Su-47 Berkut

[margav]

The prototype 5th gen jet fighter from my motherland Russia, enjoy :


http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Guest/222/


on min 3 you can see him going on minimal speed.. nasty

[SHFT_nismo]

them wings r fugly

[margav]

them wings r fugly


well, generally the weapons are not there for the liking of the enemy are they?

[SHFT_nismo]

well, generally the weapons are not there for the liking of the enemy are they?

nah, but im just stating the obvious

[margav]

nah, but im just stating the obvious


the wings like that provide super manouvrability on supersonic flight and decrease the chance of a stall dramatically

shows how americans are scared by it ...


http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001395.html

Su-37 Super Flanker Promotional Video!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GaUxabw562s

[WildAce]

the Su-47 looks cooler but the Su-37 is much more fun to watch in flight...

http://www.zippyvideos.com/8738229733527566/su_37_terminator/

http://www.buzzhumor.com/videos/1932/Russian_Jet_Fighter

[|D|-Max]

the wings like that provide super manouvrability on supersonic flight and decrease the chance of a stall dramatically

shows how americans are scared by it ...


http://www.defensetech.org/archives/001395.html

Su-37 Super Flanker Promotional Video!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GaUxabw562s

looks like the U.S is going to have some competition:yay: :yay: :evil:

[WildAce]

looks like the U.S is going to have some competition:yay: :yay: :evil:


cant shoot what you cant see :)

[margav]

cant shoot what you cant see :)



The su-47 is stealth with air to air homing missiles ranging to 400km :cool: :rolleyes:

[WildAce]

i doubt its stealth is as good

[Rezjah]

The su-47 is stealth with air to air homing missiles ranging to 400km :cool: :rolleyes:

lol, no that is wrong :laugh:

The N011M radar on the Su-47 can track targets at a similar range to the APG-70 (the F-15's radar). The Su-47 can search for targets at 400KM away ( like AWACs ).

So the Su-47 can see targets at 400km but it can't engage them, and when it moves into engagement range, the F-15 would of picked it up on it's radar and then it would just be a test of skill.

But remember, the F-22 is a step above the F-15 so the F-22 will perform better.

With the stealth thing, that doesn't mean your plane is completely invisible to radar, it just means you have a very small radar signature, and since the Su-47 is bigger than the F-22, then the Su-47 would have a bit of a larger radar signature, unless the russians have better stealth technology, which I highly doubt.

[margav]

I said not the plane can reach, but the rocket has a 400 km range

read the links below :p :cool: :rolleyes:

The rocket is 2 step called КС-172 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novator_KS-172_AAM-L) flying at supersonic speed equiped with a combined heatseeker, but often to use them you would need outside pointning.


About Stealth, we use different techlology (http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/s37.htm) called RAM coating for radar stealth and the weapon bays are internal. RAM stands for Radar Absorbing Material

[Rezjah]

I said not the plane can reach, but the rocket has a 400 km range

read the links below :p :cool: :rolleyes:

The rocket is 2 step called КС-172 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novator_KS-172_AAM-L) flying at supersonic speed equiped with a combined heatseeker, but often to use them you would need outside pointning.


Interesting rocket, would of been very deadly if the US didn't have the F-22 though. The rocket itself is not manueverable enough to take out small aircraft such as fighters or high speed bombers, but the bigger more slower aircraft, such as AWACs and KC-135s are vulnerable, the rocket was designed to take out those type of aircraft.

The good thing is though, the F-22 has also been designed for missile interception, which means the F-22 will be able to shoot down those missiles before they reach their target.

The KC-172 rocket is very large and very heavy, so most likely the russians would have those Su-47s equiped specificaly with those rockets, with other standard Su-47s in escort of them.

So when those missiles are intercepted and destroyed, the AWACs will know where the enemey aircraft are at, and the F-22s would most likely use their supercruise to reach the enemy undetected and effectively engage and destroy the targets.

Tactics goes a long way my friend ;)


About Stealth, we use different techlology (http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/s37.htm) called RAM coating for radar stealth and the weapon bays are internal. RAM stands for Radar Absorbing Material

Yes the US use RAM materials as well, and the F-22's weapon bays are internal as well. So as I said, Su-47 is larger hence larger radar signature, F-22 is smaller, so a smaller radar signature.

[margav]

no, the us use ras, not RAm and most jets use outside wep bays

[Rezjah]

no, the us use ras, not RAm and most jets use outside wep bays

:laugh:

The F-22 uses RAM buddy click HERE (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-22-stealth.htm) for your proof and yes most jets use outside weapon bays, but we arent talking about "most jets" are we ;)

[margav]

Aright I give up on the race, but your General Jumper said that the f-22 finally got a real adversary. dont forget that we have ( the russians) 2 more 5th gen fighter developing, the MIG 1.44 and some other.

[Rezjah]

Aright I give up on the race, but your General Jumper said that the f-22 finally got a real adversary. dont forget that we have ( the russians) 2 more 5th gen fighter developing, the MIG 1.44 and some other.

Bring it on ;)

[margav]

Ok, But your General Jumper did say that the Su-47 is the best of the best and will be a adversary to the f22 which is in trouble from the Pentagon.

The missile is one of 3 types, and all the planes carry 30 mm guns.

Anyways Im not going to continue racing bout planes, but we ( Russia ) have 2 other 5th gen planes under development, one of them being MiG 1.44 but I forgot the other ones name.

[|D|-Max]

hey margav do you got some pics of the Su-47 :D

[margav]

ye


but they are easy to search
tag words are Su-47 S-47 Berkut

[imported_extremepilot]

LOL, look at this...
http://www.air-attack.com/MIL/_EXP/su47/berkut.jpg

[someone]

LOL, look at this...
http://www.air-attack.com/MIL/_EXP/su47/berkut.jpg


That is old. I used to use it as my wallpaper 3-4 years ago. Still good though.

[xW0LFx]

I really don't care what people say. We all know that america has more fighters in developement that havn't been released to the public. You MiG or you S-47 will not hinder any american air power in any modern war :|

[tjmhay]

holy crap, such inflated balls in this thread.

MY country has a space death ray in develoipment that'll f*** all your pathetic jets. :rolleyes:

It's kindof sad to think we're raised on the glorification of our military power and not oh lets say the nullification of the need for war? blood for oil anyone?

[D|sso]

The S-47 was never intended to enter mass production of any sort, nonetheless deploy weapons. It is simply an experimental aircraft demonstrating the capabilities of forward-swept wings, new avionics, FBW, and other such aspects. The Berkut is not stealth, and was never intended to be so.

I am very unbiased, and could go into page after page of explaining on topics like these, but I'll save you the trouble.

Anyway, in addition to the above, The Su-47 was never intended to counter the F-22, enter combat, or replace any aircraft. USA already put out the X-29, an seemingly identicle aircraft with a swing wing design which used many components from the F-18.

[margav]

I really don't care what people say. We all know that america has more fighters in developement that havn't been released to the public. You MiG or you S-47 will not hinder any american air power in any modern war :|

Aye, you know better than a US general?


holy crap, such inflated balls in this thread.

MY country has a space death ray in develoipment that'll f*** all your pathetic jets.

It's kindof sad to think we're raised on the glorification of our military power and not oh lets say the nullification of the need for war? blood for oil anyone?

mmm we never said what these weapons are used for, and mostly Russia just sells them off, and if you dont like all the perspects of war why play BF2? especially when it comes to MEC and USMC.. Its not the war im talking about, its the progress. Many of today developments are granted by the cost of war.

The S-47 was never intended to enter mass production of any sort, nonetheless deploy weapons. It is simply an experimental aircraft demonstrating the capabilities of forward-swept wings, new avionics, FBW, and other such aspects. The Berkut is not stealth, and was never intended to be so.

I am very unbiased, and could go into page after page of explaining on topics like these, but I'll save you the trouble.

Anyway, in addition to the above, The Su-47 was never intended to counter the F-22, enter combat, or replace any aircraft. USA already put out the X-29, an seemingly identicle aircraft with a swing wing design which used many components from the F-18.

That was before, now when its done most test, It would be produced in 2010-2014. And about it not intending to enter combat, It was being developped at cold war burning out in 1980... And it is stealth, go on Wiki and read a bit... There are numerous ways of being stealth.

[AlexIsUber]

please showckwave....that stealph wont save poor f22 from nothing....u still can see it on radar anyhow, su with cobra man. can dodge rockets. Even old mig-25 where able to detect the F 117.

anyways Russians own the skies no doubt about that one.

[Wrighty09]

looks like the U.S is going to have some competition:yay: :yay: :evil:

lol and it looks like the US could kick canadas a** anyday

[9thAF_Mako]

ok but you can not have a good fighter without a good pilot...and we all know that russia does not have many......wrighty told me to say that

[gx.]

good old american knowlage, first they think the m1a2 is better than the t-90 :rolleyes:. RAM is good, but with the new rader advances coming out it cant/ wont be able to stop all radar, I know hard to believe that us tech would ever go out of date :rolleyes:. anyway, for you people who think an m1a2 collom could take out a t-90 collom with that, infered sighting, t-90 has a gas type smokescreen that blocks it, then the m1a2 has to go to regular good old sights, but with the t-90 haveing about equal armor, and bigger gun thats rifled the m1a2 doesnt have much of a chance. Just goes to show Americans may theink they have the best stuff, but they really dont.

p.s. euro fighter pwns all. :D

[9thAF_Mako]

rader
euro fighter

learn how to spell and then talk trash. Its Eurofighter not euro fighter num nuts
and who said anything about tanks?

what the hell are you doing. you are from ohio...bastard

[gx.]

So sorry english isnt my first language but instead my 3rd...

[Wrighty09]

ok but you can not have a good fighter without a good pilot...and we all know that russia does not have many......wrighty told me to say that

lol wtf

[Rezjah]

please showckwave....that stealph wont save poor f22 from nothing....u still can see it on radar anyhow, su with cobra man. can dodge rockets. Even old mig-25 where able to detect the F 117.

anyways Russians own the skies no doubt about that one.

Did I say you couldn't see it on radar? no, I stated it has a smaller radar signature, which means an enemy would have to be specifically looking in an sector where the F-22 is or they have visually sighted it.

Yes, the Kulbit, Pugachev's Cobra etc is very cool and in a close up dogfight is something to be reckoned with, yet you have to understand that missiles do not have to actually hit the target to destroy them, they are proximity, and if the enemy does not know they are being locked on to, those manuevers won't be too helpful, will they?

[gx.]

learn how to spell and then talk trash. Its Eurofighter not euro fighter num nuts
and who said anything about tanks?

what the hell are you doing. you are from ohio...bastard

p.s. The tank thing was an example to how alot of Americans think their **** is the best in the world...

[Wrighty09]

p.s. The tank thing was an example to how alot of Americans think their **** is the best in the world...
It is the best lol.

America pwns

you should watch the military channel quite more often

[gx.]

I do, I also know alot about Russias, on acount I was in a military school in Russia, and in the U.S. Army now. I'm just saying your enemys (and friends) do have better tech. Let me put it in a gamers few oMg, that EuRo is NURFed andz pwnds tez f-22z

[AlexIsUber]

but tbh don't reallly matter....no1 can buy more than a dozen F 22 cuz they priced over the top.

[Alpha671]

I've played games like Ace Combat 5 and watched the Military Channel, but I think planes in the game should be like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK9gH3-PfFk&search=Ace%20Combat%20Falken

If ur too lazy to watch all of it, the ADF-01 known as Falken first appeared in Ace Combat 2, 3, 5 and Zero, it has high manueverability, internal guns and missiles, and a BUILT IN LASER!!

I'm kidding, i'm kidding, i don't want to add fuel to the fire of Jet Haters!

Su-47, my opinion: the next J-10. The Su-47 I've played in Ace Combat 5 and played against, it's manueverability is awesome. And no, i don't rely on that game soo much.

[RS-Rom]

Well this turned out nicely....

While we're flaming...

Considering how much money US puts into all its aviation forces, versus the Russians, I say the Russians aren't doing too bad.

Would love to see an F-15, 22 or even an F-35 pull off some of those moves.

[Wrighty09]

you rely on taht game soo much

[Alpha671]

Not really.

[Wrighty09]

It was a joke you nub

[Alpha671]

I know (it's just spamming :D ).

[gx.]

lets all hold hands as sing "why cant we be friends" while the us tech goes down in flames ;) now for me to get flamed :D

[Alpha671]

That song is getting annoying.

[MoB|GunnerDoop]

http://www.patricksaviation.com/videos/Tomcat%20101/793/

rape

[Wrighty09]

now i have that song stuck in my head.

[gunitsoldier127]

su-47 and j-xx( chinese new generation fighter jet still WIP) are all based on the american f-22, all have internal weapon bays, the design is a highly modefied f-22 to eatch countries own liking. the j-xx is due to another 15 years, and from the sketches i have seen up to now, its just another f-22 but alot more fancier.

[margav]

Berkut is based on su-37, just with more modern stuff and inverted wings, NO WAY NEAR f-22

[AlexIsUber]

Berkut is based on su-37, just with more modern stuff and inverted wings, NO WAY NEAR f-22

lol nice one :laugh:
ohh boy...stealph of f-22 must be unbeatable huh, such a roller cakes

Su would whhoop f-22.

[Venomous]

lol notice how long the runways are compared to bf2s **** forsaken 50 foot runways

[Ssgt-Markman]

on that su-37 wouldnt some of those super flank maneuvers make them an easy target to just gun down?

[Sir. Tasty]

it looks like a retarded bird..

[Alpha671]

on that su-37 wouldnt some of those super flank maneuvers make them an easy target to just gun down?

Those manuevers actually stopped dogfights from other aircraft. I've tried doing that in the game against expert pilots and all i had was a missile hit, ram, or no damage.

[Ssgt-Markman]

Those manuevers actually stopped dogfights from other aircraft. I've tried doing that in the game against expert pilots and all i had was a missile hit, ram, or no damage.

lol yea but in real life its different...a plane's machine gun only takes a few shots to mess you up

[[C22] yrethguad]

BF2 is just like real life.

[Alpha671]

No it isn't, he has a point. One bullet to a chopper from a plane will mess up a lot of systems inside the chopper.

[Flanker]

Those manuevers actually stopped dogfights from other aircraft. I've tried doing that in the game against expert pilots and all i had was a missile hit, ram, or no damage.

AFAIK, you can't be moving forwards while facing backwards in BF2, lol.

[margav]

Those manouvers like the standing cobra are menat to break the dogfight from behind you, dont forget in real life the jets go about realy fast and if the pilot behind you does not react fast enough you will be chasing him, instead of him chasing you.

[[C22] yrethguad]

...No it isn't...
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[Alpha671]

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