Why have FF off servers????

[Horzah]

FF off servers simply encourage RDX cheats who run around exploiting this ***** option !!!! You also get morons who seem to think bunny hopping is a skill - its crap in a game trying to simulate reality in a battlezone - bouncing about with big moon-boots on!!!

[The_Eliminator]

I ask EA the same question everyday.

I have come to the conclusion:

They are morons......



I have nothing else to say..

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

First, 2142 is not a simulation of anything. If you want an army simulation then you'll want to get the Armed Assault demo and give that a whirl. Jumping has been part of FPS games for a long time and it's not going anywhere.

Second, cheating is generally when you refer to altering game files and running programs in the background that give you an unfair advantage. Last I checked, anyone can do the bunnyhop and throw RDX thing fairly easily.

Third, I do agree that FF off is lame because of people who jump around and chuck RDX everywhere. I don't think they're cheating, but I do find the behavior annoying enough not to play on those kinds of servers.

[Horzah]

I'm going to avoid them - funnily enough I noticed KAIN playing in that FF OFF server - you're right it IS lame.

[Biotech2142]

BF2 was almost forced to be FF ON due the ROE.

FF ON is the true way to experience BF2142.

The only downside is when someone forces TK.

FF OFF = n00b friendly and I know this fact hurts but I don't care.

[Mukky]

FF off is for noobs only..
what's fun about not killing you're teammates :D
i really like to stab you're friends in the face while waiting for a vehicle :D

[The_Eliminator]

FF off is for noobs only..
what's fun about not killing you're teammates :D
i really like to stab you're friends in the face while waiting for a vehicle :D

oooh mukky, we have has this discussion, were immature, remember ;)

:laugh:

[Biotech2142]

FF off is for noobs only..
what's fun about not killing you're teammates :D
i really like to stab you're friends in the face while waiting for a vehicle :D

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Simple.

If he last long, means he is doing a good job on it. If not, then he will TK you and keep punishing until he gets banned.

Want revenge? Join the other team and take him down over and over.

[Jx3Aroo]

It's simple really, if you don't like people using RDX then play on FF on servers.

[UNATCOII]

It's simple really, if you don't like people using RDX then play on FF on servers.

Naw, it's more fun hunting them. They're like their macros, so predictable. They'll keep coming back to the exact same watering holes, making them prey for other RDXers.

I don't bunny hop, but like a hunteress, I place good traps and snares. So when a bunny comes around thinking...."Ooooh, 5 deaths!", he's so focused to not see the 1 or 3 RDX circle he just hopped into (extra measure to ensure he doesn't hop away).

Gets them every single time, as they count on the macros to do what they can't manually.

[Minmaster]

or at least make the player's own explosives hurt themselves (RDX and nades) even on FF=off.

[Stalker-NSDQ]

I came across some RDX Exploiter yesterday inside a TITAN CORE.

Just one word for it - "LAMER"

[Eukament]

Little Timmy know only how to press the trigger, not release it ;)

But yeah RDX exploiters are lame, your own explosive should always hurt you (like grenades).

[=)BiT(=AutoFodder]

i thought about this a few days ago and since rdx is a shaped charge wouldn't it make sense to have it inflict only a small ammount of splash damage? This would not only stop rdx bunny-hoppers but jihaders aswell

please tell me if there's any giant loopholes in this because i haven't thought it out fully

not that it would make any difference, it would never get changed anyway

[Natt]

Having ff off is handy when attacking the titan core, you can detonate rdx without tk'ing half your team mates...
There is a check box to only show ff on servers in the ingame advanced server browser, so if your that bothered use it.

[RMcLeod]

Having ff off is handy when attacking the titan core, you can detonate rdx without tk'ing half your team mates...
There is a check box to only show ff on servers in the ingame advanced server browser, so if your that bothered use it.

Yeah but it's your team mates own stupid fault if they stand around whilst you're trying to blow RDX, if I see a recon planting RDX on the core I stay behind the blast shield.

[Bardo]

bunny hopping i think is ok. just shoot the unarmed man in the air (they can't shoot whilst in the air). i will admit, i bunny hop out of danger to escape, but any decent marksman still still take me out.

as far as FF-off. i don't mind the rdx spammers so much, i find them somewhat easy to kill. if you don't let them sneak up on you... there is some distance between you and they're toast as they have rdx in their hands... and you have an assault rifle.

what i do dislike about FF-off servers is that there is no penalty for throwing 'nades. you don't have to worry about any team damage or tk's... which sometimes results in huge nade throwing contests... esp. in camp G.

[The_Eliminator]

Still think i had the best answer.

[Kraxis]

Yeah I have also longer thought that explosives such as RDX and nades should hurt the one who use them. That will get rid of idiotic play, at least to an extent.

I don't care if anyone can blast the bunny-RDXers to heaven, most of us can't. I might not get killed by them a great deal, but it sure is annoying when tyou are killed that way. I don't mind getting killed by regular RDX usage (well I always mind getting killed, but I suppose you see my point).
So if the majority can't counter such tactics because of various issues (and obviously they can't given how prolific the use is), then I would say that the game is somewhat deficient in that department... As the RDX isn't meant to be used like that.

Just make explosive self-FF.

[Biotech2142]

Like everything on this game, once you master to use it in ways that none else does makes a huge difference.

Yesterday I was playing as a bunnyhopping-rdx-sneaky-jihadding-recon and I was LOL @ me when I saw how cheap I could be without much effort.

Worst than ever and macro free (macros are for f.ag.s.)

Some time I will post some screens with my round K/D and explosive awards achieved in a titan FF OFF server.

[Kraxis]

Titan is indeed the worst... Tight spaces and often enough lag to keep the enemy from killing you even if he would normally do it.

Recently I have played a number of rounds with RDX as an ambushweapon on an FF on serve (the Conquest SP server). That was fun, and I felt I use the weapon the right way.

FOB can be huge fun when you blow PACs to bits when they near the stairways. Enemies always come there. And if you are lucky it will be an entire squad and you can just stand there and chuck RDX's down on their heads as they advance to either revive or punch through (assuming the RDX is gone since you have blown it).

It was so long since I had played Recon, so getting 25 kills and 18 deaths (the first round doing this, the others were similar but can't remember specifically) was good in my mind. And it just proves that you don't need to be either superhuman in skills nor need an FF off server to have fun with RDX.
Ok, I did get a few Lambert and APM kills as well, but that is just part of the fun for me. Oh well...

And RMcLeod, while I agree it is the teammates' fault for getting killed, it is the Recon who get's punished. And that is why I understand people prefer to play on FF off, even if I would never for the same reason.

[Biotech2142]

Recon triggering RDX on core.

Few choices before doing:

1. Trigger with the room full of teammates and intentionally TK to lower titan health or kill the core.

2. Ask or wait everybody to leave then do it.

3. Just keep killing or wait until getting killed.


Points or the win?

[Horzah]

It's simple really, if you don't like people using RDX then play on FF on servers.

I don't mind people using RDX - Recon guys can be brave and stick it on tanks etc - can't you see the difference???

[Diamond621]

Recon triggering RDX on core.

Few choices before doing:

1. Trigger with the room full of teammates and intentionally TK to lower titan health or kill the core.

2. Ask or wait everybody to leave then do it.

3. Just keep killing or wait until getting killed.


Points or the win?
I go somewhere in between when I play Recon in the core. I plant my explosives, give everyone roughly three seconds to put two and two together and get behind a shield, and then detonate if they are ready or not, after a brief warning on VOIP. I'm not in a position to project intelligent thought onto other players, and if they die at that point, it is their own problem. Allowing kindness to compromise efficiency and courtesy to jeopardize your chances of winning is a grave tactical error. In this case, the TK points are made up for by the fact that my team wins the round. That is what really matters.

[Bardo]

another reason why i sometimes prefer FF-OFF servers is that damned red-tag bug. you all know and love it... when friendlys appear as enemies with the red name tag. i get WAYYYYY too many tk's because of this. and then, after the 2nd or 3rd tk of my teammate, i start to second guess any red name i see.... and eventually an enemy kills me that i knew i would have had.

some say "look at the uniforms", but i'm too trigger happy once i see a red name. that is how i i.d. the enemy... not the uni's.

this plauged us even in bf2.

remember in 1942 when the usa was always blue and the ruskies/germans were always red? i kinda miss that scheme as it did not have this problem.

[UNATCOII]

what i do dislike about FF-off servers is that there is no penalty for throwing 'nades. you don't have to worry about any team damage or tk's... which sometimes results in huge nade throwing contests... esp. in camp G.

But it's fun and not as easy to survive as some folks think. I wish I could get more than 20 kills at once, but there's always a Recon (or rockets) around to spoil the show. :cry:

FF=OFF is for folks who just want to throw an arsenal around and have fun. I love it, even though your chances of survival with grenaders and RDX bunnies is less than 3 minutes. It's sure more fun than trying to hunt down enemies in FF=ON servers, and only when you do, some idiot walks right into your rocket/grenade/rifle fire. Can't control other folks from their own stupidity, and being punished for it is a game griefer.

FF=OFF, and that's not a worry. Bullets, rockets, and explosive fun, fun, fun. :D

[*FMJ*Power]

FF off servers simply encourage RDX cheats who run around exploiting this ***** option !!!! You also get morons who seem to think bunny hopping is a skill - its crap in a game trying to simulate reality in a battlezone - bouncing about with big moon-boots on!!!

interestingly enough, all you've described are the corner stones of competition play, check cal or twl, that all it is. it certainly doesn't take a FF off server to provide it, just keen players and using C4 on a FF off server is not a cheat, its expected on ff off servers by anyone who frequents them.

i certainly cant blame someone for trying not to dye by jumping around while they might be reloading in the heat of battle. i can say from first hand experience, FF off is run for its player base, pure and simple, not for cheap or unskilled players, youll find the most skilled players are the ones not standing still to get shot while they are reloading.

[UNATCOII]

Since you're here: I love your server -but- for 2 issues...

1. High lag when it's full with 150ms pingers (notice when it gets too high, the server will reboot, too).
2. Roofers (and how they'll even hurt teammates to get up on cranes -- as RDX will hurt the RDXer and even friendlies around them from blast damage. So it's not totally FF=OFF).

Otherwise, IMO, it's #1 server for conquest. :)

[*FMJ*Power]

Since you're here: I love your server -but- for 2 issues...

1. High lag when it's full with 150ms pingers (notice when it gets too high, the server will reboot, too).
2. Roofers (and how they'll even hurt teammates to get up on cranes -- as RDX will hurt the RDXer and even friendlies around them from blast damage. So it's not totally FF=OFF).

Otherwise, IMO, it's #1 server for conquest. :)

it was laggy today because we were experimenting with a air maps bf2 server on the same box, it should be smooth now, ill chcek into the ping limit though, it should be at 130 or so. i do agree that rdx'ers can be a pain and i was one for the longest time, a ff off rdx whore, 12th in the world at one point and it was hella fun but i know it probably wasn't for the guys on the other end but thats why we allow it for fairness sakes, to let everyone practice the same tactics so noone has an advantage, its absolutely unavoidable in FF off servers, the best defense is a good offense and sometimes you just have to join them and chuck a little rdx on a ff off server.

[UNATCOII]

Thanks about the ping limit...THANKS, THANKS, THANKS!

For example of an experience last month is this...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t51/JCDentonII/BF2142_FMJ_UltraLag.jpg

I understand the server is popular...BUT!!!!!!...lololol

The RDXers I can handle, it's just when there's 3 of the score leaders are on at once (Blade, Zippy and AngryHussain). It becomes a madhouse then. Blade is a special offender as he pod surfs, then does the macro RDX and APM drop at once deal. What spoils the fun is taking all the time to prevent any and all of them from killing the team. It becomes a K/D fest, not a cap/win one. I notice when they're on, the server will drop in players, too. :(

But regardless, FMJ's server is rad. Used to play mostly Titan mode, until I went to your server to try Conquest. Got hooked, and never looked back.

Also want to add this also for all those who claim FF=ON servers being better...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t51/JCDentonII/Teamkilling_General.jpg

Took 3 rounds of kick votes -- over 9 minutes of play time -- to rid them off the server. A player can survive a lot longer on a FF=OFF server, than with intentional TKers (those two were shooting and FAVing over teammates) and the idiots who walk into your fire.