Patch 1.40 Questions

[PHATHEAD009]

For those who have the patch working (ie isn't crashing everything in sight)

-Does the kit customization save actually work across servers, or do you still have to re-do it every time you connect to a new one?

-Is the change in the LMG's noticable in that they are worth using again, or are they still so nerfed that ganz is the way to go?

[Demize99]

The kit customization works globally.

As for the 2nd one, I'm curious to see the public's opinion, since they were oh-so-vocal about the LMGs after the last patch. Is the change: Better? Enough? Too much?

[IcecreamLtDan]

It's hard for me to answer that one right now. Most of my time in BF2142 is as a support player, but I haven't been able to play the 1.4 patch on anything other than Highway Tampa, so I can't get a true impression of the changes yet. I would have to say at this point the answer is yes, but until I can play some of the other, normal maps I can't be sure.

[angrysniper]

The kit customization works globally.

As for the 2nd one, I'm curious to see the public's opinion, since they were oh-so-vocal about the LMGs after the last patch. Is the change: Better? Enough? Too much?

I'd say its great now. I play support a lot and its very balanced out compared to how it was before (nerfed, imo).

All of the weapons seem very balanced so you guys did a great job with this patch.

[PhilCliff]

The kit customization works globally.

Jag alskar dig!

[Dtneter]

also i had a few problems with it when i click login it takes ages to connect etc and when im finnaly in all goes laggy and stuff but overal its pretty good.

[Widkidone]

As for the 2nd one, I'm curious to see the public's opinion, since they were oh-so-vocal about the LMGs after the last patch. Is the change: Better? Enough? Too much?

The change seems to be better for the LMG.

[Demize99]

Jag alskar dig!

Awe... Jag älskar dig också. :P

[TrooperJac]

Everything works fine for me.

The kit customization is patchy however. Sometimes it's saved - sometimes not. If I get switched to the other team I am by default an assault troop. If it remebered your last loadout for each class that would be ideal. If it also remembered what class you were last time also. This is a step in the right direction though! Thanks

[Shalashaska]

So Demize99, if the kits are saved permanently untill you change them, does that mean their is now no way to remoove items from your kit, without replacing them with another item?

[Merlin]

-Is the change in the LMG's noticable in that they are worth using again, or are they still so nerfed that ganz is the way to go?

The last thing we need is more support sluts, I thought they were fine & didnt need to be buffed :( After all why were they nerfed in the first place?

[Vreki]

Everything works fine for me.

The kit customization is patchy however. Sometimes it's saved - sometimes not. If I get switched to the other team I am by default an assault troop. If it remebered your last loadout for each class that would be ideal. If it also remembered what class you were last time also. This is a step in the right direction though! Thanks

Kit saving will be lost if you play 1.25, but otherwise I haven't seen it happen.
I would like it to remember that I had my rifle on single shot, but that is a minor issue.

And I know I have said this before, but please add more zoom to the minimap, It is very hard to locate people on it.

[Widkidone]

Next question: Will the official be out soon?

[TrooperJac]

Kit saving will be lost if you play 1.25, but otherwise I haven't seen it happen.


Ahh that must be it. I switch between the two regularly.

[venny]

doesnt seem so. the testing is nt finished yet. i think they will announce it when testing has ended, then a short wait, then the official release

[atlas305]

Going back to bf2 the PKM was far superior imo. You could also do single shots for better accuracy, not so much with the gangz or lmg. The HMG still overheats too quickly, so the faster reload for the clark in the new patch will make support the best kit once again. Time to dust off the old support kit!

[The_Eliminator]

The kit customization works globally.

As for the 2nd one, I'm curious to see the public's opinion, since they were oh-so-vocal about the LMGs after the last patch. Is the change: Better? Enough? Too much?

Demize could you try and input into the patch so we dont have to drag and drop the items but also have the ability to double click them as it has been asked of many times before and sometimes dragging them is very frustrating.

[ohsosharp]

Demize could you try and input into the patch so we dont have to drag and drop the items but also have the ability to double click them as it has been asked of many times before and sometimes dragging them is very frustrating.

you lazy git. j/k

[venny]

i think demize or someone explained before, cos if u double click on it, the game wouldnt know which one to replace cos u got 2 slots.

[Vreki]

i think demize or someone explained before, cos if u double click on it, the game wouldnt know which one to replace cos u got 2 slots.

Then make it a queue, first click goes to the top slot, next goes to the bottom slot.. The actual placement of the unlocks doesn't matter anyway, they will be assigned to the same keys regardless. Unless you are using an unlock weapon, in which case they will be switched :shakehead:

[tonks950]

Queuing is no good, what if I had my defib in slot 1 and my rockets in slot 2 and I wanted to replace my rockets with the shotgun attachment? If I understood your post correctly that means I would have to click on the defib and then click on the shotgun.

I'm not sure which method would be better but right now I prefer the drag 'n drop system.

[Vreki]

Queuing is no good, what if I had my defib in slot 1 and my rockets in slot 2 and I wanted to replace my rockets with the shotgun attachment? If I understood your post correctly that means I would have to click on the defib and then click on the shotgun.

That is correct, but you could still do it in less that a second. And shotgun first defib second would be exactly the same, since it makes no difference what slot you place them in.



I'm not sure which method would be better but right now I prefer the drag 'n drop system.
I see no reason why they should be mutually exclusive, both methods could be available.

But with the introduction of kit saving in 1.40, this become a very minor issue.

[Raidyr]

The last thing we need is more support sluts, I thought they were fine & didnt need to be buffed :( After all why were they nerfed in the first place?

They are not fine right now. They WERE fine.

To put it in perspective, about 5-10% of Support players used the Ganz.

Now I would say ATLEAST 50% of Support players use the Ganz.

This is assuming they have the Ganz, and they do not have the clark. Strictly LMG vs Ganz.

[Demize99]

Going back to bf2 the PKM was far superior imo. You could also do single shots for better accuracy, not so much with the gangz or lmg.

We purposefully avoided the single shot LMG in 2142. Having the LMGs start with bad accuracy but get more accurate as they fired allowed us to make the LMG something other than a beefed up assault rifle.

[venny]

the modern pkm... yeah, gd choice

[sogek1ng]

All I know is venny I think I am going to follow you and kill you some later on today. So watch your back buddy.

[The_Eliminator]

Yea the queue idea would work well if a double click idea was implemented. |I think its worth a go. Its not hard to implement and isnt this what betas are all about implementing and trying new things?

[m3talc0re]

What's the quickest and easiest way to remove this stupid patch? or am I going to have to reinstall the game... ?

[Aedus]

What's the quickest and easiest way to remove this stupid patch? or am I going to have to reinstall the game... ?

You are SUPPOSED to back-up all of your files, so you can just play normally again when you want to, if you were dumb enough to not read then it's your fault.

[m3talc0re]

I didn't think about backing my files up and I didn't read anything anywhere about warning me to back them up.

[SonicPixel]

A lot of us have learned the lesson (about duplicating the game directory before patching) the hard way. It's inconvenient enough to have to delete and reinstall everything to form a solid enough memory to never modify your game content before backing up.

Just take a few minutes to uninstall. Hopefully you still have your EA download cache or the retail DVD handy. It only takes a few minutes to reinstall.

Don't feel too bad, m3talc0re. You'll be back in the game taking dogtags before long.

[Clayton Gold]

After I installed 1.4 beta, I am unable to join any games. It loads fine, but as soon as I click 'join game' I get a CTD.

I've cleaned everything up, and reinstalled with the usual bag of tricks, but same problem. Anyone else have this problem and know a fix ?

[Vreki]

After I installed 1.4 beta, I am unable to join any games. It loads fine, but as soon as I click 'join game' I get a CTD.

I've cleaned everything up, and reinstalled with the usual bag of tricks, but same problem. Anyone else have this problem and know a fix ?

I had the same problem when I applied the full patch to 1.25, but using only the incremental version fixed it for me.

[DrJambo]

I like the speedier shotgun, not that I didn't like it before! Nice to see it can really compete in close quarter combat with all those assault players.

[Harlequin]

After I installed 1.4 beta, I am unable to join any games. It loads fine, but as soon as I click 'join game' I get a CTD.

I've cleaned everything up, and reinstalled with the usual bag of tricks, but same problem. Anyone else have this problem and know a fix ?

I used the incremental version for 1.40, but still have the same problem.

[rowdyman]

We purposefully avoided the single shot LMG in 2142. Having the LMGs start with bad accuracy but get more accurate as they fired allowed us to make the LMG something other than a beefed up assault rifle. Thank you for that BTW,

I didn't think about backing my files up and I didn't read anything anywhere about warning me to back them up. This is why I leave it up to you brave souls to do the beta, I'll just sit back and reap you the rewards of your hard work.

I like the speedier shotgun, not that I didn't like it before! Nice to see it can really compete in close quarter combat with all those assault players. I can't wait, I already put up a wee bit of fight, but I think the buffed ROF may help a bit too.

[Merlin]

They are not fine right now. They WERE fine.

To put it in perspective, about 5-10% of Support players used the Ganz.

Now I would say ATLEAST 50% of Support players use the Ganz.

This is assuming they have the Ganz, and they do not have the clark. Strictly LMG vs Ganz.

I deffenetly have to dissagree with you , mainly becuse before they sorted it support sluts were able to strafe and still get headsots from 75 meters away :(

The LMG's are support weapons not assault rifles.

[Slim1951]

Hey Merlin,

Is that a "support slut" that I see firing a Clark in your signature? You might wish to rethink your terminology since it casts aspersions on an entire class. All classes have their place and are useful. Right now I find less support people than any other class played so I find your comments unsupported. Maybe in the past that was not the case but we are currently in 1.25 and things have changed.;)

[Harlequin]

I always play support, and freely admit that I'm a slut!:p Not in Bf 2142, though!;)

[Merlin]

Hey Merlin,

Is that a "support slut" that I see firing a Clark in your signature? You might wish to rethink your terminology since it casts aspersions on an entire class. All classes have their place and are useful. Right now I find less support people than any other class played so I find your comments unsupported. Maybe in the past that was not the case but we are currently in 1.25 and things have changed.;)

What has the Clark got to do with LMG's?

Yeah I know you generally see less support guys ATM, but what im fearing is once DICE make the changes to LMG's there will be loads of players taking the LMG just so they get an accurate weapon with loads of bullets that can out shoot snipers & run around like rambo!!!

Anyone remeber the M60 from BFV? Even worse than the PKM from BF2. Different games exactly the same problem :(

[Demize99]

I'd love to see you run around with an LMG and hit anything past 5m. Up to and including the side of a barn. :)

[Vreki]

I'd love to see you run around with an LMG and hit anything past 5m. Up to and including the side of a barn. :)

Hitting anything is easy, just watch this actual combat footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXM5uv5oWqg

Now hitting something specific might be a different matter :D

[Harlequin]

Hitting ANYTHING is easy? You've never seen me play then, Vreki!:laugh:

[FeldwebelHans]

The kit customization works globally.

As for the 2nd one, I'm curious to see the public's opinion, since they were oh-so-vocal about the LMGs after the last patch. Is the change: Better? Enough? Too much?
Being a fan of the Bianchi LMG I really hate the changes made in 1.25. After playing 1.40 Beta for a few rounds, I have the following comments concerning the Bianchi and Shuko LMGs.

- The up/down and left/right recoil were doubled in 1.25. In 1.40 the left/right recoil was changed back to pre-1.25 numbers, but the up/down recoil is still twice what it used to be. This causes excesive recoil in the upward direction after a long burst of fire. Since the LMGs need long bursts of fire to become accurate, the excessive up/down recoil is still a detriment to accurate suppressive fire. LMGs are supposed to be able to support the riflemen on the move, hence the reason why they are light. If you need to go prone to shoot accurately, then the Gantz is more appropriate (especially when defending static positions). Please change the up/down recoil variables to their original values. There is no reason for this change in the first place.

On the positive side, the changes made to the Clark shotgun and SCAR-11 are long overdue and welcome. The Clark is now a more effective CQB weapon, the rapid follow-up shots makes it a weapon to be feared by the assault class at close range. The SCAR-11 recoil reduction and increase in accuracy during burst fire put this weapon on equal footing when going against the Voss or Krylov.