Hey DICE, Euro Forces blows. Want to know why?

[vbl]

Allow me to tell you. Some folks will disagree, but these facts remain.


2 of the 3 maps are armor focused. Euro Forces was not supposed to be about armor - Armored Fury is supposed to be about armor. 99% of your playerbase was expecting a more balanced set of maps and gameplay. You completely missed the mark with their expectations. (Note: Some folks are happy/don't care about the disconnect, but most of us have bought the booster and played it less than 10 times because we're completely disappointed)

You spent time making a new helicopter, but only included it in 1 of the 3 maps. Why bother? You wasted time and dev resources (and we paid money) for something that we can only use 33% of the time.

You spent time making 2 new tanks, despite the fact that they sound exactly alike (they share the M1's sounds) and don't really have any noteworthy differences aside from the physical look. Tank combat was already one-dimensional with only negligible differences between the regular BF2 tanks. Why add more of the same without adding depth?

Great Wall, the only map worth playing for real joint arms combat, is possibly the shallowest map in the game. Every firefight on the wall is the same. You have a shootout in one part of the wall, you've had a shootout on all parts. Theres no variety like the varying alleys of Mashtuur. Oh, and armor still rules the ground.

Taraba Quarry was made in (I hope) 15 minutes. Flat, boring, completely linear. You managed to make a map that is as uninteresting as Zatar Wetlands but reduced the flow of the battle to a single path. You couldn't even add RIBs to the coastline?

Great new guns! But we can't use them anywhere except on the new maps which, as mentioned, completely devalue small arms combat. We understand that there are memory implications with adding new unlocks, but you know what? We'd like you to figure it out. Everybody wants the EU guns to be available. You obviously didn't think your growth strategy through when you decided to start adding content. Now you're just p1ssing people off.

Finally, in typical form, you've managed to completely marginalize almost half of the kits, depending on the map. There's really no relevant reason to play Medic, Support, or Assault on TQ or OSS. Great Wall is all about sniping and landmines, with some medic work thrown in. I love being forced to play a kit because the map requires it in order for me to be able to contribute. Every kit should be able to make a meaningful contribution on any map. This isn't news though, as anyone trying to play Support on Operation Clean Sweep can tell you.


Please print this out and circulate it around the office. Hopefully it's not too late to fix AF before you completely step in it. Again. The playerbase has a strong pulse - why can't you seem to tap into it?

(I boldfaced the beginning of each line to increase readibility. I couldn't put line breaks in between the numbers and I needed a way to break up text)

[N2K]

Very well said

[D|sso]

The above x2.

[-(PK)-DarkIllusion]

kudos, very well said..

[TheEndofWar]

Euro Forces Is Boring Boring Boring. I Love The Guns But I Never Get To Use Them Because Tanks And Planes Are Killing Me. The Only Place To Use Them Is To Run To The Enemies Airbase And Kill All Those Guys Waiting For Jets. What A Waste. Its More Boring Than Disneys California Adventure.

Make Some New Maps For Sf, Or Add Classics To Sf, Like Karkand And Sharqi. I'd Pay For That.

[Smiley_ie]

Well said......................
I got EF over a month ago and ive only managed to have 2 games online, other than trying them in single player. This hole 3 new map thing does not work and i wont be getting the next one. Stick to cd/dvd release like SF and release proper addons.

[StalkerZERO]

Indeed do I concur wholeheartedly. :cool:

Sometimes I feel the guys over at EA/DICE are just a bunch of greedy little nooby kids pretending to be grown up businessmen.
Oh, wait.....they are! :laugh:

[Hephaistion]

Variable, for once I completely agree with you (that sounded weird, so I said it aloud and it sounded even weirder). I am really disappointed with Euro. Especially smokescreen. My video cards work soo much harder for no real rason, the stupid smoke and "windmills" are unneeded and al they do is stress out my GPU's. Great Wall is the only good map and it still sucks. There is no reason to play any other kit than AT on the maps because the tanks are soo plentiful, playing any other class is just like asking for a purple heart.

[PLooB]

what are RIBs?

[zymyo]

and I have the P90 =) which is the best thing EA made for euroforce, for free =)

[Hephaistion]

what are RIBs?
They are deeeelicious! That's what they are!

Rigid Inflatable Boat

[Joe1141]

Now that I think about it, I've probably played Euro Forces less than 10 times. Great Wall is boring and the airpower imbalance ruins the rest. I play SF mostly these days, though I have had a couple of nice Kubra Dam rounds.

[Papi4baby]

I dissagree.

[vbl]

I dissagree.

I know.

[Grudge]

I like Great wall, but that's about it. I agree that we need more ground combat maps like Karkand and Sharqi. Funny comment on Zatar, made me laugh.

G

[<EsP>Fury]

Variable what can I say your a Genius!

[=GzR=Damager]

great post variable .. I totally agree with all points

I have it and had a heel of a time installing it .. once I did, I think I have played less than 6 hrs

[IntensivCareBear]

completely disagree.

bfa variable, like rombaft clearly has never played Desert combat, and apparently just likes the karkand whoring.

if you want infantry, go back to SF and or counterstrike

battlefield is primarily about vehicles, and operation smokescreen is the BEST DAMN VEHICLE MAP by FAR in the game.

whining morons. what are you doing in the EF forum if you hate it?

taraba quarry sucks and great wall is decent, but great wall has too much claymore and armor whoring whereas OPERATION SMOKESCREEN IS PERFECT.

Variable what can I say your a Genius!

just for agreeing with the rest of the whiners. wow! its even worse here than in the vanilla discussion.

EA, ignore this moron. yeah taraba quarry blows and EF is underutilized, but thats the moronic servers fault.

they should stick to operation smokescreen and great wall.

exclusive ground pounder PKM types who cry at the first sign of a vehicle are not the kind of people that battlefield should have anyway.

[Brindled]

this really should be in a dice submission question.
i didnt buy into their marketing hype for the expansion, cuz i had played desert combat and bf42 also. they use to give us these type of upgrades with patches. now all we get is one rehash of wake. EA really is dissappointing it's longest playing bf players. dont get me wrong, i dont think people that have been playing battlefield longer should have more say, it's just we have been there and done that only to have it done to us again and again. that's why i didnt buy the expansion. sooner or later you will be able to buy it all packaged up for $29.00 just like bf42 is now w/ all of its expansions including BFV.

[vbl]

completely disagree.

bfa variable, like rombaft clearly has never played Desert combat, and apparently just likes the karkand whoring.

if you want infantry, go back to SF and or counterstrike

battlefield is primarily about vehicles, and operation smokescreen is the BEST DAMN VEHICLE MAP by FAR in the game.

whining morons. what are you doing in the EF forum if you hate it?

taraba quarry sucks and great wall is decent, but great wall has too much claymore and armor whoring whereas OPERATION SMOKESCREEN IS PERFECT.

just for agreeing with the rest of the whiners. wow! its even worse here than in the vanilla discussion.

EA, ignore this moron. yeah taraba quarry blows and EF is underutilized, but thats the moronic servers fault.

they should stick to operation smokescreen and great wall.

exclusive ground pounder PKM types who cry at the first sign of a vehicle are not the kind of people that battlefield should have anyway.

All that typing and you managed to add nothing. You even agreed with me concerning most of the maps being weak. Nice job!

[xisix]

yeah..... kinda disappointed except for Great Wall at times. :hmm:

End up only playing Engineer [for mines] or maybe Anti-Tank.
Unless in mood for getting run over, blasted to bits by air or armor.

So much more could have done with maps.

Love another dense city map like Paris or London. Imagine ?
Blasting doubledecker buses, statues, etc.
Even a snow map in Moscow ?

Sigh.

[TITAN126]

Everything you said is true, but I still like EuroForce.

[rombaft]

I agree, EF blows big time

[vbl]

Everything you said is true, but I still like EuroForce.

Good! :yay:

Glad to know that a few of you enjoy it.

[apdshep]

i soooooo like ef!

[Havik89]

I just find the gameplay much slower than vanilla for some reason. It gets boring really quick.

[afrosheen]

EF is much slower because you spawn a mile from anything to shoot at, you have to drive pokey armor to get there, and you'll probably die from a bomber or tank before you make it to a hotspot. Plus, on most EF maps (big exception is Great Wall) there are no choke points. Taraba Quarry is so wide open, only the quarry itself is somewhat protected but can still be openly attacked from either side.

I think they should have had alot of city maps. After all, when I think Euro Forces, I think of kicking *** in London, Paris, Berlin, you name it. Not out in the middle of the desert like always. I mean, for god's sakes please give us one jungle map like BFV.

[kran1um]

For all you EuroForces SMOKESCREEN lovers, I am opening a 24/7 Smokescreen server tommorrow! :D

PM me for details.

[ConscriptVirus]

lol...hmm wonder why i didnt buy euro force...

anyways..exp packs should add gameplay stuff...not new vehicles..cuz most guns are the same...
watch a movie with shooting..and ppl use all kinds of guns..big guns small guns fat guns skinny guns..and they all kill in like 1-3 shots..and they all sound somewaht simliar..bang bang..so the tanks are prob the same-ish and ppl should stop requesting new guns

[Sepp_Dietrich]

Blah Blah Blah Crap Crap Crap.



Feel better skippy?

[Snipe_King_06]

Allow me to tell you. Some folks will disagree, but these facts remain.


2 of the 3 maps are armor focused. Euro Forces was not supposed to be about armor - Armored Fury is supposed to be about armor. 99% of your playerbase was expecting a more balanced set of maps and gameplay. You completely missed the mark with their expectations. (Note: Some folks are happy/don't care about the disconnect, but most of us have bought the booster and played it less than 10 times because we're completely disappointed)

You spent time making a new helicopter, but only included it in 1 of the 3 maps. Why bother? You wasted time and dev resources (and we paid money) for something that we can only use 33% of the time.

You spent time making 2 new tanks, despite the fact that they sound exactly alike (they share the M1's sounds) and don't really have any noteworthy differences aside from the physical look. Tank combat was already single-dimensional with only negligible differences between the regular BF2 tanks. Why add more of the same without adding depth?

Great Wall, the only map worth playing for real joint arms combat, is possibly the shallowest map in the game. Every firefight on the wall is the same. You have a shootout in one part of the wall, you've had a shootout on all parts. Theres no variety like the varying alleys of Mashtuur. Oh, and armor still rules the ground.

Taraba Quarry was made in (I hope) 15 minutes. Flat, boring, completely linear. You managed to make a map that is as uninteresting as Zatar Wetlands but reduced the flow of the battle to a single dimension. You couldn't even add RIBs to the coastline?

Great new guns! But we can't use them anywhere except on the new maps which, as mentioned, completely devalue small arms combat. We understand that there are memory implications with adding new unlocks, but you know what? We'd like you to figure it out. Everybody wants the EU guns to be available. You obviously didn't think your growth strategy through when you decided to start adding content. Now you're just p1ssing people off.

Finally, in typical form, you've managed to completely marginalize almost half of the kits, depending on the map. There's really no relevant reason to play Medic, Support, or Assault on TQ or OSS. Great Wall is all about sniping and landmines, with some medic work thrown in. I love being forced to play a kit because the map requires it in order for me to be able to contribute. Every kit should be able to make a meaningful contribution on any map. This isn't news though, as anyone trying to play Support on Operation Clean Sweep can tell you.


Please print this out and circulate around the office. Hopefully it's not too late to fix AF before you completely step in it. Again. The playerbase has a strong pulse - why can't you seem to tap into it?

(I boldfaced the beginning of each line to increase readibility. I couldn't put line breaks in between the numbers so I needed a way to break up text)

Mate, i totally agree with you. I dislike the game and it's just odd.;)

[Hans like sveete]

yea i played on it round my friends and was severly disapointed

[kran1um]

IMHO, Smokescreen and Wall are the only reason I got it. And Smokescreen is like a BF42 map, EL Alamien I think. I think Armoured Fury is gonna be 3 more Smokescreens.

[apocrypha]

I'm glad I didn't buy EF. More armor focused maps is not what I am looking for. Probably the same reason I won't buy Armored force either. Don't get me wrong I'm good enoughf at bf2 to aviod most armor, and since I have SF ghost town quenches my thirst for a non-armor dominated map. Another thing I must note: I never step foot on a map with airplanes. Why? Because its just not fun to be on the ground with those flying around.

[ghaib]

I agree

[kran1um]

yeah, I also like Infantry only, that's why Warlord is my top map played. But sometimes even I need a change...

[spitsfreeman]

if you want infantry, go back to SF and or counterstrike

ok i think you have missed a big point here..although some maps say "smoke screen" might be a perfect map...ITS NOT WHAT WE PAID FOR...i was under the delusion that euro forces would be infantry based, and that armored fury would be all about tanks ect...

Go back and play css what are you on if people wanted to play that they would. I as well as many people i know want large scale INFANTRY based combat, not to run around a map the size of a back yard (and no its not because we cant fly or tank whore its becuse its a lot of fun)

and as for special forces thats just as bad APCS TANKS CHOPPERS ECT

maps like the great wall could have been great (i still like it) if there wasnt tanks and apcs..

Oh and one thing that did really get to me when i go this was
"why on earth do the EU Forces still use american APCS and AA's???"
EA=Lazy

[BravoTwoZeroUK]

Once again I stook by my guns and didn't bother purchasing Expansion (Booster) packs:D
God I'm clever!

[compuguy1088]

I personally the new pack, all the maps are good, a little laggy, but are still fun to play. Smoke Screen should actually be renamed, Armored Fury, because of all the tanks that are in the map :).

[Revoluti0n]

Great Wall is a good sniping/medic map. I mean, you cannot expect all the maps to be perfectly balanced every single time can you? It is the most innovative map so far.

I do not like Taraba Quarry at all. It is well balanced though. The map is almost perfectly symmetrical. You cannot say it isn't. The shape of the playing field even allows pilots to fly with some degree of comfort.

Operation Smokescreen is also among my least favorites, but it is balanced. If you look at the map itself and consider the spawn points and how they are arranged in relation to the vehicles and the enemy spawn points, it is perfectly symmetrical.

Symmetry does not equal a fun playable map though. So I agree with Variable for the most part. It would be nice if the fixed the Eurojet and the POS Tiger to work a little better. The best chopper in the game to be released yet is the Apache Longbow, hands down it is the smoothest and looks the coolest.

[Illegal_Carrot]

I did not buy SF or EF. EA should NOT be charging for this stuff. They should finish a game before randomly charging for expansions.
Look at America's Army. They give so many great updates/downloads, and a great community. Not once while playing AA (I've been playing since v1.4, now they're at least on v2.5) have I had it randomly crash (crash-to-desktop, anyone?), while BF2 has more problems than anyone can fix, and the patches don't even fix them!

"BUT CARRIOT BF2 IS BETTAR!!"
If I could actually get BF2 to work, then yes, overall it would be better, but America's Army is 100% free.

[ImgSunscreen]

Good post. You hit it head on dude...I've played less that 10 times. I was excited at first, but you soon realize the huge downfalls listed above.

[Scykkz]

Thank you for your post, the only thing i liked about the expansion was the Euro guns but you can barely use them on the big maps and for the great wall I ALWAYS GET SNIPED. And I hope your message gets through about Armored Fury hopefully it won't suck MAJOR A$$HOLE.

[Kahoona]

For the people saying BF2 is only about planes and tanks, if it is then why did EA add infantry? They could have saved a lot of time and just have a selection screen choosing your vehicle...

[SyNn3R]

to those of you whinning like little girls about how there's supposed to be infantry only maps.. **** OFF. it's about modern combat and i don't recall any recent wars that were all infantry based... not to mention that most of you played bf1942.. why on earth would you assume they make an infantry only map?? Although in one way i agree with you, however the side i see it on is that SF should have been infantry & transport only.. since WHEN did a special forces team have a huuuge *** chopper??

side note.. EA, fix all this utter crap. stop with the whole new game & expansion pack until you can release something that doesn't have a million bugs, most of which mind you though started AFTER the patch that allieviated dolphin diving. FIX IT so you have a solid foundation to build it on, not just pile crap on an unstable game. i don't expect to get anything for free from EA.DICE other than the games i've already paid for working. And wtf is up with SF anyways? why did i spend time going for awards that require 250 hrs per team if by the time i get to the first one the game will no longer be in exsistance??

^^ my 2 cents

[Vundu]

Agree totally, if EF was not meant to be armour intensive imagine AF is gonna be like.

[-CsA-Bearcage]

Hear here!!!!!

[GLENNYBOY1]

Ooeer,I've just had a scarey thought!

EF gets screwed up and turns into Armoured Fury right?

Look at the new vehicles for AF....planes!....'Aviation Fury' is just round the corner...mark my words chaps,theres gonna be complaints about how these maps were supposed to be about larking about in tanks and get ready for tales of woe about getting pwned by overpowerful A-10s.

Judging from how wrong EF got it,AF will have 2 tanks for each side and 12 planes circling like vultures :D

[DrunkenPirate]

Yea, I agree with this ^^

[GLENNYBOY1]

Cheers Drunken,

Whatever AF turns out to be (shudder!!) it would be a nice gesture if we got a one off (free) Karkand style map with a forthcoming patch,just to keep the groundpounders happy.

Come on EA/Dice,you know it makes sense.;)

[HITDOG]

i agree on one map . tq. fora person with over 1200hrs of play time. i think great wall is the best map ever. real infintry skills required. eng are a real threat. and having good squads holding certain flags makes it a good game. but if ur in noob hell. and they have the inside flags. all u need is a tank and eng's at the opening and 10 snipers and an apc at the wall that crumbles lol. operation smoke screen is fun. u have a vechile at all times. which is fun. to say it stinks. is all wrong u guys expect things for ur selves ur selfish people. who complain about everything. they keep patching cause u keep complaining. before some of the patches it was a requirment to have good pilots now any noob can shoot em down. think clan matches ur air could win u matches . now stop complaing. fort 9.99 they did a good job.

[BravoTwoZeroUK]

I can remember just before SF came out and some people were saying I'm not going to buy it then had half the community calling them whiners and it's there bad luck they're not in with SF.
So SF comes out and everyone just used it for the weapons and complain they paid for it.
Now EF comes out and the same gullible people buy it, then complain about it:rolleyes:
Fair enough the expansion/booster packs haven't cost all that much but still you've paid for what you can get for free with a Mod with alot more content for FREE.
Fair enough for kids who get excited at the thought of something new but adults that brought them then complain.
What did you expect !

[ACE4U]

EF is much slower because you spawn a mile from anything to shoot at, you have to drive pokey armor to get there, and you'll probably die from a bomber or tank before you make it to a hotspot. Plus, on most EF maps (big exception is Great Wall) there are no choke points. Taraba Quarry is so wide open, only the quarry itself is somewhat protected but can still be openly attacked from either side.

I think they should have had alot of city maps. After all, when I think Euro Forces, I think of kicking *** in London, Paris, Berlin, you name it. Not out in the middle of the desert like always. I mean, for god's sakes please give us one jungle map like BFV.

I was thinking in the streets of Germany and in towns, where the streets are too small for tanks to pass through, you must use infrantry tactics.

[mursht]

Allow me to tell you. Some folks will disagree, but these facts remain.


2 of the 3 maps are armor focused. Euro Forces was not supposed to be about armor - Armored Fury is supposed to be about armor. 99% of your playerbase was expecting a more balanced set of maps and gameplay. You completely missed the mark with their expectations. (Note: Some folks are happy/don't care about the disconnect, but most of us have bought the booster and played it less than 10 times because we're completely disappointed)

You spent time making a new helicopter, but only included it in 1 of the 3 maps. Why bother? You wasted time and dev resources (and we paid money) for something that we can only use 33% of the time.

You spent time making 2 new tanks, despite the fact that they sound exactly alike (they share the M1's sounds) and don't really have any noteworthy differences aside from the physical look. Tank combat was already single-dimensional with only negligible differences between the regular BF2 tanks. Why add more of the same without adding depth?

Great Wall, the only map worth playing for real joint arms combat, is possibly the shallowest map in the game. Every firefight on the wall is the same. You have a shootout in one part of the wall, you've had a shootout on all parts. Theres no variety like the varying alleys of Mashtuur. Oh, and armor still rules the ground.

Taraba Quarry was made in (I hope) 15 minutes. Flat, boring, completely linear. You managed to make a map that is as uninteresting as Zatar Wetlands but reduced the flow of the battle to a single dimension. You couldn't even add RIBs to the coastline?

Great new guns! But we can't use them anywhere except on the new maps which, as mentioned, completely devalue small arms combat. We understand that there are memory implications with adding new unlocks, but you know what? We'd like you to figure it out. Everybody wants the EU guns to be available. You obviously didn't think your growth strategy through when you decided to start adding content. Now you're just p1ssing people off.

Finally, in typical form, you've managed to completely marginalize almost half of the kits, depending on the map. There's really no relevant reason to play Medic, Support, or Assault on TQ or OSS. Great Wall is all about sniping and landmines, with some medic work thrown in. I love being forced to play a kit because the map requires it in order for me to be able to contribute. Every kit should be able to make a meaningful contribution on any map. This isn't news though, as anyone trying to play Support on Operation Clean Sweep can tell you.


Please print this out and circulate around the office. Hopefully it's not too late to fix AF before you completely step in it. Again. The playerbase has a strong pulse - why can't you seem to tap into it?

(I boldfaced the beginning of each line to increase readibility. I couldn't put line breaks in between the numbers so I needed a way to break up text)


I couldnt agree with you anymore than i do right now

[BravoTwoZeroUK]

Start realising they want your money and know the majority of the community are young and gullible and they couldn't really care about bringing out decent content.
Thats what I think anyways :D

[ACE4U]

From all the replies, the majority is dissappointed with EF and agree with the orginal post. I said from the begining that EA should have just made another expansion pack to include EFand AF together along with new armies, weapons, maps, vehicels, planes and helos. But, you all, you only paid $10 in American and less for the UK money, so I hope you was not expecting much. That is why I did not purchase it, because I want content.

But some people must enjoy playing EF, because there are servers playing them and they are populated, but how much longer :confused: .

I guess EA should have have at least one city map like Karkand(which is so darn popular) and maybe the response would have been better. All they have to do is see how many 24/7 servers are out there and which map they run and make a similar one to that one and people may be content.

[BravoTwoZeroUK]

From all the replies, the majority is dissappointed with EF and agree with the orginal post. I said from the begining that EA should have just made another expansion pack to include EFand AF together along with new armies, weapons, maps, vehicels, planes and helos. But, you all, you only paid $10 in American and less for the UK money, so I hope you was not expecting much. That is why I did not purchase it, because I want content.

But some people must enjoy playing EF, because there are servers playing them and they are populated, but how much longer :confused: .

I guess EA should have have at least one city map like Karkand(which is so darn popular) and maybe the response would have been better. All they have to do is see how many 24/7 servers are out there and which map they run and make a similar one to that one and people may be content.
But that's what I can't understand, paying a small amount of money for small changes in skins and 3maps? or paying nothing for a Mod and getting a whole lot more.

[Vundu]

Totally agree on all points.

[Wild_Wokman]

Great Recap!! They are all about the money.

[GLENNYBOY1]

Start realising they want your money and know the majority of the community are young and gullible and they couldn't really care about bringing out decent content.
Thats what I think anyways :D

Fair enough bravo,I for one like t.quarry and op.smokescreen,somebody already said they're like bf42 maps and thats why I like em,but the new weapons are pretty well useless(especially medic)as everyone is poncing around in tanks and that is what armoured fury is supposed to be about.

Infantry seems to be pretty much redundant in EF.

My beef with it is it was supposed to be more infantry orientated.

Good to see Sir Norman of Wisdom in ya sig btw...'MR GRIMSDALE' :D

[spitsfreeman]

to those of you whinning like little girls about how there's supposed to be infantry only maps.. **** OFF.
****ing off now because you asked so nicly..yeah right jogg on, besides what do you have aganst infantry based combat?? i dont think anyone would be knocking at your front door MAKING you play them would they?

it's about modern combat and i don't recall any recent wars that were all infantry based...
your point being??? (ITS meant to be fun, and stop me if im wronge a LOT of people belive infantry v infantry is)

not to mention that most of you played bf1942.. why on earth would you assume they make an infantry only map??
ermm because there is another coming out called armored fury (or may have just been wishfull thinking) besides think of berlin, starlingrade omaha beach...all good infantry based map YES with apc's and tanks but still very infantry based

Although in one way i agree with you, however the side i see it on is that SF should have been infantry & transport only.. since WHEN did a special forces team have a huuuge *** chopper??
thank you

Judging from how wrong EF got it,AF will have 2 tanks for each side and 12 planes circling like vultures :D lol yep i can just see it now 12 jets going round and around, lol you kno whow you can see the uav in the air when you die hahah it will be the same with jets hehehe

[jasondavidking1]

I bought EF for the tiger hap just to see what it was like and it sucked and i was sooooo disappointed that there wasnt any air to air missles oh i cried lol not rele but ill probably buy AF for the same reason and that is to check out the new vehicles... no doubt ill be posting in a different thread after i bought it expressing how **** the harrier and A10 is... bf vanilla is the best

[NUTZ_J98]

Very nice and right on the money. Wish I would have read it before i bought it.

[vbl]

Very nice and right on the money. Wish I would have read it before i bought it.

I wish I could have written it before I bought it. ;)

[I-Kodiak-I]

:) very very well said, I hope Dice/EA have a look at this and actaully think hard before releasing something like EF, one way is that on Great Wall if 1 army gets inside first they can just place AT mines at all entrances and camp up the broken wall parts, and the other army basically cant get in, so they are not all to well designed

[MouseNo4]

I bought EF over a month ago. I cannot get it to allow me to attach it to my game name. So have to have it set to a brand new one just in case i feel the need to play it. And guess what? I havent got a single minute on a ranked server so far. I havent really bothered because after playing EF in single player LAN, i know for a fact that it would suck majorly.

[kran1um]

Thats because you didn't use your 'Gamespy ID' . You don't have to switch names..But anyway, it is true the great wall is a total mess if one army has all the flags inside.

[« R²» HKS]

Sounds like my $10US was well saved. I knew my money was better spent on a 6 pack and ****ing it up the wall than giving EA/DICE anymore money. Not being able to fly the heli's in SF because of the severe pilot seat slideshow made the decision for me and them not fixing it and dropping all support was a no brainer in my decision not to buy EF even if it was only 10 bucks.

Now I wonder how many in here that didn't like it will go ahead and buy AF anyway and then come back and say it sucked? Or once bitten twice shy maybe?

[kran1um]

haha.. I'll buy it. I still like Smoke and Wall, but as with every map I think people like the fun factor and what is fun when other team is better and you 'can't get in' ..:D

[Wild_Wokman]

Why are they only adding three maps? They should have 15 to 20 with each of these packs.

[Hellboy660]

Agree totally, if EF was not meant to be armour intensive imagine AF is gonna be like.

Its prob going to have great infantry maps an bugger all Armor LOL:D :D

[pYura]

I agree OSS is good for pilots, TQ is just boring and the GreatWall well... sometimes can be fun. I expected a little more for $10...

[stilla-killa]

hell i might have played EF 3 or 4 times since i got it.

[NoToRiOuSmInUtE]

I'm glad I didn't buy EF. More armor focused maps is not what I am looking for. Probably the same reason I won't buy Armored force either. Don't get me wrong I'm good enoughf at bf2 to aviod most armor, and since I have SF ghost town quenches my thirst for a non-armor dominated map. Another thing I must note: I never step foot on a map with airplanes. Why? Because its just not fun to be on the ground with those flying around.

I said the same exact thing, I see many people totally agree with this.

[FM_Echo_One]

Sounds like I made a good choice by not buying EF...like BFV. :nod:

[Slacker317]

My complaint is that there was promise of new unlockable weapons, but those weapons turned out to only be playable using the EU team, not unlockable. There are 3 new maps, but those 3 new maps were not worthy of my $10. While I AM more of an infantry based player, I don't have the problem with it being so armor heavy, as I was warned before hand on that. However, I wouldn't have killed them to have made one of the maps with an area of the map where infantry battle is so crucial.

So many people forget that this is a First Person SHOOTER, not a First Person DRIVER or Flight Sim, as I've heard some say. But the great part of Battlefield is that it adds all of those elements together for an excellent game for everyone to enjoy. EF didn't deliver in that aspect.

And now that I DO own it, it's rare to find a non Euro server to play the maps that are populated. Playing with 200 ping is not an enjoyable experience. But on the upside, when you do find a server that plays both vanilla BF2 maps as well as EF maps [populated, with excellent ping], it's a good feeling.

[SciFiMan]

I hope y'all aren't trying to speak for me. I have no real problems with EF for the $10 I paid. I haven't learned all the maps tactically yet like I have the vanilla maps I've played for 6 months, but it will come. Playing EF maps I haven't noticed any problems with the kits I typically play (AT, Assault, Sniper). I guess I can see where Medic may be less useful on these maps though, but I don't use that kit much. Learn to adapt your tactics. Don't stand in the middle of a field shooting bullets at a tank. I only wish taking out higher value targets like tanks and attack copters earned me extra points.

[DrJambo]

Yes, I agree with the OP too. EF was a nice experience for all of 10 games or so, but now I'm back playing the best of the vanilla maps. AF will be a definite no go for me.

[stilla-killa]

i think i have played it a total of 3 times now

[th3 chr0nic]

yea its not what i was expecting. 2maps=tank and air domination and everyone else is screwed for a boring round. i think i was only able to actually use my gun to kill someone once in 6 games cause i was being attacked by tanks and bombs falling on my head for the entire rest of the time

[dyslexixboy]

Well I disagree I love it, I think tq and oss are execellent as I like piloting and armor, not too pushed on gw but then again my most hated maps in the game are karkand and mashtuur. My only complaint is there isent enough maps I feel like ea ripped us off.

[Marcus1981]

They are deeeelicious! That's what they are!

Rigid Inflatable Boat
lol now

They are deeeelicious! That's what they are!

Rigid Inflatable Boat
lol now all we need are some spare RIBs on the maps :D

By the way, what is all this BS about a new gun taking up too much memory??? Being a computer programmer myself (yes, games too) I can hardly imagine a large memory overhead for a weapon.

[wattsfox43]

You know.. Euro forces is OK. not great.. not good.. not horrible.. just OK.

I got sucked into BF2 and really enjoyed the stats and whatnot.. all the vehicles the kits.. I have loved BF2 since I started playing in november.. I enjoyed special forces and played that more than vanilla for a while.. (until I missed flying) Euro really didn't add that much more to the game for me.

then I found NAW (Nations at War (mod)) two days ago.

it is what BF2 SHOULD be.


screw stats.. once I hit the First Sgt. wall.. I lost my urge to strive toward the next rank like I did until now.

[teadaze]

I dont have Euro Force, but I can say it already sucks since I cant even buy it without owning XP. How pathetic is that? I can buy and play BF2 on w2k but I cant buy and play Euro Force? Where in that does it make sence?

[jamie321]

Thankfully i didnt buy EF , sounds like a pile of crap . i learnt my lesson after SF.

[*FMJ*Birdsht]

I hope y'all aren't trying to speak for me. I have no real problems with EF for the $10 I paid. I haven't learned all the maps tactically yet like I have the vanilla maps I've played for 6 months, but it will come. Playing EF maps I haven't noticed any problems with the kits I typically play (AT, Assault, Sniper). I guess I can see where Medic may be less useful on these maps though, but I don't use that kit much. Learn to adapt your tactics. Don't stand in the middle of a field shooting bullets at a tank. I only wish taking out higher value targets like tanks and attack copters earned me extra points.

ROFL you must be one of the 48 people in the USA playing it this morning. Yes thats right 48 total EF players in the states. Its a steaming pile of dog feces

[Mr. ADHD]

1) don't know how someone can complain about something they don't have or never tried.

2) I didn't buy EF because I was moderately disappointed with SF. So I figured I'd wait. (I'm so smart hahaha).

3) The warning signs were there from the beginning. They created a Mod/map editor, but didn't give the community the ability to download and play maps on the fly like they did in RED ALERT 2.

If not, then there is no reason why DICE/EA don't give us approved maps created by the community with each patch...example, patches or expansion packs should be bundled with 3-4 maps from EA with an additional 3-4 maps from the Community. This encourages map makers and proves who's smarter.

I DEMAND THEY OPEN SOURCE BF2. hehe.

[Brindled]

I DEMAND THEY OPEN SOURCE BF2. hehe. MAN!!!!! that is the best idea i've heard on this forum yet!! I SECOND THAT!!!!! hehe with the talent of a lot these coders/modders/skinners/mappers in the community, it would be easy to make bf2 stand out above all the rest.

i see they keep tweaking this site, the lines spaced between statements are being autodeleted. but hey, at least you can cut and paste within the text editor now. oh yeah, and i will be automerged... so nice of them to do that. =]

[Pirelli]

Thankfully i didnt buy EF , sounds like a pile of crap . i learnt my lesson after SF.

So what are you going to use your hard earned $10 for now?

[th3 chr0nic]

they cant do open source cause if anything became more popular than thier ranked servers they wouldnt be making money of the ridiculous cost to rent one

[Brindled]

i know chronic, it was more of a joke.

[*{82nd)*Commando]

I agree to the first post and most thereafter 110% !!! I feel like I gave my money to an EA charity group!!!!

I won't be so stupid with AF, thats for sure! Plus, if I want AF I already paid for it anyways!!!

[vets.Sarge]

Heh.. I took the money I was going to buy euro forces with and actually put it towards a gift for my mothers birthday.. A much better way to spend it ;)

[PUB|Space]

Strange really. I tend to agree with the post except I've never really enjoyed Great Wall that much, thought Smokescreen was the best of the bunch? That other one, gawd it's so boring.

I guess the plus points of EF is that you can rack up the play time in armour etc to help you get the expert badges and armour/flying medals?

As for the tanks and chopper? Does anyone else find the EF figher a pile of sh*t? Turns like a sack of spuds.

[enik]

I learned my lesson with Special Forces.

[Sir. Akland]

Dude wtf are you talking about I LOVE EF, I got it on the release date and Ive played it like once! OMFG

[Sung_Do_Chuck]

Dude wtf are you talking about I LOVE EF, I got it on the release date and Ive played it like once! OMFG
TRUE!
NO, DOUBBLE TRUE!

EF pwnz!!