A way To Stop K&P

[The_Eliminator]

I dont want this to turn into a rant about whether its right or not, i just want to know your opinions on my idea.

I was thinking about the knife requirements for the badges such as gold knife and gold pistol and it occurred to me that after those requirements for the badges wouldnt it be easier for EA to stop K*P servers to put a limiter on the amount of points you can get knifing, pistoling and defibbing.

e.g.

In a round one can achieve:

20 points for knifing (thats a point a kill and any amount of tags over 20 get 0 points)

20 points for pistoling (thats a point a kill and any amount of kills over 20 get 0 points)

10 points for defibbing (thats a point a kill and any amount of kills over 10 get 0 points)



Of course there are some people who only knife in this game and so it may disadvantage some people such as Timsad but surely this would put a stop to K&P servers or limit them at best?

Though the money that goers into EA's wallet from them isnt really an incentive to close them :cry:

[MikeyC]

Why bother fighting against KP servers? Just don't go in them.

Honestly, last night one of my clan mates looked up all our rankings and I told him that I hadn't even cared to look at those for like 5 months. After you get your stars all that stuff doesn't really matter any more IMHO. I just go in where I like and play for fun. Yes, even to KP servers once in a while. No worries there; I'm ranked something like 18-19k so there's absolutely no chance of me becoming SC or anything like that. I don't and can't play often enough to even worry about that.

Sorry for my mini rant.

[The_Eliminator]

I agree with what you are saying there Mikey but im trying to provide a solution to the K&P servers, not a way around them.

[Namakan]

Report the IPs.....end of story

[UNATCOII]

If that doesn't work. Contact the upchain providers.

That'll help to ensure the server providers know that honest gamers won't tolerate their time and dime wasted at their expense.

But, for the OP, the best way to curb the whole K+P thingee, is to get a posse together and go raid their cheater dens with every weapon (besides the knife and pistol) in the game.

You may luck up that their admins aren't online, and the K+Pers (ever so wanting their stat-padding recorded) will have to resort to using the weapons as intended to prevent their stats taking a STEEP nosedive. Keep it up, and their little cheat dens will become fewer and fewer.

Besides, those who hasn't gotten their roadkill awards yet, they're perfect servers to get it. :evil:

[Vikaman]

TBH, it doesn't matter, in what way do they affect us? Nothing, they get more points, big deal?

I mean, how much more can people hug their stats, at one point in time, it will be worthless.

Knife servers, its their style of play.

I don't care what people consider me after I say this, but they play in an environment where everyone is equal in weapons, very ironic in the fact that "normal" players try to find a balance in the game, argueing about Voss, Baur etc. And yes, you can argue that takes no skill, but then again, think about what we say about using certain weapons against others, and call it no skill. Its part of the game, for people who give a rats *** about their stats, a KP server should mean nothing, otherwise, I hope you have a better stroker.

Let them be, hell, some servers are run by top server companies and providers. Nothing can be done about it by IP, its EA we are talking about, money matters.

I fully agree about limiting points to knife kills, make it 17. As that is the number needed for gold knife and pistold badges. Past that number, you will still get dogtags, but no points, and good system that should be easily implemented.

Going into a KP server and using all the weapons isn't smart either, basically you are stat padding, having an advantage over the rest. Once again, you will have nothing to be proud of, neither does any of the "awards" that you earn feel any more rewarding.

That is my arguement, we are stuck in a loop, what they do is bad, and our immature solution isn't any better.

[UNATCOII]

Going into a KP server and using all the weapons isn't smart either, basically you are stat padding, having an advantage over the rest. Once again, you will have nothing to be proud of, neither does any of the "awards" that you earn feel any more rewarding.

I love the excuse of, "they're not hurting anyone". If they weren't, they wouldn't be any K+P servers to begin with -- especially Ranked servers.

But we know the score, no one wants to play on unranked servers because of what? Stats.

So that alone puts a missile through these excuser's circular logic.

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Now for the argument about it's "stat-padding" to pounce on poor innocent stat-padders: they always have the OPTION of using their rifles, vehicles and explosives. If they CHOOSE to not do so, it's their choice to be victims, and that's not stat-padding. I'm fine if they're just willing to be fish in a barrel as they choose to be such willing victims.

If they pick up their rifles/explosives and raid back with Walkers and APCs, then no one is arguing it's wrong (well, except for stat-padding knivers and pistol shooters, but who cares what they say anyway).

BTW, there's no real logical loop, because what happens in these threads is excusers just repeating the same script. But everytime it's answered logically why it's stat-padding, and why it's not stat-padding to kill the enemy with EVERY weapon assigned to their kit.

It's that simple.

[Namakan]

Going into a KP server and using all the weapons isn't smart either, basically you are stat padding,

Its "style of play" and they choose to be defenseless

Me senses discussion, will be back

[Vikaman]

I love the excuse of, "they're not hurting anyone". If they weren't, they wouldn't be any K+P servers to begin with -- especially Ranked servers.

But we know the score, no one wants to play on unranked servers because of what? Stats.

So that alone puts a missile through these excuser's circular logic.

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Now for the argument about it's "stat-padding" to pounce on poor innocent stat-padders: they always have the OPTION of using their rifles, vehicles and explosives. If they CHOOSE to not do so, it's their choice to be victims, and that's not stat-padding. I'm fine if they're just willing to be fish in a barrel as they choose to be such willing victims.

If they pick up their rifles/explosives and raid back with Walkers and APCs, then no one is arguing it's wrong (well, except for stat-padding knivers and pistol shooters, but who cares what they say anyway).

BTW, there's no real logical loop, because what happens in these threads is excusers just repeating the same script. But everytime it's answered logically why it's stat-padding, and why it's not stat-padding to kill the enemy with EVERY weapon assigned to their kit.

It's that simple.


With such an arguement, I don't see many people venturing into KP servers to kill them with normal guns.
Surprising really, if you all say we should go into a KP server and kill them all using weapons that are "restricted" by them, why should we whine about them then?

Lets all go into a KP server and do it. I don't mind, I couldn't care less about my stats, I am serious here, give me a time and date (that is acceptable, cos I live half way across the world) and an IP, I seriously wouldn't mind joining you and killing them all. I know its contradicting to my previous post, but I ain't supporting any side here, I am completly neutral with my intentions of play.

This arguement coupled with Voss, Baur issue, can go on and on and on and on. Been since BF2.

I ain't attacking anyone or their intentions, I support both sides in their views, which in turn will mean I have no bias.

I have no idea what I typed above, as its lunch and I am hungry. :D

[UNATCOII]

Truth is too many want to play on those servers, thus willing to turn a blind eye to them. Others, if they don't play there it doesn't bother their stats, they'd careless, as they don't rationalize the Ethics of why it needs to be stamped out. It's like in real life, a 90 year-old guy gets mugged in broad daylight, with hundreds of people just watching, and none bothering to stop it.

I'd be interested in a K+P crash party under a different nick (because I would think they already banned this one already, since I speak so ill of stat-padders), and after I run a Voss-is-a-newb-rifle test, first (another forum challenge -- See Blank1? I don't run from them, but will accept to prove a point). For protection - for everyone else interested - create a disposible soldier for this task, and post publicly somewhere your K+P scores before entering, so no one can accuse you of topping off each. Protect your rep.

[RMcLeod]

Why do people complain about them? Just don't go into those servers, simple as!

[The_Eliminator]

My original post asked if this could not turn into a discussion whether they are alright or not!!

This is a discussion about how we can stop them.

Now blocking the IP's is a good way but thats time consuming, surely my idea is far more practical.

[nemesis908]

Leave them be, you wont get rid of them by taking points away. A lot of people just like to knife.

And to some other posters that think it's not hypocritical to go into knife servers and use guns. You are worse than the K&P'ers because at least when they go into those servers they go to play fairly.

You go in with the intention of spoiling someone's game and getting some quick and easy points. The truth is you dont want K&P servers banned because then your points would start to lag behind.

This...
"they choose to be defenseless"
...crap is boring, and you're not fooling anyone.

They dont choose to be defenseless, they're adequately equipped to deal with other knifers. 99% of you arent good enough to get on top of the leaderboard anyway, so even without the K&P servers you'd not be able to top it.

[Yraen]

I hear about stat wipes or something on these servers, what exactly is that? :o

[FPS[VT_NERD]]

I propose a filter that blocks any server with "knife", "pistol" "k&p", "high points" and so forth from showing up in the in-game server browser.

You could still connect to them by IP, but it would make it much harder for people who didn't know any better to accidentally venture into one. You would have to actively search for an IP online and then connect by IP.