2 versions of each map to remove jets?

[dreddwales]

Id love to buy Armoured Fury and have some epic tank battles ect but I feel Id be spending my money to become nothing but a target for the spamming flyboys. The jets in Bf2 are far too powerful and are untoutchable and a simple answer to this would be for EA/ Dice to produce 2 versions of each map. One with jets and another where the jets have been replaced by more hellies ect. This way clans and admins can choose what sort of game they want to promote on their server, even mix up no jet maps with jet maps.
I dont fully understand why EA/ Dice are catering for the flyboys, thay are the minoiry after all. In a 64 player map, 4 at the most will be flying but those 4 players dictate fully how the game plays out.
I fel that producing 2 versions of each map (one with jets one without) is by far the easiest way of keeping all customers happy, that is after all the most important thing for EA/Dice, as Im not gointo buy Armoured Fury with the jet problem in place .... howerver much I really would like too!!
Be good to hear what people think about the idea of 2 map versions, please dont make this into a love / hate jets thread, its all been said before, cheers!!

[Vash2051]

It's a dream that will never happen. But i would totally agree. Why not let the server owners choose to disable vehicles? As long as both sides lose the vehicle it doesnt screw up the balance.

[PBAsydney]

Stop the whining and shoot them down, the AA is perfectly capable of taking down another jet, and a fighter has never failed me.

[bombebomb]

Taking down a j-10 with aa is no easy task ( i know I fly the j-10) dodging a rocket with j10 is as simple as turning.

[Xlano]

i did not read any of that :)

[Toker]

It's a dream that will never happen. But i would totally agree. Why not let the server owners choose to disable vehicles? As long as both sides lose the vehicle it doesnt screw up the balance.


balance?? what balance this is EA for petes sake.

[|AFF|Soupyblister]

Its not even out and people are starting to whine.... LMAO.

[BravoTwoZeroUK]

Stop the whining and shoot them down, the AA is perfectly capable of taking down another jet, and a fighter has never failed me.
You retarded or just mis-informed?

[solodude23]

You retarded or just mis-informed?
From the looks of it, both. :p ;)

[Metal_Storm]

I dont think that EA/DICE are catering for the flyboys, sure they get some kills but its hardly like getting mas nuked non-stop or anything...
Grab a jeep, load it with c4 and drive to enemy airfield :D

[Joe1141]

Be good to hear what people think about the idea of 2 map versions...

I like the idea, but the problem needs to be addressed on all maps with jets. Why is Karkand so popular? No jets or helis.

[dreddwales]

Your right, the urban maps are alot more popular but EA dont seem to have picked up on this, perhaps their next expansion pack will be all urban maps and possibly alot more popular.
It would be great if server admins could set up the server to cater for the type of game they want to promote. Add more jets, remove them, remove armour, add more hellie .... this list is endless.
I also feel EA wont adress this point as in BF2142 there are no jets and so people like me will be more inclined to buy it !!

[PUB|Space]

I see what people are saying about the city maps being more popular but then they still have choppers at the very least flying about. I disagree with those of you that say you can't shoot down the flyboys either. I'd just say learn to aim better ;) For me taking away the planes and stuff just turns it into CS:S, it's dodging incomming bombs and chopper runs that add another bit of excitement to the game!

OH yeah not to mention ATing one out of the sky or the new sniper fave, shooting that b*stard pillot dead in his seat.

[Fakky]

Its not even out and people are starting to whine.... LMAO.

Well, the thing that worries me is that they release 6 preview pics, and five of them feature aerial vehicles.

Hmmm...

Methinks that the nickname of this booster pack will be "Aerial" Fury.

Would make sense, since Euro Force features maps that don't even take place in Europe.

Why can't they just release an official map that has two carriers (or two airbases) going at it like they had in BF1942. Let the flyboys have their fun while the rest of us focus on armor battles and infantry battles.

[Joe1141]

...Let the flyboys have their fun while the rest of us focus on armor battles and infantry battles.

The flyboys' fun isn't attacking other flyboys, it's attacking defenseless ground-pounders. With two carriers it'll just be an oval flypattern continuously bombing the people waiting on deck for another plane to spawn.

[cook2s]

I think it would be a good idea to allow the server admin to have the option to disable certain vehicles.

[NATESOR]

Your right, the urban maps are alot more popular but EA dont seem to have picked up on this, perhaps their next expansion pack will be all urban maps and possibly alot more popular.


Coming November 2005: BF2:SF :rolleyes:

[Daz]

Well at least one one map, there will be no Air to Air combat.

As the Jets dont have lock on missiles, and the choppers seem to just have small machine guns. Main thing you gotta look out for is bombs or tusungas.

Other than that it might be alright as long as those vehicles are the only versions in the road rage map.

The harrier and the chinese jet I dont know about yet.

[xisix]

Well, the thing that worries me is that they release 6 preview pics, and five of them feature aerial vehicles.


EXACTLY my thoughts.

Recent downloaded my 1st mod for BF2. [Operation Black Hawk Down]
Close city streets. Enough room for vehicles + helis.
As to whining about AA vs jets - how many of you have shot down jet with one ?

[normski7a]

Stop the whining and shoot them down, the AA is perfectly capable of taking down another jet, and a fighter has never failed me.

The AA is still under powered in this game. As an engineer in the Royal Air Force who works on fighter jets I know that one hit from an AA missile would bring any aircraft down. Yet in BF2 I can hit a jet with 2 AA missiles only for it to fly off while the SAM site reloads, get repairs, come back and strafe me with it's guns!!

We need AA that's capable of bringing down aircraft with one hit.
The same could also be said with the air-to-air missile, but that's for another thread.

[dreddwales]

Alot of flyboys say that the AA is capable of bringing down a jet but we all know its not very often, more range and better placed AA sites would be a help. Also the game is supposed to be fun and sitting in an AA site waiting to be blasted is not much fun, hence why very few players waste their time manning the AA.
Thanks for the mature replys all!

[Skwurl]

The AA is still under powered in this game. As an engineer in the Royal Air Force who works on fighter jets I know that one hit from an AA missile would bring any aircraft down.

ROTFL.

You mean...BF2...isn't...real??

And to think that all this time I thought real fighter jets could actually reload by doing runway strafes. Next thing you're going to tell me is that real people don't respawn after being launched 80 feet with C4.

[colony]

I like the idea, but the problem needs to be addressed on all maps with jets. Why is Karkand so popular? No jets or helis.

Why is wake island so popular? Your point is null.

The AA is still under powered in this game. As an engineer in the Royal Air Force who works on fighter jets I know that one hit from an AA missile would bring any aircraft down. Yet in BF2 I can hit a jet with 2 AA missiles only for it to fly off while the SAM site reloads, get repairs, come back and strafe me with it's guns!!

We need AA that's capable of bringing down aircraft with one hit.
The same could also be said with the air-to-air missile, but that's for another thread.

wow trying to reinforce real life circumstances in a game like BF2? well then lets see:

-3 anti tank rockets to destroy a tank/apc? Not real

-Being able to have a guy with nothing but a wrench to repair a tank that was hit by 2 anti tank rockets in a matter of 15 seconds? yea ok

-taking more than 3 hits from an M16/AK47 and being able to still run away? Not real

-parachuting off a 20 foot high ledge and magically pop open chute 5 feet from ground and float down taking no injury/death? Not real

BF2 is not real life, thats why it takes more than 1 AA missile to destroy them.

AA works just fine, its accuracy is 99% on any jet that isnt named J10....noobs and idiots just dont know how to use the emplacements/linebackers or the fighter jets to take down the opposing aircraft.

You know how many times I've seen an aircraft fly over the carrier and people still stand waiting for the jets and waiting to be gunned down or bombed by the jet that just flew overhead when they could have ran over to essex and helped defend the carrier?

[SciFiMan]

AA isn't too bad and the moment but it could improve. What we really only need is portable AA so we can set up a location where ever it's needed at the moment. Temporary (part of Engi or AT kit?) installation that maybe takes 5 seconds to set up and man. Then if you get killed that "AA site" goes away just like your kit.

That gives us ground troops some added muscle on air maps, and keeps the pilots alert as an AA site could pop up anywhere. Shouldn't effect balance either. The current AA sites are just poorly positioned in most cases and it's easy for a pilot to avoid or destroy.

[DesertFalcon]

Flyboys can easly be shot down by aa (exept for the j-10). I think that if the j-10 can easly avoid missile locks it should be a weaker bomber or have less health so that a veheicle may bring it down with machine guns. I like to fly i get bored of just infantry and armor besides half of armored fury is jets and your going to need hte jets to take out the helecopters.