BF2 SUCKS Compared to Desert Combat

[ikilled007]

What happened? I was under the impression that the guys from Desert Combat collaborated with EA to produce BF2. Is this correct?

It can't be, because Desert Combat had so much more stuff than BF2 has.

1. Bf2 has so many fewer types of vehicles.
Where's the scud?
Where's the MLRS?
Where's the minibird?
Where's just the average beat down car or tanker truck laying around?
Where's the ZSU?
The Vulcan?

2. Kits have fewer items.
No binoculars
Where's the damn Laser Designator we were promised?
Where's the shoulder launched anti-air?

3. Weapons are crap.
Anti-air missiles? Please.
.50 sniper rifle? No zoom and crap damage.
Light Machine Guns? Takes 400 rounds to kill someone.
Etc.

4. Bunny Hopping: Gay

5. Black Hawk can take up to 2 tank shots.

And the list goes on and on. Desert Combat was so superior to this game that it's difficult to imagine that the same people worked on both.

[imported_idash]

they will adds somethings like that ihope!

[S_t_a_l_i_n]

its not EA's fault, its those god damned swedish ppl at DICE

[Jake]

What happened? I was under the impression that the guys from Desert Combat collaborated with EA to produce BF2. Is this correct?

Nope. Check out Desert Conflict mod though. It'll pretty much be DC for BF2, I think.

[Teriander]

Yea, Try to imagine Desert Combat on a BF2 engine.. Jesus that would be fun! That would be worth telling EA they finally did something right. BTW:: What happened to the Desert Combat coders now? Did EA fire them and send them packing? Are they making a Desert Combat version for BF2? Or are they paid well and went their own seperate ways?

[Alphaeno]

They have less of everything. I am looking forwards to DC on BF2 engine. Should be a lot better.

[King_Nothing]

US Intervention, I think looks like it will be better than Desert Conflict.

[Soda]

Well lets see, they didn't put all of that stuff in because they wouldn't make much money, but now with expansions they are going to make they are going to put it more and more stuff. It's called business.

[Alphaeno]

Well lets see, they didn't put all of that stuff in because they wouldn't make much money, but now with expansions they are going to make they are going to put it more and more stuff. It's called business.

And we as consumers let them do this to us. Damnit, i hate it.

[my2cents]

BF2 SUCKS Compared to Desert Combat

Not really, just wait for DC for BF2

Desert combat

1.- where are the squads?
2.- where is the commander?
3.- where is the top 3d view ' a la ' RTS ?
4.- where are those amazing graphics?
5.- where are ambien sound ?
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.
.
n.- where is your brain ?

[Combined]

1. Bf2 has so many fewer types of vehicles.
Where's the scud?
Where's the MLRS?
Where's the minibird?
Where's just the average beat down car or tanker truck laying around?
Where's the ZSU?
The Vulcan?

2. Kits have fewer items.
No binoculars
Where's the damn Laser Designator we were promised?
Where's the shoulder launched anti-air?

4. Bunny Hopping: Gay


I agree with all of the above, I especially miss the technicals and portable AA.

[Alphaeno]

Not really, just wait for DC for BF2

Desert combat

1.- where are the squads?
2.- where is the commander?
3.- where is the top 3d view ' a la ' RTS ?
4.- where are those amazing graphics?
5.- where are ambien sound ?
.
.
.
n.- where is your brain ?

the squads and commander mode isnt that big in pubs because most people dont know how to use it correctly.
The graphics are better tho :)

[catskill]

yeah commander isnt needed for DC and i agree i miss the regular cars and my minibird, but BF2 is way better then DC. i kill the BH with 2 tank shots, and i am glad when i am in it that i can maybe survive that first hit... the cover in BF2 is especialy better... so many places to hide compared to DC makes it a better FPS...

as for the DC guys, without looking anywhere online first i venture to say they got hired worked in the NY office then DICE shut down NY and gave em a choice, leave or move to Sweden. (its a whole other country) i would be interested to know if the DC guys made a pile of $$ first. hope they did, and hey they can always code DC for BF2 now, like back to the old days except with money

[King_Nothing]

Why would the Vulcan be in BF2 anyway? It's been replaced.

[Teriander]

Well lets see, they didn't put all of that stuff in because they wouldn't make much money, but now with expansions they are going to make they are going to put it more and more stuff. It's called business.
Yea you're right. But that's just dirty and obvious. Especially shutting down the guys who made the mod for BF1942. These guys made EA look like morons. I'd like to know what happened to them. Imagine if EA gave these guys full control of what the game should function like, vehicles ect. This game would own... AND DONT SAY IT DOES OWN NOW, because way too many people post problems with this game already.. BAh.. screw EA.

[catskill]

for all the people posting bugs and isssues (i have had plenty) there are also people posting system specs like "crappy pos onboard sound" or 512 ram and bare minimum vid cards. i for one am glad the game has such high requirments... i only aspire to play it in alls its glory...

[shadow_wolf]

I like BF2 but theres thing that I wish were like DC and not ruined by making them like BFV - Helicopters most of all

[Reign]

What happened? I was under the impression that the guys from Desert Combat collaborated with EA to produce BF2. Is this correct?

It can't be, because Desert Combat had so much more stuff than BF2 has.

1. Bf2 has so many fewer types of vehicles.
Where's the scud?
Where's the MLRS?
Where's the minibird?
Where's just the average beat down car or tanker truck laying around?
Where's the ZSU?
The Vulcan?

2. Kits have fewer items.
No binoculars
Where's the damn Laser Designator we were promised?
Where's the shoulder launched anti-air?

3. Weapons are crap.
Anti-air missiles? Please.
.50 sniper rifle? No zoom and crap damage.
Light Machine Guns? Takes 400 rounds to kill someone.
Etc.

4. Bunny Hopping: Gay

5. Black Hawk can take up to 2 tank shots.

And the list goes on and on. Desert Combat was so superior to this game that it's difficult to imagine that the same people worked on both.

Seems like you love the game with all the time you have put in....

[MeatPie]

I miss the DC helicopter controls as well as the fixed AAA that actually worked. Also can't forget the portable stingers.

[BurnTheWeed]

DC definitely has some better gameplay elements but I find I can't live without that sprint key now. It's so hard going back to DC after getting use to it in BF2.

[-{DFA}-Brak710]

Yea, Try to imagine Desert Combat on a BF2 engine.. Jesus that would be fun! That would be worth telling EA they finally did something right. BTW:: What happened to the Desert Combat coders now? Did EA fire them and send them packing? Are they making a Desert Combat version for BF2? Or are they paid well and went their own seperate ways?

Nope, each got kicked out of the doomed newyork office, given about $500,000 USD to split up amongst them selves, a one way ticket to stockholm, sweden, and a job offer at the DICE HQ there.

[Towle]

What happened? I was under the impression that the guys from Desert Combat collaborated with EA to produce BF2. Is this correct?

It can't be, because Desert Combat had so much more stuff than BF2 has.

1. Bf2 has so many fewer types of vehicles.
Where's the scud?
Where's the MLRS?
Where's the minibird?
Where's just the average beat down car or tanker truck laying around?
Where's the ZSU?
The Vulcan?

2. Kits have fewer items.
No binoculars
Where's the damn Laser Designator we were promised?
Where's the shoulder launched anti-air?

3. Weapons are crap.
Anti-air missiles? Please.
.50 sniper rifle? No zoom and crap damage.
Light Machine Guns? Takes 400 rounds to kill someone.
Etc.

4. Bunny Hopping: Gay

5. Black Hawk can take up to 2 tank shots.

And the list goes on and on. Desert Combat was so superior to this game that it's difficult to imagine that the same people worked on both.



1)Are you saying you would also want in addition to artillery already available in BF2 , the SCUD and MLRS ?? Holy Sheet !! I have a bad enough time trying to avoid arty , I really don't think we need multiple weapons of mass destruction raining down on CP's. Sorry unless you are saying to "REPLACE" the artillery with these two others..
2)Minibird ? Not sure what this is . Is this the 160th AH-6 Littlebird attack helicopter in DC? I think there is enough choppers in BF2 as it is . sorry I disagree.
3)There are enough vehicles as it is. Cannot see how adding more vehicles makes BF2 more playable. It's not going to make the game any better. Disagree.
4)ZSU & Vulcan. Again , there are anti-air vehicles in BF2 , I don't see the need to add more than there already is. Disagree
5)Fewer items in kits? I really don't care about this. There is enough as it is. Disagree adding more items which will only weigh you down or complicate the control system and weapon switch. It's fine as is. Disagree
6)No Binoculars? If you have a skilled Commander on your team with UAV, this does the same thing as binoculars. Maybe you have been playing on servers with crap commanders. Disagree.
7)Laser Designator, yes this was promised and shown in pre-release video trailers. Yes it would be nice. But I can live without it. If you have decent pilots they can still bomb to pinpoint accuracy as I have been on the receiving end of bombing runs for SU25 Flanker on many occassions can attest there is nothing wrong with bombing accuracy in BF2, it's down to the skill of the pilot and bombardier. Disagree.
8)Shoulder Launched Anti-Air. Don't know if this was promised but I don't think it is needed. It would far too difficult as a helo pilot to cap a flag with all defenders with shoulder launched anti-air. If you are skilled with anti-tank missile, this can be effective against helo's trying to cap a flag, plus tanks can take out BH's as well. I have done this many times. Disagree. Overbalance the game.
9)Anti-air missiles need to beefed up and more accurate. Lose track even at short range and are out-paced by jet aircraft. Needs to be fixed- Agree
10)Sniper rifles are fine. I don't use them but the M95 takes me down in one-shot. Can't see why this would need improving.If you are dedicated sniper then you would have already unlocked this weapon by now. Disagree.
11)Light Machine Guns. They do provide effective fire cover. I think the effect is to keep heads down behind cover so your assault troops move up and flank the enemy. I don't think they are that effective at long range in standard form, even when I am prone. The accuracy could be improved. ROF is just fine. Agree
12)Bunny hopping "Gay" comment needs to be clarified. Need a mature statement from OP. Exactly what is wrong with this? Many times I have tried to shoot enemy and they have avoided my rounds with this. I would say they would want to keep this function within the game. I don't do it myself. Disagree until further clarification from OP.
13)BH can take two tank shots . OP doesn't indicate this is good or bad. Two tank shots is fine by me. If it was one, ppl would be complaining about it being too easy to take down a BH with a tank. Can't please everyone. Can't comment further until OP explains himself clearly what he/she is trying to say.

[FM_Echo_One]

/crys

[cgN-Grizz]

stalin dont talk about us sweds.. jerk ;-) the game has only been out for a month. they will add stuff just wait :D. i just want more destructive maps and MORE unlocks like for exp.

Anti-Tank Basic > DAO-12(1st Unlock) > And another gun.

so forth with everykit.. maybe a better sniper(you would think the m95 would be better...)

[Jeffrey_Dahmer]

You all are missing the boat.

The thing that's REALLY missing from DC are the MAPS.

Maps like Basra's Edge and Basra Nights kick the poo out of Karkand, or Mashtuur.

That's what we need.

J.

[NYC]

Thats why we are waiting for Desert Conflict and US Intervention. AWOOOOOOOT!!!

[mrbucket]

Nope, each got kicked out of the doomed newyork office, given about $500,000 USD to split up amongst them selves, a one way ticket to stockholm, sweden, and a job offer at the DICE HQ there.


This is true, EA cant stand competition and couldnt afford a fat lawsuit.
It's only a matter of time before someone releases re-makes of our favorite maps from bf1942. I cant wait!

[dark-eye]

no offence but DC does not nearly come as far as point of existence, and please again dont feel offended just check out www.pointofexistence.com . and if your there check out www.total-war.com , sounds weird but this finetunes PoE (point of existence) its a large community playing the tuned version of PoE. imagine people dedicated to really play as a team, as a unit ive done it and its great!!!! screw the commanders arty with PoE player controlled arties come back, special kits you can pick up in your own base (so you cant pick them in the spawn screen) more helis, tanks, well balanced kits for all 3 armies!! and curse EA and DICE for rushing their game to come out early but even at total war poeple wont hesitate to help you out if in need of help, but again please dont feel offended by my first sentence.

[Thameth]

Its amazing how divided these forums are. I would have thought for sure 90% of BF2 players would be former DC players. But it seems to be the complete opposite and you get tons of people telling us former DC'ers to go back and play DC if we want.

What people don't understand is that BF2 exists only because of the HUGE success of DC. People literally bought copies of BF42 just to play DC.

I also agree that there are tons of parts from DC that i wish were in BF2. Would be nice if DICE would release a DC map pack since so many of the Trauma guys work for DICE now. I would love those old maps with BF2 updates, hey they brought out Wake in BFV flavor after a while, so we can only hope.

Has anybody started a Poll to see how many people on these boards used to play DC??

[[i]_Bleed_to_Death]

Wow, if it takes you 400 rounds to kill someone i dont think you need more weapons to suck with.

[Thameth]

_Bleed_to_Death']Wow, if it takes you 400 rounds to kill someone i dont think you need more weapons to suck with.

Its called sarcasm....... :hmm: :rolleyes: :(

[BurnTheWeed]

Its called sarcasm....... :hmm: :rolleyes: :(

Actually, it's called hyberbole. :laugh: ;)

[iceman369]

_Bleed_to_Death']Wow, if it takes you 400 rounds to kill someone i dont think you need more weapons to suck with.


that was sarcasm it doesn't take 400 rounds, he just means that it takes a lot of rounds.

[Thameth]

Actually, it's called hyberbole. :laugh: ;)

that was sarcasm it doesn't take 400 rounds, he just means that it takes a lot of rounds.

2 against 1 HA HA ....... :laugh: :laugh:



;) ;)

[BurnTheWeed]

2 against 1 HA HA ....... :laugh: :laugh:



;) ;)

lol, maybe, but I've got Willy Shakespeare on my side. ;)

[Thameth]

lol, maybe, but I've got Willy Shakespeare on my side. ;)


I know your probably right.... thats why i put the ;) ;)

Just thought it was funny that two of us said it was sarcasm :laugh:

[DeathGiver]

If you dont like BF2 then leave.

[ikilled007]

1)Are you saying you would also want in addition to artillery already available in BF2 , the SCUD and MLRS ?? Holy Sheet !! I have a bad enough time trying to avoid arty , I really don't think we need multiple weapons of mass destruction raining down on CP's. Sorry unless you are saying to "REPLACE" the artillery with these two others..
2)Minibird ? Not sure what this is . Is this the 160th AH-6 Littlebird attack helicopter in DC? I think there is enough choppers in BF2 as it is . sorry I disagree.
3)There are enough vehicles as it is. Cannot see how adding more vehicles makes BF2 more playable. It's not going to make the game any better. Disagree.
4)ZSU & Vulcan. Again , there are anti-air vehicles in BF2 , I don't see the need to add more than there already is. Disagree
5)Fewer items in kits? I really don't care about this. There is enough as it is. Disagree adding more items which will only weigh you down or complicate the control system and weapon switch. It's fine as is. Disagree
6)No Binoculars? If you have a skilled Commander on your team with UAV, this does the same thing as binoculars. Maybe you have been playing on servers with crap commanders. Disagree.
7)Laser Designator, yes this was promised and shown in pre-release video trailers. Yes it would be nice. But I can live without it. If you have decent pilots they can still bomb to pinpoint accuracy as I have been on the receiving end of bombing runs for SU25 Flanker on many occassions can attest there is nothing wrong with bombing accuracy in BF2, it's down to the skill of the pilot and bombardier. Disagree.
8)Shoulder Launched Anti-Air. Don't know if this was promised but I don't think it is needed. It would far too difficult as a helo pilot to cap a flag with all defenders with shoulder launched anti-air. If you are skilled with anti-tank missile, this can be effective against helo's trying to cap a flag, plus tanks can take out BH's as well. I have done this many times. Disagree. Overbalance the game.
9)Anti-air missiles need to beefed up and more accurate. Lose track even at short range and are out-paced by jet aircraft. Needs to be fixed- Agree
10)Sniper rifles are fine. I don't use them but the M95 takes me down in one-shot. Can't see why this would need improving.If you are dedicated sniper then you would have already unlocked this weapon by now. Disagree.
11)Light Machine Guns. They do provide effective fire cover. I think the effect is to keep heads down behind cover so your assault troops move up and flank the enemy. I don't think they are that effective at long range in standard form, even when I am prone. The accuracy could be improved. ROF is just fine. Agree
12)Bunny hopping "Gay" comment needs to be clarified. Need a mature statement from OP. Exactly what is wrong with this? Many times I have tried to shoot enemy and they have avoided my rounds with this. I would say they would want to keep this function within the game. I don't do it myself. Disagree until further clarification from OP.
13)BH can take two tank shots . OP doesn't indicate this is good or bad. Two tank shots is fine by me. If it was one, ppl would be complaining about it being too easy to take down a BH with a tank. Can't please everyone. Can't comment further until OP explains himself clearly what he/she is trying to say.

Yeah yeah, I know, the game is absolutely perfect. Everything is just right the way it is. What's funny is how assclowns like yourself will say things are still perfect when they get changed by each new patch. It's always perfect. Whatever is, is best.

Get the hell out of here you EA fanboi.

[Haymaker88]

stalin dont talk about us sweds.. jerk ;-) the game has only been out for a month. they will add stuff just wait :D. i just want more destructive maps and MORE unlocks like for exp.

Anti-Tank Basic > DAO-12(1st Unlock) > And another gun.

so forth with everykit.. maybe a better sniper(you would think the m95 would be better...)


Two VERY good ideas. You where complainning about the stingers, maybe you might be able to unlock one in future patches, although it would mean the heli's would need to be upgraded a bit, or they would be VERY ****.

nice idea though :D

[shadow_wolf]

no offence but DC does not nearly come as far as point of existence, and please again dont feel offended just check out www.pointofexistence.com . and if your there check out www.total-war.com , sounds weird but this finetunes PoE (point of existence) its a large community playing the tuned version of PoE. imagine people dedicated to really play as a team, as a unit ive done it and its great!!!! screw the commanders arty with PoE player controlled arties come back, special kits you can pick up in your own base (so you cant pick them in the spawn screen) more helis, tanks, well balanced kits for all 3 armies!! and curse EA and DICE for rushing their game to come out early but even at total war poeple wont hesitate to help you out if in need of help, but again please dont feel offended by my first sentence.

I would agree with you if PoE wasnt a mod for BFV. If it was a BF1942 mod and not tainted by BFV then it may be better. The thing is though DC had more vehicles and everything worked smoother.

[Soda]

I played PoE and didn't like it as much, it was kinda dull.

[Alphaeno]

If you dont like BF2 then leave.

sigh...If you dont like the United States of America why dont you just leave? or why not complain and ask for a change and if enough people do complain, then they will fix the problem!

[P3teR]

Well now with BF2 Engine I think POE is gonna be a way better mod and they have released few renders of maps and they shore look like fun.

What is it with people and heli controls on BFV and BF2. Problem I reckon is people have played DC for way to long that they don't want to learn new controls when most people who have learnt the new controls are loving them.

[Soda]

That is the truth Peter. It's like a guy who played CS all his life and we give him BF2, he wont like it because he would say vehicles are lame because they kill you fast and the maps are so big they cant shoot anyone. I've actually read a couple of reviews from people like that on different websites.

[iNiM]

just to clearify some things.

Trauma Studios (DC) in New York was bought by Dice on 1 September 2004 thanks to their dedicated work with the DC mod, and to help out with BF2. It was later on sold on the 7 June 2005, while BF2 was in its final stages. As clearfied the guys over in the states got a worthy pay (though not as much as stated in earlier post) and a choice to move to sweden and continue to work there at the Dice HQ in Stockholm. This is far more then many other company's would do if the choose to shutdown office.

So to counter some of the erlier posts.
1. The "DC" guys were a big part of the development in BF2 since the NY office wasnt sold until the final production.

2. Dont blame swedes for anything, if it wasnt for Dice you wouldnt have this game now, would you ?

3. The reason Trauma Studios was bought was due to Legal reasons and to develop game concept. basicly Dice wouldnt have been able to create BF2 without Trauma studios.

4. Since the "DC" guys was a part of the development its clear that they didnt want to make BF2 the same as DC, and if you look at it they are quite diffrent games, not only graphical.

5. there was 12 guys at Trauma Studios, and even though the price wasnt as high as stated earlier, i think it was about 300,000$ on 12 guys is a very nice paycheck and a offer to further work.

[Thameth]

What is it with people and heli controls on BFV and BF2. Problem I reckon is people have played DC for way to long that they don't want to learn new controls when most people who have learnt the new controls are loving them.

Its mainly because DC chopper were very difficult to fly and had a loooong learning curve. But once you learned how to fly them correctly it was very rewarding and put you above the noobs.

BFV and BF2 pretty much brought a very noob friendly way to fly choppers and pissed off all the people that took weeks to figure out the DC choppers. Plus even though the DC chopper controls where rigged plane controls they flew much more realistically than BFV and BF2 choppers.

[shadow_wolf]

Its mainly because DC chopper were very difficult to fly and had a loooong learning curve. But once you learned how to fly them correctly it was very rewarding and put you above the noobs.

BFV and BF2 pretty much brought a very noob friendly way to fly choppers and pissed off all the people that took weeks to figure out the DC choppers. Plus even though the DC chopper controls where rigged plane controls they flew much more realistically than BFV and BF2 choppers.

they were far more responsive, thats what I miss. Also the crosshair on the hud actually served a purpose :rolleyes:

[imported_Fusion]

sigh...If you dont like the United States of America why dont you just leave? or why not complain and ask for a change and if enough people do complain, then they will fix the problem!

Hah, listen to yourself. Maybe you will find yourself funny too.

[Retribution.]

maybe because it's not DC? :P

[Thameth]

maybe because it's not DC? :P

But you see thats the problem. When EA bought Trauma alot of people were lead to believe that BF2 would basically become an official DC2.

Yes BF2 if freakin great, but alot of us wished it would have kept or implemented more of DC or the idea's from DC into it.

[DeathFromAbove]

Desert combat was cool but... I still think BF2 is better, I fall in love with a game if it's guns look cool and I think the guns and the sights look bad @$$ in BF2.

[Solar71]

DICE is a sweedish company ?
OH NO!!!
we are DOOMED!!!
hahaha

[iNiM]

yeh, we will come and get you all some day ^^

[dark-eye]

I would agree with you if PoE wasnt a mod for BFV. If it was a BF1942 mod and not tainted by BFV then it may be better. The thing is though DC had more vehicles and everything worked smoother.

point is PoE is being developed for BF2 as we speak and i do not agree with you it was "tainted"by BFV it made a game i regret buying to some of the best gaming experiences ive had. seconds thing is PoE workt fine ok DC did have more vehicles but things like the dual seated planes, smoke grenades for tanks were first implented in PoE. last but not least is that the BFV engine did have one advantage: the under- and overgrowth enabled osme great maps (though they were for total-war, which finetuned a lot that even PoE couldnt get to work properly)

[jayhigh]

Point Of Existance All The Way! And Beyond..

[imported_Chubz]

Yeah yeah, I know, the game is absolutely perfect. Everything is just right the way it is. What's funny is how assclowns like yourself will say things are still perfect when they get changed by each new patch. It's always perfect. Whatever is, is best.

Get the hell out of here you EA fanboi.

He wasn't saying it was perfect, he was saying that he disagreed with what you were saying and that he thinks the game is fine the way it is as of now.

I agree with him, especially on issues like the binoculars.... dude... what the hell would binoculars be good for when you've already got a commander placing UAV scanners all over the map, etc. ? That'd be practically useless.

Just because everybody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean you have to soil your panties.

[alextaylor29]

I agree with the very first poster. Except for prettier graphics DC was and still is a much better game.

[-={DAC}MI7]

It took a whle to perfect DC, the balance will come, it will just take time, DC.6 the VSS whorage if i remeber.. 1 shot anywhere.. and it went on, they would make something crap and then somthing rediculously good, DC Final ended on Saiga whorage...
I agree, they need to scrap the artiallry the commander has and use some kind of mobile artillary, and the commander spots the target or somthin...
I prefer DC to BF2.. but BF2 is growing on me, i loved the Infantry in DC, ( was ranked 1st on sea rigs for months :P)
But the m203-whorage has got very bad.. cant have a decent round of infatry play anymore without some n00bs aiming at your feet and blowing you up..
I fight fire with fire...

blah blah... lol

[sturmvogel]

Then go back to DC you nerd... quit *****ing

[[uBp]Irish]

to make the perfect Desert American/Enemy Game type between BF2 and DC take the following..

take out commander mode... cause it's stupid... (replace with MLRS in DC cause it was good)
BF2 graphics (cause they wtfpwnwitha10ftstick DC graphics)
BF2 kits (not the dmg.. the kits)
Bf2 Jets (Because face it... locking on makes it a sh*tload easier to kill enemies than having to line up the missles and lead the target... which we all should be doing anyways)
DC Helos (cause we all know how hard they were to learn, and how rewarding it was once we learned)
BF2 & DC Maps (Take out all the chinese maps and leave the mec v usmc + classic maps like El Al and Desert Shield.)
DC ground vehicles +DC Helos ( Tanks/ground vehicles/helo's > BF2 vehicles imo)
DC Gameplay (in relation to bullet dmg and what not)



put that allllll together in a nice little hat and toss it around and you'll have one bad a$$ game.

[5150 Joker]

I agree with the OP, this game blows compared to DC in gameplay. Only things BF2 has going for it are graphics, sound and commander mode -- the rest of the game is garbage.

[Propeck]

I really loved DC, but my friends went and got into CoD and I followed suit with them. After about a year or so of that, I tried to come back to DC but there was new patches, a whole new mod and alot more confusion on my part on how to update my DC properly. I was CTDing all the time.

If there's anyone out there that can link me to something that'll tell me exactly how to install it, I'd love ya forever. Must fly the Hind again!!

[imported_Fig]

I won't say that DC or BF2 is 100% better or worse than the other, but DC has some things BF2 doesn't:
A lot more maps, and a wide selection of WELL BALANCED vehicles to stock the maps with (BF2 maps are diverse, but there's less of them, and 70% of them are just crammed full of every single vehicle in the game, so the map balance is really stupid)
But BF2 has way better graphics, and all those nice little feautres like sprinting and squads and etc.

BF2 definetely could have been better, I'll just say that.

[UnrealAlex]

What happened? I was under the impression that the guys from Desert Combat collaborated with EA to produce BF2. Is this correct?

It can't be, because Desert Combat had so much more stuff than BF2 has.

1. Bf2 has so many fewer types of vehicles.
Where's the scud?
Where's the MLRS?
Where's the minibird?
Where's just the average beat down car or tanker truck laying around?
Where's the ZSU?
The Vulcan?

2. Kits have fewer items.
No binoculars
Where's the damn Laser Designator we were promised?
Where's the shoulder launched anti-air?

3. Weapons are crap.
Anti-air missiles? Please.
.50 sniper rifle? No zoom and crap damage.
Light Machine Guns? Takes 400 rounds to kill someone.
Etc.

4. Bunny Hopping: Gay

5. Black Hawk can take up to 2 tank shots.

And the list goes on and on. Desert Combat was so superior to this game that it's difficult to imagine that the same people worked on both.

Marry me?

I agree so much. Too bad Dice doesnt.

[GameWizard]

You don't like BF2? Go play DC, no ones stopping you.

[Towle]

Yeah yeah, I know, the game is absolutely perfect. Everything is just right the way it is. What's funny is how assclowns like yourself will say things are still perfect when they get changed by each new patch. It's always perfect. Whatever is, is best.

Get the hell out of here you EA fanboi.


That was real mature post have you got anything valuable to contribute or do you just like polluting the atmosphere with your garbage?

[StormRavn]

What happened? I was under the impression that the guys from Desert Combat collaborated with EA to produce BF2. Is this correct?

It can't be, because Desert Combat had so much more stuff than BF2 has.

1. Bf2 has so many fewer types of vehicles.
Where's the scud?
Where's the MLRS?
Where's the minibird?
Where's just the average beat down car or tanker truck laying around?
Where's the ZSU?
The Vulcan?

2. Kits have fewer items.
No binoculars
Where's the damn Laser Designator we were promised?
Where's the shoulder launched anti-air?

3. Weapons are crap.
Anti-air missiles? Please.
.50 sniper rifle? No zoom and crap damage.
Light Machine Guns? Takes 400 rounds to kill someone.
Etc.

4. Bunny Hopping: Gay

5. Black Hawk can take up to 2 tank shots.

And the list goes on and on. Desert Combat was so superior to this game that it's difficult to imagine that the same people worked on both.


i totaly agree with everything mentioned and stated above PREACH ON@!!!!

[Battlefresh]

Bring on the mods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Soda]

You guys want this game to be just like DC, what would be the point? It would be stupid because it would be just DC with new graphics and the new features that BF2 has, who would want to pay for that? Everyone would just stay at DC, that's why they didn't make BF2 exactly like DC.

[noobeffect]

You guys want this game to be just like DC, what would be the point? It would be stupid because it would be just DC with new graphics and the new features that BF2 has, who would want to pay for that? Everyone would just stay at DC, that's why they didn't make BF2 exactly like DC.

Exactly.

007 needs to shut the **** up. If this game was supposed to model what DC was, then that wouldn't make sense, obviously. And that's all 007 wants, a game that's just like the mod that he drooled over.

I actually went back and played DC after quitting because there were so many immature *******s like 007 spamming the chat and tk-ing on purpose, and I have to admit, DC is the Garbage game compared to BF2. Screw the minibird, that thing is old, SCUDs are bad compared to Artillery and when I was playing DC...

all I felt was Battlefield 1942 in a different skin. Oh wait, nevermind, thats all DC is.

[Zombie of PizzaRolls]

You don't like BF2? Go play DC, no ones stopping you.

Agreed...

[Teriander]

Exactly.

007 needs to shut the **** up. If this game was supposed to model what DC was, then that wouldn't make sense, obviously. And that's all 007 wants, a game that's just like the mod that he drooled over.

I actually went back and played DC after quitting because there were so many immature *******s like 007 spamming the chat and tk-ing on purpose, and I have to admit, DC is the Garbage game compared to BF2. Screw the minibird, that thing is old, SCUDs are bad compared to Artillery and when I was playing DC...

all I felt was Battlefield 1942 in a different skin. Oh wait, nevermind, thats all DC is.
Dude, you seriously have issues. Everyone including me are saying that the points 007 have made are valid and others agree. But you're so in love with the way BF2 is right now that you're willing to insult others and pathetic attempts at saying DC is garbage.

By the way, your attempt to insult DC is just plain stupid. Everyone knows DC was a great mod. It won awards, and the company was hired by EA to support BF2.

Im willing to bet if EA adds the minibird or scud (not saying they are) you'll agree with their decision or say "Thats a good idea, I thought of adding those before, Im glad EA read my mind."

[<=BaD=>Chemical]

I hate those stupid hele physics in BF2 (calling it physics is offensive to all laws of physics).. it was a HUGE f##king letdown... made for all those straight from 1942 to BF2 n00bs.. It totally ruin all the enjoyment of flying in a Battlefield game...

I bought BF2 and I'm in full right of complaining.. I bought a bad product, full of glitches and the stupid and lame n00b hele physics. Dice really really suck in fixing that product and coming with easy install patches..

I used to think I liked Dice.. actually it was Trauma Studios I was liking all the time.

Most of the positive things in BF2 were brought by Trauma Studios, for examble:

Squads
Spawning from Squad Leader
Commader
Medic
Assit kills
and many more

[dark-eye]

point is: screw EA if they dont come up with a big *** patch to give new maps, fix the bugs, in cas they dont (quiet probable) we'll just have to hope that several mods will fix that.

[timothye]

its not EA's fault, its those god damned swedish ppl at DICE
Its amazing what people will say ..

BTW im swedish ... thx alot m8 --> :(

[dorokusai]

I would be happy if they had put the Lost Village map in BF2. I loved that map it was one of the best infantry maps I have played. Still we can't have everything we want in life. Love BF2 though, when I ever get the chance to play it. People won't leave me alone when I get home from work.

[-Ryu^-]

Got up to page 2 and couldn't be asked to read the rest :p Anyway I recalled people saying graphics are better in BF2 than DC... but of course they will be. BF2 is based on a different engine with better use of the latest graphic utilities, if DC were to do this they would have to re-write BF1942? This will be soon sorted out when Desert Conflict is released. From what I have seen the graphics will obviously match those in BF2 (as it is a mod) but improved gameplay. I don't mean to rant or offend anyone but those of us who have played DC and loved the way it played, and heli controls/playability we will all be up for a right treat!

Be patient as if DC is to be released at the same time as EA's expansion, I would rather play DC. My opinion - don't slander :D

[[WarRUs]AlucarD]

"Go down on my knees and screeeeeeeaaaammm with agony"
I got no words what I think about you complainers, but DC people do you want DC, then play DCombat or DConflict when it launches. Oh and why play a game that suck or why do people even play games that suck, you dont need an IQ ov 150 to understand that, SOME PEOPLE LOVE THESE GAMES.

Oh and yeah, you all should stop complaining about Dice and EA and try make a game yourself. Probly some people will love it and some people will hate it, but isnt that what makes us humans:)

Funny seeing most guys/girls complaining about a game play it evryday. Have you evr thought about if all you DC guys who dont like BF2, just started playing DC instead right from the beginning when BF2 launched. If there was enough people going back to DC, EA and DICE where bound to notice if that happend and maybe they would have done something about it.

Oh and patches tend to change a game, since the patches usually reflect what the community want;)

Last but not least. You guys that feel that you shouldnt have bought the game, hmm wonder why they launched the demo before the game:rolleyes:

This thread is like that annoying kid at school saying that Iron Maiden rulez and evrything else sucks, or out on a resturant with youre girlfriend and you start screaming and complaining about what she is eating.

There. Now I dont care if I get banned from these forums. And all you complainers out there, I hope you meet up with Sergeant Major Short Curcuit:rolleyes:

[glaeken]

I played a lot of DC and POE but I still enjoy playing BF2 a lot. Why do fan boys have to hate things that are not exactly like the thing they are a fan boy about? How about learning some new skills rather than wanting everything to remain exactly the same.

As for the whole DC chopper thing DC was pretty much a chopper whore’s paradise which allowed good chopper pilots to own the whole map. This is what a lot of the DC fan boys want again. They basically want things unbalanced so they can own and feel leet. It’s the same kind of mentality that wants sniper rifles to kill players if you shot them in the toe. Basically they don't give a crap about balance they whore a particular thing and want it is powerful as possible to enable large scores and bolster their fragile egos.

DC did a lot of things right though. Maps were great, infantry weapon power and accuracy was great and they had a vast amount of vehicles that although not alterring game play much did add a lot of variety. POE was really not far behind them but was not in development for anywhere near as long as DC so obviously the developers had not had chance to refine things as much.

Really as both mods are coming to BF2 I feel the fan boys should really just wait for these instead of slagging off BF2 constantly. It is a different game that is not to your tastes. Accept that.

[-Ryu^-]

In response to ^^.

Yes people are complaining, but I guess people can understand the fact that so many problems occurred during the opening release of the game? People wish to play DC? Yeah they will in their own time... I originate from a long time play of DC and wished to play something different, BF2. At first was disappointing and was ranting and raving but the bugs were sorted and now happy as many are. However, DC players will go off playing DC in their own time. I have become comfortable with BF2 controls, playability and graphics are awesome and people will go off to play DC again when the mod is made which is able to compete against BF2 at its own level.

There is no doubt the community will split up when this mod is released, and of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You either love it or hate it.

Not ranting/abusing/complaining - simply posting my opinion.

[bisley]

In response to ^^.

Yes people are complaining, but I guess people can understand the fact that so many problems occurred during the opening release of the game? People wish to play DC? Yeah they will in their own time... I originate from a long time play of DC and wished to play something different, BF2. At first was disappointing and was ranting and raving but the bugs were sorted and now happy as many are. However, DC players will go off playing DC in their own time. I have become comfortable with BF2 controls, playability and graphics are awesome and people will go off to play DC again when the mod is made which is able to compete against BF2 at its own level.

There is no doubt the community will split up when this mod is released, and of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion. You either love it or hate it.

Not ranting/abusing/complaining - simply posting my opinion.

I agree , 6 months time or so , it will be a split community which is fine . I cant wait to see what sort of mods will eventualy come to the fore but I think the likes of BF Pirates would be fun !!!

[Retribution.]

But you see thats the problem. When EA bought Trauma alot of people were lead to believe that BF2 would basically become an official DC2.

Yes BF2 if freakin great, but alot of us wished it would have kept or implemented more of DC or the idea's from DC into it.
aye i know what you mean i'm still reeling about them helo physics, DC's were perfect nothing wrong with them at all but we still have these chumpy BFV controls, and as for the artillary :P

[Patrone]

http://desert-conflict.org/

[my2cents]

BF2 SUCKS Compared to Desert Combat

Well, go and play DC. More than 1,000,000 BF2 gamers will NOT miss you.

[HYP3R]

What happened? I was under the impression that the guys from Desert Combat collaborated with EA to produce BF2. Is this correct?

It can't be, because Desert Combat had so much more stuff than BF2 has.

1. Bf2 has so many fewer types of vehicles.
Where's the scud?
Where's the MLRS?
Where's the minibird?
Where's just the average beat down car or tanker truck laying around?
Where's the ZSU?
The Vulcan?

2. Kits have fewer items.
No binoculars
Where's the damn Laser Designator we were promised?
Where's the shoulder launched anti-air?

3. Weapons are crap.
Anti-air missiles? Please.
.50 sniper rifle? No zoom and crap damage.
Light Machine Guns? Takes 400 rounds to kill someone.
Etc.

4. Bunny Hopping: Gay

5. Black Hawk can take up to 2 tank shots.

And the list goes on and on. Desert Combat was so superior to this game that it's difficult to imagine that the same people worked on both.

WOW All that sucking must have been terrible with you playing over 280 hours worth according to your stats in yoru sig!!! MY GoD man! If you are gonna complain that much..then at least have the decency to play a few hours then come here and complain. :rolleyes: You have no credibility now.

[ShootToKill]

Nope. Check out Desert Conflict mod though. It'll pretty much be DC for BF2, I think.


God I hope so...I can't wait for that.

[Jeffrey_Dahmer]

WOW All that sucking must have been terrible with you playing over 280 hours worth according to your stats in yoru sig!!! MY GoD man! If you are gonna complain that much..then at least have the decency to play a few hours then come here and complain. :rolleyes: You have no credibility now.

Of course, had he only played a few hours, you would have said "You haven't played long enough to know what you're talking about, n00b".

J.

[HYP3R]

Of course, had he only played a few hours, you would have said "You haven't played long enough to know what you're talking about, n00b".

J.

Firstly I stopped saying "noob" in CS 1.3.

Second, You don't think that it sounds a bit strange for someone to come here and create a thread and have tons of complaints when you literally spent over 280 hours playing this so called "Lame Game". Do the math, he played over 11 days of this game!!

Not saying that 280 hours is playing too much. I just expect that if someone dedicated that much time and effort that there might be something about the game that they like?

[Ubermensch]

You don't think that it sounds a bit strange for someone to come here and create a thread and have tons of complaints when you literally spent over 280 hours playing this so called "Lame Game". Do the math, he played over 11 days of this game!!

Not saying that 280 hours is playing too much. I just expect that if someone dedicated that much time and effort that there might be something about the game that they like?

couldnt have said it better.

[SPC_Zotchman]

I happened to LOVE the Trauma Studios' DC Mod
I also happen to LOVE BF2
I cannot wait for the DC Mod for BF2
Extra civilian vehicles sparsely located on maps were FUN!
But... The best part of DC?
:rock: The A-10 Warthog. :rock:

[mrbucket]

I enjoy the fact that everyone complains and also raves about the same thing. Thats because its everyones opinions, and i think people have a right to voice them without taking sh*t from some jack*ss. All those who think what people say and feel about something is stupid or wrong, then you dont understand why this country is so great!
And i feel sorry for you...........

[JTBell]

AlucarD']"Go down on my knees and screeeeeeeaaaammm with agony"
I got no words what I think about you complainers, but DC people do you want DC, then play DCombat or DConflict when it launches. Oh and why play a game that suck or why do people even play games that suck, you dont need an IQ ov 150 to understand that, SOME PEOPLE LOVE THESE GAMES.

Oh and yeah, you all should stop complaining about Dice and EA and try make a game yourself. Probly some people will love it and some people will hate it, but isnt that what makes us humans

Funny seeing most guys/girls complaining about a game play it evryday. Have you evr thought about if all you DC guys who dont like BF2, just started playing DC instead right from the beginning when BF2 launched. If there was enough people going back to DC, EA and DICE where bound to notice if that happend and maybe they would have done something about it.

Oh and patches tend to change a game, since the patches usually reflect what the community want

Last but not least. You guys that feel that you shouldnt have bought the game, hmm wonder why they launched the demo before the game

This thread is like that annoying kid at school saying that Iron Maiden rulez and evrything else sucks, or out on a resturant with youre girlfriend and you start screaming and complaining about what she is eating.

There. Now I dont care if I get banned from these forums. And all you complainers out there, I hope you meet up with Sergeant Major Short Curcuit
Wow, you're angry. You should add more angry smilies, it's really easy:

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

See what I'm getting at? Also, don't bring up the "try it yourself" argument, it's not our jobs to make computer games. It's EA's job, and they should at least do a good job. Also, "IQ ov 150", how ironic, you horribly misspelt a two-letter word smack in front of "IQ" and behind "150". Also, you can't really judge a game by the demo, that's why it's a demo (which is shorthand for demonstration) People expected to get a better game in the full version (a reasonable expectation), so who are you to judge, Mr. "ov 150". "

"If there was enough people going back to DC, EA and DICE where bound to notice if that happend and maybe they would have done something about it."

They did, they released their own version of DC. It's called Battlefield 2.

[StormRavn]

i think its funny regardless that the mini mods comin out are makin the game so much better then ea/dice did on a full release of bf2 whats that tell ya

[PBAsydney]

I want to say something...but if i do i might get my arse flamed off...

Everyone has their opinions, thats why each and every individual is special.

[5150 Joker]

All these stupid BF2 fanboys need to realize that without DC, there would never have been a BF2. It was us DC fans that spurred the sales of BF1942 and it was Traumas insight that made BF2 a possiblity. Unfortunately DICE ****ed up and didn't make BF2 the way it should have been. Fortunatley Rising Conflicts may fix that when it is released. I don't know why everyone keeps mentioning POE, it is a very dull mod and their maps were uninspiring.

[imported_matgn03]

But all u BF2-haters know if theyd made bf2 just like dc ud say "wtf is this? they completely ripped of dc, totally used trauma studios, even sent them packing when it was done. geesh"

Come on, seriously, what would dice/ea gain by creating a dc clone? This way we get bf2 and then eventually bf2 based DC, best of both worlds huh, u DC fanboys?

[Thameth]

But all u BF2-haters know if theyd made bf2 just like dc ud say "wtf is this? they completely ripped of dc, totally used trauma studios, even sent them packing when it was done. geesh"

Come on, seriously, what would dice/ea gain by creating a dc clone? This way we get bf2 and then eventually bf2 based DC, best of both worlds huh, u DC fanboys?

Nobody wanted a DC clone. We wanted an updated DC in BF2. The questions are why did they abandon so many of the best parts of DC when they made BF2 instead of adding them in to make the game even bigger and better.

Don't get me wrong i love BF2 and i think its great. Probably the best game out there right now. But they could have made it even better. I guess we'll have to wait for BF3, hopefully its not a even Further FUTURE warfare game.... :rolleyes:

[imported_Gue]

All these stupid BF2 fanboys need to realize that without DC, there would never have been a BF2. It was us DC fans that spurred the sales of BF1942 and it was Traumas insight that made BF2 a possiblity. Unfortunately DICE ****ed up and didn't make BF2 the way it should have been. Fortunatley Rising Conflicts may fix that when it is released. I don't know why everyone keeps mentioning POE, it is a very dull mod and their maps were uninspiring.

U need to realise that if there wasn't Dice there wouldn't be DC. Y'all need to get some respect. This game is not easy in terms of gameplay. It's not like cs were u only need to think about the gun physics. There's alot more thrown in the mix. Some of you may think it couldve done better. Well i guess u know by now, we'll have to wait and see what the mods bring us. Besides there's nothing a patch can't fix.
Whatever they do, games will never be perfect. I can't imagine how much bugs they fixed before game gone retail. Bugs come out there ears. And then afterwards the best testers are the community so speak up and tell them how it can be better. I can ensure u they have already enough work, they can't think of everything. Sure they can also bring lot more content, keep in mind tho, mods don't have a deadline from their publisher nor do they have budget restrictions. It's all for fun, there's no rush.

Btw Poe had the best models I have ever seen in a mod. They also had some nice features like the sabot and heap rounds for tanks, was absolutly lovely. Unfortunatly the balance was unaccurate and the skilless "shoot and forget" heat seeking missiles killed it for me. That's why bfv also was a huge letdown.

[JTBell]

Are you a kindergarten teacher? Student? If everyone had their own opinion that was "special", we'd still have dictators and nazis running 'round.

[imported_Gue]

There were dictators and nazis in the past cos so many ppl were affraid to have their own oppinion. They just follow the rest and worship the great leader that knows it all. I hope this was a good answer on your somewhat wierd reply.

[Dr.D]

I smell a troll!

[exho]

i think i might have stolen this from some one but, you sir are a moron

[At0micfly]

What happened? I was under the impression that the guys from Desert Combat collaborated with EA to produce BF2. Is this correct?

It can't be, because Desert Combat had so much more stuff than BF2 has.

1. Bf2 has so many fewer types of vehicles.
Where's the scud?
Where's the MLRS?
Where's the minibird?
Where's just the average beat down car or tanker truck laying around?
Where's the ZSU?
The Vulcan?

2. Kits have fewer items.
No binoculars
Where's the damn Laser Designator we were promised?
Where's the shoulder launched anti-air?

3. Weapons are crap.
Anti-air missiles? Please.
.50 sniper rifle? No zoom and crap damage.
Light Machine Guns? Takes 400 rounds to kill someone.
Etc.

4. Bunny Hopping: ***

5. Black Hawk can take up to 2 tank shots.

And the list goes on and on. Desert Combat was so superior to this game that it's difficult to imagine that the same people worked on both.


Your a whiney little *****

[shadow_wolf]

he does have some valid points though...like the choppers taking 2+ tank shells...

[ikilled007]

Your a whiney little *****

I would tap you out in 30 seconds.

[imported_Psycho]

It does suck the good game play element isn't even there i played DC for hours and hours after about 2 weeks of playing this i was board and i barly play it at all any more.

[KryCek.x]

Not really, just wait for DC for BF2

Desert combat

1.- where are the squads?
2.- where is the commander?
3.- where is the top 3d view ' a la ' RTS ?
4.- where are those amazing graphics?
5.- where are ambien sound ?
.
.
.
n.- where is your brain ?

LoL - its come along way scince DC eg: physics, graphix ...

LoL --

[Insane]

What happened? I was under the impression that the guys from Desert Combat collaborated with EA to produce BF2. Is this correct?

It can't be, because Desert Combat had so much more stuff than BF2 has.

1. Bf2 has so many fewer types of vehicles.
Where's the scud?
Where's the MLRS?
Where's the minibird?
Where's just the average beat down car or tanker truck laying around?
Where's the ZSU?
The Vulcan?

2. Kits have fewer items.
No binoculars
Where's the damn Laser Designator we were promised?
Where's the shoulder launched anti-air?

3. Weapons are crap.
Anti-air missiles? Please.
.50 sniper rifle? No zoom and crap damage.
Light Machine Guns? Takes 400 rounds to kill someone.
Etc.

4. Bunny Hopping: ***

5. Black Hawk can take up to 2 tank shots.

And the list goes on and on. Desert Combat was so superior to this game that it's difficult to imagine that the same people worked on both.

you sir, are an idiot.

lets see, desert combat FINAL was a release that wasnt made by the DC team so i am going to refer to DC .7.

-the vehicles are out of porportion, and the m1 abrams seems to be too small while the the humvees seem to be too big.
-the humvees perform like '80 honda civics and will blow up when moving across a sand dune.
-impossible to hover helicopters STEADILY. everyone loved the DC choppers because that was what they were used to, so they said that BFV and BF2 choppers suck because they are used to DC ones.
-entire servers with EVERYONE using the AT kit. basically everyones running around with RPGs, SMAWs, or stingers.<--this is what annoys me the most
-AA guns such as the ZSU, flak, or others (except stinger) are useless, they cant shoot a chopper down at all.
-PERMA-bunny hoppers. yes, there isnt a stamina bar in DC so everyone can bunny hop all they want without getting tired...and you are complaining about BF2 bunny hoppers.
-any weapon of "mass destruction" in a multiplayer game will make it REALLY unbalanced, thats why there are no handheld 1 shot kill weapons (except maybe explosives) because EA/DICE doesnt want a unbalanced "best weapon ever" weapon. USE YOUR HEAD AND STOP COMPLAINING THE .50 CANT DO DAMAGE, it does 95, which is 95% of damage, so take out the guy's last 5% of health with your pistol or something.
-beat down cars or tankers will make jihad runs in BF2 much worse.
-you dont need binoculars in BF2, the only reason you might need a binocular is if you want to snipe with a assault rifle or carbine, but hey USE THE SNIPER KIT.
-the things that were "promised" but removed must have a reason why they are removed, the code for the laser designater is still here, just not in the game. there are other things that were "promised", such as the blackhawk with the rockets, but you know how unbalanced the blackhawk will be NOW if it was added?

you all played this game, and if you keep complaining about it and say it sucks, than DONT PLAY. in fact, if you hate this game so much, go back to playing Desert Combat and take off the STATS SIG.

Your a whiney little *****

[imported_matgn03]

you sir, are an idiot.

lets see, desert combat FINAL was a release that wasnt made by the DC team so i am going to refer to DC .7.

-the vehicles are out of porportion, and the m1 abrams seems to be too small while the the humvees seem to be too big.
-the humvees perform like '80 honda civics and will blow up when moving across a sand dune.
-impossible to hover helicopters STEADILY. everyone loved the DC choppers because that was what they were used to, so they said that BFV and BF2 choppers suck because they are used to DC ones.
-entire servers with EVERYONE using the AT kit. basically everyones running around with RPGs, SMAWs, or stingers.<--this is what annoys me the most
-AA guns such as the ZSU, flak, or others (except stinger) are useless, they cant shoot a chopper down at all.
-PERMA-bunny hoppers. yes, there isnt a stamina bar in DC so everyone can bunny hop all they want without getting tired...and you are complaining about BF2 bunny hoppers.
-any weapon of "mass destruction" in a multiplayer game will make it REALLY unbalanced, thats why there are no handheld 1 shot kill weapons (except maybe explosives) because EA/DICE doesnt want a unbalanced "best weapon ever" weapon. USE YOUR HEAD AND STOP COMPLAINING THE .50 CANT DO DAMAGE, it does 95, which is 95% of damage, so take out the guy's last 5% of health with your pistol or something.
-beat down cars or tankers will make jihad runs in BF2 much worse.
-you dont need binoculars in BF2, the only reason you might need a binocular is if you want to snipe with a assault rifle or carbine, but hey USE THE SNIPER KIT.
-the things that were "promised" but removed must have a reason why they are removed, the code for the laser designater is still here, just not in the game. there are other things that were "promised", such as the blackhawk with the rockets, but you know how unbalanced the blackhawk will be NOW if it was added?

you all played this game, and if you keep complaining about it and say it sucks, than DONT PLAY. in fact, if you hate this game so much, go back to playing Desert Combat and take off the STATS SIG.

Amen. Especially the faults of DC. Ppl are so biased in their opinions that they forget the imperfections of the game they are in love with.

[<=BaD=>Chemical]

-impossible to hover helicopters STEADILY. everyone loved the DC choppers because that was what they were used to, so they said that BFV and BF2 choppers suck because they are used to DC ones.


You suck if you cant hover a DC hele .. BF2 choppers are made for n00bs like
you.. Choppers controls for dummies

[Insane]

You suck if you cant hover a DC hele .. BF2 choppers are made for n00bs like
you.. Choppers controls for dummies

ok, show me a video of YOU or ANYONE else hovering a DC helo steadily, and keyword is steadily while capping a flag. spinning around while capping does not count. i would like to see you hover steadily like how a BFV or BF2 chopper would.

[L3adcannon]

Well the weapons and vehicles in DC kick BF2`s anytime but the rest of it is ok. Wait, is Desert Storm developed by the same team that made DC

[hollowpoint367]

Well the weapons and vehicles in DC kick BF2`s anytime but the rest of it is ok. Wait, is Desert Storm developed by the same team that made DC


Mmm I like BF2 more than DC, but that's just my opinion. Once an El-Al for BF2 is finished, I will be very satisfied heh.

[bam23]

The only thing DC has over BF2 is that I can run it better.

[imported_Psycho]

ok, show me a video of YOU or ANYONE else hovering a DC helo steadily, and keyword is steadily while capping a flag. spinning around while capping does not count. i would like to see you hover steadily like how a BFV or BF2 chopper would.
i can do that easily then i can also backflip and barrel roll them.

[Clayton Gold]

i can do that easily then i can also backflip and barrel roll them.

Yeah same here.

I like BF2 better than DC, but I like the DC chopper controls better.... Keeps many of the noobs from flying.

[TRIGRHAPPY]

DC was pretty much a chopper whore’s paradise which allowed good chopper pilots to own the whole map. This is what a lot of the DC fan boys want again.

So BF2 is balanced? You mean with BH's that can take 2 tank shots before blowing up and NOT giving ground to air missiles in any kits? Yea, that's a whole lot better in my opinion [/sarcasim]

Now...trying to be unbiased here, lets take a look at this post.

We're on a BF2 forum, saying Battlefield 2 sucks. About Half the people agree that DC > BF2. Desert Combat hasn't been in development for the better part of a year now, BF2 is a brand new game. People that support BF2 keep bring up some advantages BF2 has over DC......but the only thing they all seem to agree on is graphics.

Now looking at the qualities of BF2:

Graphics
Sound
"LOCKING" missiles and cooler HUDs
Squad based combat

Now the things DICE got wrong in BF2:

BUGS OUT THE ARSE
Few Vehicles
Earned weapon kits (12yr olds have the advantage cuz they dont WORK, the whole attack squad thing was ruined by turning everyone into stat whores)
Commander mode (has potential, but it's current version sucks)
Maps (very little massive armor battles, that's the heat)
No infantry based anti-air
"Physics" (does anyone honestly think the aircraft are *more* realistic?)
Damage (2 shots from a .50 cal sniper to kill a MAN?!?! Those things are designed to take out VEHICLES, they'd DETONATE A HUMAN BODY)
No coop or CTF......what the hell were they thinking?

On to Desert Combat:

GOOD:
Maps (not a single person in the world has the right to complain about DCs maps)
Vehicles (nicely detailed, robust selection)
Weapons (infantry anti-air, spec ops is l33t)
Graphics (hey, it's at the limits of the BF1942 engine)
Sound (see above)
Gameplay (simply the best it could have been)
Flight Physics (responsive controls, big learning curve, powerful once mastered)

BAD:

No "teamwork" concept
No auto-hover (i added this in for the n00bs who complain that they can't hover in a chopper, i can do it just fine)
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BTW, for the guy who asked how to install DCF.

BF1942
Patch 1.61 Full
Patch 1.61 incremental
Desert Combat .7 Full
Desert Combat Final
Desert Combat Extended .9 (optional, but fun)

[Ion]

4. Bunny Hopping: ***

Since when can't you hop in DC?

[Insane]

yes, no one in the world can complain about maps in DC, than again, the most played map in DC is a BF1942 map.

edit. barrel rolling and such meneuvers are so easy, its not worth bragging about.

[BryanG]

All I know is this "Desert Combat" is looks ugly as hell next to BF2.

[Coutie]

<3 insane. Plus, DC didn't have laser designator mr.first poster.

[DrunkenPirate]

All I know is this "Desert Combat" is looks ugly as hell next to BF2.Yes, and we all know that graphics mean everything :rolleyes:
DC was an awesome mod avaliable for the price of $0, but I guess you can't see that.

[Mbigitty]

In the world of kiddy gamers, graphics mean the world. If the graphics suck, then the game sucks.....it is a shame really. Im gonna teach my son to love what he gets, whether it is like everything else he wants or not ;) To make the future of gaming a better place :)

[Munchies]

Say what you want to say but DC and PoE both lasted longer for me, and had me for over half a year each, while BF2 kept me interested for less than 2 weeks which is kind of disturbing.

Props to thread starter that was nice flamebait.

[Jake]

Since when can't you hop in DC?

You can't hop 10 ft in the air. Bunny hopping was not a problem in DC.

Like munchies said, I played DC constantly since .3, never got tired of it. Played BF2 since release, already tired of it.

[baggygreen]

But you see thats the problem. When EA bought Trauma alot of people were lead to believe that BF2 would basically become an official DC2.

Yes BF2 if freakin great, but alot of us wished it would have kept or implemented more of DC or the idea's from DC into it.
What you say is true, but you fail to take into account the number of mongrels in the forums who would go on and start whinging about how BF2 is merely a glorified DC and nothing really changed....

Some people just cant be pleased can they!

[BryanG]

In the world of kiddy gamers, graphics mean the world. If the graphics suck, then the game sucks.....it is a shame really. Im gonna teach my son to love what he gets, whether it is like everything else he wants or not ;) To make the future of gaming a better place :)

Well I'm 18 and the fact is I love to see how far games have come and that means the graphics technology.

[Solar71]

if a game is good, its good...
if its not, its not...

graphics are only iceing on the cake...
if a game has SOSO graphics, but the play KiCKS ***... then its a KiCK *** game...

If a game has AWESOME graphics but gameplay sucks, then the game just sucks...

graphics are not THAT important AT ALL...
Only for children maybe...

Have you ever held something shiny and sparkly in front of an infant ?
they just want to hold it so bad...

Some of you in here are like infants...

[TRIGRHAPPY]

Haha, infants........that was good.

BryanG, "how far games have come" mean a lot of things, not the least of which is gameplay, and BF2 took a big step BACKWARDS compared to DC.

All I know is this "Desert Combat" is looks ugly as hell next to BF2.

Okay, BF2 has better graphics, i'll give you that. But honestly, it ends there. When it comes down to it, DC pushes the limits of the BF1942 engine. Thing is, a LOT of people are going back to playing Desert Combat, even after BF2 is released. People who have actually tried DC and KNOW what multiplayer fun truely is........like DC, and a bunch are dropping BF2 for it.

And the fact that so many people on this forum (a BF2 forum) are defending DC also says something. Maybe the EA fanboys should actually play DC for a week, you'd play it a helluva lot longer i bet.

[DrunkenAviator]

The whole AA thing is really irritating... All the people who can't fly well want AT kits with stingers so everyone and their mother has AA missiles, and all the aircraft are useless... The people who can fly want AA as ineffective as possible so they can rape all... There should be a middle ground... I think DC had that one right with the AA kits you could pick up during the level... That way they can have a limited number and still have effective infantry based AA.... It'd be great if EA could implement something like that in a patch...

As far as the DC/BF2 thing, they're both good games.... You just have to keep in mind that BF2 is now at the equivalent of DC .1 ... Give them some time to refine it and add stuff before you make direct comparisons...

[bam23]

DC had about 50 choppers per map.

[Munchies]

The difference is that BF2 is a retail game, retail games arent supposed to use excuses like "this is just our pre alpha testing build dont blame us" because it isent supposed to happen to a retail company, people who payed money for a game want it to be good and fun to play, excuses arent worth money.

[Grey Fox]

Hey can anyone post video's of them or someone else doing manouvres in DC that you can't do in BF2, I see a lot of people complaining that you can't do certain things in BF2 that you could do in DC. If you want to explain to people like me who have never played DC why the controls are better this is the way to do it.

[CXZAR]

actually the other day i played some really good hours of DC and these are the things i missed from BF2

- Graphics of course
- IRON SIGHTS!!! (actually i was playing CS the other day and i tried to raise the sigs on the M4 and i got killed because i didnt remember that instead of the iron sigs it was going for the freaking silencer :P) damn!!!i hated that...
- The AI of course!!!
- and the commander and squad mode
- oh and the guillie suit :P

all the other good things belong to DC honestly!!! by the way, im really looking fordward to the g36..,. i mean, POE :P (i just love the G36)

[BarkingSquirrel]

- oh and the guillie suit :P
You mean the guillie suit that shows exactly where you are on satellite and uav scans?

[TRIGRHAPPY]

Hey can anyone post video's of them or someone else doing manouvres in DC that you can't do in BF2, I see a lot of people complaining that you can't do certain things in BF2 that you could do in DC. If you want to explain to people like me who have never played DC why the controls are better this is the way to do it.

When i get back to the states i'll be happy to make a movie of this.

I won't even use the littlebird, which wouldn't be fair to you cuz i can practically fly that damn thing upside down (metaphorically speaking of course).

Hell, to make it nice and simple, the rudder control is much better, as in faster and more realistic. Flying the cobra in BF2 is like flying a transport chopper in Desert Combat in terms of responsiveness and versatility. A small aircraft like that should be extremely responsive.....not sluggish and slow to respond to inputs the way BF2 is. The only reason BF2 is like this is so n00bs can jump in a helicopter and fly it right from the start without any practice at all, like driving a tank.

You didn't see n00bs flying helicopters in DC, and if they did try, you can usually see them crash it before they get out of eyesight. It was a skill people had to develop, and once you did, you could inflict a LOT of damage.

[Ghost-Three-Four]

DC covered a War that was done a LONG time ago...Operation Desert Storm 1991.

[$G-MONEY SMITH$]

dc controls were sweet dc is still fun. i love how amazingly unrealistic it is even more so then bf2, im not saying its bad its what made it so damn fun the little birds just owned i love them. i hated everything that didnt fly in dc though.

[icemagician296]

You guys want open desert battles and tons of choppers and stuff to play with http://usimod.clanspy.net

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/IceMagician___296/Newtanks.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v111/IceMagician___296/screen020.jpg

[BOBSONATOR025]

Where's the minibird?


actually its a littlebird:p

[gungho]

You guys want open desert battles and tons of choppers and stuff to play with

Yes please ! When is it out ?

[Krring]

Is there really a reason to be overcritical at this point? There hasn't been too many patches released yet...

[={SOC}= Sniper]

DCDCF and DCX pwn bf2 kinda sux but its ok DCFX:JA WILL PWN ALL

[-=[CID]=- Texan]

Let me start off by saying I LOVE this game. Thats right I love it. And I'm not ashamed to say it.... BUT......

Well I wish that they had a little more variation in the vehicles catagory. Every team has one of everything. tank, apc, helicopter. All handle pretty much the same and can take about the same amount of dammage, same driving speed, same air to gorund missles ect. ect. blah blah blah(with the exception of jeeps and the black hawk). And if the is any difference its not a lot
You might as well just play US vs Us and leave the other teams out of it.

BF Vietnam had a lot more variation when it came to vehicles. But they had a lot of patches. One can only hope they listen to this type of "constructive comments" at DC.

I still have my fiath in the BF crew:salute: , and can't wait to see how handle this.

[Ganzothegreat]

I fell like Im the only person who barely uses vehicles in bf2, I think infantry combat is much better
And by the way someone who said they wouldnt make as much money if they released it with everything in it YOU DONT HAVE TO PAY MONEY FOR PATCHES MORON!!

[BurnTheWeed]

Had some of my friends drop into a game of DC with me last night and man it was fun. Definitely takes some time to get use to the game once again but after an hour it all comes back. The infantry combat is just incredible. I released how much faster paced it is compared to BF2, you can die a lot but you get into the action much more. The controls for DC are so much tighter and the gameplay feels more diverse. Everything just feels more balanced. If only the graphics were better.

[AndEhBus]

I was a bf1942 fanatic -- played loads of Desert Combat -- I got a lot of my friends involved and it was great.

I prided myself in my skills as a pilot it took a lot of work to master but that's what made the game so gratifying -- That is what set bf1942 apart from all the other games -- the difficulty and realism in the controls.

When BF2 came out I was very excited until I sat in a chopper I was heart-broken the controls were dumb-down so badly it took a lot of the maneuverability out of the vehicle -- I have not purchased the game and will not purchase the game -- as a result only a couple of my friends ended up buying bf2 and I gave them a hard time telling them it's for noobz...

I just don't see the point in making a game with a level of difficulty that requires a certain level of proficiency – then having it be a huge success as is -- then turning around and making a sequel that dumbs the game down so it requires less skill... I hope whoever made that call dies in a fire...

[wootoow]

I have not purchased the game and will not purchase the game -- as a result only a couple of my friends ended up buying bf2 and I gave them a hard time telling them it's for noobz...


I hope whoever made that call dies in a fire...



So you dig up a 13 month old thread to trash a game you dont even own, you call your friends names because they happen to like it and you dont, then you state you hope someone dies in a fire.

Congratulations on making yourself out to look like a loser not once, but 3 times in one post.

[Cherni]

its not EA's fault, its those god damned swedish ppl at DICE
Other way around:p

[IVfluids]

-AndEhBus

Bored much? Using the same post in four threads lol.

[fotrsaken]

Where's the damn Laser Designator we were promised?
ya what happened to that? i saw it in the mashtuur abush trailer,oh and what happened to the rocket pods on the side of the black hawk to defend it well to bad:cry:

[Sub_zer0]

laser designator would be been sweet but there is so much i miss from dc :(

Where's the damn Laser Designator we were promised?
ya what happened to that? i saw it in the mashtuur abush trailer,oh and what happened to the rocket pods on the side of the black hawk to defend it well to bad:cry:
in The alpha you used to be able to rope down from black hawk but they took that out also