Ps3

[Eternal-Souljah]

£550

http://www.play.com/Games/PlayStation3/STCS1/3-/1032615/Sony_Playstation_3_Console_With_60GB_HDD_3_Games/Product.html

[AFEDslayer]

cooooooooooooooooooooool... too much damn money for a console. I could buy me a 7900gtx+some for that!

[KoryPyro]

YAY xbox 360

[BigFinger]

cheeky ****ers ! that was 424 the other day....



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[Scinto]

cheeky ****ers ! that was 424 the other day....



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thats the console & 3 games

[KB-smoker]

is that a lot?

Its $500-600 in the states. That is only $50 more than a xbox 360 since you have to paid $50 to play games online[live]. PLus you get a blu-ray player. I mean i just spent over $500 for a video card for my PC that just about equals the gpu in the PS3. It crazy how much power they have in that thing.

Sony is really biulding a console for the hardcore gamer. Tons of features, most powerful, and STANDARD hdd. MS really messed up when they didn't go with a standard HDD.

[sarb]

PS3 looks totally awesome, but the price is WAAY too high. i dont see myself getting one until a few years in....plus, ver1 consoles are always buggy as hell, better to just wait anyways.

[KB-smoker]

PS3 looks totally awesome, but the price is WAAY too high. i dont see myself getting one until a few years in....plus, ver1 consoles are always buggy as hell, better to just wait anyways.
yeah that is a good plan if you are low on cash. By then the price will come way down and tons of great games will be out.

But i can't wait for Nov!

[alecs36]

is that a lot?

Its $500-600 in the states. That is only $50 more than a xbox 360 since you have to paid $50 to play games online[live]. PLus you get a blu-ray player. I mean i just spent over $500 for a video card for my PC that just about equals the gpu in the PS3. It crazy how much power they have in that thing.

Sony is really biulding a console for the hardcore gamer. Tons of features, most powerful, and STANDARD hdd. MS really messed up when they didn't go with a standard HDD.

I disagree. Give the customer a choice. What? Are you going to want the blue-ray player for blue-ray movies? And what if blue ray fails? Honestly it doesn't make any difference to me, if i want to watch movies in HD with my 360 i'll just buy the HD-dvd add on for it. Choice. I thought MS messed up with putting out 2 different versions of the system, owait sony you did that to :rolleyes:

http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/games/playstation_3/ps3_price/281x211.jpg

[sarb]

yeah that is a good plan if you are low on cash. By then the price will come way down and tons of great games will be out.

But i can't wait for Nov!
MGS4 and RE5 are the main reasons i want a PS3.

but yes november will be good...twilight princess for me :D

[DaRkNeSs]

MGS4 sucks

[KB-smoker]

I disagree. Give the customer a choice. What? Are you going to want the blue-ray player for blue-ray movies? And what if blue ray fails? Honestly it doesn't make any difference to me, if i want to watch movies in HD with my 360 i'll just buy the HD-dvd add on for it. Choice. I thought MS messed up with putting out 2 different versions of the system, owait sony you did that to :rolleyes:

http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/games/playstation_3/ps3_price/281x211.jpg
Oh, maybe you didn't know but ALL PS3 games are using blu-ray disc.

here is what the devs say about blu-ray

Squaresoft

Toriyama and Versus producer Shinji Hashimoto defended the decision to release FFXIII on the PS3. According to Hashimoto, the development staff determined that one DVD would not be enough for the type of visual expression they were attempting to make. Toriyama noted that, regarding visual expression, the PS3's shader abilities are a big factor.

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/710/710761p1.html

Ubisoft

OPM: How's your experience with the storage media of the PS3, the HDD and the BluRay disc? And do you have any comparable experience with HD-DVD technology?

M.M.: Our focus is 100% BluRay, so I cannot compare with HD-DVD. I can only say that the new BluRay disc format is truly awesome. The capacity is immense, and the Data Transfer Rate is way beyond what we are used to. And that's really important, because Data Streaming (OPMED: where the console constantly loads new data from disc) is truly the only way to push next-gen games to the limit. The Playstation 3 HDD is something that we have so far given less attention to, because it hasn't been certain all that long yet that it will be standard on every console. Decreasing load-times by copying a part of the game to the HDD is one possibility, though it doesn't matter all that much for a streaming game like ours. But there are tons of other applications, such as the possibility to as it were record your whole game, to be able to watch a replay of it later on. We intend to use the HD optimally, but how, I can't tell yet currently.


"The Darkness" developer:

"The 360 is a fantastic machine. I really really like it. The only thing, you know, that is going to cause trouble is the amount of storage space available on a DVD... thats really a problem."

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=446554


Team Ninja

"The infamous Team Ninja front man has a thing or two to say about Microsoft's decision to assign standard DVD format to the Xbox 360. Limiting his development team to a measly 9GB does not sit well with Itagaki, especially when Team Ninja is looking to include any number of (MS-coveted) HD cut scenes. It's ironic that Microsoft has been the most outspoken about the "HD era", but is the least prepared for it… However, don't be surprised to see an Xbox 360.1 springing up in a year or two, complete with HD-DVD drive."
Last year, interview with Famitisu magainze, Itagaki explained his frustration with MS going with standard DVD format instead of going with HD-DVD. Since Japaneese developers love working on games in CG, now Itagaki san will face even more great challenge with xbox 360, or he can just switch over.

http://www.joystiq.com/2005/07/05/itagaki-sounds-off-on-xbox-360-limitations/

"The developer of "Enchant Arms,"

"The developer of "Enchant Arms," an upcoming role-playing game in Japan, told Gamespot.com last year it was hoping to be able to fit the game on two discs, but admitted "that's even looking grim." Any old school gamer can tell you that switching discs while playing is not a fun experience."
http://money.cnn.com/2006/01/05/commentary/game_over/column_gamin
g/index.htm

Vivendi Universal

"The technical requirement for game development today demands more advanced optical-disc technologies," said Michael Heilmann, chief technology officer for Vivendi Universal.
"Blu-ray offers the capacity, performance and high-speed internet connectivity to take us into the future of gaming."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4153813.stm

EA

"EA, a leading games developer and publisher, added that the delivery of high-definition games of the future was vital and Blu-ray had the capacity, functionality and interactivity needed for the kinds of projects it was planning."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4153813.stm

F1 06 developpers

Quote:
Q: Will the graphics improve from F1 05?

A: We try hard every year to improve where neccessary, but as I said before, the PS2 is running on it’s limits with the 22 cars. Graphically it is similar to F105, although we believe that the driving experience is much more rewarding with the new kerbing and the new phyiscs. The PS3, though, is something else! That machine is a Beast! We are adding an enormous amount of graphic detail to absolutely everything. To give you some idea about detail levels, one car in the PS3 game takes up the same amount of memory as all 22 cars in the PS2 version!! That’s a 22 fold increase! You can damage the sidepods on the PS3 cars and see in side the car and it has radiators and exhaust pipes and everything. It’s awesome. Gameplay-wise the PS3 also allows us to use much more accuarate collision models. In a PS2, the car has an invisible ”box” that detects collisions all the way around the car, but in the PS3, there is no single box – you can get the wheels interlocked with the other cars.

http://www.f1gamers.com/f1/apanel/view_articles.php?id=130&pa
ge=4


Ninja theory

Well i want to ask something if i may.Do you guys use/plan to use the extra space the blu-ray provides,for the benefit of the game,or its just to early for that yet?

Quote:Originally Posted by Arfi-Gorgona-O
Guys,someone to answer my question too?At least tell me if you cant so i wont ask again,even a no comment is good enough for me

Quote:Originally Posted by Ninja Mikey
[NT-DEV] Chief Technology Ninja

Sorry Arfi - let's see if we can't get you a decent answer....

"Yes!"

There you go

Seriously though the game is gonna need a whole lot of data for all the levels and characters that we are planning. At Sony's presentation on Monday last week they had a slide showing that the storage medium for a console is usually 100 times the size of the consoles main RAM - the point being that a DVD wouldn't be able to hold enough data for a AAA quality game. So yes, we'll definitely be needing the space that's available on the BD!

http://www.ninjatheory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111&page=3

Mar Rein: Unreal Engine 3

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=125925

Unreal Tournament was 6GB compressed. Next Generation games are going to be 20GB plus, and how we're going to fit them on DVD9's I don't know, they'll probably be a few of them. On the PS3, we're going to be using the majority of the space on those Blu-ray disks. So, online isn't really the best option in some instances.Downloading 30Gb isn't really feasible. What online could be, is the back-channel to get additional content. Patches and things like that. I think what Valve has done is great. It'll be interesting to see where marketing fits in. Now they're going with EA in the future, the biggest publisher of all. You can't do one without the other, otherwise no-one knows about your game. Unless you have the huge marketing budgets that major retailers have when launching your game, so I think there's still a very important role for retailers.

For even more ownage here is an article about blu ray movies that already require and use 50gb discs

http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/storage/story/0,10801

Oh about MS giving the consumer the choice. What about the dev who HAVE to code their game like the HDD isn't there? That is a split user-based. PS3 does not have to worry about that b/c EVERY PS3 will have a HDD in the system.

NEXT!

[alecs36]

It wasn't not known that the PS3's blue ray disks can hold more, and considering you took all that effort for no reason, mainly because i wasn't even talking about it, is kind of sad. But if you're on the subject of wich is better, how much will the 'better' blue-ray disks cost? $80? If it does end up that high, how many people will go ps3? I'll tell you, about none. With a $600 price tag for the ps3 itself (the prem), how can you justify an $80 game, trying to sell it? The general gamer just won't shell out that much for a playstation 3. I've bought 3 games on my 360, wich brings my cost up to $580. If i was trying to do the same on the ps3, i'd have a cost of (assuming the games are $80) $920. Well, you may say '' but we don't know if they're going to be $80 or not '' Ok, so $60. $780. Still, much more than the 360. The ps3 will alwase cost more, and that's why i believe if a customer looks at the 360 and Wii's pricing, they won't move to the ps3. Oh, and the whole '' $50 more '' was complete BS, if you even looked at the ratio to the amount of xbox's sold and live subscriptions you'd know that not everyone had live, maybe not even half. So not everyone is going to subscribe. You also don't factor the $600 'prem' ps3. It's $100-200 more for a ps3. Period.

Cell processing, hard to develop for? Maybe. A developer you may know named John Carmack has said publicly that

the Xbox 360 has the best architecture and development tools so the game devs can do their jobs better. In contrast he thinks the PS3 will be harder to develop for with inital games being disappointing as a result

Heres a video of him exlplaining it:

http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGririiirr05121649

I want a games machine. Not a ps3 with a blue ray drive they forced down my throat. And in november, if i want a ps3, i want some of the GOOD games! Heavenly sword isn't making launch, MGS4 isn't making launch, killzone 2 isn't making launch, UT 2007 isn't making launch. Resistance fall of man really isn't anything special, i remember seeing an interview and they were asked (the developers) what made this game stand out from the rest, and he paused to think for a second before anwering, rofl. All i can honestly say the ps3 has going for it is Warhawk and assasins creed (wich is said to be comming out on the 360 aswell). Oh, and eight days was ALL CG. More cg from sony, yay! Wheres killzone? rofl.

Atleast i know with the 360 there is plenty of 3rd party support and many games. Gears of war, Halo 3, mass effect, GTA 4, F.e.a.r., MotoGP 06, too human, chromehounds, table tennis, test drive unlimited, lost planet, ninety-nine nights, Fable 2, Forza 2, saint's row, Prey, huxley, shadowrun, those of wich are just some of the most anticapated games on the 360, that you won't find on the ps3. These of wich have nothing to do with the games that LAUNCHED with the 360, GRAW, Cod2, kameo, Oblivion released a little after, PGR3, need for speed most wanted, perfect dark zero, hitman released a little after, the outfit, bf2: mc, full auto, burnout.. there are just so many more great games on the 360 than the ps3. Mainly because many PC developers and other 3rd party developers are finding it easy to develop for the 360, and porting seems to be easy aswell.

The ps3 is a media machine. Not a 'hardcore' system. It forces you blue-ray and is $100-200 more in cost, even more if the blue-ray disks do end up raising the cost (since they are more).

http://forum.teamxbox.com/image.php?u=93540&dateline=1147493060

And do you think blue-ray seems to be making any real difference right now in game storage?

So far 360 games are looking just as good or better..

Gears of war:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/706/706377/e3-2006-new-gears-of-war-screens-20060509031020197.jpg

Resistance:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/711/711080/resistance-fall-of-man-20060602045839836.jpg

Halo 3:

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/img_3585250.html

MGS4:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/706/706752/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots--20060509075625742.jpg

Oh, and if you've seen the halo 3 announcement trailer, all of what's in that trailer is running real-time and your character could walk over anywhere you saw. (Bungie has said this in there new video 'behind the scenes' watch it, it's great) It's that vast, and they still fit it on an '' OLD DVD '' disk with an amazing graphics engine, plenty of characters, objects, and they're still adding more.

Heres a pic of what i'm talking about:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/706/706251/halo-3-20060509050935255.jpg

Oh man poor us with our old dvd players...

Overall:

The xbox360 delivers everything the ps3 can, high definition, amazing graphics, vast open areas, a variety of games (well, nvm the ps3 doesn't deliver that), downloadable content, all for $100-200 less.

[Quack!]

You're never going to agree with each other. I say quit while you're ahead.

[alecs36]

:)

http://ps3start.ytmnd.com/

http://www.gameklip.com/v/719/

http://www.wii60.com/uploads/581.jpg

[KB-smoker]

It wasn't not known that the PS3's blue ray disks can hold more, and considering you took all that effort for no reason, mainly because i wasn't even talking about it, is kind of sad. But if you're on the subject of wich is better, how much will the 'better' blue-ray disks cost? $80? If it does end up that high, how many people will go ps3? I'll tell you, about none. With a $600 price tag for the ps3 itself (the prem), how can you justify an $80 game, trying to sell it? The general gamer just won't shell out that much for a playstation 3. I've bought 3 games on my 360, wich brings my cost up to $580. If i was trying to do the same on the ps3, i'd have a cost of (assuming the games are $80) $920. Well, you may say '' but we don't know if they're going to be $80 or not '' Ok, so $60. $780. Still, much more than the 360. The ps3 will alwase cost more, and that's why i believe if a customer looks at the 360 and Wii's pricing, they won't move to the ps3. Oh, and the whole '' $50 more '' was complete BS, if you even looked at the ratio to the amount of xbox's sold and live subscriptions you'd know that not everyone had live, maybe not even half. So not everyone is going to subscribe. You also don't factor the $600 'prem' ps3. It's $100-200 more for a ps3. Period.

Cell processing, hard to develop for? Maybe. A developer you may know named John Carmack has said publicly that



Heres a video of him exlplaining it:

http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGririiirr05121649

I want a games machine. Not a ps3 with a blue ray drive they forced down my throat. And in november, if i want a ps3, i want some of the GOOD games! Heavenly sword isn't making launch, MGS4 isn't making launch, killzone 2 isn't making launch, UT 2007 isn't making launch. Resistance fall of man really isn't anything special, i remember seeing an interview and they were asked (the developers) what made this game stand out from the rest, and he paused to think for a second before anwering, rofl. All i can honestly say the ps3 has going for it is Warhawk and assasins creed (wich is said to be comming out on the 360 aswell). Oh, and eight days was ALL CG. More cg from sony, yay! Wheres killzone? rofl.

Atleast i know with the 360 there is plenty of 3rd party support and many games. Gears of war, Halo 3, mass effect, GTA 4, F.e.a.r., MotoGP 06, too human, chromehounds, table tennis, test drive unlimited, lost planet, ninety-nine nights, Fable 2, Forza 2, saint's row, Prey, huxley, shadowrun, those of wich are just some of the most anticapated games on the 360, that you won't find on the ps3. These of wich have nothing to do with the games that LAUNCHED with the 360, GRAW, Cod2, kameo, Oblivion released a little after, PGR3, need for speed most wanted, perfect dark zero, hitman released a little after, the outfit, bf2: mc, full auto, burnout.. there are just so many more great games on the 360 than the ps3. Mainly because many PC developers and other 3rd party developers are finding it easy to develop for the 360, and porting seems to be easy aswell.

The ps3 is a media machine. Not a 'hardcore' system. It forces you blue-ray and is $100-200 more in cost, even more if the blue-ray disks do end up raising the cost (since they are more).

http://forum.teamxbox.com/image.php?u=93540&dateline=1147493060

And do you think blue-ray seems to be making any real difference right now in game storage?

So far 360 games are looking just as good or better..

Gears of war:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/706/706377/e3-2006-new-gears-of-war-screens-20060509031020197.jpg

Resistance:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/711/711080/resistance-fall-of-man-20060602045839836.jpg

Halo 3:

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/img_3585250.html

MGS4:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/706/706752/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots--20060509075625742.jpg

Oh, and if you've seen the halo 3 announcement trailer, all of what's in that trailer is running real-time and your character could walk over anywhere you saw. (Bungie has said this in there new video 'behind the scenes' watch it, it's great) It's that vast, and they still fit it on an '' OLD DVD '' disk with an amazing graphics engine, plenty of characters, objects, and they're still adding more.

Heres a pic of what i'm talking about:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/706/706251/halo-3-20060509050935255.jpg

Oh man poor us with our old dvd players...

Overall:

The xbox360 delivers everything the ps3 can, high definition, amazing graphics, vast open areas, a variety of games (well, nvm the ps3 doesn't deliver that), downloadable content, all for $100-200 less.Wow 80 a game, really? So maybe you should go look at eb games site. They have the price of games already and you can preorder.

Also i wasn't talking about everyone with live. I was talking about myself. I plan on getting the $600 PS3. That comes with a 60GB hdd, FREE ONLINE GAMING, wi-fi, hdmi, and blu-ray,

To get an xbox 360 with that it would cost:
$400 xbox 360 with 20gb hdd
$100 wifi adapter
$50 of live to play games online.
$550 total and if you want hd movies that will cost you $100-200 more. So i guess if you don't factor in value the xbox 360 is the better deal. Also if you like to play online games for the life of the console thats $50 a year for 4 years+ =$200 more.

So i can't see how the xbox 360 is a good deal at that price. For everything you get in a PS3 it would cost $850-$950 to equal that on th exbox 360 over its life.

Now about the games. Most of the great xbox 360 games are also on PC, likr you said its easy to port. I have a great PC so why would i want to play them on a console? The rest are mostly shooters which i hate playing with an controller. PS3 has tons of games that are only on that system. That is the reason i'm buying it.

I have never once heard a dev say the xbox 360 is more powerful than the PS3. Every dev that comminted on it has said the PS3 is the more powerful system. Even John Carmack, who you quoted, said the PS3 is 20% more powerful than the xbox 360.

So if you look at the value you are getting with the PS3 compared to the xbox 360 over the next 4-5 years. PS3 is just the better deal for me. :cool:

[alecs36]

EB games can also be wrong. Good thing i factored in $60 though. Hmm, i have a 360 and don't need a wifi adapter. $50, so adding that makes it $50-150? But this is of course if you play online. I mean really, i think the price point for xbox live really is better because it's proven itself. From what i've heard ps2's online blew, and you had to create a new friends list / name and everything for each game? If that's the same for ps3, then i'll happily pay $50 for a year (only around $4 a month). It has everything i need with downloadable content. The ps3 is in reality $100-200 more. No matter wich way you slice or dice it, the customer will go out to the store and see a $300 core 360 or $400 prem 360, versus a $500 'core' Ps3, or a $600 'prem' Ps3. I was comparing 360/ps3, games wise.. I never said the 360 WAS more powerfull than the ps3... It isn't.

[KB-smoker]

EB games can also be wrong. Good thing i factored in $60 though. Hmm, i have a 360 and don't need a wifi adapter. $50, so adding that makes it $50-150? But this is of course if you play online. I mean really, i think the price point for xbox live really is better because it's proven itself. From what i've heard ps2's online blew, and you had to create a new friends list / name and everything for each game? If that's the same for ps3, then i'll happily pay $50 for a year (only around $4 a month). It has everything i need with downloadable content. The ps3 is in reality $100-200 more. No matter wich way you slice or dice it, the customer will go out to the store and see a $300 core 360 or $400 prem 360, versus a $500 'core' Ps3, or a $600 'prem' Ps3. I was comparing 360/ps3, games wise.. I never said the 360 WAS more powerfull than the ps3... It isn't.
Again i was talking about myself, not the "customer". Also the PS3 does not have online service like the PS2. The PS2 service was never planned like the PS3 is.

i just guess we will have to agree to disagree like Quack! said.


So i'm out! peace and happy gaming. :)

[Soccerplaya07]

The xbox360 delivers everything the ps3 can, high definition, amazing graphics, vast open areas, a variety of games (well, nvm the 360 doesn't deliver that), downloadable content, all for $100-200 less.

fixed.

I wont be buying either of them. But playstation will always have more, better games than xbox. all xbox has is the halo series but it sucks anyway. Your right about the games not making launch, but overall PS3 will eventually have more and better games than the 360. I say this judging by how the games on the PS2 were versus the original Xbox. I could be wrong, but who knows, all we can do it wait.

but even so...

Nintendo Wii FTW!

[alecs36]

Well, saying the ps3 has more games is just stupid looking at the list i've already thrown out. Unless you're counting japanese rpg. It'll have a ton of those.

[KoryPyro]

It wasn't not known that the PS3's blue ray disks can hold more, and considering you took all that effort for no reason, mainly because i wasn't even talking about it, is kind of sad. But if you're on the subject of wich is better, how much will the 'better' blue-ray disks cost? $80? If it does end up that high, how many people will go ps3? I'll tell you, about none. With a $600 price tag for the ps3 itself (the prem), how can you justify an $80 game, trying to sell it? The general gamer just won't shell out that much for a playstation 3. I've bought 3 games on my 360, wich brings my cost up to $580. If i was trying to do the same on the ps3, i'd have a cost of (assuming the games are $80) $920. Well, you may say '' but we don't know if they're going to be $80 or not '' Ok, so $60. $780. Still, much more than the 360. The ps3 will alwase cost more, and that's why i believe if a customer looks at the 360 and Wii's pricing, they won't move to the ps3. Oh, and the whole '' $50 more '' was complete BS, if you even looked at the ratio to the amount of xbox's sold and live subscriptions you'd know that not everyone had live, maybe not even half. So not everyone is going to subscribe. You also don't factor the $600 'prem' ps3. It's $100-200 more for a ps3. Period.

Cell processing, hard to develop for? Maybe. A developer you may know named John Carmack has said publicly that



Heres a video of him exlplaining it:

http://www.xbox365.com/news.cgi?id=GGririiirr05121649

I want a games machine. Not a ps3 with a blue ray drive they forced down my throat. And in november, if i want a ps3, i want some of the GOOD games! Heavenly sword isn't making launch, MGS4 isn't making launch, killzone 2 isn't making launch, UT 2007 isn't making launch. Resistance fall of man really isn't anything special, i remember seeing an interview and they were asked (the developers) what made this game stand out from the rest, and he paused to think for a second before anwering, rofl. All i can honestly say the ps3 has going for it is Warhawk and assasins creed (wich is said to be comming out on the 360 aswell). Oh, and eight days was ALL CG. More cg from sony, yay! Wheres killzone? rofl.

Atleast i know with the 360 there is plenty of 3rd party support and many games. Gears of war, Halo 3, mass effect, GTA 4, F.e.a.r., MotoGP 06, too human, chromehounds, table tennis, test drive unlimited, lost planet, ninety-nine nights, Fable 2, Forza 2, saint's row, Prey, huxley, shadowrun, those of wich are just some of the most anticapated games on the 360, that you won't find on the ps3. These of wich have nothing to do with the games that LAUNCHED with the 360, GRAW, Cod2, kameo, Oblivion released a little after, PGR3, need for speed most wanted, perfect dark zero, hitman released a little after, the outfit, bf2: mc, full auto, burnout.. there are just so many more great games on the 360 than the ps3. Mainly because many PC developers and other 3rd party developers are finding it easy to develop for the 360, and porting seems to be easy aswell.

The ps3 is a media machine. Not a 'hardcore' system. It forces you blue-ray and is $100-200 more in cost, even more if the blue-ray disks do end up raising the cost (since they are more).

http://forum.teamxbox.com/image.php?u=93540&dateline=1147493060

And do you think blue-ray seems to be making any real difference right now in game storage?

So far 360 games are looking just as good or better..

Gears of war:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/706/706377/e3-2006-new-gears-of-war-screens-20060509031020197.jpg

Resistance:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/711/711080/resistance-fall-of-man-20060602045839836.jpg

Halo 3:

http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/734/734817/img_3585250.html

MGS4:

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/706/706752/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots--20060509075625742.jpg

Oh, and if you've seen the halo 3 announcement trailer, all of what's in that trailer is running real-time and your character could walk over anywhere you saw. (Bungie has said this in there new video 'behind the scenes' watch it, it's great) It's that vast, and they still fit it on an '' OLD DVD '' disk with an amazing graphics engine, plenty of characters, objects, and they're still adding more.

Heres a pic of what i'm talking about:

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/706/706251/halo-3-20060509050935255.jpg

Oh man poor us with our old dvd players...

Overall:

The xbox360 delivers everything the ps3 can, high definition, amazing graphics, vast open areas, a variety of games (well, nvm the ps3 doesn't deliver that), downloadable content, all for $100-200 less.



Dude you are my hero im defiently a big 360 fan and i have to say Ps3 is just not going to compare reiveiwers say they don't see a big difference in the two systems

[i made you]

The xbox360 delivers everything the ps3 can, high definition, amazing graphics, vast open areas, a variety of games (well, nvm the ps3 doesn't deliver that), downloadable content, all for $100-200 less.
The X360's gpu is more powerful than the PS3's as well. Don't forget it will be a lot more mod-able than the PS3 since the firmware has already been cracked. I'm looking forward to seeing console sales one year from now. In conclusion, Sony has redefined "you just f***ed yourself."

[DaRkNeSs]

Let me just say this PS3 sucks *** becuase I do not want to support those asian scum that make it. ( no offense to asians, talking about the asians that are just makeing PS3.)

[wootoow]

Let me just say this PS3 sucks *** becuase I do not want to support those asian scum that make it. ( no offense to asians, talking about the asians that are just makeing PS3.)

You make me sick. The tbf2 forums have no room for racists so GTFO!!

[KB-smoker]

Let me just say this PS3 sucks *** becuase I do not want to support those asian scum that make it. ( no offense to asians, talking about the asians that are just makeing PS3.)
:rolleyes: /\/\This is the stereotypical xbox live gamer.

[alecs36]

:rolleyes: /\/\This is the stereotypical xbox live gamer.

Ironic, lol. :)

[KB-smoker]

it's true (http://internetgames.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.imjosh.com/%3Fp=244)

[alecs36]

You've had some pretty bad xbox live games then..

[BigFinger]

Let me just say this PS3 sucks *** becuase I do not want to support those asian scum that make it. ( no offense to asians, talking about the asians that are just makeing PS3.)

LOL so you would rather buy a console made by a 4 eyed manipulative geek...

i tell you what .. here is a radical idea WAIT TILL ITS OUT AND YOUVE PLAYED ON IT ! before you getting all klan on its ***...

youre a muppet !

also purely to bait the 360 fanboiz....
the ps3 outputs @ 1080P (yes thats a P there your 360 cant approach that even if it took a run) and is free to play online and has wifi built in and 2xwireless pads proper HDMI cable to cope with the 1080P (oops did i mention thats its 1080P again ?) and its got a 60gig drive...

start to see why its a bit more expensive now do you ? ill admit bluray is a risk but people thought cd's wouldnt catch on didnt they.

either way its competition for the 360 and that can only benefit us the consumer...

unchecked the 360's reign woulg have gone the way of that creeping cancer that is gamespy....

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[DaRkNeSs]

Man oh man I loved getting flamed!

But serious I wasn't being racist, I was just saying that the asians that make ps3 suck becuase they made a crap console when the made ps2. I perdict that they will do it again. I'm not being racist in any way, shape, or form. Just saying that I don't like the people making ps3.

Now if I said that I'm not buying ps3 becuse I don't want to support those asian scum. (Then that would be racist)

:rolleyes: /\/\This is the stereotypical xbox live gamer.

Hmm, yes, it is but, I really don't talk that much on xbox live. I don't like to rub stuff in people faces I just know I owned them fair and square that is if I kill em. If they kill me or beat me i'm not the type that gets all ****ed and throws the controller at the wall lol. Or grawl or anything I just take a deep breath and own them back next time.

Nice try though we arn't all like that =)

But I don't know what the big deal is any ways people talk trash on the PC online also and on the ps2 online as well. I don't know why xbox live seems so bad it isn't.


also purely to bait the 360 fanboiz....
the ps3 outputs @ 1080P (yes thats a P there your 360 cant approach that even if it took a run) and is free to play online and has wifi built in and 2xwireless pads proper HDMI cable to cope with the 1080P (oops did i mention thats its 1080P again ?) and its got a 60gig drive...
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To you I have to say this. "clears throat"

I never said 360 was better graphics wize I know ps3 will probably own the 360 in that catagory. I was talking about gameplay wize almost every single game I played for the ps2 blowed the only game I liked was Socom.

Look the ps3 is *OK* not the best to me but its an *OK* system the only reason I will probably buy ps3 for is for assasins creed and any Socom games they make for it thats it. All the other games seem kiddy to me like for instance, I know not all the games are like this for the ps2 but most of them. Kingdom hearts what the hell is that? there is also this one sponge bob game where you ride around in a crabby patty ..... I just hope ps3 is not like that. I know xbox had some kiddy games to but ps2 had alot more. lol

after all that i'm sorry for any bad grammer was typeing fast.

[alecs36]

Lol..

like anyone here has a tv that can support 1080P..

Haha.

[DaRkNeSs]

Lol..

like anyone here has a tv that can support 1080P..

Haha.

thats what I'm saying

[BigFinger]

Lol..

like anyone here has a tv that can support 1080P..

Haha.
like many things you have to look to the future... 1080P is available now for those that can afford it and give it a couple of years it will be all over the place(which is about the time that a PS3 will have dropped into a sensible price bracket for most of us ;))

once you get to a decent screen size 40"+ these things start to matter..



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[alkajazz]

too bad teh 11th day of the 17th month doesnt exsist!

[BigFinger]

too bad teh 11th day of the 17th month doesnt exsist!

Lol... why do you americans find it so hard to understand that dates are supposed to be arranged in order of size Day/Month/Year...

your way sux teh cok....

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[alecs36]

like many things you have to look to the future... 1080P is available now for those that can afford it and give it a couple of years it will be all over the place(which is about the time that a PS3 will have dropped into a sensible price bracket for most of us ;))

once you get to a decent screen size 40"+ these things start to matter..

You should say.. '' look into the distant future ''

[coolbho3000]

I'd pay $599 to flip over a giant enemy crab anyday.

[alecs36]

rofl... and the next gen features such as '' real time, weapon switch ''

[BigFinger]

You should say.. '' look into the distant future ''

plenty of 1080P lcd's out there at the moment if you have the cash...rember about 2 years ago ? plasma/lcd monitors were expensive ... not anymore.

if you young uns start saving now youll be able to pick one up when u leave home ;)

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[[3MD]A|Pvt.iTrek]

great ,i wouldnt waste my mney on a ps3.

[alecs36]

plenty of 1080P lcd's out there at the moment if you have the cash...rember about 2 years ago ? plasma/lcd monitors were expensive ... not anymore.

if you young uns start saving now youll be able to pick one up when u leave home ;)

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Well, look at me, i'm not using the right logic.

Of course 1080P will be a plus for those who are actually buying the ps3..

I mean, they're actually buying the ps3.. lol.