Battlefield 3 Details Leaked

[Voop_Bacon]

Just found this on gamespot.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=25970699&om_act=convert&om_clk=multimodule&tag=multimodule;picks;title;1

Woot read down it and we gonna get 40 players per side!!!!!!:yay:

[Micster]

http://games.internode.on.net/content.php?mode=news&id=2051

:D

[sharp65]

That's not an announcement, its a supposed leaked fact sheet. I'll believe it when EA/DICE has a press release.

[Minmaster]

wow this makes no sense because DICE recently said they are moving away from the BF franchise to develop different kind of games. maybe they realized they should stick to what they know how to do.

no wonder they abandoned 2142 so early. probably the same thing will happen when BF3 is released.

[tonks950]

Hmmm pretty interesting, be nice to hear an official response or see the leaked pdf.

[|D|-Max]

the leaked info suggests the game will only be released for Windows Vista PCs and the Mac's OS X, with Windows XP users left out in the cold.

I want be getting it, if its true.

[bravespear]

maybe they realized they should stick to what they know how to do.


LMAO!
Provide buggy games?

:laugh::laugh:

[Namakan]

Powered by "Frostbite DX"

Good :D

BF2 with out the screw ups sounds like

[Bladeeagle]

Another Modern combat? Jeez. Games are getting too cliche these days...

[nemes1s]

You should change the title of this thread to "Rumor: Battlefield 3 In 2008?" because it has not yet been confirmed, if anything it's a bunch of kids trying to screw around with the video gaming media.

If some how it's true, then the only thing I liked in that list is,

• Built-in auto software updater.

And what I didn't like at all in that list is,

• Lack of XP support. Meaning only Vista/DX10 users will be able to play the game.

[Rick Astley]

Lol, lack of XP support = instant fail to the game because Vista fails.

[Ghost 1800]

... the battalion stuff looked interesting, wish we knew more about it.

[Tetris L]

That's not an announcement, its a supposed leaked fact sheet. I'll believe it when EA/DICE has a press release.
Yes, that's right. But it all makes perfect sense. GameSpot rates it as "Tentative not bogus". And GameSpot isn't just some amateur fansite. Along with GameSpy/IGN they are the biggest and most influential gaming website on the internet. They are usually very careful about spreading rumors.

DICE recently said they are moving away from the BF franchise
When/where did they say that? Verbatim quote with link, or shuddup! :p ;)

[nemes1s]

Even though GameSpot isn't just some amateur fansite, the article is still under a feature titled Rumor Control, not everything in there comes out as a done deal.

[Tetris L]

Of course, that's right. GameSpot makes it very clear that this is unconfirmed by EA/Dice.

But the fact alone that they report it and that they publically rate it as "not bogus" makes me believe it. Like I said, GameSpot isn't just some gaming website. They are one of the major marketing partners of the gaming industry and the industry feeds them with information directly, and they have early access to confidential information. Chances are, they already had that very same PDF file Digital Battle is reporting about long before Digital Battle, only they kept it confidential. But now that some other site leaked it, and the cat is out of the bag anyway, they are allowed to talk about it without breaching their own NDA, and without jeopardizing their relationship with EA.

Leaking rumors is part of gaming marketing. Making early announcements is not wise, because if plans are changed later the fans are going to cry: "They broke their promise! Liars!" But if you leak unofficial information nobody can blame you later if you change anything, because the info was never official in the first place. ;)

[so1id sn@ke]

Woot! Mac OSX support! :nod:

Anyway, 17 weapons? 2 sides? That I'm kinda disappointed in. (Also, how are you going to divide 17 weapons equally? :p )

Also, more players is not essentially better, more TK'ing for vehicles and spam? Come on now.

Another Modern combat? Jeez. Games are getting too cliche these days...

Modern is going the way of WW2, I'm hoping to see more futuristic games.


Also, how dare they call 2142 a spinoff........

And shame on the person commenting on gamespot saying "I hope there's more jets".

[XxSTAM1NAxX]

Woot! Mac OSX support! :nod:

Anyway, 17 weapons? 2 sides? That I'm kinda disappointed in. (Also, how are you going to divide 17 weapons equally? :p )
I read its 17 per side. So that makes 34 Weapons / 2.

[Vreki]

Lol, lack of XP support = instant fail to the game because Vista fails.

It does look a bit suspicious, what could they gain by excluding XP? (Except a bribe from MicroSoft).
XP may be on its way out, but I don expect that to happen in 2008.
In fact I recently read an article about major PC manufactures pressuring MS to allow them to continue to sell pre-installed XP.

[tonks950]

I can honestly say that in one years time I believe more people will be using Vista, so I don't see what the majority of complaints are about, they seem to think its coming out tomorrow and don't feel like being suddenly forced into upgrading.

Also there's just a few comments here or there made from people who believe they know 2142 but sound as if they have never even played it.

[Vreki]

I can honestly say that in one years time I believe more people will be using Vista, so I don't see what the majority of complaints are about, they seem to think its coming out tomorrow and don't feel like being suddenly forced into upgrading.


More people sure, but the majority?
I tried finding info about which percentage currenly uses XP or Vista, but was unable to find any. Anybody knows a good source for this info?

[Tetris L]

Just a note to whoever changed the thread title: The new one isn't any better or less misleading than the old one. :p


I tried finding info about which percentage currenly uses XP or Vista, but was unable to find any. Anybody knows a good source for this info?
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp :salute:

[Vreki]

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp :salute:

Thanks, I also finally found this: http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

Both says that XP has a 20:1 lead on Vista.
That is not going to change to Vista dominance before the end of 2008.

[Tetris L]

That is not going to change to Vista dominance before the end of 2008.
Currently about 75% of all PCs run XP, and that percentage probably won't drop below 50% by the end of 2008. There's no way any major game developer will publish a PC game without XP/DX9 support, because this would mean that they would alienate more than half of their potential customers. That would be downright stupid. (Unless Micro$oft pays them an enormous amount of compensation money for this marketing stunt, of course.) That's the reason why it'll take a while until games are designed exclusively for DX10/Vista.

Another important aspect is the fact that none of the latest generation game consoles, not even Microsoft's very own Xbox 360, uses DX10. Designing a game exclusively for DX10 not only denies EA half of the PC customers, but also all of the console customers.

[Sentience]

We don't comment on rumors or speculation. Currently announced titles from DICE are Battlefield Bad Company and Mirror's Edge, you'll hear from us officially as soon as we have anything further to announce. For any future announcements regarding Battlefield keep an eye on www.battlefield.com (http://www.battlefield.com/).

[Vreki]

Deja Vu, this is just like when the NS info was leaked!
First we will get "nothing announced, and no comment btw." and then when they start to remove the threads we can proclaim it a rock solid fact :D

[Quemical]

They should call it battlefield 2.5 if they take it back to modern day.

[nemes1s]

Mirror's Edge?! I've never heard of this.

[Scinto]

http://www.gamersquad.com/category/First-person-shooters/EA-Mirrors-Edge-will-revolutionise-FPS-genre/

another console game

[Sentience]

another console game

Development also encompases a PC version.

[« R²» P§I]

We don't comment on rumors or speculation. Currently announced titles from DICE are Battlefield Bad Company and Mirror's Edge, you'll hear from us officially as soon as we have anything further to announce. For any future announcements regarding Battlefield keep an eye on www.battlefield.com (http://www.battlefield.com/).

Nice CM for PR, only way to get anything is speculating threads to make them post. Not like it used to be.

[Biotech2142]

We don't comment on rumors or speculation. Currently announced titles from DICE are Battlefield Bad Company and Mirror's Edge, you'll hear from us officially as soon as we have anything further to announce. For any future announcements regarding Battlefield keep an eye on www.battlefield.com (http://www.battlefield.com/).

I remember a similar statement when the BF2142 video was leaked like a month before it was officially announced :laugh:

[Vreki]

I remember a similar statement when the BF2142 video was leaked like a month before it was officially announced :laugh:

Yeah, I don't think I have ever seen them deny / "no comment" any rumours that weren't true :rolleyes:

In the name of science I ought to post a bogus rumour about a new BF2142 booster to see if they will comment on that ;)

[Biotech2142]

I predict another BF2 patch to assure a happy BF2 to BF3 migration instead a BF2142 booster.

Here is the reason for my prediction:

There's nothing official to announce about a possible patch but I can say that it's something we continue to pursue. Unfortunately it's not as simple as that, numerous details still need to be investigated and confirmed before we know if this will happen or not. As Community Manager for DICE there's nothing I currently want to see more as it's unquestionably the #1 request for Battlefield right now. As such, I'm doing what I can to try and make it happen but nothing is guaranteed yet.

In short, we definitely still hear you, we're doing what we can here to make things happen, however until things are certain it's not possible to call either way. We realise it's a frustrating wait, however as soon as we have a definite answer, so will you guys.


http://www.forums.electronicarts.co.uk/showthread.php?t=280448

It was made sticky yesterday.

This might be the reason: http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

As you can see, BF2 is razing....nah, just holding that 3rd position from a long time, even if it still 2 years old and full of bugs unlike BF2142.


Honestly, BF2 would be stronger if Dice didn't screwed it too much with the nerfing.

[The_Eliminator]

We don't comment on rumors or speculation. Currently announced titles from DICE are Battlefield Bad Company and Mirror's Edge, you'll hear from us officially as soon as we have anything further to announce. For any future announcements regarding Battlefield keep an eye on www.battlefield.com (http://www.battlefield.com/).

This for me is basically saying "i know that its true but am not going to let on that i know its true :p"

Maybe there is hope.

you'll hear from us officially as soon as we have anything further to announce. .

Possibly around jan 2008?? ;) :D

[Vreki]

This for me is basically saying "i know that its true but am not going to let on that i know its true :p"


You have to admire EA, it has taken a lot of work to achieve inverse credibility.:rolleyes:

[The_Eliminator]

I admire their business skills ;)

[RangerXML]

Well, gives ma something to look forward to and build my new PC around next year. And I know I won't be buying it online unless Steam handles it.

And I'm super psych that theres a rumored new BF2 patch!! One can dream.

[Diamond621]

*yawn*

"Leaking" information like this is a very common marketing tactic to draw attention to a company and/or site. I would not even blink if the entire thing were pulled out of Gamespot's collective asses, and I'd encourage no one else to put excessive stock in unconfirmed rumors and speculation - they are called that for a reason.

I'll treat it with some credibility if/when it is confirmed by EA/DICE.

[SonicPixel]

...and I'm honestly not caring too much for something which will not bear fruit until 2009. I know they said 2008, but we all know how things really work out.

There are enough great games just released or coming within the next 60 days to keep me occupied until BF3 becomes official.

TF2 for the short term win, CoD4 for the next major win (we're counting on you!).

[Wizrdwarts]

Only 8 maps and only 40 players per server? :cry:

[RangerXML]

Only 8 maps and only 40 players per server? :cry:

40 players per side, I think these will be big maps.

[SonicPixel]

I'm down with that number if they would commit to regular content updates...

What do you say, DICE? Will you supply the hard core gaming community who gather each day to play your games hour-upon-hour with content updates?

[Wizrdwarts]

40 players per side, I think these will be big maps.

Just re read the article. 40 per team is right!

*nerdgasm*

Hmmm.... all the BF3 threads at TBF2 are getting locked...
Edit: Oh, it's because there's a thread about it in the news. No conspiracy here. :(

[nemes1s]

40 players per team is a bad idea, that is to say if they're going to implement the "90% destructable environment" technology in the game, it'll lag us to high hell and back.

I wish TBF would clear this thing up, or even DICE or EA.. that would be nice..

[The_Eliminator]

40 players per team is a bad idea, that is to say if they're going to implement the "90% destructable environment" technology in the game, it'll lag us to high hell and back.

I wish TBF would clear this thing up, or even DICE or EA.. that would be nice..

i think it means up to 40 players per side. I still think a standard 12vs12 would be ok in that kind of environment.

[sene]

If this is true I hope they incorporate some of the better aspects of bf2142.

I do not want to see dolphin diving in battlefield 3.Nor do I want to see c4 bunny hopping.I want check and balances not one class or one vehicle rules all.

I like the more diverse maps and weapons in battlefield 2.I hate some of the badge/medal and ranking requirements.


Here is what I want to see in battlefield 3 most of all.Constant anti cheat software updates,constant bug finding and fixing.A first person battlerecorder default on all servers.Better yet have it a split screen replay so that the killer and the killed appear on screen same time.It would make it so easy to identify cheaters this way.

[TheLeper]

If this is true I hope they incorporate some of the better aspects of bf2142.

I do not want to see dolphin diving in battlefield 3.Nor do I want to see c4 bunny hopping.I want check and balances not one class or one vehicle rules all.

I like the more diverse maps and weapons in battlefield 2.I hate some of the badge/medal and ranking requirements.


Here is what I want to see in battlefield 3 most of all.Constant anti cheat software updates,constant bug finding and fixing.A first person battlerecorder default on all servers.Better yet have it a split screen replay so that the killer and the killed appear on screen same time.It would make it so easy to identify cheaters this way.

when you die a quick replay in the spawn screen showing this would be cool

when it comes down to it battlerecorder vids arent that big why not just download to the client machine while loading the next level, its a long time since dialup so it shouldnt be a problem speed wise though youd need a checkbox to turn it off as if you didnt want the files you dont want to be forced into receiving them

[sharp65]

I honestly hope they include nothing of 2142. Start fresh, they have a clean slate.

[Seppuku]

This might be the reason: http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/

Rofl, is that even possibly close to accurate? There are only 3,000 people playing this game?? That's so sad it's hilarious...

[Vreki]

Rofl, is that even possibly close to accurate? There are only 3,000 people playing this game?? That's so sad it's hilarious...

It matches the numbers form game-monitor (http://www.game-monitor.com/search.php?game=bf2142) pretty well

But remember that this show how many are playing at the same time, not the total number of people who plays BF2142.

[Rick Astley]

Well, at the average time there are 10000 people playing this game. And Battlefield 2 comes close to the 20000 people.

[Sentience]

This for me is basically saying "i know that its true but am not going to let on that i know its true :p"

I honestly wouldn't read anything into that statement either way, however much fun speculation is, but you're welcome to bookmark this thread just in case. ;)

[Ghost 1800]

>_>
<_<

It's all a conspiracy!

*retreats into shadowy corner with shifty eyes*

[Tetris L]

This might be the reason: http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/
I know I referred people to these stats myself short time ago, but unfortunatly I'm afraight they are not up to date. GameSpy seem to not update these stats any more. The numbers haven't changed in a while. At one point a few weeks back GameSpy moved the page from http://www.gamespy.com/stats/ to http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/. Note the "archive". Damn, there goes my #1 resource for game comparison player stats. :(
*yawn* "Leaking" information like this is a very common marketing tactic to draw attention to a company and/or site. I would not even blink if the entire thing were pulled out of Gamespot's collective asses, and I'd encourage no one else to put excessive stock in unconfirmed rumors and speculation - they are called that for a reason. I'll treat it with some credibility if/when it is confirmed by EA/DICE.
Yes, "leaking" information is a common marketing tactic to draw attention to a game, a company and/or site. But you didn't think it through. Who has an interest in leaking information and spreading rumors, long term and short term? It's easy to make up a rumor and put it on the web to draw some short term attention to a website. Maybe a minor website like Digital Battle would do that. But especially if the rumor turns out to be FALSE, mid to long term the website loses credibility with both the fans and even worse, the game developers. The relationship between gaming websites and game developers is usually a mutual benefit cooperation. The websites help the game companies to advertise their games, and in turn the game companies feed the websites with exclusive information, screenshots, features, interviews, etc, which draws attention to the website. If you piss off a game company, they won't supply you with the good stuff any more. Therefore, most professional gaming websites have a policy of not spreading rumors or leaked information, unless the involved game company (secretly) approves it. A major website like GameSpot, who maintains very close relationship with all major game publishers, has no interest at all to piss off the biggest game publisher of all (EA) by "pulling a thing [(fake, false rumor)] out of their collective asses" only for some short time attention. They don't have to pull anything out of their asses because the game companies feed them with the latest (often still confidential) information first hand. But if the game companies ask them to treat the information confidential, they will comply. Therefore I'm pretty sure that before they put the leaked information (which somebody else leaked, not they!) on the news somebody at GameSpot talked to somebody at EA or Dice.

[haslo]

somebody at GameSpot talked to somebody at EA or Dice.
And most certainly they weren't grunts, higher management I guess :)

Still, it's as of yet unconfirmed, so nothing's certain yet.

[Bubas]

I have a friend that has a cousin that knows a guy that is a friend to a Dice Developer...and this rumour is true.

P.S. - Aside from the failed joke I belive if Gamespot has posted it and claims that probably it´s true then it will be true, I bet that before they posted it they contacted DICE or EA and they gave the green light to the news.

[The_Eliminator]

I honestly wouldn't read anything into that statement either way, however much fun speculation is, but you're welcome to bookmark this thread just in case. ;)

*psychological analysis*

got me fooled :confused:

[Biotech2142]

I know I referred people to these stats myself short time ago, but unfortunatly I'm afraight they are not up to date. GameSpy seem to not update these stats any more. The numbers haven't changed in a while. At one point a few weeks back GameSpy moved the page from http://www.gamespy.com/stats/ to http://archive.gamespy.com/stats/. Note the "archive". Damn, there goes my #1 resource for game comparison player stats. :(


Still game-monitor.com numbers are up to date and matches with those numbers.


I honestly wouldn't read anything into that statement either way, however much fun speculation is, but you're welcome to bookmark this thread just in case. ;)

Oh yeah!

People, focus here:

Mirror Edge

Battlefield: Bad Company

Need some neon effects...

[Tetris L]

And most certainly they weren't grunts, higher management I guess :)
Nah, this is daily business. No need to bother the big bosses. It's not like the BF3 source code has been leaked or something. Merely an information that was supposed to be released to the public in 2-3 months time anyway. It may be a bit premature now, but it's not a big deal. Maybe it's even welcome for marketing. :cool:

[Timh27]

I seem to remember something simular happening with bf2142 where a video was 'leaked' before it was meant to be. If this info is true then you would have thought ea/dice would have learnt with the bf2142 incident.

[Rick Astley]

I really really really hope BF3 will even FAIL more then 2142 did.

[XxSTAM1NAxX]

Wouldn't it be better to hope for the best and not the worst? Well, I am hoping for the best cause BF is a hell lot of fun to play.

[Vreki]

Wouldn't it be better to hope for the best and not the worst? Well, I am hoping for the best cause BF is a hell lot of fun to play.

Yes, but a great BF3 would collide with my "Never buy EA again" decision.
It will be much easier to stear clear of EA if they only release crap games ;)

[Tetris L]

I seem to remember something simular happening with bf2142 where a video was 'leaked' before it was meant to be. If this info is true then you would have thought ea/dice would have learnt with the bf2142 incident.
It happens all the time in the gaming industry. It's hard to keep information confidential when you deal with hundreds of people in-house and in affiliated media partners. People in media, communications and marketing tend to be chatty, you know. ;)

But then, marketing information leaking early usually doesn't do much harm. Quite the opposite. In the very early stage of game development it can be better to "release" (deliberately leak) unconfirmed information than to make official announcements. Many game companies have learned the hard way that officially released details about a new game makes them look bad if the game is delayed or redesigned. But if you never said anything official, nobody can blame you.

Now, a leak of the game code itself is a whole different league (pun intended :)). And even that happens (Unreal 2, Doom 3, Half Life 2, Lineage 2, ...).

[SonicPixel]

I really really really hope BF3 will even FAIL more then 2142 did.

And why are you here then? Perhaps you were just having a bad moment. This is a place to discuss BF2142, but you really wish for the next installment to fail. That is baffling to me. :confused:

Wouldn't it be better to hope for the best and not the worst? Well, I am hoping for the best cause BF is a hell lot of fun to play.

Exactly. :yay:

Yes, but a great BF3 would collide with my "Never buy EA again" decision.
It will be much easier to stear clear of EA if they only release crap games ;)

True, true. I will not buy any EA game other than a Battlefield series game. I've had enough of their shenanigans. They've turded on us every possible opportunity. DICE to me is a different story. But, since they've partnered with the evil overlords I'm a lot more watchful. ;)

Those stats from the Game Spy 'archive' are still valid. They do change and pretty closely match Game Monitor's results, too. The overwhelming winner is Half-Life.

It seems like modded content rules the day as there are a ton of HL servers and players. I sure wish the game devs would take note of this as so much revenue comes from server rentals. You'd think they'd come up with a new strat to fully endorse the modding community and thus keep a nice constant flow of revenue available.

The sad part is to see that BF2 has twice as many active players as BF2142. But, I'm one of those BF2142 fans who really hasn't been playing BF2142 lately because it is stale after hundreds & hundreds of hours of game play. I for one would like to get new content every 3-4 months and would be willing to pay for it.

.

[Erhardt]

I really really really hope BF3 will even FAIL more then 2142 did.
Pfft... I should live so long as to reap the kind of money 2142's "failure" produced.

I for one would like to get new content every 3-4 months and would be willing to pay for it.
Same here. I'd be very willing to drop $10 into the 2142 bucket every quarter for a few new maps. Unlocks would be nice too, but I don't know how much more they can really add there without going overboard into silliness.

And of course free would always be better, but again, I'll be happy enough to pay if that's the way they want to do it. I've certainly gotten far more than my money's worth out of the game to date, so another investment would only further that along.

[D3lit3]

We don't comment on rumors or speculation. Currently announced titles from DICE are Battlefield Bad Company and Mirror's Edge, you'll hear from us officially as soon as we have anything further to announce. For any future announcements regarding Battlefield keep an eye on www.battlefield.com (http://www.battlefield.com/).

Good job hiding the truth DICE.

http://webpages.charter.net/rforton/pics/applauseKane.gif

[Rick Astley]

And why are you here then? Perhaps you were just having a bad moment. This is a place to discuss BF2142, but you really wish for the next installment to fail. That is baffling to me. :confused:
Because WE are getting ripped off again by DICE! Having to wait 3 months for a patch that's in beta testing and only fixed some visuals of a pool! **** me, that's straight ******** they haven't been looking 3 months for some improvement on a pool.

No updates on BF2 or 2142 in that time being, they are just trying to rush their rip-off games and try to break the world record of bringing out patches. BF2142 and BF2 will get left out in the cold with ( i'm sure ) 1.40 being the last patch ever for 2142.

If all that information on BF3 is real, i wouldn't be buying it. Only the graphics will be awesome, but that's all. And you still have Crysis for beautiful graphics. BF3 will only just be a further improved version of 2142 and BF2, with a few new features.....great.....

Only 2 factions? Well, hooray! NOT!!!!
37 new weapons? Sniper Decoy, Stabiliser, NS boots thingies all over again. In other words, useless weapons that no one will ever use.
And i can go on with that new Battalion thing too, but never mind.


Although i would like DICE to prove me wrong there, but i really think they won't...

[XxSTAM1NAxX]

First, you are getting all excited about a rumor which is not a good start.
Second, it seems that you are finished with BF anyway. What is there more to want then a polished, bug free and nice-to-the-eye BF3? I dunno, but I certainly hope they keep doing the same gameplay. Even if the rumor is true, we don't know anything about weapons, vehicles, maps or unlocks. So it's way to early to get all messed up about it. Yes, I don't know nothing about this as everyone here, but I think you shouldn't judge something that you haven't seen yet. As said before, if true, let's hope for the best and 50 good spend dollars.

[Biotech2142]

Many complaints about BF series are a rip of money....but most of these complainers play it at least 10 hrs weekly and/or even more than any other game console or PC game they own.

If it is so bad, then why they occupy the top 10 of most played FPS since release?

Only an hypocrite or some (name a FPS here) fan-boy would say that the BF series are bad.

[The_Eliminator]

First, you are getting all excited about a rumor which is not a good start.
Second, it seems that you are finished with BF anyway. What is there more to want then a polished, bug free and nice-to-the-eye BF3? I dunno, but I certainly hope they keep doing the same gameplay. Even if the rumor is true, we don't know anything about weapons, vehicles, maps or unlocks. So it's way to early to get all messed up about it. Yes, I don't know nothing about this as everyone here, but I think you shouldn't judge something that you haven't seen yet. As said before, if true, let's hope for the best and 50 good spend dollars.

Could at least have said £20 ;)

[SonicPixel]

Well, I'm sorry some folks feel hostile towards DICE. They've brought me hours-upon-hours of enjoyment, so I'm actually quite fond of them.

I work as part of a development team so I'm well acquainted with the conflict which arises when 'the business' forces you do do things which will bring in additional revenue vs. making existing things nicer. It's tough and I bet that most of DICE's dev staff are working on another project and they do more than just Battlefield franchise development.

I'm willing to give them some slack in the hopes that they'll get around to working on the projects I care about. If they don't someone else will and they will have lost a once-dedicated fanboy.

I hope that they are taking the best of all BF games and rolling it into a next-gen Battlefield which picks up where BF2 leaves off. With that hope, patience is a virtue which will serve me well and I hope that others might develop it also.

DICE, we're counting on you. Don't let us down. :salute:

[Drewsly]

i hope this is true i really injoy the battlefeild series

[Vreki]

Many complaints about BF series are a rip of money....but most of these complainers play it at least 10 hrs weekly and/or even more than any other game console or PC game they own.

Only an hypocrite or some (name a FPS here) fan-boy would say that the BF series are bad.

The BF series are not bad, but:

Poor support and feedback on bug reports
In game ads (which gave us nothing and became rather blatant)
The latests EADM stunt


All add up in my black book.

[Rick Astley]

Is it me or don't i get the point of Stamina's post? Is he talking to me or something? :confused:

I think you guys get me all wrong, so here's my point again:

I would LIKE to have a great Battlefield game, but i don't trust DICE they would do a great job. I used to be a DICE fanboy. But since their patch 1.41 beta prank, i don't trust them anymore and creating a great game. Look at the stats of Gamespy and look at them at 5, 10000 at peak. But that's the average of course.

Vreki pretty much sums up all the big points here and he is right! You must a very naive DICE fanboy to say he isn't right.

Also it's quite sad for sonicpixel that he says: ''Don't let us down DICE''
Well, i'm pretty sure they won't do that :rolleyes: Anyone forgot about how BF2 would have been like? With penetratable walls and stuff and with laser designating.....all left out. Even on some of the retail boxes you can find that the game supports the penetratable walls :laugh:

[XxSTAM1NAxX]

Is it me or don't i get the point of Stamina's post? Is he talking to me or something? :confused:
I was referring to your post, yes.
By the way, it's kinda rude talking like that, don't you think so? I am here to talk with you, no need to ignore me.

[Erhardt]

Because WE are getting ripped off again by DICE! Having to wait 3 months for a patch that's in beta testing and only fixed some visuals of a pool! **** me, that's straight ******** they haven't been looking 3 months for some improvement on a pool.
Breathe. Now look up a few more threads on the subject, they took 3 months to fix more than the pool graphics. I daresay the majority of their effort doubtlessly went into quashing the bug that kept crashing the game.

No updates on BF2 or 2142 in that time being, they are just trying to rush their rip-off games and try to break the world record of bringing out patches.
I have to know... did you write that first paragraph, and then the second, all with a straight face the entire time? :laugh:

Seriously... Wailing about how long it's taking them to finish the patch in one breath, and then declaring they are just rushing through the patch in the next puts a pretty serious dent in some already suspect credibility.

BF2142 and BF2 will get left out in the cold with ( i'm sure ) 1.40 being the last patch ever for 2142.
They seem to be done with BF2. Being done is a far cry from leaving it out in the cold. Absolutely, among the throngs of players who still play it, there are complaints about things that they want fixed/changed, but come on. The game plays, and it's about as balanced as it's ever going to get considering the audience that plays it can never reach a consensus of opinion on any single issue. DICE will never, ever, be able to make the game perfect until all the players are lobotomized.

If all that information on BF3 is real, i wouldn't be buying it.
Duly noted.

Although i would like DICE to prove me wrong there, but i really think they won't...
Just remember, if they do, you're still boned, because you won't be buying it (see above)! :D

Honestly... you need to relax. "It's just a game, Fokker!" ;) If you're getting this torqued over it, move on to something else and be done with it. You're living a world spoiled for choice, take advantage of it and quit advertising the chip on your shoulder.

[SonicPixel]

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I think you guys get me all wrong, so here's my point again:

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Vreki pretty much sums up all the big points here and he is right! You must a very naive DICE fanboy to say he isn't right.

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Also it's quite sad for sonicpixel that he says: ''Don't let us down DICE''
Well, i'm pretty sure they won't do that :rolleyes:

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I think we got you right: you're pissed off and hostile. We're all trying to say, this is not an official announcement. Take a second and collect yourself.

Vreki has some valid points. Listen, nothing I do is perfect. Nothing the organization I work for does is perfect. Our government and religions are not perfect. Why do we hold a gaming company up to such incredibly high standards. They make mistakes and they make decisions to impact their bottom line -- it's the way of the world.

I'm not sure why it is sad for me to express that I don't want DICE to let us down with BF3, but you're allowed to have your own opinions. I tend to be optimistic and supportive. If that conflicts with your hostility and very negative attitude, it's your issue not mine.

[Wizrdwarts]

Yeah is it just me or do BF games come out with less and less maps every time? How many did 1942 come with, wasn't there like 30 or something?

[Rick Astley]

Don't you guys have common sense? Ok i'll try it to explain it even more!

I said rush the GAME! Like they did with 2142. Then drop all support when they have a new game on their hands.

Ever heard of marketing strategies? I guess not, if you would you would be able to understand what i am saying.

Long time ago i was also optimistic about 2142. I bought a buggy game and 4 or something patches later i'm still stuck with massive exploits, bugs etc. etc.
You would think OK if they would solve it all with a few pacthes, but when BF3 comes out 2142 will be like BF2 after the release of 2142 minus decent editor. Anyone forgot about the nice promise that the game would ship with editor?? And oh, aren't they now trying to restrict the Mod community into NOT using any of the booster pack content?
DICE standards are: 1. Rush game 2. Bring out a number of patches that don't fix anything, but only get things even worse.

Oh yes, of course it's a game. But aren't i allowed to have at least a decent game without some guy clipping Titans?

[Vreki]

Seriously... Wailing about how long it's taking them to finish the patch in one breath, and then declaring they are just rushing through the patch in the next puts a pretty serious dent in some already suspect credibility.


Well the patch is another example of what I would call poor management from EA.

2-3 weeks into the beta a manager should have stepped up and said

Allright guys, it is clear that we cannot fix this in a hurry, so we are going to make a build of what works and make that ready for release.

I think SonicPixel will agree on this as a softwaredeveloper.

With a bit a luck we could have had both the new map and the new clark two months ago, since the crashes happens regardless of what map is loaded.

Now I have been following the First Strike Forums, and apparently they were on a visit to Dice were they got confirmed that the team that developed the engine was in fact no longer around.
They had been paid to make then engine and had then moved on.

I remember an earlier discussion on this board where someone implied the same, and I refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Well it appears I owe him an apology, someone could indeed be that stupid :shakehead:

It is no wonder that they are unable to fix the bugs when there is no one left who understands it.

[so1id sn@ke]

Now I have been following the First Strike Forums, and apparently they were on a visit to Dice were they got confirmed that the team that developed the engine was in fact no longer around.
They had been paid to make then engine and had then moved on.

I remember an earlier discussion on this board where someone implied the same, and I refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Well it appears I owe him an apology, someone could indeed be that stupid :shakehead:

It is no wonder that they are unable to fix the bugs when there is no one left who understands it.

I thought it was you. :)

Here is the thread (http://www.firststrikemod.com/fsforums/viewtopic.php?id=6185)

[Rick Astley]

Well the patch is another example of what I would call poor management from EA.

2-3 weeks into the beta a manager should have stepped up and said


I think SonicPixel will agree on this as a softwaredeveloper.

With a bit a luck we could have had both the new map and the new clark two months ago, since the crashes happens regardless of what map is loaded.

Now I have been following the First Strike Forums, and apparently they were on a visit to Dice were they got confirmed that the team that developed the engine was in fact no longer around.
They had been paid to make then engine and had then moved on.

I remember an earlier discussion on this board where someone implied the same, and I refused to believe someone could be that stupid.
Well it appears I owe him an apology, someone could indeed be that stupid :shakehead:

It is no wonder that they are unable to fix the bugs when there is no one left who understands it.
And your damn right about that.
All those naive DICE fanboys can't believe what they read now.

[so1id sn@ke]

Lol I detect hostility.......

Anyway, DICE probably had no say in the matter, EA would be the ones to handle the hiring.

I'm no fanboy, but I just as sure am not a DICE hater.

[Timh27]

I do agree that dice/ea's support is terrible but i personally cant slag off something which gives me 300+ hours enterainment & i hope that bf3 is a quality game but i must admit it sounds to simular to bf2 for my liking but i guess time will tell

[nemes1s]

EA just bought BioWare and Pandemic, so more delays and less updates now, haha, I'm so evil.

[The_Eliminator]

Im not sure whether BF3 will be any good even if it is true.

1. EA will publish it and we all know how well that goes.

That is all...

[Rick Astley]

Im not sure whether BF3 will be any good even if it is true.

1. EA will publish it and we all know how well that goes.

That is all...

Ok, this is the first time i do:

QFT!!!

[SonicPixel]

Honestly, after playing the CoD4 demo, I could care less. I've got a new fixation. =)

Vreki, I'm actually not a software developer, but a visual designer. What you say is true, the patch was horribly mismanaged for 2142. I can understand how something like that happens, but that is no excuse for it. And, if the core team no longer works for DICE, the future is bleak for future BF titles.

I understand FFoW has key members from the original BF team onboard, so many FPS fanboys I know have high expectations for that title. I just joined the beta for that, so I'll share some impressions at a later date.

[The_Eliminator]

Ok, this is the first time i do:

QFT!!!

:D :D

[[-NM-]-SS-]

I understand FFoW has key members from the original BF team onboard, so many FPS fanboys I know have high expectations for that title. I just joined the beta for that, so I'll share some impressions at a later date.

BF2 was supposed to be the "next thing" from the creators of Desert Combat, a mod for BF1942. There was a falling out with EA/DICE and Frank Delise who created DC.

So, they parted ways and Kaos was created and they began work on FOW while DICE took over the BF2 creation.

Thus, the crap game known as BF2 was given to the earth. And with each patch, the game became even more ridiculous. I think it was DICE canada who handled the patches. Anyway, one patch BROKE THE KNIFE.

Now how in the HELL do you break the knife???? Who in the hell were in charge of the patch process? Who is the dummy that allowed such a crap patch to be released?

Ok, done ranting. :laugh:

[Rick Astley]

Simply put...

DICE is stupid.

[Wizrdwarts]

Simply put...

EA is stupid.

Fixed it for ya.

[so1id sn@ke]

-SS-;407838']BF2 was supposed to be the "next thing" from the creators of Desert Combat, a mod for BF1942. There was a falling out with EA/DICE and Frank Delise who created DC.

So, they parted ways and Kaos was created and they began work on FOW while DICE took over the BF2 creation.

Thus, the crap game known as BF2 was given to the earth. And with each patch, the game became even more ridiculous. I think it was DICE canada who handled the patches. Anyway, one patch BROKE THE KNIFE.

Now how in the HELL do you break the knife???? Who in the hell were in charge of the patch process? Who is the dummy that allowed such a crap patch to be released?

Ok, done ranting. :laugh:

So, what exactly broke the knife? Was it not 1hit anymore or something? :confused:

[cyan]

So, what exactly broke the knife? Was it not 1hit anymore or something? :confused:

I'm curious about this too, what happened with the knife? I remember it working in the last patch I had (1.40) I'm also curious about the comment above about patching the Clark...what is the alleged problem with the current Clark, and what is the suggested "patch" for it? I'm curious, as I've about exhausted my use of the Baur, and the Clark is the gun i've begun using in its place.

[Vreki]

I'm also curious about the comment above about patching the Clark...what is the alleged problem with the current Clark, and what is the suggested "patch" for it? I'm curious, as I've about exhausted my use of the Baur, and the Clark is the gun i've begun using in its place.

The Clark will have its ROF increased to match that of the Herzog. Apparently DICE thinks that it is underpowered compared to the shotgun addon..

[Rick Astley]

Ah well, it's a good oppurtunity to get my first Shotgun Pin. :D

[MrChris_CJ]

It sounds good, modern day setting is probably what everyone wanted espeically the tech enthusiasts, now providing that they actually take their time making it (eg dont release it before its ready etc etc etc) and don't turn it into an IO fest then perhaps...perhaps

[Erhardt]

The Clark will have its ROF increased to match that of the Herzog. Apparently DICE thinks that it is underpowered compared to the shotgun addon..
Well, it IS kind of weird that the shotgun in 2142 is some clunky-chunky slow to fire affair. We have auto-shotguns today, so I would have thought in 2142 autofire would at least be an option. I'd say the relatively short range is nerf enough for it, let alone the clip size and delay between trigger pulls.

I don't use it much myself, but it wouldn't bother me if the guys who do can fire it a little faster.

[Vreki]

I don't use it much myself, but it wouldn't bother me if the guys who do can fire it a little faster.

Its not "a little faster", the increased ROF allows you to massacre an unaware squad :ar15:

I have used both versions of the Clark, and the only thing I found lacking in the original was the hit detection.
Maybe they should have downgraded the Herzog instead of upgrading the Clark if that bothered them.

My point is that it is risky to significantly improve a gun that nobody had any issues with.

If the patch ever comes out, it will probably be a good time to dig out the ARs and rockets, because the servers will be swarmed with players with no long range defence and limited shotgun experience.;)

[Erhardt]

My point is that it is risky to significantly improve a gun that nobody had any issues with.
True, no argument there. ;)

If the patch ever comes out, it will probably be a good time to dig out the ARs and rockets, because the servers will be swarmed with players with no long range defence and limited shotgun experience.;)
Also true. :D

[=MNKY=Frosty]

Ive noticed that every topic ends up with people discussing what the new clark is gonna be like, And my 2 cents, clark is already amazing, making it amazinger, is just plain dead silly, good ole dice not nerfing the voss and beasting another weapon. Hey think about it actually, it will be, OMFG CLARK NUB, not OMFG VOSS WHORE. Never thought the voss whore phrase would get overpowered but i guess it will...

[Wizrdwarts]

Are in-game ads going to be in it? If they are, they better stay at the current (2142) level, and I'll have no problem with it. However if it ends up like:
"This Close Combat pin brought to you by Remington"
we'll have to worry. :hmm:

[so1id sn@ke]

I would find that hilarious.

[Wizrdwarts]

I would find that hilarious.

"Congratulations on your promotion soldier. Make sure you pick one of our sponsored unlocks, like this new M107 brought to you by Barrett -- 'Dependable. Reliable. Well-designed.'"

Hmmm maybe the reason the G36E is so good is because H&K paid DICE. :shock:

[eddyeddyd]

that battalion thing sound REALLY l33t i can imagin that right now

thank goodness i have vista woot.

[so1id sn@ke]

"Congratulations on your promotion soldier. Make sure you pick one of our sponsored unlocks, like this new M107 brought to you by Barrett -- 'Dependable. Reliable. Well-designed.'"

Hmmm maybe the reason the G36E is so good is because H&K paid DICE. :shock:

Lol:

You've unlocked the shotgun, sponsored by Gillette "The closest spread a man can get". :nod:

[eddyeddyd]

Rawfle

[Namakan]

Lol:

You've unlocked the shotgun, sponsored by Gillette "The closest spread a man can get". :nod:

:laugh::laugh: