Gentleman's Agreement, adapted from the original BF2 one written by StrikeFear.

Remember, some of these are NOT server rules, but rather commitments made by the signers to help enhance the game-play. <content removed... Please see original thread (in link above)for details>.

Battlefield 2142 Gentleman's Agreement

Some rules are enforceable (TKing, joining a squad). Others are not. For those that are not, many have posted our intentions to avoid certain actions which we feel are "cheap" or unfair.

By "signing" this agreement, I hereby commit myself to the actions described below.

Out of respect for my fellow BF2142-player, I

Will not bunny-hop.
Will not bunny-prone hop.
Will not camp spawn points.
Will enter UCBs only to destroy CO assets.
Will respect specialty squad assets (i.e. - not occupying the gunship when a "Gunship" Squad exists).
Will not intentionally engage in suicide tactics, ramming or otherwise.
Will not punish accidental TKs.
Will not Instant Vertical Capture/Neutralize (IVC/N) apparently undefended flags with the Air Transport

Will not occupy a vehicle that has already been claimed by a teammate.
Will not abandon the team's armor assets if the possibility for the other team to immediately steal it exists.
Will not haphazardly make reports of players on TeamSpeak.

NOTES:
3. Taking advantage of a spawner's disorientation. While it may put you at a disadvantage, give the spawner time to get a handle on their surrounding before you shoot at them, such as giving them time to run a certain distance.
5. This point doesn't say you'll never under any circumstances take jets when a jet squad exists. Exceptions exist. It's just saying you'll respect the intention and organization of specialty squads and the assets they are organized around.
6. Stuff happens. OUR stuff is always an accident.
8. If there's no enemy around - that's different. (Why get out?) But if the base is occupied, use the transport and cover-fire vehicle. Have the troops get out and take the flag.
9. This means that if a vehicle already has someone in the gunner seat or is currently under repair by a teammate, you will not jump into the primary seat and drive off with it.
10. Discussions have been made about whether jumping out of healthy armor in battle is a punishable offense. I'm not adding to that discussion here, but am rather just adding another safety net for our players by including it in the Gentleman's Agreement. It has been worded carefully.

<content removed... Please see original thread (in link above)for details>.

one of the other members made this addendum which makes sence...

Signed, but with one addendum:

I agree to not camp spawns except in the following situations:
*When capping a flag, where their sudden appearance is as disorienting to me as their spawning in is to them
*Enemy SL beacons: They should've surveyed the ground while podding in. If they didn't, then my easy kill is their fault.

I will NOT sit back lazilly and camp from a distance. If I'm "Camping" it's b/c I'm on the flag and capping. Or shooting up your SL becon.

I've editied it a bit to remove the clan specific stuff but I signed signed there... and will sign here as well....

[IamFodder]

I hereby digitally sign this "agreement" and will adhere to above statements to the best of my ability.

[Monkmonkman]

Thats the most retarded think I've ever heard.

[IamFodder]

Thats the most retarded think I've ever heard.

If you've ever played on the Tactical Gamer Servers you will find they are the best group of guys to play with... mind you some of the wording needs to be tweaked tho the philosophy is good..

[Monkmonkman]

If you've ever played on the Tactical Gamer Servers you will find they are the best group of guys to play with...

I've played there in BF2, pretty fun, but I prefer to bunnyhop/spawncamp. To me, thats legit play :P

[IamFodder]

I've played there in BF2, pretty fun, but I prefer to bunnyhop/spawncamp. To me, thats legit play :P

well what can I say? You're 16 .. I can't argue with anyone your age.. you guys know too much..

[nadicus]

:rofl:

[MachineMadness]

i disagree with the bunny hop point... i bunny hop when im being shot at and reloading, being shot by a sniper where i cant see them and when a tank/walker is shooting at me.

otherwise i agree

[TheRealWolfgang]

I wouldn't be able to agree with allowing someone to orient themselves after podding down before I can shoot them. Hell, I've played with enough people that try to pod ON TOP of me (when I'm on foot), so rest assured they're ready to kill the instant their gun comes out. Maybe for a newbie this would be a good thing, but giving a veteran a grace period like that is basically giving yourself a free death.

~Wolfgang

[Argh...]

LOL the only thing i agree to is the BFROE a good juicy spawnkilling is fun once in a while and last time i looked all the top clans are jihadding their lil buggies into armour like crazy. Why is camping a flag bad???? My god its a very good tax sometimes to win the game. I cant remember how many times i was 50 clicks in the back then ordering my squad to camp street in cerbere and still win the game.

[Rick Astley]

Meh, I would agree if there was a rule for knife fights.

Like:
If a enemy comes towards you and has his knife pulled out and makes a sort of greeting, like slashing his knife in the air two times. You have to agree with his knife fight, or if you don't want to agree, you need to give him two seconds so he can run and then you can kill him with normal weapons.

[Argh...]

Meh, I would agree if there was a rule for knife fights.

Like:
If a enemy comes towards you and has his knife pulled out and makes a sort of greeting, like slashing his knife in the air two times. You have to agree with his knife fight, or if you don't want to agree, you need to give him two seconds so he can run and then you can kill him with normal weapons.



Hahahaha AMEN!

[kamikaze cow]

Will not occupy a vehicle that has already been claimed by a teammate.

I just love tking those bastards... I know, tking is bad and all, but after you have spent all that time fixing the walker, only for some idiot to steal it... i cant help it, they gotta die... lol

[Mattsville]

With all due respect, no way would I sign this. I am a big believer in if there is something you can do in 2142, then there should be nothing that prevents you from doing it (Glitching and Stat padding obviously not included in this statement).

I'm camping your spawn point? You have a gun and I have a gun. Do something about it.

I'm bunny hopping? Guess what? While I am jumping around like an idiot, I can't shoot you, so steady your aim, pull the trigger and drop me in mid-jump.

I'm camping your SL beacon? Go spawn somewhere else, or be clever and tell your team to wait to spawn and drop 5 or 6 pods at once, instead of one at a time where I can easily pick you off. There is no way I will be able to take out 6 soldiers at once.

The game already has enough checks and balances built in to it, and my personal opinion is that no more rules or play balancing is needed.

Aside from glitching and stat padding, I feel that if you can do something in the game, it's because the designers have designed the game for you to be able to do it.

The way I see it this game simulates war, and in a war you do anything you can to stay alive. Attack the enemy where he doesn't expect you, gang up on him with as much force as you can bring, attack in ways that are unpredictable and hard to defend against.

Jihad jeeping, spawn camping, Air transport ramming, SL beacon camping, APM spamming, sneaking behind enemy lines and setting RDX on their vehicles just waiting for some poor unsuspecting person to jump in and blow them sky high. ANYTHING (short of glitching or hacking) that kills the enemy or keeps him off balance and prevents him from achieving his objectives and supports your team and maybe even lets you live a little while longer is a valid tactic in my book.

Are they cheap tactics? Possibly...

Are they also effective? Absolutely.

Are there strategies that you can employ to defend yourself from each and every one of these cheap tactics? Most definitely!

[WarGimp]

Ya know... I'm a believer in what's doable via the mechanics is legit play... up to a point (ie, when you're exploiting, you know you're exploiting).

Still, I generally follow this agreement as a choice of play style. Most of those "I shalt not" issues just don't mesh with how I personally prefer to play the game. In most cases, anyway.
Thats the most retarded think I've ever heard.
I disagree.

I think I'd have to give that honor to almost anything you post.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

[Mnemnoth]

Sign me up! I hereby Digitally sign as well...

I already play this way so it won't affect my playstyle :)

[RMcLeod]

It's the Geneva Convention of 2142 lol

[MouseNo4]

I have to admit it has good intentions but the overall outcome ruins the game in my opinion.

It goes along with a lot of the rules that servers have, such as spawnraping an uncap even when you have all the other bases. I disagree that this is an offence. Sure its not sportsmanlike to spawnrape an uncap when you havent got all the flags, but not if you have no logical next step other than the enemy uncap.

Will not bunny-hop.
With bunny hopping... if you agree not to bunny hop you may as well just give in to the enemy when they have you in a barrel.

Will not bunny-prone hop.
This is just a bug in the game that shouldnt be there - afaic its an exploit that cant easily be policed.

Will not camp spawn points.
The point of the game is to KILL the enemy - any rules that forbids you doing what your SUPPOSED to do is a null rule afaic.

Will enter UCBs only to destroy CO assets.
Sure i agree that going into the uncap to destroy the assets is a valid tactic but disallowing entry purely because its considered a safe zone for the enemy is just full of crap. However i do agree its just not sportsmanlike to attack the uncap until you have all the other cp's.

Will respect specialty squad assets (i.e. - not occupying the gunship when a "Gunship" Squad exists).
Havent seen these too often so its not a big rule - however the only things i will say is this - i always jump into a gunship if i feel i can get a good gunner to do some real good. Having a squad named gunship does NOT give you exclusive rights to a vehicle - that is just being self-centred.

Will not intentionally engage in suicide tactics, ramming or otherwise.
Another rule that disallows a player from doing what they are there for - killing the enemy, with whatever legal means available. I will agree that its a waste of a transport - but if it manages to take out a tank or walker then by all means do it. However make sure your empty or face the wrath of annoyed players who will have no doubt about pressing the punish key.

Will not punish accidental TKs.
I only punish the accidents that were just plain stupid. Like ramming an air transport into ground in the hope of killing an enemy that is right next to me - hence killing me too. That kind of thing i shall punish for.

Will not Instant Vertical Capture/Neutralize (IVC/N) apparently undefended flags with the Air Transport
This is another REALLY stupid rule. Disallowing a player to capture the cp's with an air transport is really lame. What happens when you capture a cp? Think about it. It can decrease a ticket bleed, cease a ticket bleed, or start/increase an enemy ticket bleed. What happens when you capture a silo? The missile will fire upon your capture! By all means use the transports to capture silo's and cp's.

Will not occupy a vehicle that has already been claimed by a teammate.
At last, one that i agree with. Although i have been known to jump into a team mates vehicle if he is repairing it. BUT only the gunner's seat so that i may guard him whilst he repairs. When its fully repaired i either stay with him or bail and continue on my own. Whilst i am in his vehicle, it is considered 'repairing a teammates vehicle' so he will get a point for it.

Will not abandon the team's armor assets if the possibility for the other team to immediately steal it exists.
The whole point of the game is to kill the enemy and stop him killing you. If this means abandoning a vehicle, say, if you cant move because of a horde of motion mines, then so be it - its better you living to fight someone you can fight than simply giving in and getting killed.

Will not haphazardly make reports of players on TeamSpeak.
Well i havent seen (or heard this so i know nothing of it)

Long list but almost all of them are full of crap.

[Buttoneer]

I think the list is good as long as everyone on the server abides by them and if there is a decent admin around to police them. I'll not sign up to them for as long as I continue to see glitchers glitching, have griefers take out consoles in friendly Titans, get punished for accidental TK's, get killed by transport dumpers, get spawn raped, see knife servers, see EA branded hax sold on the interweb, and until some of the damn bugs get fixed.

[Mnemnoth]

To MouseNo4,

I think your takin' this the wrong way. Of course a lot if not all of these things can't be enforced by admins.

These arn't Server Rules, but personal rules that you PERSONALLY abide by.
No one else has to abide by them and power to them cause thats their choice but others and myself choose to play with 'self percieved honour' for lack of a better term. Doesn't mean we're 'better' or more 'pro' then those that don't its just a personal playstyle.

Please feel free to bunnyhop etc etc like mad when engaged with me but I won't do it back, nor will I complain about you doing it. I might kill you, you might get me... its irrelevant :D

[MouseNo4]

Yes i know its self enforced. I can read you know. I was stating the fact that that list is being employed as a do or ban list for servers these days.

And as for bunnyhopping, i only do it when i cant fight back - eg reloading or out of ammunition. Hell if a tank is about to own me i will do whatever it takes to survive.

And 9 times out of 10 a bunny hopper will win - why else would they do it? So if you dont do it, you will die. Simple as that.

[Brood+98]

i agree only to not uncappable spawm base raping. everything else is fair game, including interrupting knife fights, yeah, im evil, i ruined your little knife fight, haha.

[Mattsville]

These aren't Server Rules, but personal rules that you PERSONALLY abide by.

No one else has to abide by them and power to them cause thats their choice but others and myself choose to play with 'self percieved honour' for lack of a better term. Doesn't mean we're 'better' or more 'pro' then those that don't its just a personal playstyle.

Just for the record, I respect your position on this, Mnemnoth.

I try and play an honourable game, too.

But I will also try and crush the enemy in anyway I can, using any tactic and all resoureces that are available to me.

It's not mean, it's just how wars are fought...

[Lofty]

Meh, I would agree if there was a rule for knife fights.

Like:
If a enemy comes towards you and has his knife pulled out and makes a sort of greeting, like slashing his knife in the air two times. You have to agree with his knife fight, or if you don't want to agree, you need to give him two seconds so he can run and then you can kill him with normal weapons.

And a rule that if they initiate the knife fight they cannot pull out normal weapons if they feel they are about to lose. To often a noob has gone for my tags only to realise they are the ones being hunted, so they noob me to death.

[CheezEDippaH]

As long I don't have to follow those rules...

I admire those who follow these rules, but I know that there's no way i would be able to follow all of them. There's one or two i agree with, and (kinda') follow allready, but i still wan't the freedom to do what ever -If i feel like it :)

[HG_Eliminator]

here is my units Code of Conduct. it has been ratified for 2142.......ALL recruits must read and agree to our C.O.C before wearing HG tags :)



The Honor Guard Code of Conduct (C.O.C.)

History:

The Honor Guard was Founded March 19th,1998. The Defining Concept of HG was forming a team of people with common ethics/ideals to play together in an
atmosphere of fun and commeradery.The idea was to make friends, not just aquaintances. HG's driving goal is to make the game as fun for all as possible
while maintining a Higher standard of game play...


As a group we have realized a need for structured rules to Guide HG members in their online gaming.These rules are not meant to be restrictive, but help
HG maintain a higher standard of playing, as well as maintain a better user experence for all who play with us.We the members of HG strive daily to earn
our reputation of Honor and Integrity.These rules must be agreed to by all HG before joining and followed in every aspect of gaming where our uniform is
worn.

Active Administration:

{Khan} HG_Eliminator.{site admin}

{Khan} HG_ZappCzar.{recruiting}

{Sakhan} HG_RavenHunter. {WOW EQ Forums moderator}






Articles of Conduct:

#1. Have fun.

#2. Make sure others you play with also have fun.

#3. Uphold the Honor and Integrity of the Honor Guard at all times.

#4. No bailing from a game just before the end. (to avoid having a loss counted in stats).

#5. Honor all rules Posted by Server admins. (this includes before,during and after a game.)

#6. Never use profanity/racial/sexual language or slurs. Metaphors,homonyms are also not allowed.This also applies to anywhere you wear a HG tag ..
like gaming forums on other sites..

#7. No Personal attacks/insults/calling names of any kind wether in text or vocal based chat.

#8. No nicknames with racial/sexual/profanity will be worn with an HG tag infront of it.EVER.

#9. No chat bombing other players..

#10. No using hacks,exploits or cheating of any kind, period. Any HG menmber caught using a hack or exploit will be removed from HG and banned from our
hosted games/servers.

#11. No HG will consort with "known" hackers,cheaters,glitchers. You are the company you keep and it reflects on HG.

#12 No impersonating anybody. Anybody caught falsely representing them selves as another person/online identity used by another will result in imediate
removal from HG.

#13. Insubordination of HG Admins will not be tolerated.

#14. HG tags will not be worn with other tags...Example HG_xxxXxxXx_ASF. if you want to play with another unit as well as HG, you will need to change your
tags back and forth...



Game specifics:

Battlefield 2142:'sub section'1



#1. No Base raping Uncapables. Even if the server rules allows it, HG does not..."Recons, get in blow the commander assets and get out, return fire only
"no attacking"

#2. No base Camping. Silos and capable flags must be captured in as timely of a fashion as possible. No sitting around waiting for Enemys to spawn "spawn raping"..

#3. No playing on any Illegal Servers. "Example"..Knife and Pistol only servers.

#4. Read and Follow the ROE. and TOS.

#5. Camping an S.L.B. is allowed as long as the enemy has 1 base. if there are no more enemy bases left the S.L.B. must be destroyed to end the game.

#6. No hoarding Vehicles,any player may drive any and all vehicles in game.

#7. Commanders May fight "but not drive/fly any vehicles", as long as they are able to effectively handle their commander duties.

#8. No "Hunting" or personal vandetas...no HG member will participate in hunting any player or group of players. if they make you mad .. beat them with a higher score ..
hunting players individually looks bad and shows poor sportsman ship. Players feeling hunted by other units or players can post on the forums for the Admins
to verify and plan recourse as needed.

#9. No stats padding. {artifically gaining points} ***example*** {grenade spamming in a field no where near an enemy just to get supply points}
"Fragging in Titan corridors is acceptable as long as you are defending or clearing an area." but to toss them when theres no need, just to give the suport guy points, is not.

#10. Rules will be added as deemed necessary by the Admins.



Forums regulations:


#1. No swearing or foul language/ racial remarks or personal attacks.

#2. No Explicit content.. while HG is mainly comprised of adults, we need to remember we encourage a family atmosphere. Keep your posts tasteful...

#3. No passing out the passwords to HG's private sections on the forums, to NON HG players.




*****Remember HG stands for Honor Guard. we expect our members game play and attitudes to reflect that********

[Duality]

here is my units Code of Conduct. it has been ratified for 2142.......ALL recruits must read and agree to our C.O.C before wearing HG tags :)



The Honor Guard Code of Conduct (C.O.C.)

History:

The Honor Guard was Founded March 19th,1998. The Defining Concept of HG was forming a team of people with common ethics/ideals to play together in an
atmosphere of fun and commeradery.The idea was to make friends, not just aquaintances. HG's driving goal is to make the game as fun for all as possible
while maintining a Higher standard of game play...


As a group we have realized a need for structured rules to Guide HG members in their online gaming.These rules are not meant to be restrictive, but help
HG maintain a higher standard of playing, as well as maintain a better user experence for all who play with us.We the members of HG strive daily to earn
our reputation of Honor and Integrity.These rules must be agreed to by all HG before joining and followed in every aspect of gaming where our uniform is
worn.

Active Administration:

{Khan} HG_Eliminator.{site admin}

{Khan} HG_ZappCzar.{recruiting}

{Sakhan} HG_RavenHunter. {WOW EQ Forums moderator}






Articles of Conduct:

#1. Have fun.

#2. Make sure others you play with also have fun.

#3. Uphold the Honor and Integrity of the Honor Guard at all times.

#4. No bailing from a game just before the end. (to avoid having a loss counted in stats).

#5. Honor all rules Posted by Server admins. (this includes before,during and after a game.)

#6. Never use profanity/racial/sexual language or slurs. Metaphors,homonyms are also not allowed.This also applies to anywhere you wear a HG tag ..
like gaming forums on other sites..

#7. No Personal attacks/insults/calling names of any kind wether in text or vocal based chat.

#8. No nicknames with racial/sexual/profanity will be worn with an HG tag infront of it.EVER.

#9. No chat bombing other players..

#10. No using hacks,exploits or cheating of any kind, period. Any HG menmber caught using a hack or exploit will be removed from HG and banned from our
hosted games/servers.

#11. No HG will consort with "known" hackers,cheaters,glitchers. You are the company you keep and it reflects on HG.

#12 No impersonating anybody. Anybody caught falsely representing them selves as another person/online identity used by another will result in imediate
removal from HG.

#13. Insubordination of HG Admins will not be tolerated.

#14. HG tags will not be worn with other tags...Example HG_xxxXxxXx_ASF. if you want to play with another unit as well as HG, you will need to change your
tags back and forth...



Game specifics:

Battlefield 2142:'sub section'1



#1. No Base raping Uncapables. Even if the server rules allows it, HG does not..."Recons, get in blow the commander assets and get out, return fire only
"no attacking"

#2. No base Camping. Silos and capable flags must be captured in as timely of a fashion as possible. No sitting around waiting for Enemys to spawn "spawn raping"..

#3. No playing on any Illegal Servers. "Example"..Knife and Pistol only servers.

#4. Read and Follow the ROE. and TOS.

#5. Camping an S.L.B. is allowed as long as the enemy has 1 base. if there are no more enemy bases left the S.L.B. must be destroyed to end the game.

#6. No hoarding Vehicles,any player may drive any and all vehicles in game.

#7. Commanders May fight "but not drive/fly any vehicles", as long as they are able to effectively handle their commander duties.

#8. No "Hunting" or personal vandetas...no HG member will participate in hunting any player or group of players. if they make you mad .. beat them with a higher score ..
hunting players individually looks bad and shows poor sportsman ship. Players feeling hunted by other units or players can post on the forums for the Admins
to verify and plan recourse as needed.

#9. No stats padding. {artifically gaining points} ***example*** {grenade spamming in a field no where near an enemy just to get supply points}
"Fragging in Titan corridors is acceptable as long as you are defending or clearing an area." but to toss them when theres no need, just to give the suport guy points, is not.

#10. Rules will be added as deemed necessary by the Admins.



Forums regulations:


#1. No swearing or foul language/ racial remarks or personal attacks.

#2. No Explicit content.. while HG is mainly comprised of adults, we need to remember we encourage a family atmosphere. Keep your posts tasteful...

#3. No passing out the passwords to HG's private sections on the forums, to NON HG players.




*****Remember HG stands for Honor Guard. we expect our members game play and attitudes to reflect that********

Where do i sign up? :D

[Buttoneer]

Nice set of rules that. The one thing with the OP's rules (which yours don;t have) is this rule about letting a gunship squad get the gunship (or whatever). That's just a dumb rule (imo).

Incidentally, was it absolutely necessary to quote that whole message in the post immediately below, Duality? :rolleyes:

[mondo66]

I follow alot of these already but I'm not going to sign anything, just my own rule. To the knife fighters, don't bring a knife to a gun fight. If you approach me waving your knife a doing flips to let me know your intentions are for a knife fight thats fine if I'm in the mood, if I'm not I'm going to blaze away. I may be on my way to support someone or trying to get a flag, if I have time fine if not don't be mad.

[Buttoneer]

**Recalls previous Indiana Jones moments**

[vbl]

I hereby digitally sign this "agreement"

I hereby digitally fart at this agreement.

[Vreki]

Nice set of rules that. The one thing with the OP's rules (which yours don;t have) is this rule about letting a gunship squad get the gunship (or whatever). That's just a dumb rule (imo).


I agree. The rules come from the tactical gamer forums, and that particular rule might make some sense on a server where everybody plays as part of a strict organisation, with actual armour and air force branches.

But on a public server? No way, you don't get to declare ownership of the assets

I like most of the rules, but I don't see why this particular moral code is worthy of the title "Gentleman´s agreement". I am sure a real gentleman would frown at shooting somebody in the back (preferably with a tank shell ;) )

I will just stick to my own subjective version of playing fair. Not somebody elses.

[Killerus]

it takes a real man to play honourably. I am not talking about your sex either. It's a great idea and i wish more people would adhere to this philosphy. It's a great feeling to win a fair fight. Unfortunatley i think that 90% of the community is unable to play this way because they are selfish spolied babies who are used to stomping on other people to get what they want.

[Mongo Only Pawn]

I've played there in BF2, pretty fun, but I prefer to bunnyhop/spawncamp. To me, thats legit play :P



Wow. What a shock - monkman refuses to sign a 'gentlemens' agreement.
Oh yea, it's cause bunnyhopping takes SKILL, right?

[Mongo Only Pawn]

it takes a real man to play honourably. I am not talking about your sex either. It's a great idea and i wish more people would adhere to this philosphy. It's a great feeling to win a fair fight. Unfortunatley i think that 90% of the community is unable to play this way because they are selfish spolied babies who are used to stomping on other people to get what they want.


QFT!!

[Zarious]

I play with honor to the best of my ability. I don't steal vehicles, I don't camp uncaps (usually), I do my best to fix your ride, heal/revieve you, or keep you supplied.

But I will bunny hop "what you think I'm gonna just stand there and let you kill me?", I will beacon camp "if you don't want me to kill you, spawn some where else. If you stop spawning on it I will kill it and move on" , I will spawn kill you "if you spawn at a silo I'm trying to take, your going down as fast as I can put you down", and I will attack your uncap, and kill you there "if your team is poor enough that that's all you have left to spawn at, then I consider it a mercy killing"

[Kalo]

Wow, so apparently camping is unfair play? Cause you arent good enough to get out of it? Geez guys emotion from 2142 is gone cause everyone wants to be able to say they pwn...Cept' in camping.

[IamFodder]

I"m starting to understand why the world is the way it is...

Just remember.. this was not a set of rules.. it was a philosophy about how the quality of game play could be improved dramatically..

TrenchDigger scored a headshot and a half with his comment..

[ColonelPanic]

Meh, I would agree if there was a rule for knife fights.

Like:
If a enemy comes towards you and has his knife pulled out and makes a sort of greeting, like slashing his knife in the air two times. You have to agree with his knife fight, or if you don't want to agree, you need to give him two seconds so he can run and then you can kill him with normal weapons.

Who brings a knife to a gun fight?

[The_Eliminator]

Who brings a knife to a gun fight?

Argh, and he usually wins :cool:

[jackal22]

thats a load of BS that will never work, i dont mind some fair play but thats ott.

do not spawn camp a beakon? yeh im just gonna let all the enemies run right into the titan because its crewl to camp... hell no. they are going to get camped like the stupid idiots they are putting the SB in plain sight.

[Kalo]

Agree'd

[IamFodder]

thats a load of BS that will never work, i dont mind some fair play but thats ott.

do not spawn camp a beakon? yeh im just gonna let all the enemies run right into the titan because its crewl to camp... hell no. they are going to get camped like the stupid idiots they are putting the SB in plain sight.

Destroy the beacon....

[Relmar]

All these self-imposed rules are a bunch of bullcrap. People get so hung up on what is "cheap" and don't learn how to counter against it.

It's like if you're playing a fighting game and you're complaining that the guy you're fighting against is just a "button masher". Or that spamming the throw button is "cheap" Well if all it takes to kick your *** is mindless random button mashing or using one move, you really must suck. Learn to adapt. Use the game mechanics to your advantage. Do everything in your power (but no cheating, as in using hacks) to defeat the enemy. Play to win.


Some food for thought:

http://www.sirlin.net/archive/playing-to-win-part-1/

[TWRAM]

Specialty squads? lol, an excuse for whoring a vehicle. First come, first served, there is no damn specialty squad that has rights to a vehicle.

[Relmar]

it takes a real man to play honourably. I am not talking about your sex either. It's a great idea and i wish more people would adhere to this philosphy. It's a great feeling to win a fair fight. Unfortunatley i think that 90% of the community is unable to play this way because they are selfish spolied babies who are used to stomping on other people to get what they want.



The first step in becoming a top player is the realization that playing to win means doing whatever most increases your chances of winning. The game knows no rules of “honor” or of “cheapness.” The game only knows winning and losing.

[HG_Eliminator]

The first step in becoming a top player is the realization that playing to win means doing whatever most increases your chances of winning. The game knows no rules of “honor” or of “cheapness.” The game only knows winning and losing.


thats total balloney, im not low man on the totem pole in the Leader boards...and I follow HG's Code of conduct ;)

been playing by the HG code of conduct for many years...during which I was #1 mechwarrior pilot 3mo's in a row..( was the highest winning mech pilot, every week for 12 weeks) and am still the only mech warrior ever to hold the top spot for 3mo's straight...


winning is the goal.. and it can be done with Honor :)

[Deesies]

I already know I can not uphold this agreement, just as much as I know most people who accept, will break it at some point.

[nutcrackr]

wouldn't sign it because there are a few things I don't agree with :)

[MouseNo4]

Its this simple. Those that agree to such stupid and foolish rules, are just that. Stupid and foolish.

If you present a knife when you meet me on the battlefield. You moron, expect a face full of voss rounds. After i pull out my knife for a second before pulling my voss back out as a testiment to how stupid and pathetic you are in believing honour exists in war.

Anyone who believes that you can play this game with what you call honour are just not playing properly.

Just take this example:
You are in a tank and whilst rolling along, you notice a support player who has no hope of escape. Are you going to waste him? Or are you going to wait until he runs to that tank a small distance away before you start pummeling him?

OK now reverse the roles. You are that support player. Do you honestly beleive that by adhereing to your own personal beleif in honour on the battle field is gunna save your skin? Let alone make a difference?

No, the REAL honour is doing the right thing and MURDERING that support player in cold blood. Because if you dont, then you are DELIBERATELY aiding the enemy.

[WanderingZephyr]

I already do most of those things (I don't go into uncapturables at all these days, or take their vehicles) but a couple really stand out...

"3. Taking advantage of a spawner's disorientation. While it may put you at a disadvantage, give the spawner time to get a handle on their surrounding before you shoot at them, such as giving them time to run a certain distance."

If I'm heading into a base, and a guy spawns up, there are essentially two scenarios:

The first is that he spawns up facing me. So long as he knows what team he's on, he'll see my uniform and open up on me. If I'm not a good distance to engage, I might wait to close it a bit and give him a burst, but odds are I'll fire immediately to take him down. Any sportsmanship like delay will probably just lead to him firing first, and if he fires first, odds are I'll go down first.

The second is that he spawns up not facing me. In which case I'll shoot him in the back and be done with it. I don't see a point of waiting him to run a second or three seconds or whatever, and then shooting him in the back. Either way, odds are he's done.

When you spawn up right in front of an enemy, it's a tough situation, and they'll always have the edge--but since you're at your flag, you'll be able to spawn up again soon and be ready. And if an enemy spawns up on you, you've got the edge, and if you don't take it, you could wind up losing a good opportunity. Waiting for a recently spawned enemy to fire on you not only gives up your advantage, but makes it so he'll probably win the stand off. The trouble is, if he dies, he can respawn right there, no problem and fight you again. If you're killed, you might have a long walk, or sneak, or charge right through a firefight to get back to where you were. I just don't see a reason to give up your advantage.

The other point is "I will not camp spawn points." In a level like a 64 person Camp Gibralter server, and the EU is pushed back to their main and have assembled, the place is a meatgrinder. PAC will win, but charging in there and trying to take the flag is pitting you against a couple dozen entrenched EU guys, mines, turrets, RDX, and if you manage to neutralize it, they come down on you like Noah's flood. It makes more sense to set up defensive positions around the walls, in the building opposite their main, and on the catwalk and bleed them out. No point throwing away your tickets.

And finally, "claiming" a vehicle? I really prefer vehicles to be first come, first serve, and let whoever is there have it. Having one person with a vehicle all round, even if they're good, can be less fun for everyone.

I'll continue to follow my own rules that I have in my mind for what's fair and what's not in the game. I think some of those rules are good, but others go from trying to even things out to giving the other guy the edge, and not a fan of that.

And the game isn't war, it's a game. So people should be able to play however they find it fun (so long as it doesn't significantly impede the fun of others). But saying all's fair, it's war, is kind of...blowing a game out of proportion in my mind, it is a game, and like all games, can and does have some rules.

[MouseNo4]

What it really comes down to is this. Those that believe in honour are those same ones who complain about those who dont. Those players that camp your spawn beacons, those that cap silo's one after another really fast with the air transport, those that camp the uncap when they have all the others, those that shoot you in the face when you clearly have the knife pulled out.

Here is some food for thought: The person who brings a gun to a knife fight isnt necessarily a dishonourable person. They are just being S-M-A-R-T. Read SMART. They are SMARTER than you. The smarter player takes the shorter, faster, easier path to victory.

[Mongo Only Pawn]

Just take this example:
You are in a tank and whilst rolling along, you notice a support player who has no hope of escape. Are you going to waste him? Or are you going to wait until he runs to that tank a small distance away before you start pummeling him?



Nuthin' better.
More than once I've seen some poor sap on the radar with the UAV in the middle of nowhere, so I take my walker/tank and just move in front of him. He stands there like a deer in the headlights while I type "lonely feeling, huh?" into the console. They generally give me a courtesy "lol" before I blow them to smithereens.....

[IamFodder]

Are some of you guys even reading what was posted?


Where in the agreement did it say anything about knife fights or waiting for somebody to get into armour? Pulling a knife in the middle of a gun fight is stupidity.. Kicking a guy the nuts while he's already down is dis-honourable.

There is a difference between having a tactical advantage and being an opportunistic a-hole.

[vbl]

Kicking a guy the nuts while he's already down is dis-honourable.

No it's not, especially if he's trying to get back up and kick me.

Here's one of my rules:
I'll stop camping the spawn point when you stop spawning there.

[gergnoodle]

good ideas in here

but i have to disagree with some of them

if they pod drop its thier choice they better be able to fight right away
if they cant get out of their own spawn be prepared for a very hard rapeing
if the game mechanics allow something ie bunny hop and then someone has the rigth to use them i can shoot hoppers and proners just as well as those standing
if someone runs at me with a knife be prepared to eat bullets dont bring a knife to gun fight
if someone steals my vehicle while im out be prepared for me to team kill him the rest of the map

sorry but's war so no rules im afraid

[AboveAndBeyond]

A personal Code of Conduct is a fine thing to have... Personally, I agree with everything in the original post and the Honor Guard's rules as well. Everyone that says this game is war has never been to a real war. There is no respawn time or revives... in the end you win or you are dead. BF2142 is an entertaining game... let me reiterate that for you. Games are fun and at that end of the day everyone parts cyber company and lives their lives. If you can't even PLAY with honor how can you expect to LIVE with honor? There is even honor among true soldiers even enemies. Would the same people that posted on here about doing anyhting to win becuase this is "war" do whatever they had to in a real war because it might ensure victory? Would you participate in the killing of millions of civilians, bomb entire cities into rubble after a victory is in hand, rape and pillage "enemy" citizens out of repraisal? It is attitudes such as "win at any cost" that cause attrocities such as this in the real world. Maybe instead of playing a game to win you should take a course in moral values. Winning without honor is not a win it loss of the soul.... the degradation of what is good in the human spirit. Maybe you think my comments are silly and idealistics, but perhaps it is because I learned hard lessons in areas of the world where ,when mistakes are made, men die. To see so many posts lacking honor, respect, and integrity saddens me. If you think the whole world should only revolve around The All Mighty Win, then you are lost... Do unto others as you would have others do unto you... If you you are my friend, I will respect you. If you are my adversary, I will respect you. In life and death I hope, I hope all may respect me.

[Bommando]

I kind of wish this hadn't been posted here. I am a BF2142 admin at TG and I have to say that the Gentleman's Agreement irks me somewhat. We already have a pretty stringent set of rules on our servers to promote fair and tactical gameplay. When people start making up their own rules and calling them some sort of code to stand by, I get a bit annoyed. The main reason being that those people somehow look down upon players who stick with the rules, but don't sign the agreement. Not everyone is like this, but some are.

Our goal is that people follow the rules on our server and approach the game with a mature and team-oriented mindset. The admins at TG make it very clear that people have no right to hold others to their self-imposed rules of conduct and we take action against people who make false accusations and continually whine at other players.

We are about promoting a fun environment free of smacktards. We also happen to have a great majority of players using VOIP, issuing orders and following the chain of command. I want us to be known for the best smacktard-free teamwork 2142 has to offer and a realistic (within reason) battlefield teamwork environment.

I won't address each point in the agreement, but suffice it to say that it does not have unilateral agreement among the admins at TG and while I hold myself to a high standard of play, I don't hold myself to all of that agreement. We are there to uphold the rules and create a mature gaming environment for all. Don't lambast all of TG based on this rather narrow interpretation of our philosophy.

[TG-Apophis]

Yeah, What Bommando said. Well, parts of it.

But seriously; I'm not going to be as negative as Bommando because I think these Gentleman's Agreements are good things.

These are guidelines created by people who really tend to put the "gaming" aspect aside and try and play these games with a little more realism in mind. At Tactical Gamer, this is something that we wholeheartedly look for.

We don't believe that everyone needs to play this way, but a lot of things in that Gentleman's Agreement ARE considered expected behavior and can get you in trouble for ignoring them. At least within the confines of the Tactical Gamer community.

[MouseNo4]

Since i have already stated my opinion of the agreement and those who follow them, i wont reiterate.

But to sum it up - if you follow such code of conduct, then your a fool. Sure your intentions were honourable, but your a fool nonetheless. I even commend you for attempting to uphold such 'honourable' values. But your still a fool. All in all your putting your *** to the wall so that all can take a free shot at you.

But thats your choice and i will respect that. Dont expect many to follow it though. Sure many may say they will or do - but i doubt most of those are valid.

[VTEC]

I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will.

Gentleman's agreement denied.

[Mongo Only Pawn]

Came accross this the other day -

The other team had an indestructable SLSB on roof of my Titan.
(well, not MY titan, I didn't pay for it...)
Anyway, they kept on spawnin', and I kept on killin'. Eventually I started to feel a bit bad. So I let them know that I couldn't destroy their beacon. But they kept spawning anyway. I went like 23/4 in that particular exchange...

[RottnJP]

I disagree.

I think I'd have to give that honor to almost anything you post.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Anyway, I can't claim to follow *all* of those items 100%- For example, IMO you pod on a beacon you're taking a calculated risk- Did your SL place it well? You're getting a tactical advantage only until I find that beacon. Sometimes it makes more sense to blast it, and sometimes I'll wait and see how good your "inter-squad" communication is. I kill more than 2 guys at your drop zone, it's really your fault IMO. At the same time, I don't camp flags, I take 'em. So, maybe I'm conflicted. :D Anyway, it's easy to understand some differences of opinion on the specifics here and there.

But I can say this: People, this isn't actually war. It's not even close. It's a game. That means it should be fun, fair, and there's no need to be a (*) (rectal sphincter) about it. I can tell from their posts in general, and the ethics they are defending, that I would play with HG_ and <RR> any day of the week and have a good time, win or lose.

:salute: :salute: :salute:

Some of you other guys scare me. If your personal integrity is so cheap that you are willing to do *anything* to win in a game, whatever you can get away with, what will you do for something that matters? Like money, or a promotion, or a contract? That's how companies go bankrupt, people go to jail, and all kinds of other things that come from putting results ahead of ethics, and yes, even honor, quaint as that may sound.

"Sow an action, reap a habit.
Sow a habit, reap a character.
Sow a character, reap a destiny."
- George Boardman

[Mattsville]

Some of you other guys scare me. If your personal integrity is so cheap that you are willing to do *anything* to win in a game, whatever you can get away with, what will you do for something that matters? Like money, or a promotion, or a contract?

What I don't get, is how you guys who subscribe to following this code of conduct can look down your noses at those of us who decline to follow it?

Funny, I don't remember sitting down with you and working out this code. I don't remember posting a single thing on these forums about my desire to play this game in a more "gentlemanly" way.

This code was posted by one person who wants to play the game by a set of rules that govern his actions and many of you have decided that you also like these rules of behavior and that you will follow them too, which is cool. I appreciate your views on the matter.

But it was your decision to follow these rules, not mine. So for you to call us dishonorable for not following the rules you decided to make up and to tell us that you are amazed because we won't play the game the way you want us to, well let me say that I am amazed right back at you for feeling this way.

This is your code of conduct. These are your rules, mate. You follow them. Me I just want to kill in as efficient a manner as possible the enemy who is also by the way trying to kill me as well. Which doesn't leave a whole lot of room for me to be nice to him.

[HG_Eliminator]

What I don't get, is how you guys who subscribe to following this code of conduct can look down your noses at those of us who decline to follow it?

Funny, I don't remember sitting down with you and working out this code. I don't remember posting a single thing on these forums about my desire to play this game in a more "gentlemanly" way.

This code was posted by one person who wants to play the game by a set of rules that govern his actions and many of you have decided that you also like these rules of behavior and that you will follow them too, which is cool. I appreciate your views on the matter.

But it was your decision to follow these rules, not mine. So for you to call us dishonorable for not following the rules you decided to make up and to tell us that you are amazed because we won't play the game the way you want us to, well let me say that I am amazed right back at you for feeling this way.

This is your code of conduct. These are your rules, mate. You follow them. Me I want to kill the person who is by the way also trying his best to kill me in as effecient a manner as possible. Which doesn't leave a whole lot of room for me to be nice to him.



I do not believe ,I have posted anything to the effect of looking down at those who dont play by My C.O.C....and no while HG can not force our rules on others in other servers.. we can enforce them in ours;)

I wont spawn rape an uncapable...

I will not hack,glitch,cheat,nor will I intentionally try to ruin others gaming experiences..

Let me put it this way.. ive seen many servers empty out after the Admins and their unit effectively spawn rape the uncap all game ...one game i remember. by the time the game was over it was 12vs3.. they had run off all the enemy...but what would you expect, when you have both mechs and both APC's in their uncap,just blasting any thing that moved? I look at their server often .. its typically empty now..;)

also looking down on folks? how about the ones posting who call us "fools" "morons" "stupid" etc.. For trying to play with Honor.. But then again their using any Means to Win the debate...

if "using any means" requires me to go beyond common decency in the treatment of others..Count me out...

[fshy94]

I kinda see both points. On the one hand, I usually follow these rules, and so on, with some exceptions(FAV bombs occassionally). On the other, I personally judge what I want to do on a case by case analysis, so I will have to decline to sign this thingamabob. If you're being an utter walker whore(which means spawn camping with a walker), I'm going to feel perfectly free to FAV bomb you. In theory this is a wonderful idea, but it assumes everyone follows it. My rule is: If you follow these rules, I'll follow them, but break 'em, and all bets are off. This is especially true when someone shoots during a knife fight, and then has the absolute nerve to whine about it when I FAV bomb three of his walkers.

[Mattsville]

I do not believe ,I have posted anything to the effect of looking down at those who dont play by My C.O.C...

...also looking down on folks? how about the ones posting who call us "fools" "morons" "stupid" etc...

Sorry for the misunderstanding HG. I wasn't actually directing my comments at you but rather the few people in this forum who have called people out for not agreeing to play this game the way they have decided that it should be played(i.e. with "Honor").

See TrenchDiggers' and Above and Beyonds' comments below...

it takes a real man to play honourably... Unfortunatley i think that 90% of the community is unable to play this way because they are selfish spolied babies who are used to stomping on other people to get what they want.

If you can't even PLAY with honor how can you expect to LIVE with honor? Maybe instead of playing a game to win you should take a course in moral values. Winning without honor is not a win it loss of the soul.


It is just really annoying and arrogant of someone tell you that you are an a$s because you won't play the game the way they think you should be playing it.

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[MouseNo4]

Unfortunately i have to agree with matt here. Those that do agree to this rules effectively look down upon those that dont as being inferior.

Sure you can have your little coc but the world dont work the way you want it.

Imagine your coc states that on a road at the traffic lights you will obey the rules of the road that states (for this story only) that you must have 1 full car length between you and the car in front whilst stopped at the red lights. Since you feel you must obey these coc rules you give yourself just over a car length of distance. What do you think will happen?

Someone will take advantage of your belief in an honourable world and force themselves into that space. In the end your just going to be forced back further and further.

The world is not perfect and neither is this game. Give other players a cm and they will take a kilometre so to speak.

By following a set of personal rules as strict as those, is only asking for others - such as me who stand by much much lesser standards (no i am not a dishonourable person) and much less strict personal rules - to take advantage of you.

Just because you dont spawn camp a flag instead of capping it, wont mean that that exact flag WONT be camped. And on the other side, just because you wouldnt spawn camp a flag wont stop the ENTIRE ENEMY TEAM from spawn camping your flag - even your uncap.

[HG_Eliminator]

Sorry for the misunderstanding HG. I wasn't actually directing my comments at you but rather the few people in this forum who have called people out for not agreeing to play this game the way they have decided that it should be played(i.e. with "Honor")

It is just really annoying and arrogant of someone tell you that you are an a$s because you won't play the game the way they think you should be playing it.

its all good. :)

I agree that no one should judge another for playing styles .. its just like kit's .. everybody has a preferance.. and it confuzzles me as to why people bash others who dont do like they do... " stupid recons" "stupid support".. I still cant see the reasoning behind the hate....





Unfortunately i have to agree with matt here. Those that do agree to this rules effectively look down upon those that dont as being inferior.

Sure you can have your little coc but the world dont work the way you want it.

Imagine your coc states that on a road at the traffic lights you will obey the rules of the road that states (for this story only) that you must have 1 full car length between you and the car in front whilst stopped at the red lights. Since you feel you must obey these coc rules you give yourself just over a car length of distance. What do you think will happen?

Someone will take advantage of your belief in an honourable world and force themselves into that space. In the end your just going to be forced back further and further.

The world is not perfect and neither is this game. Give other players a cm and they will take a kilometre so to speak.

By following a set of personal rules as strict as those, is only asking for others - such as me who stand by much much lesser standards (no i am not a dishonourable person) and much less strict personal rules - to take advantage of you..


Anybody whos played with or against me knows im not a push over ;)

I am a union teamster so i do leave more than a car length..;)

and yes i do leave plenty of room.. so a few who think they have to be ahead of me, and squeze in.. big deal it's not going to kill me ...

Now il tell you a true story since you brought vehicles in to it ..

One day while going through Oklahoma turnpike, a corvette raced up behind me. It zigged around on my left and cut me off and screamed away. 2 teens in the back gave me the bird as they passed...it was a convertable...abt 15 min later i happened on the scene...they had tried the manuver on another truck and lost controll, went up the embankment and rolled, (at what the police stated a lil over 80+mph). ejecting all the occupants...not 1 survived.... ironic huh? they were having so much fun abusing others. charma, irony what ever. peoples actions through life will return to them..


While you may see me as being a fool for giving space.. i see it as courtesy.. i even wave them in.....you know .. most wave back and give a smile :)



Just because you dont spawn camp a flag instead of capping it, wont mean that that exact flag WONT be camped. And on the other side, just because you wouldnt spawn camp a flag wont stop the ENTIRE ENEMY TEAM from spawn camping your flag - even your uncap.

In others servers i cant control players actions . but in HG's servers i can;)

besides .. if it gets to bad on the uncap base camping.. theres always the option to go else where ;) seen quite a few servers empty out after the sponsoring units base camp the uncaps...

[Mattsville]

It is just really annoying and arrogant of someone tell you that you are an a$s because you won't play the game the way they think you should be playing it.



Come to think of it, this statement could probably work both ways as I'm sure there are at least a few of the COC posters here who are tired as well of getting flamed by the anti-COC posters for their opinion on this subject. ;)

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[HG_Eliminator]

Come to think of it, this statement could probably work both ways as I'm sure there are at least a few of the COC posters here who are tired as well of getting flamed by the anti-COC posters for their opinion on this subject. ;)

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I agree..... it would be nice if a debate could be just that .. a good clean debate.. theres no need for insults.. insulting folks will not perswade people to agree with the person throwing the insults...typically it does the opposite ...

[MouseNo4]

Now il tell you a true story since you brought vehicles in to it ..

One day while going through Oklahoma turnpike, a corvette raced up behind me. It zigged around on my left and cut me off and screamed away. 2 teens in the back gave me the bird as they passed...it was a convertable...abt 15 min later i happened on the scene...they had tried the manuver on another truck and lost controll, went up the embankment and rolled, (at what the police stated a lil over 80+mph). ejecting all the occupants...not 1 survived.... ironic huh? they were having so much fun abusing others. charma, irony what ever. peoples actions through life will return to them..


If you gunna bring up that sick crap, then i can see why your a clanner.


While you may see me as being a fool for giving space.. i see it as courtesy.. i even wave them in.....you know .. most wave back and give a smile :)

And you believe that, because i brought up the subject of cars, that i dont do the exact same thing? No, i drive to my comfort zone - be it on the limit or well under. I dont speed and yes i do leave heaps of space at the traffic lights. I dont do it out of courtesy, but rather to have a safety space that if needed, i could use. Hell, i even wave to people that obviously want to get past me on the highways.


In others servers i cant control players actions . but in HG's servers i can;)

And i would guarantee your one of those abusive admins too. I dont even know you and its easy to make that assumption based on your attitude.


besides .. if it gets to bad on the uncap base camping.. theres always the option to go else where ;) seen quite a few servers empty out after the sponsoring units base camp the uncaps...

Everybody knows to stay out of clan servers because of many many reason such as abusive admins and the sponsorship members 'owning' the server.

[HG_Eliminator]

And i would guarantee your one of those abusive admins too. I dont even know you and its easy to make that assumption based on your attitude.




Abusive admin???

LOL you can think as you wish...ive yet to ever be called abusive by any player whose played my servers........

abuse would be banning folks for beating me ..
abusive would be banning folks for using kits i dont like...

Asking a player to not base camp an uncap is just the same as asking players not to swear,not to jehad jeep etc..... server admins are allowed to alter the game play...to fit their own game standards.. as long as they dont restrict use of weapons...

attitude ?? i have given no attitude.. just simple fact...I dont expect others to play by my rules in other servers.. "I follow the servers rules". and i would expect the same in my server .. follow the rules or get out....

Sick? I admit the story was graphic.. but true...I never said i didnt feel bad for them ..it was a tradgedy.. but had they not been racing around trying to cause others to crash.. they might still be alive ......


****EDIT**

ive yet to call you a name or be insulting.. but you have so far made personal attacks against me ... so whos the abuser here ?

[Brood+98]

that guide that someone linked was so messed, it promoted glitching, if the game in that was BF2142, i bet the creator would promote wall glitching in the titan, hell i cant belive he didnt promote hacking. wanting to win is fine bud for the love of god, stay within the the creators intents...

anway, i seriosuly enjoy interupting knife fights now, its hilarious to see peoples reactions, had the no*1 assie ahve a crack about me interupting his knife fight, i laughed and told him to shove it up his...well....you get the idea. anway, the only thing i wont do is spawm camp an uncappable when theres no where else to spawn, in a way that prevents people from fighting back, ie, walker sniping, ect ect. because seriously, thats messed ****, and is a great way to empty a server, if it didnt kill servers, (whcih i have seen it do, many a time) then i wouldnt whine about it, but it DOES! btw, i got my first dist' combat efficency pin, sniping campers wtih the rosch on camp G, ahhh irony, i had a 6-1 KD sniping those guys...

[Argh...]

Jihading jeeps on an arrogant walkers is one of the most fun things to do. Kicking for it is childish imho. Guess you like to use vehicles right?

And its a compatative tactic. For this alone i find you a borderline abusive admin.

[Brood+98]

Jihading jeeps on an arrogant walkers is one of the most fun things to do. Kicking for it is childish imho. Guess you like to use vehicles right?

And its a compatative tactic. For this alone i find you a borderline abusive admin.

i second this comment! death to all walkers!

[HG_Eliminator]

Jihading jeeps on an arrogant walkers is one of the most fun things to do. Kicking for it is childish imho. Guess you like to use vehicles right?

And its a compatative tactic. For this alone i find you a borderline abusive admin.


for one its NOT against my rules....it was an example..

for 2 it IS allowed in EA's ROE for server admins to make a rule against the use of jehad jeeping..

abuse is
treating players unfairly
kicking good players so you win.
etc...

[Brood+98]

or changing team to be on winning side with admin powers, yeah, thats a big one apparently.

[HG_Eliminator]

A server admin making rules for their server is not ABUSE....as long at it follows ROE and TOS

a player reading these set rules and refusing to follow them in the admins server IS...

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Well I am more realistic I will bunny hop for cover if a sniper shoots me and I can't see him


Also I support Jidhad Jeeps. Why? Because DICE made bad physics in game that vechiles are more deadly then a bullet. A tank slowly sliding down a hill, Like .01 M per second kills you. I can't place c7 on something that kills me when barely moving. Also Walkers kill you instantly if they move while placing c7. I understand getting some health down but instant death?

[Ozzy]

all i have to say is anyone can play this GAME how they want as long as it DOES NOT affect anyone elses gameplay and enjoyment (meaning cheating statpadding and vehicle whoring) because anyone reducing fun for everyone else is a selfish spoiled brat who does not deserve to play with the rest of the comunity and should be banned from all servers

[HG_Eliminator]

all im saying is, i have a code of conduct for my unit... we play under it in any server.... we do not expect others in servers Not run by us, to abide by our ways....and we always follow the servers rules... our server runs under our rules...if people dont like the rules,,,they can go elsewhere....

i will state that i have been kicked out of games because i refuse to spawn rape uncapable bases.. one guy even tried to get me kick voted out because i wouldnt help him "pwn the noobs"....and no where in the servers rules did it state i must attack the uncaps........

[MouseNo4]

You do what you will in your own time, i cant stop you, nor will anyone else.

If i could get good ping to america i would join your server just to see for myself how abusive you are. But the horrible ping ensures that i would last a whole minute before being auto kicked.

Its not a case of whether you are an abusive admin, its how badly. Sure i have met some admins that are only slightly abusive in their powers, but they are few and far between.

I am also not saying that i agree 100% with the roe, but i follow it regardless because i must. If a server i play on decided to bring in the optional rule of disallowing jihad jeeps, and i wanted to do that for some reason, i would find another server.

This is the way things are - the only NON-abusive admin is not an admin at all. That is just the truth and i am sure i wouldnt be alone in saying that.

[HG_Eliminator]

You do what you will in your own time, i cant stop you, nor will anyone else.

If i could get good ping to america i would join your server just to see for myself how abusive you are. But the horrible ping ensures that i would last a whole minute before being auto kicked.

Its not a case of whether you are an abusive admin, its how badly. Sure i have met some admins that are only slightly abusive in their powers, but they are few and far between.

I am also not saying that i agree 100% with the roe, but i follow it regardless because i must. If a server i play on decided to bring in the optional rule of disallowing jihad jeeps, and i wanted to do that for some reason, i would find another server.


wow so basically ALL server admins are abusive? unless they allow you to do as you wish??? let me guess,if they ask you to not swear i guess their abusive ?...

This is the way things are - the only NON-abusive admin is not an admin at all. That is just the truth and i am sure i wouldnt be alone in saying that.

yeh.. lets just let the glitchers and hackers run rampant.. or is that what you want?

[MouseNo4]

Who said anything about my opinions on the subject of how people should play and admin their server?

[MouseNo4]

I said that they are abusive admins. I didnt say they should do this or shouldnt do that because i wish it.

Besides i am not the one who has to put up with an abusive admin - the whole community cops it on the nose - not me. I simply avoid them. As soon as i know one has joined the server, i leave.

Anyway, lets get back onto the OT.

[HG_Eliminator]

HELLO? .. weve been talking about your opinion on my server rules being abusive .. but not ? ? your not making sence .. you attack me because i say in my server players will follow my rules .. you call me abusive for setting rules... but now you say you arent expressing opinions on the way people play and admin their servers ??? do you see how you just talked in a complete circle????

[MouseNo4]

Actually no, i dont. And no i didnt talk in circles. Now can we get back to the OT before a mod locks this thread. It started to get interesting before you attempted to prove a point. And are still trying to...

But just this final time -
I said all admins are abusive, meaning admins in all forms (forum, irc, game servers, websites etc)
I said that those coc just make those who follow them into fools
I didnt say how admins are abusive
I didnt suggest any ideas or methods of better admining
I also noted that judging from your attitude, you are abusive and that one day i would like to prove it to you but lack the opportunity with bad pings
AND i stated now twice that i would like to get back to the OT yet to wont give up

[HG_Eliminator]

what attitude ??? the only thing i said was i had rules for my team and our server ... bad me .. bad me .. shame on me .....

infact i agreed with mat that people shouldnt flame each other for their game styles...


but yes lets get back to the OP....

[IamFodder]

HG_Eliminator, TrenchDigger, Mnemnoth, AboveAndBeyond, RottnJP

I respectfully and humbly request to be added to your buddy list...

To some of the other guys... remind me if I see on the battlefield not to be a passenger in your vehicle...

BTW I think the majority that support ROC are not necessarily looking down on those that do not agree with the optional guidelines for improved gameplay... but I do take offence at the attitude of some of the responses... those in themselves are a prime indicator of maturity level..

[Kurt]

I thought here I'd just add my tuppence-worth.

In theory I like this idea - not so much getting people to sign and "agree" to it but maybe more to think about things they routinely do that maybe are frowned on by people in general. if it stops a few people doing stuff that's detrimental to play then its worth it.

Some of the points are good and well made though others are just too non-specific to be workable. However, like I said, *maybe* people reading this who routinely carry out such tactics may just think twice next time.

The one point I strongly disagree with is giving spawners a moment to orient themselves before killing them. No way Jose! If you spawn via a beacon you get all the time in the world to look around while you're falling so should know exactly where you are and where you should be going.

For general spawns, if you see them spawn then you must be in their base trying to cap and it's tough - any player worth their salt should be able to spawn and react pretty well instantly, there's no way I'm giving this advantage to the defenders when capping is what it's all about.

[Phenomenomenon]

This is the same old tired argument.

I understand both sides.

Both sides want to win and have fun. But one side thinks they need to invent and enforce a bunch of "Gentlemans Club" rules to do so, while the other just plays the damn game.

My only problem with your Gentlemans club is you think you have a the morale and ethical highground in the argument. You don't. You seem absurd to me. You tie weights around your ankles and ***** and moan and cry "cheap" when others don't.

Suit yourself Gentleman.

[xslaneyx]

Mouse No4;

i agree with all that you have said. The aim is to kill the enemy in any way you can (bar hacks/cheats) etc so this rule business is pointless

[nemesis908]

It's a good idea, but there are a few things on there that just seem a little bit time consuming, and a waste of effort.

[IamFodder]

Kurt,

I'd like to squad up with you sometime as well... if I am welcome.

[Kurt]

Kurt,
I'd like to squad up with you sometime as well... if I am welcome.

Any time fella but I'm uk-based so my fav servers probably won't be yours.

[LexLuther]

2142 Gentleman's (and woman's) Agreement.. It should be Ladies, not woman. Any gentleman should know this. ;)

[Kurt]

2142 Gentleman's (and woman's) Agreement.. It should be Ladies, not woman. Any gentleman should know this. ;)

Ooh that's told you Fodder! I think you should demand satisfaction as your honour has been besmirched - one v one, Fodder v Lex, pistols at dawn :-)

[IamFodder]

2142 Gentleman's (and woman's) Agreement.. It should be Ladies, not woman. Any gentleman should know this. ;)

Well seeing that the original poster (I just quoted the text) is a "lady".. you can go take it up with her... I think she at one point used the term "Gentle-woman". keeping the term "less" sexist.. albeit a bit akward...

[IamFodder]

Ooh that's told you Fodder! I think you should demand satisfaction as your honour has been besmirched - one v one, Fodder v Lex, pistols at dawn :-)

might as well shoot myself then... I've clocked just over 30 hours of FPS video games in my entire life (all in BF2142, that's how I know)... maybe 50 hours of total video game play overall (Arcade, Console and PC included)..

But if it's matter of honour I'll take the bullet.. :D Which key draws the pistol? :p

[blodtang]

Players that prone when they see me, be it at distance or close disadvantage themselves, this isn't BF2 where you can prone and be accurate as soon as your faces hits the floor you have to wait until your crosshairs realign.

If I'm unable to kill them by the time their crosshairs tighten, then I deserve to die really.

[Kurt]

might as well shoot myself then... I've clocked just over 30 hours of FPS video games in my entire life (all in BF2142, that's how I know)... maybe 50 hours of total video game play overall (Arcade, Console and PC included)..

But if it's matter of honour I'll take the bullet.. :D Which key draws the pistol? :p

Wow, 2142 is your first FPS ever? Suppose your name is quite appropriate really :-) I'm using massive self-control not to go over and check your stats so that if they're really bad I can laugh at you and feel all smug and superior. Of course they could be really good and I could make a complete fool of myself here. Checked - they're not :p

Only kidding matey though maybe the duel should be put on a back-burner for now :-)

[LexLuther]

might as well shoot myself then... I've clocked just over 30 hours of FPS video games in my entire life (all in BF2142, that's how I know)... maybe 50 hours of total video game play overall (Arcade, Console and PC included)..

But if it's matter of honour I'll take the bullet.. :D Which key draws the pistol? :p LOL.. We are Gentlemen of the new millennium and will do this on the BF2142 Field. ;) Just kidding, I get owned. :)

[IamFodder]

Players that prone when they see me, be it at distance or close disadvantage themselves, this isn't BF2 where you can prone and be accurate as soon as your faces hits the floor you have to wait until your crosshairs realign.

If I'm unable to kill them by the time their crosshairs tighten, then I deserve to die really.

I think that the agreement was talking more about hopping and then going prone mid hop...so the onscreen character basically went from 2 feet off the ground to flat on the ground -- bellyflopping so to say. I think I read it was a bug or expliot from BF2. One can't really do that in BF2142. The character moves from in the air to standing before lying down.

If somebody takes a shot at me sure I'll jump and dive to avoid fire, then sprint for cover... but my understanding is bunnyhopping is repeatedly pressing the jump key as a method of propulsion while you move to find cover. So the player looks like a bunny jumping away towards cover-- not somthing anyone would do in a "real war" situation...

"Sprint --> jump--> sprint -->jump --> dive--> crawl--> sprint" is not bunnyhopping

"jump--> jump--> jump-->jump--> jump" until you reach cover is bunnyhopping..

[IamFodder]

Wow, 2142 is your first FPS ever? Suppose your name is quite appropriate really :-) I'm using massive self-control not to go over and check your stats so that if they're really bad I can laugh at you and feel all smug and superior. Of course they could be really good and I could make a complete fool of myself here. Checked - they're not :p

Only kidding matey though maybe the duel should be put on a back-burner for now :-)

no I admit it .. I really do suck... I bought the game on a whim because I was bored and kinda wanted to see what PC games (and my computer) were capable of.. A buddy mentioned BF2142 to me a while back heard that it's relatively "realistic" and I saw some screen shots so I picked it up...

I'm all for a "gentleman's agreement" because it seem most of the noobs (well there are really none in my noobidness category) but other people really hate playing public servers. I admit after finally getting comfortable with the controls and used to the screen movement (about 10 hours in) I started getting so frustrated with the quality of play out there that I thought to myself, "Now I know why I don't play video games" and was going to wipe the game off my drive..

Then by chance I squad up with a couple guys that are really good, mature and level headed that remember what it was like to be a noob and I'm inspired to keep playing.

That cycle goes on prob once a week.. I want to quit.. then I squad up with a really good bunch and I want to play again.... I'm at that "I'm gonna quit stage" right now.. and several of the responses in this thread reinforced the reason why-- then there are the guys that seem to be mature and honourable about it so I hope to find them one day to play with them to improve my game.. because I'm at the point that without a good "coach" I'm not going to get any better.

BF has too many people taking advantage of noobs that I cannot stay alive long enough on my own to learn... I spawn and some sniper takes me out .. I spawn somewhere else and the same thing happens. I go back to spawn at first location the same sniper as last time takes me out. I finally survive long enough to get to safety and lo and behold I find out there are 3 snipers at each control point taking turns killing off people as they spawn. No fun for me there..

When I'm playing I'm out to win the game.. not get points. I don't care if I get killed in action. I get in the line of fire to protect my SL if it means that my squad will have a spawn point to come back to. I'm willing to give up the drivers seat if the other guy is more exprienced at controlling the vehicle than I am. I'll jump into command if nobody else does so my team has commander assets to utilize even though I'd rather try to learn to survive on the field.. and if I find a guy that's learning as well I'll do my best to let him know what I've figured out on my own (which is pretty minimal at this stage)..

I'm not exactly complaining everyone had to learn.. I understand that.. I just wish that some of the players out there would just cut some people some slack.

[MrChris_CJ]

id agree with most of the points but it goes a bit over the top, i could join the server, make a squad called gunship,tank,mech,car,apc

then announce over chat that "All the vehicles are mine dont get in them,"

its like in bf2 when people seemed to think they had a right to vehicles on the aircraft carrier

[Kurt]

no I admit it .. I really do suck...

Nuh fella, it's lame of me to make fun of you looking at your stats, I'm not a great player myself, as long as we're all having fun then everyone wins.

Then by chance I squad up with a couple guys that are really good, mature and level headed that remember what it was like to be a noob and I'm inspired to keep playing.

Yeah, I know EXACTLY what you mean. I tend to hunt out good servers and stick to them like glue. You start you know the players, who does what, who are good squad leaders then from then on you're golden. That to me is the secret of good 2142, squadding up with team players, the game is 10 times more fun. Public servers are often not that much fun as players tend to move around, clan servers can be a little clicky, the best servers I've found are "specialised" servers that run only specific maps or whatever, they tend to be more "sticky" for players and you often see the same faces. There's nothing more rewarding than joining a server, forming a squad and calling it whatever you normally call it (I call mine "ATTACK!!") then seeing a bunch of familiar faces join your squad as they know you try to be a good squad leader.


That cycle goes on prob once a week.. I want to quit.. then I squad up with a really good bunch and I want to play again.... I'm at that "I'm gonna quit stage" right now.. and several of the responses in this thread reinforced the reason why-- then there are the guys that seem to be mature and honourable about it so I hope to find them one day to play with them to improve my game.. because I'm at the point that without a good "coach" I'm not going to get any better.

BF has too many people taking advantage of noobs that I cannot stay alive long enough on my own to learn... I spawn and some sniper takes me out .. I spawn somewhere else and the same thing happens. I go back to spawn at first location the same sniper as last time takes me out. I finally survive long enough to get to safety and lo and behold I find out there are 3 snipers at each control point taking turns killing off people as they spawn. No fun for me there..

When I'm playing I'm out to win the game.. not get points. I don't care if I get killed in action. I get in the line of fire to protect my SL if it means that my squad will have a spawn point to come back to. I'm willing to give up the drivers seat if the other guy is more exprienced at controlling the vehicle than I am. I'll jump into command if nobody else does so my team has commander assets to utilize even though I'd rather try to learn to survive on the field.. and if I find a guy that's learning as well I'll do my best to let him know what I've figured out on my own (which is pretty minimal at this stage)..

I'm not exactly complaining everyone had to learn.. I understand that.. I just wish that some of the players out there would just cut some people some slack.

Yeah, it can be a vicious circle but the secret REALLY is to find a decent server then stick to it, get to know the names, get to know the squads then you know you'll almost certinaly get a good game. I don't get much time to play so it's really important to me to get on and have a blast. I don't have the time to spend hunting for decent servers so once I find a good'un I'll stick with it. It's a shame though as 2142 needs people like you, who are in it for fun and wins, not points and camping, etc.

If you can stand a highish ping hunt me out on TV2 Suez, I'm sure we'll have a ball.

[IamFodder]

id agree with most of the points but it goes a bit over the top, i could join the server, make a squad called gunship,tank,mech,car,apc

then announce over chat that "All the vehicles are mine dont get in them,"

its like in bf2 when people seemed to think they had a right to vehicles on the aircraft carrier

not exactly.. but if you make it known that your squad is really proficient at a particular vehicle then if everyone play as a team they may a) ask to join your squad or b) go with it.

If the tank is empty and you are on the other side of the map then there should be not reason why somebody can't take the tank... Hypothetically, a good team player/commander might even arrange to bring the tank to you and then get out to do their thing. Like defend the CP you took when you lost the tank...(shame on you not having an Engie in there) ;)

But this is all in a perfect world.. just like the Gentleman's agreement.. It won't happen universally... but optimists would like to think that i could possibly ... one day...

[Monkmonkman]

well what can I say? You're 16 .. I can't argue with anyone your age.. you guys know too much..

Bringing age into an argument for no reason... Guess I know who is the one that "knows too much"...
:rolleyes:

[IamFodder]

Bringing age into an argument for no reason... Guess I know who is the one that "knows too much"...
:rolleyes:

Don't act like a punk and people won't treat you like a punk...